Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[Nintex]

"contemporary fashion trends" for the big tech workers living in tents in California maybe

[SmokyDave]

As long as I’m still able to create a mob boss with basketball tits and fishnets, I have no issue with Saints Row: Non-Binary Edition.

[Nintex]

As long as I’m still able to create a mob boss with basketball tits and fishnets, I have no issue with Saints Row: Non-Binary Edition.

I wouldn't get your hopes up, they even removed the dildo sword

That said, if you’re a fan of a certain floppy purple melee weapon that can’t be described without this article falling foul of the Obscene Publications Act 1959, we’re afraid that hasn’t made the cut.

[Don Rumata]

Do they think anybody BUT old boomer SR fans is going to even buy the game though? Trying to cater to the zoomer crowd isn't exactly a new bold tactic.

[SmokyDave]

I wouldn't get your hopes up, they even removed the dildo sword

If they're neutering anything that could upset a twitter user, then it ain't for me.

I've already played SR3 and SR4 on just about every system they released on, I reckon I'll leave the new one to the young 'uns.

[Kurt Russell]

People hate the new Saints Row because they are bigots:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vgc-saint’s-row-reboot-is-dividing-fans-as-volition-says-it-‘won’t-back-down’.477774/page-5

Seeing how many people are this out of touch about contemporary fashion trends and what younger generations consider to be cool or stylish is definitely the funniest part about all of this. It never even occurred to me to comment on the main character's designs because to me they just looked like normal people.

Some real strong "old man yells at cloud" energy going on.

When I think about modern gaming and fashion trends I think in RE. That fucking YT dislike bar just appeared from nowhere, those fucking boomers.

Reeeee Claiming that it's incels/le alt right/Gamergate Returns downvoting because there are POC in the trailer is spectacularly missing the point. I'd imagine most people hate it because it sounds like absolute horseshit and is overly relatable to a small % of gamers and an even smaller % of its core audience.

The studio made it a point to bring Saints Row back to the contemporary crime genre it grew and thrived in. The team wanted to create relatable, modern characters who face similar obstacles to today’s young adults, like overwhelming student loan debt or being denied work in their desired field.

 

See?

It'd be like taking Duke Nukem and rebooting him as a woke warrior. Most people would hate it because it's not a Duke Nukem game anymore, not because he suddenly developed a social conscience.

[SmokyDave]

Everybody loved Pierce. The idea that Saint's Row fans can't handle diversity is laughable. Still, if you only have a hammer etc..

The difference between Pierce and these new cats is that I'm certain I could beat the new characters to death with my bare hands, and never break a sweat. I do not wish to lead a gang like that.

*that's not to say Pierce is the sum total of diversity in Saint's Row, the games were inclusive as fuck. Pierce just stands out because he was a hilarious main character.

[BIONIC]

You ain’t slick, fellas

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vgc-saint’s-row-reboot-is-dividing-fans-as-volition-says-it-‘won’t-back-down’.477774/page-8#post-72172875

Things like this "looks too focus tested" or "Designed by an algorithm" really read to me as people complaining about it being an SJW game without saying those words because they know it'll get them actioned.
I have seen those exact kind of phrasings used in KIA style communities.


You can look at the twitter replies that Volition/Saintsrow are getting to see where a lot of this motivation actually comes from.

[Mostima]

Too be honest, I'm not sure how to describe the new Saints Row cast besides "SJW". You have the guy with the quirky 8bit helmet making emoji faces, some Urkel dork, and the usual stoic, no-nonsense ethnic mary-sue that tries way too hard to make you think she's badass. They just come off as super obnoxious and predictable caricatures, like they're written by the type of 30 year old who brags about how big their Twitter blocklist is.

[Uncle]

New Mission: "Encourage" the CEO of Twooter to ban president Drempf

New Mission: Destroy the rival gang who misgendered you

New Mission: Burn down the bookstore that still sells hateful Dr. Soyss books

[Pissy F Benny]

they'll probably have you doing missions for the soy-i-a

[Nintex]

New Mission: "Encourage" the CEO of Twooter to ban president Drempf

New Mission: Destroy the rival gang who misgendered you

New Mission: Burn down the bookstore that still sells hateful Dr. Soyss books

"THE TONE!!!"

[Kurt Russell]

Immense soy energy at 1:05.

If they wanted to be really progressive, they'd give us a furry, a taliban and a nonce. Cowards.

[SmokyDave]

'Hey! I'm Bryce Charles, and I'm definitely not being posted front and centre because the rest of the video is a bunch of reddit-looking white dudes....'

[Don Rumata]

It'd be like taking Duke Nukem and rebooting him as a woke warrior. Most people would hate it because it's not a Duke Nukem game anymore, not because he suddenly developed a social conscience.

Not quite, but...
https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/647904-randy-pitchford-duke-nukem-3d-george-floyd-tragedy-tweets

Too be honest, I'm not sure how to describe the new Saints Row cast besides "SJW". You have the guy with the quirky 8bit helmet making emoji faces, some Urkel dork, and the usual stoic, no-nonsense ethnic mary-sue that tries way too hard to make you think she's badass. They just come off as super obnoxious and predictable caricatures, like they're written by the type of 30 year old who brags about how big their Twitter blocklist is.

As i said in the other thread, it's basically Watch Dogs characters.
They really nailed the "Ubisoft style" of faux (corporate friendly) counterculture.

[Kurt Russell]

As i said in the other thread, it's basically Watch Dogs characters.
They really nailed the "Ubisoft style" of faux (corporate friendly) counterculture.

I really enjoyed Watch Dogs OG despite the ridiculous cliche of Aiden. By the time Watch Dogs 2 rolled around, I felt like I had a decent time in the game, all the while tolerating the narrative and characters. I think my time is worth more than the effort of playing Watch Dogs: Legion. It'd not who the characters represent, it's the ham-fisted and cringe implementation. Give me a team that doesn't read like a diversity checklist just once please.

[M]

That Saints Row game looks fucking horrid. It is ironic the constant strive for diversity is making every game look the same. That game looks like Watch Dogs. It looks so dull and grounded. If they wanted diversity, they could have done so in an absolute ridiculous fashion as they always do with the series. Some eccentric gays and trans people. Why does every game make all gays and trans people pussies?

[Vertigo]

Who remembers that mission in SR the third where you go and steal a crate of 'ho's' at the docks

And then you have to decide whether to keep them or sell them to someone else.

I can only imagine how a mission like that would go down today if a place like reeee started the outrage train

 

[Propagandhim]

New Mission: "Encourage" the CEO of Twooter to ban president Drempf

New Mission: Destroy the rival gang who misgendered you

New Mission: Burn down the bookstore that still sells hateful Dr. Soyss books

(Image removed from quote.)

"THE TONE!!!"

Saints Row:  Apology Tour

[Boredfrom]

You ain’t slick, fellas

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vgc-saint’s-row-reboot-is-dividing-fans-as-volition-says-it-‘won’t-back-down’.477774/page-8#post-72172875

Things like this "looks too focus tested" or "Designed by an algorithm" really read to me as people complaining about it being an SJW game without saying those words because they know it'll get them actioned.
I have seen those exact kind of phrasings used in KIA style communities.


You can look at the twitter replies that Volition/Saintsrow are getting to see where a lot of this motivation actually comes from.

Because Corporate social pandering is totally not a thing. Disney just doesn’t announce their first gay character every three months just to get free press.

Is my fault that the trailer didn’t make clear you still make your own main character because focusing to much in the female template character.

[Snoopycat_]

I just pray none of them are Colombian

[Vertigo]

My god it's even worst than I thought after watching that video. Anything that was Saints Row has been stripped out for a safe and sanitised game.

Those four characters look absolutely shite. I saw some asshats on reeeee getting angry that people were saying the characters look like they fell in from Fortnite and they do. It's like laser focused almost AI created characters.

I wonder how freaky they'll let you make the main character? But the others are the sort of safe design I was fearing.

And the story; a criminal startup? get the fuck outta here.

The sad irony here is they'll do all this work and the people they're aiming this game at currently won't give a fuck come release day and the old fans won't recognise what this game is trying to do and will also give it a pass.

[Boredfrom]

As i said in the other thread, it's basically Watch Dogs characters.
They really nailed the "Ubisoft style" of faux (corporate friendly) counterculture.

I really enjoyed Watch Dogs OG despite the ridiculous cliche of Aiden. By the time Watch Dogs 2 rolled around, I felt like I had a decent time in the game, all the while tolerating the narrative and characters. I think my time is worth more than the effort of playing Watch Dogs: Legion. It'd not who the characters represent, it's the ham-fisted and cringe implementation. Give me a team that doesn't read like a diversity checklist just once please.

Really? I think the ham fisted social commentary is kind of self aware. Because the main villain in Legion ends being

spoiler (click to show/hide)

your “woke“ handler that betrayed everyone because she is actually blackpilled and ends not being better or deep than a 4chan troll stereotype.

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Is also hilarious if you end the campaign with a Granny and a female Hooligan characters. I hear you that the slacktivism is insufferable early on but you start to get this game is way less serious as you progress.

Watch Dogs 2 was more “sincere” in the corporate approved counterculture but also feel like taking the piss of it at times (the Jim Sterling esque figure was a little prophetic).

Watch Dogs 1 was the only one that ended take itself seriously all the way until the end.

[tiesto]

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[Don Rumata]

Is the cockney voice coming back, or is that offensive? 
If they don't have the cockney voice don't even bother releasing the game, tbqh.

[SmokyDave]

Is the cockney voice coming back, or is that offensive? 
If they don't have the cockney voice don't even bother releasing the game, tbqh.

You can move on. I had to gather all my strength to play Saint’s Row 4 when they ditched my lovely Russian boss’ voice and left me with some bland substitute that I can’t remember. It hurt, and the pain has never truly left me, but I made it through.

[Kurt Russell]

Is the cockney voice coming back, or is that offensive? 
If they don't have the cockney voice don't even bother releasing the game, tbqh.

My man!

”Oi! Take that you wanker!"

It's how I imagine Smokydave talks to his family.

[SmokyDave]

It's how I imagine Smokydave talks to his family.

Truthfully, in my tight loving family we talk to each other in ways that would necessitate large quantities of smelling salts for those cats. I once threatened to punch my missus in the vagina in front of some GAF cats, and I’d die for my woman. I say shit to my mum that a shock jock would blush at. It’s all about the person and intent behind the words when you’re offline, and round here it’s all love.

You’d never get that from a transcript though 

Edit: also, I’m not cockney. Listen to some Skinnyman and some Jake Bugg, mix up their accents and you’ve got mine. Messy Midlands.

[Pissy F Benny]

i always ended up basically making billy idol in every saints row

[Nintex]

It's very weird to read all this about tone and homophobia etc. when they released the remaster not so long ago.
That also made people think they weren't infected with the woke virus.

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[Potato]

New Mission: "Encourage" the CEO of Twooter to ban president Drempf

New Mission: Destroy the rival gang who misgendered you

New Mission: Burn down the bookstore that still sells hateful Dr. Soyss books

(Image removed from quote.)

"THE TONE!!!"

This is going to be the most bland, humourless, corporate-approved diversity bullshit ever. Reeeeesetera will eat it up and then wonder why no one else bought it. Of course they will instantly blame "the alt-right Gamergate trolls" for this.

[HaughtyFrank]

Dropping dildo weapons tells you enough that they don't actually get generation Z. They're horny fuckers who either have or sub to onlyfans

[Uncle]

dropping dildo weapons is so that in 1 month they can say "we hear you, here is $10 DLC for dildo weapons" so they can make money while reassuring their fanbase that they understand they fucked up and are trying to do better

[Crumb]

The good ol DOA strat

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vgc-saints-row-reboot-is-dividing-fans-as-volition-says-it-‘won’t-back-down’.477774/page-17#post-72205251

For me its not that they don't look like gang members, they just don't look tough.

But if the idea is they grow into badasses who take over the city then that's fine.

"Looking tough"

When Zuckerberg is literally overthrowing countries

[Nintex]

To all the Saints,

We thank you for your support of Saints Row: Self Made. Unfortunately mistakes happen and we are very sorry that the product we shipped did not live up to players expectations. We've been listening to your feedback and if you run into any trouble be sure to contact us as we are still gathering valuabe information from our global player community. It is our belief that we can bridge the divide between those that have just started to experience what Saints Row is all about and the original fans that are still out there anxiously waiting for the right time to head back to the row!

Saints Row: Self Made will receive a number of updates starting March 10th to ensure a more smooth gameplay experience, especially for those fans playing on PlayStation 4 and Xbox One.
Once the game is more stable across all platforms players can expect a comprehensive roadmap to reintroduce many fan favorite features such as character creation and car tuning.
Rest assured that we have just started on this journey to make the Row more accessible to veteran and new players alike.

The Pink 'you know what' is on us! Download it now as free DLC.

[BadAss2961]

Just caught wind of the Saints Row reveal earlier. "CTRL+F watchd", yep... I can't help but check out of these games with colorful TikTok nerds as gangsters. This is the kind of thing where Rockstar is yet to fuck up.

Saints 1 and 2 are classics, but it's downhill from there. Series went from being a legit GTA clone with just enough of it's own flavor, all the way down to chasing Ubisoft.

[Transhuman]

This new game looks dumb but I though all the others looked dumb, too, so it's hard for me to care.

[ShutUp]

Yeah, that reveal video is lifeless. Interviewing the employees at Volition to talk about it? Really? I shudder to think what the humor put in the game will be like.

And this picture



“We demand to be taken seriously”

[ShutUp]

New Mission: "Encourage" the CEO of Twooter to ban president Drempf

New Mission: Destroy the rival gang who misgendered you

New Mission: Burn down the bookstore that still sells hateful Dr. Soyss books

(Image removed from quote.)

"THE TONE!!!"

Yeah, this is going to be littered with commentary scolding you for enjoying the past games and wanting more of that. Can’t wait. Not that the past games were the high marks of comedy by any means but the games got increasingly ridiculous and absurd and just rolled with it, resulting in some fun ass games.

[BadAss2961]

Yeah, that reveal video is lifeless. Interviewing the employees at Volition to talk about it? Really? I shudder to think what the humor put in the game will be like.

And this picture

(Image removed from quote.)

“We demand to be taken seriously”

They look more like avatars of people who'd ban you from REE than anyone you might actually encounter on the street.

NepNep and Slayven in the middle.

[remy]

If they wanted to be really progressive, they'd give us a furry, a taliban and a nonce. Cowards.

Isn't that just Drakengard?

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vgc-saints-row-reboot-is-dividing-fans-as-volition-says-it-‘won’t-back-down’.477774/page-19#post-72217896

Weird ass focus group they picked for the character design.. these characters look like they are Tik tokers. I was a big fan of previous saint row games but this doesn’t scream saint row to me. It needs to represent gangs better and crime. This looks like fortnite to me.

How does one look like they are in a gang and do crime?

I am going to keep asking until i get an answer

———

Bonus:

I'm technically in a gang and I look more like these people than whatever stereotypes folks are throwing around

I’d die happy if I ever see what a gang of rees looks like 

[BisMarckie]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/7b7k4g/here-are-some-more-photos-of-disneylands-awkward-gangs

[BadAss2961]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vgc-saints-row-reboot-is-dividing-fans-as-volition-says-it-%E2%80%98won%E2%80%99t-back-down%E2%80%99.477774/page-15#post-72201132

Love that every slight built black man with glasses is always Urkel.

That doesn't have any subtext at all.

Four eyed skinny black nerd in highwaters and a bow tie reminds people of Urkel.

#racism

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vgc-saints-row-reboot-is-dividing-fans-as-volition-says-it-%E2%80%98won%E2%80%99t-back-down%E2%80%99.477774/page-15#post-72201132

Love that every slight built black man with glasses is always Urkel.

That doesn't have any subtext at all.

Four eyed skinny black nerd in highwaters and a bow tie reminds people of Urkel.

#racism

The character wears a fucking bowtie    yes it's urkel. The designer probably had a picture of him up

[Switters]

Disco ended when a stadium full of people burned a pile of records to ash. Dubstep ended when SR4 made it a gun.

[HaughtyFrank]

 

Nintendo OT doesn't care about trans rights and Palestine anymore

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-general-discussion-ot26-kafkas-dream-land-stop-asian-hate-please-read-op.473982/

 

[benjipwns]

All this chatter is exactly what they want. Meanwhile, I won't be buying Saints Row on EGS because I don't support developers who have had sexual abuse charges leveled against them by the state on EGS. Disappointed in ResetERA.com for allowing hype threads about a game so tainted with misogyny and sexism simply to "own the gamers."

[remy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vgc-saints-row-reboot-is-dividing-fans-as-volition-says-it-%E2%80%98won%E2%80%99t-back-down%E2%80%99.477774/page-15#post-72201132

Love that every slight built black man with glasses is always Urkel.

That doesn't have any subtext at all.

Four eyed skinny black nerd in highwaters and a bow tie reminds people of Urkel.

#racism

The character wears a fucking bowtie    yes it's urkel. The designer probably had a picture of him up

He's gonna blow someones head off with a shotgun and be like "Did I do that?" 

Reset posters will scramble

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ccp-just-passed-a-law-that-allow-them-the-right-to-retroactively-censor-hong-kong-films.476982/

Would appreciate if people posted news regarding Hong Kong factually. Specifically, these amendments are being introduced in the HK legislature to bring film censorship in line with the National Security Law.

- These amendments aren't being passed by the CCP in mainland China to override HK law (though it's safe to assume they're pulling the strings here)
- These laws are not passed yet, they're being introduced next week (though there's probably little doubt they'll pass)

You don't need to invoke the CCP in everything to give the connotation that it's bad. These amendments are bad, let them speak for themselves without stretching the facts.

No, it's not the CCP, it's the HK government, and no, the laws haven't passed yet. These are material differences between the thread title and the actual linked article. You're welcome to say in discussion that the HK government are cronies and puppets of the CCP, I don't dispute that.

I'm just pointing out the difference between fact and misinformation and that the thread title is misleading and factually wrong. But I don't how why I even bother, there's zero room for nuanced discussion on topics like this here.

Because most in here are basically "Fuck China" everytime they see the CCP acronym mentioned.

I'm sorry for wishing news would be put forth as-is per the facts rather than with a personal bias attached. I can see people aren't willing to do that when it comes to certain news though. I'm out.

Fuck China

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hong-kong-proposes-wider-censorship-powers-to-ban-old-films-under-chinas-national-security-law.476982/

OFFICIAL STAFF COMMUNICATION
The source in the OP has been updated as the Tweet wasn't wholly accurate and the article it linked was paywalled. The title has also been updated to use the one in the new article. Please make sure your sources are accessible and aren't filtered through social media. These are serious topics that deserve good sourcing.

As usual it's fine to criticize the government of any country but remember not to conflate the CCP and the people of China.

"Fuck China/CCP" is a frequent driveby that may be cathartic considering many of the Chinese government's actions. However, please keep in mind that it has also been weaponized by some against Asians in a racist and discriminatory manner. It's always best to express yourself in detail and, where possible, with nuance.

Do not let your anger and frustration from the news affect how you interact with each other here.

Wait, which is it? Don't conflate the CCP and China, or holding "Fuck China/CCP" as equal infractions? Because in previous threads posters have been asked to keep their critiques of the CCP specific, rather than generalizing China, and everyone in this thread has obliged. Literally, if you Ctrl+F "fuck china" in this thread, you only find results from posters worrying someone might say "fuck china", rather than anyone actually doing so.

Such a wonderful and reasoned response! I asked where any inflammatory "fuck China posts" were in this thread, and instead of being able to clarify what you meant you had to use inflammatory language against me. And then, when I reported this, you as a mod (or your mod pals) decided to retaliate against me by issuing a warning as opposed to taking criticism against staff here seriously. Well done. I'm sure I'll get a warning for this as well, but I really don't give a shit.

Don't expect to receive a response on this. This is exactly what I was asking, but the mod cannot take any questioning without getting angry. Let's see how long it takes for this thread to be locked, or this message deleted, or something along that nature.

Frankly, I feel that the derailment in these threads over this subject teeters on attempts to silence dissatisfaction with the CCP by accusing others of Sinophobia. Context is key here. As long as people aren't being straight up racist in their comments, the snide comments trying to split hairs and insulting other members (especially by mods) should be kept to a minimum.

Fuck China and Fuck The Mods

[Kevtones]

Every anti-kid thread over there rolls out with the tone of an incel board.

[Snoopycat_]

Today Ree is a galaxy brain military expert -

Honestly speaking, this sounds a little bit too convenient for me.

I have no doubt that U.S. has one of the best military forces and intelligence agencies in the world, but it is just very difficult for one to believe that such an almighty force is able to find the planner behind a terrorist attack, pinpoint their exact location, and organize a surgical retaliation, while operating in an enemy-occupied zone, merely hours after the said attack, yet could not neutralize the attacker and stop this terrorist attack with over 200 casualties in the very first place. Wonders do happen, but if there were a group of people orchestrating this, they are trying a little bit too hard.

Well. I guess it’s more likely that they just happen to know a scapegoat who is not very innocent themselves, and get rid of that target for the sake of swift vengeance. Better than nothing.
 

Would it be possible that the world's biggest military intelligence agency might have a file or two of known terrorists operating in that area? Or are they just a bunch of try hards hitting random targets for lulz and Twitter likes.


https://www.resetera.com/threads/u-s-airstrike-targets-islamic-state-in-afghanistan-in-retaliation-for-deadly-kabul-airport-attack-according-to-pentagon.478200/page-2#post-72221055

[NekoFever]

Someone should explain it using the analogy of tracking the actions, contacts and hugs of an alt-right YouTuber.

[benjipwns]

You can't trace who did an event that didn't happen.

[HaughtyFrank]

Fuck China and Fuck The Mods

User Banned (Permanent): Deliberately misconstruing staff action, sustained hostility towards staff across multiple posts and channels

Un fucking believable. And they permaban the guy who points out the obvious contradiction. On top of that they change the title like the CCP astroturfer suggested, even when he himself admits that the law will pass with no problem

[Propagandhim]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/vgc-saints-row-reboot-is-dividing-fans-as-volition-says-it-‘won’t-back-down’.477774/page-19#post-72217896

Weird ass focus group they picked for the character design.. these characters look like they are Tik tokers. I was a big fan of previous saint row games but this doesn’t scream saint row to me. It needs to represent gangs better and crime. This looks like fortnite to me.

How does one look like they are in a gang and do crime?

I am going to keep asking until i get an answer

———

Bonus:

I'm technically in a gang and I look more like these people than whatever stereotypes folks are throwing around

The Burger King Kids Club

[Don Rumata]

Must be nice being a gaming PR guy in this day and age.
Just set the narrative that X group hates your game because of the culture war, and you're set, the mob will do the work for you. 

[jorma]

Today Ree is a galaxy brain military expert -

Honestly speaking, this sounds a little bit too convenient for me.

I have no doubt that U.S. has one of the best military forces and intelligence agencies in the world, but it is just very difficult for one to believe that such an almighty force is able to find the planner behind a terrorist attack, pinpoint their exact location, and organize a surgical retaliation, while operating in an enemy-occupied zone, merely hours after the said attack, yet could not neutralize the attacker and stop this terrorist attack with over 200 casualties in the very first place. Wonders do happen, but if there were a group of people orchestrating this, they are trying a little bit too hard.

Well. I guess it’s more likely that they just happen to know a scapegoat who is not very innocent themselves, and get rid of that target for the sake of swift vengeance. Better than nothing.
 

Would it be possible that the world's biggest military intelligence agency might have a file or two of known terrorists operating in that area? Or are they just a bunch of try hards hitting random targets for lulz and Twitter likes.


https://www.resetera.com/threads/u-s-airstrike-targets-islamic-state-in-afghanistan-in-retaliation-for-deadly-kabul-airport-attack-according-to-pentagon.478200/page-2#post-72221055

Meh, it seems pretty obvious that they lashed out at the nearest convenient target and then called it a retaliation against isis regardless of the truth. I mean sure it might have been a strike against ISIS but it's not like we'll ever know.

And yes, they are for sure hitting targets for lulz and twitter likes.

[HaughtyFrank]

Must be nice being a gaming PR guy in this day and age.
Just set the narrative that X group hates your game because of the culture war, and you're set, the mob will do the work for you. 

It's great to claim "we won't back down" when the game is planned to release in a few months. Yeah no shit. They already made their bed