It's amazing how GTAIV has been forgotten to time

[Himu]

No one cares about it. No one talks about it. When people refer to old GTA they talk about the III trilogy or V. 

[Pissy F Benny]

I was chatting to someone about the bullshit jump in the last mission the other week

But yeah for a game that had nuclear hype when it came out it’s been kinda forgotten, probably cos of rdr1 doing the same thing but way better

[Himu]

I was chatting to someone about the bullshit jump in the last mission the other week

lmao the final mission is horrendous

btw gay tony and tlad are great. get those if you want gta4 but good.

[Trent Dole]

V has existed across two gens and was the first with multi shit so it's going to be talked up a lot. I guess IV was just an awkward in between game?

[Nintex]

Ring ring

Nico my cousin lets look at some titties

[pilonv1]

My favourite part was how they took out anything that was fun

[The Sceneman]

My favourite part was how they took out anything that was fun

Yep. I was playing Saint's Row 2 and laughing my friggin ass off iirc

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

two things about GTA4:

1) they deliberately made all of the regular car handling for shit because a designer wanted to make the top end cars "feel better" so the driving for most of the game is - by design - unfun

2) all of the 10/10s the game got were because they flew all the journos out to a fancy hotel and plied them with food and drink and they reviewed it based on something like 4 hours of playtime, all supervised by PR handlers

probably the single most overrated game ever released. Even something like bioshock infinite you can have a conversation about what it did that was at least interesting.

[paprikastaude]

two things about GTA4:

1) they deliberately made all of the regular car handling for shit because a designer wanted to make the top end cars "feel better" so the driving for most of the game is - by design - unfun

2) all of the 10/10s the game got were because they flew all the journos out to a fancy hotel and plied them with food and drink and they reviewed it based on something like 4 hours of playtime, all supervised by PR handlers

probably the single most overrated game ever released. Even something like bioshock infinite you can have a conversation about what it did that was at least interesting.

And what did game reviewers learn from it? Nothing

[Cheddahz]

I started playing it again last year on my Xbox One and I think it's just more fun that GTAV; I'm a fan of what Rockstar was attempting to do with it and I dig the plot for it as well

[Great Rumbler]

Remember

OSCAR-CALIBER WRITING

?

[Himu]

My favourite part was how they took out anything that was fun

Yep. I was playing Saint's Row 2 and laughing my friggin ass off iirc

even SR1 is better than gta4

[Mr Gilhaney]

i wish i had forgotten it

[BisMarckie]

GTA IV is fine. The backlash it received is just a reaction to the amount of critical praise it got. Nobody would be trashing the game if it would have received 8s and 9s like it deserved.

slightly related: I completely missed that there is a physical release of the xbox 360 upres of GTA San Andreas that is backwards compatible.

Bought it immediately on ebay. 

[Himu]

GTA IV is fine. The backlash it received is just a reaction to the amount of critical praise it got. Nobody would be trashing the game if it would have received 8s and 9s like it deserved.

/doubt

[Positive Touch]

i dunno, i've seen more and more people in their 20s saying it was a pretty good game

i'll always think it's some bullshit though. i try to look at games more positively now, but god damn this game is so limited in what is offered that it's just a fucking drag to play. it's that era of gaming where they went up their own asses trying to be cinematic but didn't bother to hire real scriptwriters or cutscene directors - the WORST era of gaming.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

people in their 20s think the star wars prequels were unironically good films

[thetylerrob]

III and Vice City are also borderline unplayable today. So it's really not that weird. Those dudes that say IV is still good are just the new version of people that think 3 and VC are still good.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

VC holds up for the ａｅｓｔｈｅｔｉｃ but fuck that remote control helicopter mission on PC

[thisismyusername]

----

More seriously: None of this tech shit is needed. Euphoria was cool and all, but it's clear it was a lot of work for Rockstar to where they dumped it after 4 (and Red Dead, IIRC?).

The only good thing I could say about 4 is the multiplayer had various modes and segmented them off AND DIDN'T TAKE FIVE GODDAMN MINUTES TO LOAD (esp. on PC) every death or into a round unlike 5. Otherwise I vastly prefer Liberty City Stories (3 with motorcycle), Vice City, and San Andreas to it. Cars didn't drive like boats, varied missions, etc.

The thing is, the Renderware era games (3-SA) aged like shit in terms of controls. As much as people mod multiplayer in, I wish they'd fix the jank controls of those.

[Himu]

III and Vice City are also borderline unplayable today. So it's really not that weird. Those dudes that say IV is still good are just the new version of people that think 3 and VC are still good.

what doesn't hold up about them? How does SA hold up but III and VC don't?

[Himu]

The thing is, the Renderware era games (3-SA) aged like shit in terms of controls.

play with KBM.

[Positive Touch]

all young people that claim old games are unplayable because of less fluid controls or save points or whatever need to be sent to the coal mines. fuckin scrubs


also i remembered something else that annoyed me in the game: they give you so much money, and then there's nothing to spend it on but a few guns, some tracksuits, and the minigames. no gambling, no car customization, no gun customization, no house decorations, nothing. there really was fuck all to do in that game but tailing cars and auto target combat.

[thisismyusername]

The thing is, the Renderware era games (3-SA) aged like shit in terms of controls.

play with KBM.

Nah, I played the X-box ports originally. So X-box controller is muscle memory. The aiming back then sucked shit.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

[Cheddahz]

people in their 20s think the star wars prequels were unironically good films

I feel attacked

[toku]

Best GTA after 3 and Vice City. Best driving model/car system. 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I feel attacked

[Positive Touch]

Best GTA after 3 and Vice City. Best driving model/car system. 

not like this, toku. not like this.

[tiesto]

Even the electronic music station (something that's usually strong in the GTA series) was a disappointment. You get the legendary Francois Kevorkian on board and the best you can do is mid-2000s bloghouse?

[porkbun]

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[Nintex]

GTAIV was pretty awesome but mileage varied depending on your platform.
It ran like shit on Xbox 360 but on PC it could be photo realistic at times when you took a cab through busy streets on a rainy night.
That generation still showed the big gap between PC's and consoles.

It was a different time too, there weren't that many open world games so the GTA games were always welcome sandboxes to play around in.
So yeah, fond memories of this game. Not as ground breaking as 3, immersive as VC or stacked with features like SA but a great title on PC.
The expansions were decent too, especially The Ballad of Gay Tony.

Kinda weird that these games likely won't be remastered or recreated ever considering their technical background.
You'd have to pretty much rebuild them from the ground up. GTA games were always way ahead of everything else in the market when it came to making a video game world feel alive.

All hail the Benz 

[porkbun]

The thing is, the Renderware era games (3-SA) aged like shit in terms of controls.

play with KBM.

Nah, I played the X-box ports originally. So X-box controller is muscle memory. The aiming back then sucked shit.

I like the Xbox versions because you can use your MP3s as a station (especially on SA, where commercials/DJ banter would be put in every couple of songs) but the controls on there weren't as good as other versions, especially for drive-bys.

Even the electronic music station (something that's usually strong in the GTA series) was a disappointment. You get the legendary Francois Kevorkian on board and the best you can do is mid-2000s bloghouse?

No metal station was a big disappointment for me, but that was rectified on Episodes, with the awesome station hosted by Max Cavalera.  Never thought I would officially hear Terrorizer, Entombed, Deicide, etc songs in a game.

[Himu]

The thing is, the Renderware era games (3-SA) aged like shit in terms of controls.

play with KBM.

Nah, I played the X-box ports originally. So X-box controller is muscle memory. The aiming back then sucked shit.

So there are superior versions and you refuse to play them. Gotcha.

[Pissy F Benny]

[HardcoreRetro]

I still boot it up once in a while cause I enjoy it as a tech showcase.

I also enjoy it for the unlocked framerate. Xbox Series X'll probably push it to a locked 60. On the One X it does 40 to 60 it seems like.

[thisismyusername]

The thing is, the Renderware era games (3-SA) aged like shit in terms of controls.

play with KBM.

Nah, I played the X-box ports originally. So X-box controller is muscle memory. The aiming back then sucked shit.

So there are superior versions and you refuse to play them. Gotcha.

Does the mouse really fix the terrible camera/aiming system, though?

[paprikastaude]

It gave us Chinatown Wars So the superior setting to V was not completely wasted.

[Cerveza mas fina]

You guys play these games for gameplay?

I just ride around and listen to music

[benjipwns]

[Great Rumbler]

[Himu]

The thing is, the Renderware era games (3-SA) aged like shit in terms of controls.

play with KBM.

Nah, I played the X-box ports originally. So X-box controller is muscle memory. The aiming back then sucked shit.

So there are superior versions and you refuse to play them. Gotcha.

Does the mouse really fix the terrible camera/aiming system, though?

I said literally kbm. On pc you do not lock on. You just shoot like an fps or tps.

[mormapope]

A game so forgettable that many people poured into this thread to hate on it 

You can call GTA IV shitty, but it isn't forgettable. I think something gamers should do a lot more often is instead of propping up personal negative feelings like they're meaningful analysis and criticism, and instead ask....why do people enjoy this game?

[Positive Touch]

I'll never forget the shitty time i had with it

[mormapope]

2008 was also the year that gave us Far Cry 2. Which is probably one of the best misery Sims to this day.

[thetylerrob]

The thing is, the Renderware era games (3-SA) aged like shit in terms of controls.

play with KBM.

Nah, I played the X-box ports originally. So X-box controller is muscle memory. The aiming back then sucked shit.

So there are superior versions and you refuse to play them. Gotcha.

Does the mouse really fix the terrible camera/aiming system, though?

I said literally kbm. On pc you do not lock on. You just shoot like an fps or tps.

Doesn't kbm use keyboard for camera controls still? No free camera movement while driving?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

PC games in third person don't have 'camera control' buttons, there's a mouse

[Himu]

The thing is, the Renderware era games (3-SA) aged like shit in terms of controls.

play with KBM.

Nah, I played the X-box ports originally. So X-box controller is muscle memory. The aiming back then sucked shit.

So there are superior versions and you refuse to play them. Gotcha.

Does the mouse really fix the terrible camera/aiming system, though?

I said literally kbm. On pc you do not lock on. You just shoot like an fps or tps.

Doesn't kbm use keyboard for camera controls still? No free camera movement while driving?

Mouse.

[Himu]

A game so forgettable that many people poured into this thread to hate on it 

You can call GTA IV shitty, but it isn't forgettable. I think something gamers should do a lot more often is instead of propping up personal negative feelings like they're meaningful analysis and criticism, and instead ask....why do people enjoy this game?

People are talking about it because it's pertinent to thread discussion.

[mormapope]

A game so forgettable that many people poured into this thread to hate on it 

You can call GTA IV shitty, but it isn't forgettable. I think something gamers should do a lot more often is instead of propping up personal negative feelings like they're meaningful analysis and criticism, and instead ask....why do people enjoy this game?

People are talking about it because it's pertinent to thread discussion.

It's good to see you've become the ultimate GTA gatekeeper and have taken in all internets into your mind, to conclude that yes, GTA IV is forgettable. Based on evidence that is definitely not anecdotal or subjective. 

How do you measure "forgettable"? Is it based on shitty resetera threads or is it based on reddit posts? 4chan posts?

I'd argue truly forgettable games are probably mobile or indie games that two people globally have downloaded, not a game that sold millions of copies.

[thetylerrob]

PC games in third person don't have 'camera control' buttons, there's a mouse

Uh yeah except for GTA Vice City and 3 which iirc used camera control buttons and controlled like dog shit.

https://gtaforums.com/topic/896122-classic-axis-visual-camera-improvements/

I'm on my work PC right now but I'm pretty sure free camera has to be modded in.

[The Sceneman]

Remember

OSCAR-CALIBER WRITING

?

INTERACTIVE MARTIN SCORCESE MOVIE

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

PC games in third person don't have 'camera control' buttons, there's a mouse

Uh yeah except for GTA Vice City and 3 which iirc used camera control buttons and controlled like dog shit.

https://gtaforums.com/topic/896122-classic-axis-visual-camera-improvements/

I'm on my work PC right now but I'm pretty sure free camera has to be modded in.

Isn't that mod for 'character mode' free camera, not vehicles? Hence the need for a lock on, as you're no longer aiming where the camera is pointing at all times?

[thetylerrob]

PC games in third person don't have 'camera control' buttons, there's a mouse

Uh yeah except for GTA Vice City and 3 which iirc used camera control buttons and controlled like dog shit.

https://gtaforums.com/topic/896122-classic-axis-visual-camera-improvements/

I'm on my work PC right now but I'm pretty sure free camera has to be modded in.

Isn't that mod for 'character mode' free camera, not vehicles? Hence the need for a lock on, as you're no longer aiming where the camera is pointing at all times?

This mod also adds the ability to control the camera with your mouse while driving, SA was the first one to have that feature on PC. Playing 3 and VC feels so jank on a pc.

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Lmao using the numpad while driving.

[EchoRin]

GTA4 in the very moment it was released was pretty wild. It was a bit of a holy shit moment. I can see why it was getting praised left and right. It wasn't until a year later that the "next gen GTA" polish wore off and the flaws became more clear. Next gen on the surface, but not nearly as fleshed out as San Andreas in terms of actual meat. Loading of clothing in GTA4 was insane. I don't know if the situation was the same for PS2 and OG Xbox the gen before in GTA3 - SA as I played the series on PC up to that point, but I pretty much barely messed with my appearance cause it just took forever for the assets to load in on the 360. Not that that is actually the end of the world. Just something that stuck out.

Still, I ended up doing a second playthrough a few years later. GTA5 I simply went through once and never touched it again after the credits. Probably just don't care much for these less arcadey versions of GTA as much. Which isn't me actually saying "game sux lolz". You play through a whole GTA you probably still enjoyed it unless you're one of those people who plays 600 hours of Diablo 1/2/3 and then writes a review "and after all this time it's a 5 out of 10." I'm not one of those kind of people.

edit: Oh and yeah I'm one of those freaks who completed Zero's toy plane missions in SA with a keyboard. It was obtuse to say the least. Pretty sure I only did it on my first playthorugh and never bothered on follow up playthorughs.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

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Lmao using the numpad while driving.

Oh, right, yeah.
That's why the remote control helicopter mission on PC is a fucking mess, because it used those along with WASD and also along with the mouse, ie was a nightmare.

Regular driving was fine in 3 and VC on PC - fine enough that that was the platform I played through them on.

[EchoRin]

You guys play these games for gameplay?

I just ride around and listen to music

Flashing Lights and driving in the evening 

Driving around while listening to the electronica station 

GTA4 introduced me to this so I'm grateful for that:


Hell even if someone straight up disliked the whole concept of GTA for any reason, they still have licensed soundtracks that are super educational.

[BlueTsunami]

San Andreas is still the best. Even though it's fugly as fuck it hits a sweet spot as far as world scope and Rockstar charm. IV just felt sterile.

[Himu]

GTA4 in the very moment it was released was pretty wild. It was a bit of a holy shit moment. I can see why it was getting praised left and right. It wasn't until a year later that the "next gen GTA" polish wore off and the flaws became more clear.

We were backlashing against it a month after release. Saints Row 2 had an entire ad that slam dunked on it and called it boring. This was mere weeks after it came out.



This youtube was uploaded June 2008. Mere months after GTAIV was released. GTAIV's backlash was very swift and very brutal.

[Himu]

A game so forgettable that many people poured into this thread to hate on it 

You can call GTA IV shitty, but it isn't forgettable. I think something gamers should do a lot more often is instead of propping up personal negative feelings like they're meaningful analysis and criticism, and instead ask....why do people enjoy this game?

People are talking about it because it's pertinent to thread discussion.

It's good to see you've become the ultimate GTA gatekeeper and have taken in all internets into your mind, to conclude that yes, GTA IV is forgettable. Based on evidence that is definitely not anecdotal or subjective. 

How do you measure "forgettable"? Is it based on shitty resetera threads or is it based on reddit posts? 4chan posts?

I'd argue truly forgettable games are probably mobile or indie games that two people globally have downloaded, not a game that sold millions of copies.

Just because I have given my opinion doesn't make me gatekeeper. I even love Gay Tony and particularly TLAD. Nice try. Stop being in your feelings.