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this was the most worthless discussion possible on this topic; good job all

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Re: Let's just get out there and say it: Trump has finally gone full ******
« Reply #121 on: July 23, 2020, 11:54:06 PM »
Also the fascism thing is kinda sterile and academic. I get the impulse to be a pedant but can we all agree democratic checks and balance (among other things) eroded significantly under Trump ?

This topic tends towards inanity by virtue of the fact that it treats fascism as something begotten, not made, which is to say only reproducing itself in a like manner. Analyzing past fascist movements is instructive, but ignoring their developments since then is frankly not very dialectical. (This of course excludes the people who use such discussions to show off their latest strawmen for sale.) Consequently the definitions that get bandied about either come to resemble an amorphous blob (if evolutions are contemplated) or are hopelessly out of date.


My very rough way of thinking about it inspired mostly by reading Paxton is that there are the classical fascist states (Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy) who are clearly closely linked in the course of their development and how they were structured, are borne out of specific historical circumstances, and are far more similar to each other than any other historical example, and an attitudinal fascism embodied in thin blue line bumper stickers, MAGA hats, and immigrant bashing which can be found where ever your local petite-bourgeiosie congregate. 

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Re: Let's just get out there and say it: Trump has finally gone full ******
« Reply #122 on: July 24, 2020, 12:13:04 AM »
late to the party on this one but critical support to comrade kara for coming out of occultation to smack benji for trying to smuggle in a nolan chart analysis when ostensibly just calling balls and strikes (mandark chipped in too) and also bismarckie, whose deutschchauvinismus has always been more annoying than anything any dutchman’s posted on this board. rip in power until next time the tax code comes up, breh(Image removed from quote.)

Just where does that animosity come from?

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Re: Let's just get out there and say it: Trump has finally gone full ******
« Reply #123 on: July 24, 2020, 12:21:11 AM »
From an outsider perspective: the whole country is a mess (which one isn't at this point in time) and it involves every party. Trump is the easy scapegoat because the guy can barely function on key moments.

And the alternative is a man that sniffs people like they're flowers.

edit: at this point I believe you're just voting to put the person who's gonna act like a fool on TV while shit keeps hitting the fan.

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Re: Let's just get out there and say it: Trump has finally gone full ******
« Reply #124 on: July 24, 2020, 12:59:13 AM »
late to the party on this one but critical support to comrade kara for coming out of occultation to smack benji for trying to smuggle in a nolan chart analysis when ostensibly just calling balls and strikes (mandark chipped in too) and also bismarckie, whose deutschchauvinismus has always been more annoying than anything any dutchman’s posted on this board. rip in power until next time the tax code comes up, breh(Image removed from quote.)

Just where does that animosity come from?

Strange, normally it is just women who draw his ire!

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I've been pretty out of things, what is it this time?

Federal Agents kidnapping protestors in Portland (and Seattle IIRC). I haven't been paying too much attention to it since the news is BARELY covering it, if ever.

MSNBC has been covering this for days, on every hour and show of the day  ::)

The protests, maybe.

The kidnappings by the feds, lol no.

Oh wait, someone already pointed that out:

I've been pretty out of things, what is it this time?

Federal Agents kidnapping protestors in Portland (and Seattle IIRC). I haven't been paying too much attention to it since the news is BARELY covering it, if ever.

MSNBC has been covering this for days, on every hour and show of the day  ::)

That doesn’t disprove TIMU’s assertion that the news isn’t covering the federal kidnappings :thinking

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Re: Let's just get out there and say it: Trump has finally gone full ******
« Reply #126 on: July 24, 2020, 07:15:26 AM »
There are stories referencing federal agents in Portland throwing people into unmarked vans from CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, NYT, ABC News, and CBS News.

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« Reply #127 on: July 24, 2020, 08:10:48 AM »
This of course excludes the people who use such discussions to show off their latest strawmen for sale.) Consequently the definitions that get bandied about either come to resemble an amorphous blob (if evolutions are contemplated) or are hopelessly out of date.



I am sometimes an overly dogmatic person, this comes with the territory of having gone to law school I guess and working in that sphere ever since. I found Ernst Fraenkel's "dual state" approach the most comprehensive in which he distinguishes two states within a fascist or more precisely the early national-socialistic (some later interpretations also applied this to the Soviet Union and its Satellite states) state: The Normative and the Prerogative State. The interdependancy of normative and prerogative state means that only productive members of society enjoy the protection of the law, who is or isn't productive is determined a priori by a Rousseauan concept of the common good. Non productive forces are outlaws fully exposed to the prerogative state, effectively eliminating ius cogens.
If you apply this to America, you come to the conclusion that America was either always fascist if you take the Native American genocide and/or racial segregation and slavery into account  or that the Trump administration hasn't tipped the scales in a meaningful way that you can call post 2017 America fascist, but can't feasibly apply that moniker to previous administrations.


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« Reply #128 on: July 24, 2020, 08:20:28 AM »
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Re: Let's just get out there and say it: Trump has finally gone full ******
« Reply #129 on: July 24, 2020, 08:34:10 AM »
There are stories referencing federal agents in Portland throwing people into unmarked vans from CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, NYT, ABC News, and CBS News.

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« Reply #130 on: July 24, 2020, 08:42:02 AM »
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Being called deutsch-chauvinist, even if done jokingly, hurt me more than I would care to admit :gloomy

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Re: Let's just get out there and say it: Trump has finally gone full ******
« Reply #131 on: July 24, 2020, 08:58:40 AM »
Calvinist-Chauvinists  :existential
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« Reply #132 on: July 24, 2020, 09:21:28 AM »
Caca poopoo

Being called deutsch-chauvinist, even if done jokingly, hurt me more than I would care to admit :gloomy
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Re: Let's just get out there and say it: Trump has finally gone full ******
« Reply #133 on: July 24, 2020, 09:22:46 AM »
I will compensate for that by being overly Polish-chauvinist. That’s easier anyway. Just translate everything coming from the PIS party..

Probably no need to translate anyway, they need to get their message out to the Polonia voting bloc in the Anglosphere in some form.
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Re: Let's just get out there and say it: Trump has finally gone full ******
« Reply #135 on: July 24, 2020, 09:45:03 AM »
Aber warum auch nicht, alles ist heute spielerei.
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I've been pretty out of things, what is it this time?

Federal Agents kidnapping protestors in Portland (and Seattle IIRC). I haven't been paying too much attention to it since the news is BARELY covering it, if ever.

Lmao if you read the news no fucking way, it's all over the internet and media coverage: either printed or online. If anything conservative media is the one that's quiet because they are more concerned with Cheney breaking rank. So are you admitting to being a Fox watcher?
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Lmao if you read the news no fucking way, it's all over the internet and media coverage: either printed or online. If anything conservative media is the one that's quiet because they are more concerned with Cheney breaking rank. So are you admitting to being a Fox watcher?

More like non-watcher.

Google News has nothing about the protests any time I check. Might be personalized, but even then the times I check is incognito/non-logged in. So 🤷‍♂️

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« Reply #138 on: July 24, 2020, 10:35:37 AM »
I just loaded Google News on an incognito window and Portland's on the main page twice, under Headlines and US.

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« Reply #139 on: July 24, 2020, 10:52:05 AM »
I honestly find it annoying how Google News prioritizes political news and COVID information. There's no way to opt out of seeing "Story #1: Trump (or Biden) does something else today" when opening the app every time. :beli

I chose my topics, just show me those. :maf

The web version lets you bookmark the "For You" tab at least...

Edit- "For You" on mobile has all that shit though. :beli



Five stories about stupid bullshit I don't care about (and a nondismissable COVID banner linking me to other shit I don't care about) before I can get to my selected topics. :beli

Edit 2- Also I somehow hadn't removed the New York Post from my possible news sources. Or Bloomberg. Fixed.
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Re: Let's just get out there and say it: Trump has finally gone full ******
« Reply #140 on: July 24, 2020, 10:58:05 AM »
having a news source other than the tweets filler posts on here :girlaff
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« Reply #141 on: July 24, 2020, 11:00:40 AM »
having a news source other than the tweets filler posts on here :girlaff

Pretty close to giving up on the news altogether.

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Re: Let's just get out there and say it: Trump has finally gone full ******
« Reply #142 on: July 24, 2020, 11:19:21 AM »
Caca poopoo

Being called deutsch-chauvinist, even if done jokingly, hurt me more than I would care to admit :gloomy

Have your feefees hurt by nerds who regularly jerk it to little anime girls brehs  :goldberg
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Re: Let's just get out there and say it: Trump has finally gone full ******
« Reply #143 on: July 24, 2020, 11:26:39 AM »
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Re: Let's just get out there and say it: Trump has finally gone full ******
« Reply #144 on: July 24, 2020, 11:36:48 AM »
there's fascist elements in modern american political discourse, but the actual tendency seems to be towards oligarchy and thus feudalism. from feudalism is capitalism born, and so it returns, now with technopriests. hell, there seems to be a desire among the peasants for a king, so maybe we'll get a monarchy out of it. democracy and the republic are rhetorical contrivances that gave us 200 years of ennobling sentiment to try and rally around, but murka was born from and with a love of feudalism, and that has slowly eroded our high-falutin' ideals.

capitalism, communism, libertarianism, fascism: all are too academic for the brood-creatures and mud-dwellers of the masses to internalize. nothing with any ideological complexity can form a legitimate tendency, despite all the clever rationales of the twitterati. so many words to paper over a nasty truth: people are, in aggregate, fucking tribal and stupid -- and the masses, even slightly freed from the cognitive terror of education, push for lords and zaddies to set and enforce comfortable norms. best you can hope for is a brief alignment between ideology and tribal pressures.

also, secret police forces are hardly the exclusive province of fascists. i mean, it's not like our own police forces didn't originate in the shadow patrols of the oligarchic, quasi-feudal south.
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Re: Let's just get out there and say it: Trump has finally gone full ******
« Reply #145 on: July 24, 2020, 11:37:20 AM »
that's a lot of twenty dollar words, drinky  :rage

you just hate freedom
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« Reply #146 on: July 24, 2020, 11:38:01 AM »
i kinda do
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« Reply #147 on: July 24, 2020, 11:42:21 AM »
srsly, though, to be a fascist leader, trump would need to have a coherent nationalist epistemology to express it under. he can barely articulate his own name. but being a king just requires an assertion of droit de seigneur, which even his dumbass can do if he has the might to back it up.

dude's too stupid to be fascist. he just thinks he's supposed to rule, and he has just enough peasants, priests, soldiers, and mercantilists to back him up to make it happen.
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« Reply #148 on: July 24, 2020, 11:43:30 AM »
Since "fascist" got edited out and it's six asterisks instead of seven, I keep reading the title as a Tropic Thunder reference. :doge

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Lmao if you read the news no fucking way, it's all over the internet and media coverage: either printed or online. If anything conservative media is the one that's quiet because they are more concerned with Cheney breaking rank. So are you admitting to being a Fox watcher?

More like non-watcher.

Google News has nothing about the protests any time I check. Might be personalized, but even then the times I check is incognito/non-logged in. So 🤷‍♂️

Google....news?

Why are you doing this to yourself? Go to an actual news site.
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Re: Let's just get out there and say it: Trump has finally gone full ******
« Reply #150 on: July 24, 2020, 11:44:44 AM »
that...that's not what it was supposed to be read as?
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« Reply #151 on: July 24, 2020, 11:46:38 AM »
that...that's not what it was supposed to be read as?

No I'm just shocked that he gets his news from Google News - rather than an actual news source - and he's complaining he's not getting news about this from an aggregate that's purely curated and personalized while at the same time blaming "the media'.
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Re: Let's just get out there and say it: Trump has finally gone full ******
« Reply #152 on: July 24, 2020, 11:50:09 AM »
there's fascist elements in modern american political discourse, but the actual tendency seems to be towards oligarchy and thus feudalism. from feudalism is capitalism born, and so it returns, now with technopriests. hell, there seems to be a desire among the peasants for a king, so maybe we'll get a monarchy out of it.

capitalism, communism, fascism: all are too academic for the brood-creatures and mud-dwellers of the masses to internalize. nothing with any ideological complexity can form a legitimate tendency, despite all the clever rationales of the twitterati. so many words to paper over a nasty truth: people are, in aggregate, fucking tribal and stupid -- and the masses, even slightly freed from the cognitive terror of education, push for lords and zaddies to set and enforce comfortable norms.

also, secret police forces are hardly the exclusive province of fascists. i mean, it's not like our own police forces didn't originate in the shadow patrols of the oligarchic, quasi-feudal south.


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« Reply #153 on: July 24, 2020, 11:56:00 AM »
If there's one thing in life I've missed dearly it's Van Cruncheon's wit, diction, and made up spitball words on the fly. He makes us all better.
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« Reply #154 on: July 24, 2020, 12:07:49 PM »
most ideologies are just rhetorical frameworks and performative semiotics, and since most folks can't distinguish between personality and ideology, i am happy to become the bore's fascist prince based entirely on the pompous shit i drool out of my geriatric facehole
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« Reply #155 on: July 24, 2020, 12:09:06 PM »
i mean PURGE ALL BENJIS
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« Reply #156 on: July 24, 2020, 12:22:18 PM »
"Drinky makes fun of Nintendo fans now, ergo 100 years ago he would have viciously persecuted homosexuals," one of my favorite Bore threads and something I treat as an ur-text for gg/idw tomfoolery.

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« Reply #157 on: July 24, 2020, 12:30:14 PM »
without etoilet to regularly crucify, how do we forum protofascists thrive?
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Re: Let's just get out there and say it: Trump has finally gone full ******
« Reply #158 on: July 24, 2020, 12:44:19 PM »
There’s always nintex to crucify :trumps

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« Reply #159 on: July 24, 2020, 02:30:49 PM »
I could write a post citing shadowy cabals of concentrated power as the source of society's ills

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=47577.0

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« Reply #160 on: July 24, 2020, 02:34:05 PM »
Best of luck on your future move to China or your new position at Palantir, Drinky.

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« Reply #161 on: July 24, 2020, 02:36:08 PM »
Shit, should have used this in my link instead. :picard


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Re: Let's just get out there and say it: Trump has finally gone full ******
« Reply #162 on: July 24, 2020, 02:57:07 PM »
there's fascist elements in modern american political discourse, but the actual tendency seems to be towards oligarchy and thus feudalism. from feudalism is capitalism born, and so it returns, now with technopriests. hell, there seems to be a desire among the peasants for a king, so maybe we'll get a monarchy out of it. democracy and the republic are rhetorical contrivances that gave us 200 years of ennobling sentiment to try and rally around, but murka was born from and with a love of feudalism, and that has slowly eroded our high-falutin' ideals.

capitalism, communism, libertarianism, fascism: all are too academic for the brood-creatures and mud-dwellers of the masses to internalize. nothing with any ideological complexity can form a legitimate tendency, despite all the clever rationales of the twitterati. so many words to paper over a nasty truth: people are, in aggregate, fucking tribal and stupid -- and the masses, even slightly freed from the cognitive terror of education, push for lords and zaddies to set and enforce comfortable norms.

also, secret police forces are hardly the exclusive province of fascists. i mean, it's not like our own police forces didn't originate in the shadow patrols of the oligarchic, quasi-feudal south.

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« Reply #163 on: July 24, 2020, 02:57:29 PM »
Caca poopoo

Being called deutsch-chauvinist, even if done jokingly, hurt me more than I would care to admit :gloomy

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« Reply #164 on: July 24, 2020, 04:10:04 PM »
Best of luck on your future move to China or your new position at Palantir, Drinky.

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« Reply #165 on: July 24, 2020, 04:13:28 PM »
there's fascist elements in modern american political discourse, but the actual tendency seems to be towards oligarchy and thus feudalism. from feudalism is capitalism born, and so it returns, now with technopriests. hell, there seems to be a desire among the peasants for a king, so maybe we'll get a monarchy out of it. democracy and the republic are rhetorical contrivances that gave us 200 years of ennobling sentiment to try and rally around, but murka was born from and with a love of feudalism, and that has slowly eroded our high-falutin' ideals.

capitalism, communism, libertarianism, fascism: all are too academic for the brood-creatures and mud-dwellers of the masses to internalize. nothing with any ideological complexity can form a legitimate tendency, despite all the clever rationales of the twitterati. so many words to paper over a nasty truth: people are, in aggregate, fucking tribal and stupid -- and the masses, even slightly freed from the cognitive terror of education, push for lords and zaddies to set and enforce comfortable norms.

also, secret police forces are hardly the exclusive province of fascists. i mean, it's not like our own police forces didn't originate in the shadow patrols of the oligarchic, quasi-feudal south.
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« Reply #166 on: July 24, 2020, 04:18:33 PM »
hell, in the interest of hateful priapisms, today i'd be very much down with purging all of the entrepreneurial caste

did i just go full glen? i went full glen.
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I've been pretty out of things, what is it this time?

Federal Agents kidnapping protestors in Portland (and Seattle IIRC). I haven't been paying too much attention to it since the news is BARELY covering it, if ever.

MSNBC has been covering this for days, on every hour and show of the day  ::)

That doesn’t disprove TIMU’s assertion that the news isn’t covering the federal kidnappings :thinking
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« Reply #168 on: July 24, 2020, 04:27:30 PM »
i have a PhD (pleasingly hard dick) in glen


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« Reply #169 on: July 24, 2020, 04:33:59 PM »
The object of Glenn's ire is not a class, but the entire republican party and anyone who ever voted for them. In his dictatorship PD and ToxicAdam would be purged :fbm

i voted for ross perot as a college freshman, am i fucked
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« Reply #170 on: July 24, 2020, 04:38:59 PM »
i have a PhD (pleasingly hard dick) in glen


do NOT @ me for this gag

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« Reply #171 on: July 24, 2020, 04:48:58 PM »
The object of Glenn's ire is not a class, but the entire republican party and anyone who ever voted for them. In his dictatorship PD and ToxicAdam would be purged :fbm

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« Reply #173 on: July 24, 2020, 07:02:31 PM »
The object of Glenn's ire is not a class, but the entire republican party and anyone who ever voted for them. In his dictatorship PD and ToxicAdam would be purged :fbm

i voted for ross perot as a college freshman, am i fucked

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« Reply #175 on: July 24, 2020, 08:19:55 PM »
lol "rights"
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At least Prole's posts in this thread make complete sense. Some of the rest of you turned right to gibberish when BisMarckie said a few bad words about your precious and beloved fascist ideology.
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