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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| The malarkey has been defeated
« Reply #660 on: December 02, 2020, 11:04:37 PM »
Trump legal team now has Kitty Sanchez as their star witness

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« Reply #663 on: December 03, 2020, 12:16:47 AM »
#boymom sounds like a porn category tbh
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« Reply #665 on: December 03, 2020, 12:57:46 AM »
#boymom sounds like a porn category tbh
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| The malarkey has been defeated
« Reply #666 on: December 03, 2020, 09:08:35 AM »
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| The malarkey has been defeated
« Reply #667 on: December 03, 2020, 11:56:59 AM »
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1334313903686373379

Now that's a succesful business man  :money
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« Reply #668 on: December 03, 2020, 12:57:37 PM »
I love when the "hope and change" guy lectures me on snappy slogans

Barack Obama’s inner soul is like a 85 year old white man.

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« Reply #672 on: December 03, 2020, 11:40:33 PM »
love her so much  :heart
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| The malarkey has been defeated
« Reply #675 on: December 04, 2020, 04:14:13 AM »
https://twitter.com/BidenHarrisHats/status/1334586625192497152


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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| The malarkey has been defeated
« Reply #677 on: December 04, 2020, 12:38:31 PM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1333965375839621120

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1334517145288527882

do it pussy

Seeing him cry to mommy after getting told "no" on various issues has never been as personally satisfying to me as this Section 230 fight.


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« Reply #679 on: December 04, 2020, 01:53:41 PM »
The most 😂 thing about the section 230 is that it would hit his supporters the hardest. Qanon would be the first thing moderated out of existence

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« Reply #680 on: December 04, 2020, 02:34:07 PM »
section 230 is a big fucking deal

imagine etoliate crawls out of the woodwork and holds demi liable for one count of defamation per post in the archives that calls him a dumb fucking cunt
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« Reply #681 on: December 04, 2020, 02:36:08 PM »
He’d have to prove that he isn’t :kermit

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« Reply #682 on: December 04, 2020, 02:37:54 PM »
section 230 is a big fucking deal

imagine etoliate crawls out of the woodwork and holds demi liable for one count of defamation per post in the archives that calls him a dumb fucking cunt
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« Reply #683 on: December 04, 2020, 02:41:56 PM »
Wank daddies: hurray we won. We beat the CCN Federation!

Execute Section 230  :rash
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« Reply #684 on: December 04, 2020, 02:47:17 PM »
I feel like we should give etiolate another chance. I wasn't aware what he did to ruin all of his previous chances, but it can't have been that bad.

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« Reply #685 on: December 04, 2020, 03:09:32 PM »
section 230 is a big fucking deal

imagine etoliate crawls out of the woodwork and holds demi liable for one count of defamation per post in the archives that calls him a dumb fucking cunt

It's not defamation if it's true. :trumps
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« Reply #686 on: December 04, 2020, 04:43:03 PM »
section 230 is a big fucking deal

imagine etoliate crawls out of the woodwork and holds demi liable for one count of defamation per post in the archives that calls him a dumb fucking cunt

Wait I can make money because people keep defaming me with egregiously false libel accusations related to "pedo"?

 :trumps :playa :trumps :delicious

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« Reply #687 on: December 04, 2020, 04:46:44 PM »
you really want to open up the question of whether you are a pedo in a court of law

what about you encouraging another poster to share video of an underage girl :gurl


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« Reply #689 on: December 04, 2020, 05:29:40 PM »
section 230 is a big fucking deal

imagine etoliate crawls out of the woodwork and holds demi liable for one count of defamation per post in the archives that calls him a dumb fucking cunt

Wait I can make money because people keep defaming me with egregiously false libel accusations related to "pedo"?

 :trumps :playa :trumps :delicious

Nintex, we about to feast
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The most 😂 thing about the section 230 is that it would hit his supporters the hardest. Qanon would be the first thing moderated out of existence

230 or something like it is probably necessary for the internet as we know it to exist. 

It's not just about 8chan or "The Bore" being held labile, it would potentially be web sites as well as whoever hosts the servers.   

So even ignoring that the moderation of stuff like social media would become prohibitively expensive,  the people who host the platforms.. the ISPs... everything along the chain could be held liable, theoretically.

It's like holding a store responsible for a shoplifter stealing.  And whoever is leasing them the building... and..and
That's how the GDPR works already yet not a peep in protest when that went down because of non-existing privacy concerns.
Not to mention the hounds going after the founder of 4chan, 8chan and whatevs just because someone posted there who started shooting shit.

Like the GDPR this will turn into a similar mandatory privacy policy / cookie wall racket tho  :mynicca

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« Reply #691 on: December 04, 2020, 05:48:55 PM »
gotta love the big guy  :heart

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« Reply #692 on: December 04, 2020, 05:51:00 PM »
Do these clowns really think Trump will sign this?  :lol
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« Reply #693 on: December 04, 2020, 05:53:25 PM »
no one dare challenge galactic god emperor bide  :rejoice
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« Reply #694 on: December 04, 2020, 05:56:25 PM »
The efforts to have Trump sign this will be as succesful as the efforts to letting him concede.
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« Reply #695 on: December 04, 2020, 06:04:35 PM »
I could see repealing section 230 just turn into a section 230 waiver that releases the website and any posters from liability of anything you read on the site that you need to click on to read any content from a site 😂

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« Reply #696 on: December 04, 2020, 06:07:57 PM »
I could see repealing section 230 just turn into a section 230 waiver that releases the website and any posters from liability of anything you read on the site that you need to click on to read any content from a site 😂
nintex can write a 230 waiver for thebore.com  ;)
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« Reply #697 on: December 04, 2020, 06:27:35 PM »
I could see repealing section 230 just turn into a section 230 waiver that releases the website and any posters from liability of anything you read on the site that you need to click on to read any content from a site 😂
nintex can write a 230 waiver for thebore.com  ;)
It would just be this gif


With an "I ACCEPT" button under it  :rash
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« Reply #698 on: December 04, 2020, 08:03:43 PM »
Ah I think I get it now... I don't know how anyone could misunderstand GDPR any further than you seem to.

Those dialogs are a requirement of GDPR and are not somehow some magic release of liability from it's protections.  They are codified into law, along with a bunch of other stuff that continues to be hugely expensive for companies.

And it's incredibly doubtful you'd be able to wish your liability away with a button click if 230 was removed in the US.
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« Reply #699 on: December 05, 2020, 02:10:10 AM »
Ah I think I get it now... I don't know how anyone could misunderstand GDPR any further than you seem to.

Those dialogs are a requirement of GDPR and are not somehow some magic release of liability from it's protections.  They are codified into law, along with a bunch of other stuff that continues to be hugely expensive for companies.

And it's incredibly doubtful you'd be able to wish your liability away with a button click if 230 was removed in the US.

They could almost certainly force you into arbitration, effectively shielding themselves from lawsuits from users. The courts recently upheld that for Epic Games on a hacking class action suit.

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« Reply #700 on: December 05, 2020, 02:11:43 AM »
you really want to open up the question of whether you are a pedo in a court of law

what about you encouraging another poster to share video of an underage girl :gurl

Keep throwing libel around honey the more receipts the better
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« Reply #701 on: December 05, 2020, 05:48:13 AM »
We got all the documents  :dobbs
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« Reply #702 on: December 05, 2020, 09:35:43 AM »
I feel like we should give etiolate another chance. I wasn't aware what he did to ruin all of his previous chances, but it can't have been that bad.
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« Reply #703 on: December 05, 2020, 09:52:09 AM »
#freeEtiolate  :rejoice
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« Reply #705 on: December 05, 2020, 11:54:57 AM »
#freeEtiolate  :rejoice

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« Reply #708 on: December 05, 2020, 02:10:42 PM »
"Folks you can't just click your liability away by clicking ok, that's not how the world works"



"So if I click ok I can just post whatever bullshit I want right?"

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« Reply #709 on: December 05, 2020, 02:32:06 PM »
Ah I think I get it now... I don't know how anyone could misunderstand GDPR any further than you seem to.

Those dialogs are a requirement of GDPR and are not somehow some magic release of liability from it's protections.  They are codified into law, along with a bunch of other stuff that continues to be hugely expensive for companies.

And it's incredibly doubtful you'd be able to wish your liability away with a button click if 230 was removed in the US.

They could almost certainly force you into arbitration, effectively shielding themselves from lawsuits from users. The courts recently upheld that for Epic Games on a hacking class action suit.

Section 230 is not about lawsuits from users though.

Section 230 is about criminal liability for illegal content that ends up on your servers or web site.

You can't wave criminal liability away with a "click OK after reading this" dialog.   

You also can't wave away liability for all of GDPR or CCPR.   I don't know what Epic Games and a class action hacking lawsuit have to do with any of this.

I don’t think you have a very comprehensive knowledge about section 230. It’s about both of those things.

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The bulk of Section 230’s impact comes from a single sentence: “No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.”


But the civil lawsuit risk is far bigger than the criminal liability. Because of the first amendment not much of what you say online is actually criminal.

The risk is that these guys get bogged down with lawsuits that say “@dogficker is making things up about me online, he’s defaming me, he’s harassing me, he’s organizing a harassment campaign against me and oh yeah, he’s using Twitter so they are doing it too”

My point is that tech companies will respond to this by putting a pop up that says “by using this website you agree to settle any disputes with twitter using an arbitration. Epic games store did this, was sued in federal court, and that part of the eula was held up. Meaning that approach has been tested in court and upheld

I’m trying to imaging what kind of criminal statute they would even Ben worried about and I’m bot sure what I’m missing. Like the FBI so probably not going to investigate twitter for being part of a criminal conspiracy because two users were talking abo it selling drugs on the site

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« Reply #710 on: December 05, 2020, 02:56:02 PM »
That makes sense, I didn’t really consider that.... but how likely is that really?

“I know that somebody is defaming me on Facebook, but I have never once visited Facebook and clicked the disclaimer they make me click to view the site”


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« Reply #713 on: December 05, 2020, 06:03:59 PM »
That makes sense, I didn’t really consider that.... but how likely is that really?

“I know that somebody is defaming me on Facebook, but I have never once visited Facebook and clicked the disclaimer they make me click to view the site”

Well even if you've visited the site I don't see how a disclaimer would work here without the actual legal protection.   The crime is not really directly related to your use of the site, or your data.. it's a crime or civil offense committed by someone else using that site..  (that under current law, as long as sites make a "good faith effort" to respond to complaints, they aren't liable)

Like could YouTube say "By using this site you agree that if anyone posts revenge porn of you on YouTube you can't sue us."  ?  I don't think so.. and either way, there's no guarantee that anyone who would have such a crime committed against them is a user, so therefore if they had liability chances and "good faith efforts" no longer work, they'd have to change how they do business even if the main worry was a civil lawsuit.. i mean, probably particularly since it's a civil lawsuit since lawyers would probably feast on the chance.

Same with the actual criminal protections too;  and while defamation doesn't have a police force behind it, stuff like sex trafficking does.  Which is why modifications to internet law caused people like backpage.com and craigslist to react so quickly and shut down their NSFW ads that were obviously prostitution.  That was basically a "Section 230 doesn't apply to sex trafficking" scenario and boom they ditched it.  Outright removing section 230 would immediately hold anyone who hosts images/video liable for ALLLLL kinds of bad crimes.

There's probably some sensible modifications to Section 230 to be had but an outright removal probably would cause a lot of stirring in tech.

(and either way, I digress, those dialogs you guys see about cookies are not a waver from GDPR/CCPR, they are a requirement of them)

Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure repealing section 230 wouldn’t be an easy adjustment to Internet companies, but I don’t think Facebook would fold up over it either. It would probably hurt smaller companies like Thebore.com a lot worse. The bigger companies would just adjust.

I only brought up the Epic games thing because it was an example where to use a piece of software you had to click an EULA agreeing not to sue the company, and to only use arbitration, and that was ruled as valid in court. It won’t remove all legal liability, but that approach would be valid and I’m sure they would start using it on some level.

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« Reply #714 on: December 05, 2020, 06:25:18 PM »
Facebook likes Section 230 just because it saves them money, it's not a make or break for a company that large. Same with Twitter. It'd be any competitor, like say... Parler, that'd be the ones to be smashed apart in legal fees before they could compete. Especially since it'd be in the interests of existing companies to swamp any competitors with them.

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« Reply #715 on: December 05, 2020, 07:29:09 PM »
https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1335346208106291206

It's a good thing Donald Trump is not a vengeful man.
He could use this against you and make sure the economy blows up when you assume office.
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« Reply #716 on: December 05, 2020, 07:52:27 PM »
The problem scales with the size of your userbase though.    I don't see how being massive is really an advantage considering that, just makes the moderation effort that much more massive and important.

GDPR has been expensive (and will continue to be, as it complicates the cost of developing any software that stores PII) but it can be 100% solved with automation and no human intervention.   So it's just been expensive to shoehorn solutions at companies and raised the cost of creating software a bit, and of course those who have fucked up have been fined, but it's a very small cost increase compared to a massive moderation effort (which already coincides with massive efforts to automate moderation, that would also need increased investment and it's all far more complex, thus expensive, than the stuff people do for GDPR.)
Facebook has to employ those moderators anyway at their size for their business model, Section 230 just frees them from having to prepare to go to court with almost every single moderation action. A lot of that moderation can be automated, but legal fees can't be as lawyers are required by law.

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« Reply #718 on: December 05, 2020, 08:10:17 PM »
just caught a 30 day ban on fb for continually posting porn  :doge
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