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« Reply #5160 on: January 21, 2022, 03:04:03 PM »
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1484606683041218563

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For those who don't know, basically people had been robbing trains carrying Amazon packages.
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« Reply #5161 on: January 21, 2022, 03:44:59 PM »
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President Joe Biden ends his first year in the White House with a clear majority of Americans for the first time disapproving of his handling of the presidency in the face of an unrelenting pandemic and roaring inflation, according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

More Americans disapprove than approve of how Biden is handling his job as president, 56% to 43%. As of now, just 28% of Americans say they want Biden to run for reelection in 2024, including only 48% of Democrats.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-joe-biden-business-health-inflation-6b6b0abfef867fc405e9f358ce2c3a09



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Joe Biden is a perfect test case for how the two party gives very little to the American people. Joe Biden ran solely on the issue of him not being "the other guy". He wasn't voted in for his values, his convictions or lack thereof, or his policy. He wasn't Trump and at the time, that was enough.
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« Reply #5163 on: January 21, 2022, 03:52:06 PM »
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/critical-race-theory-curriculum-transparency-rcna12809

This is good. So what.
https://twitter.com/ACLU/status/1484573261967114247

What if the children are being taught slaves came here in involuntary? Would the ACLU view transparency as important then?

A major flaw in left shame tactics is that they often can't see how it benefits them. Fuck the ACLU.
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« Reply #5164 on: January 21, 2022, 04:06:23 PM »
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington today sent Donald Trump a letter to remind him that he will need to pay taxes on any money the Republican National Committee spends to cover his legal bills.

The RNC has reportedly agreed to cover up to $1.6 million in legal bills stemming from the New York investigations into Trump’s business practices, having already spent about $700,000. As these are Trump’s personal legal expenses arising from his personal businesses, any dollar the RNC spends on covering Trump is taxable income for him under the law.

“For years, Donald Trump has been looking to taxpayers, political supporters, and those seeking to curry favor with him to pay his bills, and this is one more example,” said CREW President Noah Bookbinder. “Trump is facing so many legal issues that it’s important he remembers that not paying taxes on this income could cause him to face even more.”

It may come as a surprise that Trump needs help covering his personal legal expenses, as he claims to be worth billions. Then again, his false claims about the value of his holdings are what brought about the investigations into his business practices in the first place.

We would hope that the former president does not need this reminder. After all, this is the man who said, “I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world. Nobody knows more about taxes.” Trump famously paid a $2 million fine after illegally using his tax-deductible foundation to pay his personal expenses, a scandal first exposed by CREW.

“Tax evasion is a serious crime–it’s what finally sent Al Capone to prison,” said Bookbinder. “Given the litany of laws Donald Trump has apparently violated, we thought it helpful to give him a reminder before he violates another one.”
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #5165 on: January 21, 2022, 04:09:16 PM »
CRT isn't taught to grade school students.

https://reason.com/2021/07/06/critical-race-theory-nea-taught-in-schools/

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The implication is that these critiques are aspects of critical race theory, which in a weird way makes this an example of the activist left basically accepting the activist right's new working definition of CRT as "all of the various cultural insanities."
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« Reply #5166 on: January 21, 2022, 04:23:41 PM »
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/21/read-the-never-issued-trump-order-that-would-have-seized-voting-machines-527572

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Among the records that Donald Trump’s lawyers tried to shield from Jan. 6 investigators are a draft executive order that would have directed the defense secretary to seize voting machines and a document titled “Remarks on National Healing.”

Yikes. Three page EO posted at the link.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #5167 on: January 21, 2022, 04:30:08 PM »
Tema Okun and Robin DiAngelo do seem to have gotten many of their core ideas from a bad Tucker Carlson segment.

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« Reply #5168 on: January 21, 2022, 04:39:11 PM »
Tema Okun and Robin DiAngelo do seem to have gotten many of their core ideas from a bad Tucker Carlson segment.

It's my personal prediction and I could easily be wrong, but I think Republicans are taking a nice slow road towards distancing Trump. It's clear the party wants to move on but they're locked in due to the base. They can't take anti-Trump stances too far too soon less they get burned for it so they're playing a long game. You can see soft anti-Trump rhetoric from people like Cheney and Turtle Boy. But knowing that they can will lose this massive advantage if they go full on anti-Trump I think they're relying on time being the ultimate victor in this case for more and more doozies like this one to remind people of his illegitimacy to lead office. So that when a frontrunner comes after 2022 into 2023 they can finally start talking down on Trump and shift the party in their own image. Again, I could be totally wrong. My hope is that they'll take what good they learned from Trump's Presidency (saying fuck you to the elites and liberal institutions regardless of criticism) and running Trumpism without the decay and dysfunction. At least I hope that's what happens! I'm very biased and I will vote Republican in the GE for the first time in my life either way.

We have to win and defeat the D's.
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« Reply #5169 on: January 21, 2022, 04:59:33 PM »
https://news.yahoo.com/mitch-mcconnell-slams-outrageous-mischaracterization-202008878.html

We need you Mitch. You're also good at what you do, Mitch: stopping Democrats from getting what they want with their own ever changing rules.

Stop fucking it up and being like Biden, making it more challenging to bring more black conservative people into the fold during a time of record disenchantment with the donkeys.

Emphasize your record with anti-racism.
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« Reply #5170 on: January 21, 2022, 06:57:57 PM »
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1483905141036261376

:trumps

The libs don't understand that if they push out Mitch it will make Trump the uncontested leader of the party.
Or maybe they do and they want to save CNN ratings.
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« Reply #5171 on: January 21, 2022, 11:38:44 PM »
WAPO OP-ED: Are Republicans becoming the country’s majority party?

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Are Republicans becoming the country’s majority party? Tantalizing new polling data from Gallup suggest they might. It could just be a blip, or it could be an early sign of an upheaval that would transform American politics.

That’s what makes the Gallup data so potentially Earth-shattering. Gallup found that partisan identification has shifted by a massive 14 points since early 2021. In the first quarter of 2021, 49 percent of Americans said they were Democrats — defined as solid partisans and Democratic-leaning independents — compared with only 40 percent who said they were Republicans. That lead shrunk in each quarter of the year. By the fourth quarter, the lead shifted to the GOP. As President Biden’s job approval dropped into the low 40s, 47 percent of Americans said they were Republicans compared with 42 percent who said they were Democrats.

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Biden’s ultra-liberal ineptitude is giving Republicans another chance to prove they understand the real American dream. If they finally listen to what voters are telling them, 2022 and 2024 could bring about the most decisive realignment since the Great Depression.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/18/are-republicans-becoming-countrys-majority-party/?utm_source=reddit.com

What a beautiful OP-ED.

Vaccine mandates are totalitarian. Thank you for showing your hand and pushing the rest of us, even if temporarily, to the right! We can all now finally press the button!

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« Reply #5172 on: January 22, 2022, 04:36:33 AM »
To me it seems like people like the free exchange ideas in the modern GOP. You have 20 different factions now. From people that think JFK jr. is a Republican to people that claim not to be Republicans but agree with them on their podcasts or old ladies that simply want MyPillow coupons. What even is a Republican at this point is up for debate.
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« Reply #5173 on: January 22, 2022, 09:15:47 AM »
To me it seems like people like the free exchange ideas in the modern GOP.

This is also a major factor. In today's world you cannot express any idea without being shamed, finger pointed at, guilt tripped at with the modern Democratic Party. They've codified a culture of thought policing. They utterly cut off spaces of free speech in the guise of "acceptance" and "tolerance" and I think a year or two of not being able to think or express what you think without having some finger wagged in your face whether on or offline by the left has curated a sense of resentment for a lot of people which proved the alt-rights protestations against the "progressive left" for so long utterly, utterly correct. Then you factor in things like vaccine mandates and even if you support vaccines but dislike mandates, that's not good enough for them and you'll be endlessly purity tested to oblivion. So now you can't escape the left even when you put your phone in your pocket. The only recourse is to beseech their closest enemies just to make the pain go away.

Ergo, the left presents a monoculture and shame anyone outside of that monoculture.

Two years of everyone being ultra online probably is helping it further.

Then you factor in them not taking rising crime seriously;etc. and it's really game, set, match.

This was posted on r/moderatepolitics and some of the answers are enlightening.

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Personally, I would have registered republican by now if it weren't for the fact that my voter registration can be looked up online, and I'm afraid my boss or Co worker might see it.

I think a big part of the rise of the Republican party is a growing disfranchisement. it seems like the internet is creating a hegemony of a few only being able to speak without fear of losing your job or other things. this is going to create false sense of self-righteousness which will back fire at the democrats sooner or later. One of the most common reason I've heard from independents on why they don't vote republican is because they are waiting until they had enough.

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It was my opinion that the election of Trump was a reaction to the media's coverage of him.  He was a deeply flawed candidate that made many errors that should have sunk him.  But the media exaggerated pretty much everything  he did during the campaign and from prior.

* Trump calls Mexicans rapists (he said they were sending their rapists)

* Trump called for the execution of 5 innocent teens in 1989. (Trump said rapist should be made to suffer and killers should face execution)

* Trump admits sexual assault "grabbing women by the pussy". (Trump joked about how easy fame groupies are)

* etc etc

All of these actions were bad,

* Mexico isn't sending their rapists

* his ad was ignorant and a call for over the top authoritative response to crime

* referring to women with such disrespect should sink you

But the media exaggerated everything he did.  Made him the victim.  He went from being a bad guy to being "not as bad as they say".

It's my opinion that the same or a similar thing is happening here.   I think the support for Republicans comes from a backlash to the media's coverage.

People can oppose blm riots or even their position that the police are racist without being a racist but that is how they are portrayed

Supporting stricter borders doesn't make you xenophobic  but that is how they are portrayed.

Two years of questioning the validity of Trump was patriotic but questioning the validity of Biden is treason

Over and over there are stories of exaggerations and then protecting the democrats I'm most media.  I could see this causing this Chang in numbers
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #5174 on: January 22, 2022, 09:25:15 AM »
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #5176 on: January 22, 2022, 02:36:01 PM »
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« Reply #5177 on: January 22, 2022, 02:44:26 PM »


Tsk tsk tsk. Donating to Sinema.

They've been threatening her for years.



Humble those socialist fucks, Sinema.
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« Reply #5179 on: January 23, 2022, 12:33:34 PM »


Tsk tsk tsk. Donating to Sinema.

They've been threatening her for years.



Humble those socialist fucks, Sinema.

Didn't you claim to be a republican?

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« Reply #5180 on: January 23, 2022, 03:49:59 PM »
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1484649194778472454




Tsk tsk tsk. Donating to Sinema.

They've been threatening her for years.



Humble those socialist fucks, Sinema.

Didn't you claim to be a republican?

I don't understand.

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« Reply #5181 on: January 23, 2022, 04:31:55 PM »
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1484649194778472454




Tsk tsk tsk. Donating to Sinema.

They've been threatening her for years.



Humble those socialist fucks, Sinema.

Didn't you claim to be a republican?

I don't understand.

Simena is a centrist Dem, she doesn't claim to believe in any Republican or small c conservative ideals. You're sending money to a person that doesn't hold your positions. If she does, can you tell me what interests you? 

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« Reply #5182 on: January 23, 2022, 04:34:28 PM »
I don't understand.

You should get that printed on a shirt.
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« Reply #5183 on: January 23, 2022, 05:08:20 PM »
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1484649194778472454



Didn't you claim to be a republican?

I don't understand.

Simena is a centrist Dem, she doesn't claim to believe in any Republican or small c conservative ideals. You're sending money to a person that doesn't hold your positions. If she does, can you tell me what interests you?

I think this completely typifies the difference in mindset we have. For you it's about party lines. I don't even fully agree with everything on the Republican platform. Up until now I was Independent. For Democrats and liberals, things are mostly about purity tests and think you have to fully agree with someone to support them. Sinema has walked a narrow line with the party for a while and the only reason she was elected was because she went D when realistically, she should probably be I. For Democrats, they think the "other side" is evil. Me, I just think liberals are wrong. However, Sinema has shown gumption to stick to her ideals and isn't about toppling well placed structures or reforming things just to get her way. She has principles. She doesn't skirt her party byline for sake of party. This must be rewarded as it is rare in a politician. As an Independent (although now Republican) I really support that. You have made a grave mistake in projecting your own vote habits on to me. I will gladly vote for or support a Democrat if I like them even if we don't agree on everything.

Colorado's governor is a Democrat and I'd gladly vote for him if I had the opportunity.

The fact she's a centrist Dem is precisely why I'm supporting her. She's not a hard L "liberal" either. Do you support her? She's closer to me than you.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kyrsten_sinema/412509
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« Reply #5184 on: January 23, 2022, 05:52:01 PM »
Why are you saying it's about Sinema's "principles" when it's clear that these two groups (sinema and Republicans) have totally different principles, ideals and policy? The only thing they have in common is a mutual enemy, and yet you're willing to throw your support at them both.

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« Reply #5185 on: January 23, 2022, 06:11:43 PM »
himu wants to own the libs... pretty simple
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« Reply #5186 on: January 23, 2022, 06:13:48 PM »
Sinema has walked a narrow line with the party for a while and the only reason she was elected was because she went D when realistically, she should probably be I.
didn't she start as a Green party activist?
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« Reply #5187 on: January 23, 2022, 06:19:33 PM »
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1485353848768274434



Let's go!!!

Why are you saying it's about Sinema's "principles" when it's clear that these two groups (sinema and Republicans) have totally different principles, ideals and policy? The only thing they have in common is a mutual enemy, and yet you're willing to throw your support at them both.

Again, this is liberal thinking: support only people who think like you and not being able to understand the propensity to respect people that think are different from you. Do you think I agree with everything on the Republican platform? You're applying the liberal purity testing I don't care about. Sinema should be rewarded for her filibuster move and sticking to her guns.

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and yet you're willing to throw your support at them both.

What part of "I used to be registered independent" is hard to understand?

Sinema has walked a narrow line with the party for a while and the only reason she was elected was because she went D when realistically, she should probably be I.
didn't she start as a Green party activist?

Yeah, environment is one of her biggest platforms.
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« Reply #5189 on: January 23, 2022, 06:29:19 PM »
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1485264153292029955

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1485322623504556034

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1485324690096799747

What an absolute disaster



himu wants to own the libs... pretty simple

Liberals have codified a monoculture on society that is utterly inescapable. They own all culture. They've curated a culture so stifling that I need - need - to watch Fox News and go to conservative spaces to get away from it all, like a warm bath in the dark of winter. When you make a culture where you can't say anything, can't think anything, can't express anything fear of insults, reprisal, and outright dehumanization yeah, I want them owned. Very badly. I want them deplatformed and humbled. Yes, I want them owned and I am not ashamed to admit it.
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« Reply #5190 on: January 23, 2022, 06:45:14 PM »
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1485324690096799747

We should have went with Trump :tocry I wish I could revote.

One of the big stats from that video is up 34 points is that people no longer think Government can solve the issues in this country. Quite right: because BIG GOVERNMENT SUCKS SHIT. That's the big lesson of the pandemic and Biden's presidency: Republicans were right about big government all along. Fuck big government. Shrink the Fed and feed her shit.
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« Reply #5191 on: January 23, 2022, 06:46:40 PM »
The people in power have listened to a small but very vocal minority and now they are further removed from the general population than ever before.
Yet the big problem is that they can't pivot away from that minority because if they do, they will be destroyed.
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« Reply #5192 on: January 23, 2022, 07:22:08 PM »
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1484649194778472454



Didn't you claim to be a republican?

I don't understand.

Simena is a centrist Dem, she doesn't claim to believe in any Republican or small c conservative ideals. You're sending money to a person that doesn't hold your positions. If she does, can you tell me what interests you?

I think this completely typifies the difference in mindset we have. For you it's about party lines. I don't even fully agree with everything on the Republican platform. Up until now I was Independent. For Democrats and liberals, things are mostly about purity tests and think you have to fully agree with someone to support them. Sinema has walked a narrow line with the party for a while and the only reason she was elected was because she went D when realistically, she should probably be I. For Democrats, they think the "other side" is evil. Me, I just think liberals are wrong. However, Sinema has shown gumption to stick to her ideals and isn't about toppling well placed structures or reforming things just to get her way. She has principles. She doesn't skirt her party byline for sake of party. This must be rewarded as it is rare in a politician. As an Independent (although now Republican) I really support that. You have made a grave mistake in projecting your own vote habits on to me. I will gladly vote for or support a Democrat if I like them even if we don't agree on everything.

Colorado's governor is a Democrat and I'd gladly vote for him if I had the opportunity.

The fact she's a centrist Dem is precisely why I'm supporting her. She's not a hard L "liberal" either. Do you support her? She's closer to me than you.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kyrsten_sinema/412509

Himu, I'm saying this because you said you were a republican before, and an independent now.
You're supporting a person who takes large corporate donations and doesn't represent her constitutes (Arizonians in general), or her actual Dem base (labor unions, activists, Hispanic groups, etc.), she's a no vote on lower drug prices, expanding Medicare, $15 minimum wage, a tax increase on wealthier individuals. She's at best an obstructionist to what actually makes Congress work at the moment because she won't say what will win her vote, but she'll vote against thing that are popular. It'll be one thing if the strategy is actually working, but just look at her poll numbers, it's objectively worse than Mark Kelly, and he's no leftist either. And Simena is to the right of Kelley.

I'll be frank, what are you actually for and why are you donating to a person who is one of the people you claim to detest (the Dem establishment, which she's a part of, btw. Look at her donor base, it's the same as the Dem leadership and other members of congress that you would think sucks hard)?

If it's just to own the libs, then to be frank, there's candidates for you. You can do better than Simena.

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The fact she's a centrist Dem is precisely why I'm supporting her. She's not a hard L "liberal" either. Do you support her? She's closer to me than you.

Of course not, we talked about this, you should know my politics by now. I hate my own senators, and Simena is somehow to the right of Dianne Finestein and Alex Padilla.
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« Reply #5193 on: January 23, 2022, 08:09:53 PM »
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Florida bill would ban talk of sexual orientation, gender identity in the classroom

Congrats Florida for passing good legislation.

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TAMPA, Fla. (WFLA) — Building upon a framework created with 2021’s Parents’ Bill of Rights, Florida lawmakers have proposed a new piece of legislation that would ban discussion of sexual orientation or gender identity in classrooms for kindergarten through seventh grade.

https://www.wfla.com/news/politics/florida-bill-would-ban-talk-of-sexual-orientation-gender-identity-in-the-classroom/amp/

Teaching per-pubescent children about sexuality (whether straight or not), LGBT, and gender identity has no place in our schools. Gender identity talk should be banned from schools until we understand it more and its impact on children.
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« Reply #5194 on: January 23, 2022, 08:28:42 PM »
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/12/9/pandemic-exploited-to-adopt-mass-surveillance-watchdog-warns

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Pandemic exploited to normalise mass surveillance, watchdog warns

AlgorithmWatch warns that a plethora of automated decision-making systems were implemented in haste under the guise of public health.

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The results produced by AI “have been wildly overblown, subject to hype, and even exploited in dangerous, Cold War-style propaganda among conflicting superpowers,” Chiusi said.

“The trend long precedes the pandemic, and a public health emergency may be framed — and it has been — as the perfect excuse to justify — and even worse, normalize — widespread surveillance, especially in non-democratic contexts. What’s even more worrisome is how little this has been debated in democratic countries as well,” he told Al Jazeera.

Yes. On one hand everything is a "threat to our democracy" but on the other, let's blindly take on surveillance esque police state legislation and shame everyone who disagrees.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #5195 on: January 24, 2022, 04:08:35 AM »
I always thought "if you stand for nothing you'll for anything" a rather glib axiom, but, well, y'know.

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« Reply #5196 on: January 24, 2022, 08:50:57 AM »
Benji:

https://np.reddit.com/r/GoldandBlack/comments/sanmfz/is_the_two_party_duopoly_shifting/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

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2008 Republicans - Pro War, in the pocket of corporate interests, party of the rich

2008 Democrats - Anti war, in the pocket of labor unions, party of the working class

2022 Republicans - Anti war, party of the working class

2022 Democrats - Pro War, in the pocket of corporate interests and labor unions, party of the rich

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We might be in the midst of a party system realignment.

The 1960s union Democrat voters are dying out, which means the Democrat party's base has become almost entirely socialists and urban grift recipients.  The party's politicians are almost all political grifters who don't care as long as they maintain power.

The Republican party is internally divided between Bush era NeoCons and newer Trump supporters.  The Trump faction sees the corruption throughout government. It's united by doing battle against the woke socialists; the Bush era GOP who just appease the socialists for a share of the grift are in their way. However, the Trump faction isn't sure how they want to govern once they get control; it ranges from "new guy,  same as the old guy" to eliminating large swaths of government.

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>shifting to more of a landscape of libertarianism vs “progressivism"

yeah that is my assessment, at least with voters

while I don't think the left is going to give any real power to pretend socialists like aoc and sanders, the right is in a bit of a civil war. their entire base is now trump style populist mixed with libertarians, but the party is controlled by McConnell and rinos. They are going to have to let trump or desantis be their candidate, and while those 2 aren't libertarians themselves, they have much more overlap with them than neocons and ally themselves with libertarian lite reps like rand paul. I really think our best move is forming a coalition with the populists and supporting the mises caucus to take power at the state level. The south is very into libertarianism now and we should be running republicans that want to do things like kill state income tax and legalize weed.

Trump/Desantis are not libertarians, but trump had many policies that were, like his successful tax cuts and isolationism. We are going to have to deal with policies like securing the border and blocking free trade. I honestly don't think open borders and tree trade are tenable until the issues they are causing are dealt with. Open borders are not beneficial with a welfare state and free trade isn't viable when you kill off domestic industry.

Libertarians are never going to win on their own, so we need to take over the republican party.
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« Reply #5197 on: January 24, 2022, 09:21:15 AM »
The Republicans aren't so much anti-war as temporarily burned by bad wars and having promoted "thinkers" closer to the Old Right than those who dominated the Party from Dewey on, including during the Reagan Revolution, and thus are not instantly dismissive of objections to military action. Many Republicans are currently attacking Biden for not pre-emptively declaring war on Russia and have spent many of the last few months lamenting how Biden had "lost" Afghanistan. Trump's deeply principled stance as a peacenik is entirely because he was afraid of bad press if he chose wrong again ala Iraq.

And no true libertarian, let alone an ancap, would think there's ever a justification for restricting free trade. Mainstream economics, Friedman, the Austrian axioms, etc. none of them support such a backwards position. Even the history of American protectionism doesn't support the thesis as often the tariffs were set more for revenue generation than any kind of attempt at the latter with the latter almost always resulting in economic downturns. There's not even support for the theory made here that domestic industry has been "killed off" as the United States produces more than ever within its borders.

According to the underlying theory of autarky these people should advocate for greater internal restrictions between the states as each of the 50 states would obviously benefit from promoting their domestic industry rather than accepting goods or workers from other states.

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« Reply #5198 on: January 24, 2022, 09:29:48 AM »
I agree with all of that. The Republicans right now are only temporarily embarrassed from their hawkish past. I am full on pro-isolationism. I don't think it's America's best position to get involved in a war outside our borders. I'm sorry if Russia takes over Europe. I hope it doesn't happen but I also don't think we should get involved unless they threaten US of A. China and Taiwan is a more delicate situation but thankfully China knows the rebuttal against that will be more world wide.

At home it's important to press Republican leaders to curb their hawkism. Isolationism is for the best. This is also why you need a strong leader to pressure or at least remind our enemies of our power even if we shouldn't wield it. Biden shows what happens when you have a weak leader.

Although Trump's isolationism is due to not wanting to make another Iraq I much prefer it to Biden's approach. Strength first. My problem arises when free trade is, a crucial part of modern living, is impacted. I think Trump's tariffs on China were a bit much.

Thoughts on the potentiality of a party realignment and what it might look like?
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« Reply #5199 on: January 24, 2022, 09:41:41 AM »
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Yikes. This explains my entire situation. Ugh. Upper class white women. Barf.

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What an absolute disaster

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himu wants to own the libs... pretty simple

Liberals have codified a monoculture on society that is utterly inescapable. They own all culture. They've curated a culture so stifling that I need - need - to watch Fox News and go to conservative spaces to get away from it all, like a warm bath in the dark of winter. When you make a culture where you can't say anything, can't think anything, can't express anything fear of insults, reprisal, and outright dehumanization yeah, I want them owned. Very badly. I want them deplatformed and humbled. Yes, I want them owned and I am not ashamed to admit it.


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You laugh but you probably aren't surrounded in a super woke environment in real life where people have the need to articulate their pronouns. Wokism and having to censor yourself around it is tiring. Thankfully there's Fox News. I'm convinced this is why it's so popular. It's an island away from the liberalism in society. Thank God.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #5200 on: January 24, 2022, 09:51:38 AM »
Isolationism is also dumb. There is no reason to seal yourself off from the world's benefits.

"Strength" or "weakness" as you're suggesting and as dominates discourse is nonsense. Trump does not represent the former and Biden does not represent the latter even under this nonsense theory. What is "strong" about Trump bashing China on Twitter and in campaign rallies because they pursue their own goals while then bending over backwards to excuse other authoritarians and then also excusing China? Jimmy Carter has long been considered "weak" on foreign policy because he initially pursued a policy that favored human rights and treaty negotiations over LBJ and Nixonian power politics before shifting towards another Washington Consensus. Yet, Nixon went to China and Reagan pursued arms treaties with the Soviets. Over the combined 28 years of JFK-LBJ-Nixon-Ford-Reagan-Bush the United States betrayed more allies and shifted more sides than Jimmy Carter ever did. All of the former are "strong" while Carter is "weak" in the traditional picture. Bill Clinton was so afraid of appearing as "weak" that he intervened in more countries with force in his eight years than every President since Truman had combined.

There is no realignment involving libertarians rising to power within the Republican Party while the Republican Party rejects even its purported principles for pure power politics it perceives as necessary to preserve an America it hates for being "weak."

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« Reply #5202 on: January 24, 2022, 10:13:33 AM »
This appears to be a subtweet:
https://twitter.com/cant_b/status/1484996213040726023

Hey a liberal dismissing real concerns and turning them into a joke for his bubble sphere of sycophants

Never seen that before.

Oh, he's a professor and in high education. Even more surprising.

Of course it's some liberal cracker who probably has his every want taken care. I fucking hate them so much.
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« Reply #5203 on: January 24, 2022, 10:18:39 AM »
Isolationism is also dumb. There is no reason to seal yourself off from the world's benefits.

"Strength" or "weakness" as you're suggesting and as dominates discourse is nonsense. Trump does not represent the former and Biden does not represent the latter even under this nonsense theory. What is "strong" about Trump bashing China on Twitter and in campaign rallies because they pursue their own goals while then bending over backwards to excuse other authoritarians and then also excusing China? Jimmy Carter has long been considered "weak" on foreign policy because he initially pursued a policy that favored human rights and treaty negotiations over LBJ and Nixonian power politics before shifting towards another Washington Consensus. Yet, Nixon went to China and Reagan pursued arms treaties with the Soviets. Over the combined 28 years of JFK-LBJ-Nixon-Ford-Reagan-Bush the United States betrayed more allies and shifted more sides than Jimmy Carter ever did. All of the former are "strong" while Carter is "weak" in the traditional picture. Bill Clinton was so afraid of appearing as "weak" that he intervened in more countries with force in his eight years than every President since Truman had combined.

There is no realignment involving libertarians rising to power within the Republican Party while the Republican Party rejects even its purported principles for pure power politics it perceives as necessary to preserve an America it hates for being "weak."

Not necessarily pretend there's nothing outside of USA but no more world police or warhawk bs.
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« Reply #5204 on: January 24, 2022, 10:56:48 AM »
If you don't actually want isolationism maybe don't talk about how much you want isolationism because it's "for the best"? America has always been a world actor, even at its most "isolationist" it simply avoided being bound to act rather than withdrawing from the world. When America was considered "isolationist" it was from the point of view of Yurop, it never acted that way in the Americas. The canon, Washington's Farewell Address, doesn't promote isolationism but argues against too wantonly accepting binding commitments like were (and are) common in Yurop. American treatment of NATO is one of the few instances where it actually has gone back on this though the American commitment to it has never really been seriously tested either.

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« Reply #5206 on: January 24, 2022, 12:06:31 PM »
This appears to be a subtweet:
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« Reply #5207 on: January 24, 2022, 12:34:35 PM »
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Mussolini was put in power by the Italian Monarchy, army, landowners, industrialists, and the Catholic Church following a general strike and a time of instability.
They were so afraid of an imminent revolution led by Socialists or Communists that they put the Fascists in power instead.

So Brenan basically says that he is voting for Biden because he's afraid of Bernie Sanders and AOC. 

Hitler and Mussolini weren't elected to power. They were appointed by the elite and only after being given their power did they legitimize it with a rigged election.
The claim that they won their victories based on public discontent is the big lie that everyone keeps spreading.

This happens throughout history, whenever the people revolt (or want to revolt) the elite put a pawn in power to control the masses.
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« Reply #5208 on: January 24, 2022, 12:36:57 PM »
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« Reply #5210 on: January 24, 2022, 12:58:44 PM »
Mussolini was put in power by the Italian Monarchy, army, landowners, industrialists, and the Catholic Church following a general strike and a time of instability.
They were so afraid of an imminent revolution led by Socialists or Communists that they put the Fascists in power instead.

So Brenan basically says that he is voting for Biden because he's afraid of Bernie Sanders and AOC. 

Hitler and Mussolini weren't elected to power. They were appointed by the elite and only after being given their power did they legitimize it with a rigged election.
The claim that they won their victories based on public discontent is the big lie that everyone keeps spreading.

This happens throughout history, whenever the people revolt (or want to revolt) the elite put a pawn in power to control the masses.
This is not accurate, both Mussolini and Hitler acquired power by legal means after failing to do so by illegal means. (Which is why their cases remain relevant to democracies.) Mussolini's legal rise to power is generally inexplicable because he had no real base of support yet the majority of Parliament enacted the Acerbo Law anyway. Hitler's also legal rise to power is not, he was the head of the largest party by far, his alliance held a plurality in the Bundestag and his position against the Republic held a majority. (Also the outlawing of the opposition parties was done by Weimar law where the President had already been ruling by decree for some time. The Enabling Act after all operated on the technicality that it was removing power from the Presidency to the Parliament.)

The criticism here is that the certain voters will apparently choose to vote for Mussolini, much like many Italian and German voters did choose to vote for Mussolini and Hitler, the fact that the latter never gave them an electoral majority is irrelevant.

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« Reply #5215 on: January 24, 2022, 03:36:00 PM »
Let them drink margaritas :lol
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« Reply #5216 on: January 24, 2022, 03:45:16 PM »
I agree with all of that. The Republicans right now are only temporarily embarrassed from their hawkish past. I am full on pro-isolationism. I don't think it's America's best position to get involved in a war outside our borders. I'm sorry if Russia takes over Europe. I hope it doesn't happen but I also don't think we should get involved unless they threaten US of A. China and Taiwan is a more delicate situation but thankfully China knows the rebuttal against that will be more world wide.
Lol, what happens to all those markets for American goods if the Russians "take over"?

Your lack of understanding of how the world works is phenomenal...
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« Reply #5218 on: January 24, 2022, 05:24:13 PM »
Now is the time for Biden to subvert expectations. Forget Russia. Your focus should be at home. Put birth control in the water supply. The repubs will never see it coming.
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« Reply #5219 on: January 24, 2022, 05:58:40 PM »
I agree with all of that. The Republicans right now are only temporarily embarrassed from their hawkish past. I am full on pro-isolationism. I don't think it's America's best position to get involved in a war outside our borders. I'm sorry if Russia takes over Europe. I hope it doesn't happen but I also don't think we should get involved unless they threaten US of A. China and Taiwan is a more delicate situation but thankfully China knows the rebuttal against that will be more world wide.
Lol, what happens to all those markets for American goods if the Russians "take over"?

Your lack of understanding of how the world works is phenomenal...

Who said anything about goods? I'm obviously talking about power and military. But that's what happens when you live in a country with influence and not a vulnerable nation in the middle of Asia. We can afford to not clean anyone's military messes. Who said anything about taking exports? You assumed all that from a single sentence? Are you dumb?  Did you not read this discussion being made in a military context?

Isolationism in an American context doesn't mean closing borders and killing anyone that lands like it's Japan post-Sengoku and into the Shogunate. It means basically non interventionism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_non-interventionism

You really are proving yourself to be a foreigner who has zero expertise to speak on American issues.

FYI I have been non interventionist since I was a teenager and we invaded Iraq.
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