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Dutch Elections |OT| A song of Covid and Climate
« on: January 23, 2021, 12:39:19 PM »
The ad campaign


The issues

- COVID-19
- OH NO THE ECONOMY
- Housing (climate regulations means most construction work has been halted, we're short about 600k homes and that number is rising)
- Healthcare (budget cuts have resulted in COVID patients being admitted to German hospitals)
- Immigration (500 asylum seekers enter our country on a weekly basis without the prospect of housing or employment and an increased chance of dying of COVID)
- Climate (the debate is lively)

Expectations
The country is expected to take a right turn, with center right and right wing parties taking 75% of the vote and the left 25% of the vote. However, the VVD does not want to govern with the PVV, FVD or SGP which means the current center right government coalition(VVD/CDA/D66) will be stuck with 30% - 40% of the vote and has to include a left wing party into their government. A lot of people might also vote stragetically for the VVD because they don't want the PVV to win. The second most likely outcome is that the election will be postponed so the governing coalition is less hampered by their recent scandals.

The pandemic and a number of scandals have unearthed a culture of government mistrust of its citizens as well as public servants lying to clueless politicans and even judges for their own gains and protection. This resulted in our government resigning a few weeks before the elections. They stil govern though, they just can't make any new 'big' decisions without a parliamentary vote.

We have a parliamentary system with a parliament of 150 seats, a coalition of 75 seats + 1 can govern. Technically a smaller coalition could as well but it would need support from opposition parties to govern. This happened before when the PVV supported a minority government of the VVD and CDA. However, real power lies with our sovereign King Willem Alexander. Or at least it would be if his family wasn't politically neutered generations ago. So we have what we call a 'Constitutional Monarchy'. Where the king is still the head of state but has a purely ceremonial and advisory role and no real political power.

Battle Royale Politics
PVV, VVD, D66... what the fuck. Welcome to the Dutch political system we don't have a 2 party system but a 10+ party system and a popular vote. There's also something called 'Wachtgeld (waiting money)' if an MP resigns or decides not to take their seat they receive money from the government until they find a new job. So in some cases people just join or create a party, show up in parliament for a few months and then resign or leave their party and keep their seat that's also possible and how some parties like Wilders' PVV were formed. 89 parties have signed up for the next election. But it is unlikely all of them will meet the requirements to be on the ballot.

Voting
Only people aged 65 and up can vote by mail. Other people have to vote in person during this pandemic. You could call this rigging an election or it could blow up in their face and only anti-vaxx people show up to vote because grandma forgets to mail and we end up with Emperor Thierry Baudet the 1st. Our government fucked up everything else lately so that would be a fitting end to Rutte's rule. Although at that point I think the Germans might intervene and I wouldn't blame them. Otherwise Democracy is well protected with Voter ID laws and voting machines.

Election day is March 17th 2021

Who are you voting for Nintex?
This election I might vote for the CDA but I'm conflicted. One of my high school friends is a local party member and I like what he did in our town. I also prefer Wopke over Rutte as Prime Minister. To strengthen his position I will likely vote on their number 2 Pieter Omtzigt. But there is the COVID stain and the clueless clown that is our health secretary who is a member of the party so at this point I'm undecided.

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VVD (center right)*
Peoples party of Freedom and Democracy (Our New Story)


Mark Rutte

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Our Prime Minister for the past decade. Doesn't take responsibilty for anything but has left the healthcare system and housing market in ruins. Was actually coasting to reelection until COVID-19 hit and a big scandal of ethnic profiling by the government made him resign. Technically a rightwing conservative party, they usually just take policies from other parties like the PVV and Groenlinks and repackage them as their own. Their current party program is quite 'big government' left but that's a trap for lefties because they'll never do any of those things. Rutte often brags about having no vision, saying that if you have a vision you are blinded by an elephant on the road or some shit.
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PVV (right)
Freedom Party (let's take back the Netherlands again)


Geert Wilders (Lawful Hitler)

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Former member of the VVD who is famous for his anti-Islam film 'Fitna' which forced him into hiding with police security 24/7. Was prosecuted and found guilty of 'hate speech' in a politically charged investigation but not sentenced.
Has sort of rebranded himself as the leading opposition party. Has to toe the line between his crazy base and moderate voters who are just sick of the VVD.
Always has been consistently critical of government healthcare policies. No one wants to govern with Wilders, so if he doesn't win big, he'll just be the biggest opposition party again.
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CDA (center right)*
Christian Democrats (now get going)


Wopke Hoekstra

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Party of the current finance minister, popular with women because of his good looks. I like him personally because he has a great vision for the country and has proposed rational and practical solutions.
Took over leadership of his party from our failing health minister Hugo de Jonge.
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D66 (center)*
Democrats '66 (It is time for new leadership)


Sigrid Kaag

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The wife of a former PLO member, diplomat and current interior secretary. She wants to become prime minister and her party would like the EU to become a federal superstate. It is believed that Rutte would rather have a job at the EU or NATO so he would've given her the job of prime minister in a new coalition government if she wasn't this unpopular. Public broadcaster is pushing her every week on late night TV and they aired a documentary, hasn't helped to make her popular.
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PvdA (center left)
Labour Party (For a fair future)


Lilliane Ploumen

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A once big social democratic labour party that has made itself irrelevant by selling out to corporate and NGO interests to the point where a former executive from Shell became their party leader. Public media likes this party a lot but only ~7% of the voters still care. They recently appointed a new leader and I think they just want to disband at this point or she just has to take the fall for their upcoming loss. The most talented and capable politicians in the party are currently the speaker of parliament and the popular mayor of Rotterdam.
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FVD (edgelord right)
Forum for Democracy (Take back the Netherlands with your vote)


Thierry Baudet (Chaotic Hitler)

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Won the senate elections in a Trump-like upset in 2019 but it all went downhill from there. A fan of Soros conspiracies and covered up for Nazi symphatizers in his own party also very Christian conservative and Jewish orthodox for some reason. Other party leaders tried to oust him in a coup but members of his party rallied behind him. Probably one of those parties that will carve out their own 2 or 3 seats for decades to come out of their loyal base. Currently running on a anti-lockdown platform. I liked it better when they were focused on grand visions for the future, individual freedom, the occasional PR stunt and optimism. Also very popular with the young ladies.
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CU (center) *
Christian Union (Give faith a vote)


Gert-Jan Segers

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The Christen Unie is a cookie cutter centrist party that loves Jesus. Sometimes they have these crazy bureaucratic ideas when they end up in government like a puberty register. This party is currently hampered by its blandless and will probably be decimated by the more popular CDA.
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SP (maoist left)
Socialist Party (Make an act)


Lillian Marijnissen

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The real socialists, they've done some great work recently in the opposition but are never rewarded for this by voters. They'll probably end up with ~10% as always. Some members soured on the party when the former leader appointed his daughter as the new leader (commies eh) at the expense of a fall guy. Some members soured on her because she had(has?) a relationship with a public TV broadcaster 20 or 30 years older than her. Oh politics. The platform is classic redistribution of wealth.
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SGP (ultra conservative right)
State Reformed Party (With Confidence)


Kees van der Staaij (Religious Hitler)

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Ultra conservative Christians. They've recently allowed women into their party and that's how backwards they are. They usually support the government in exchange for some symbolic victories (like closing stores on Sunday's for Jesus)
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Groenlinks (hipster left)
Green Left (More Future More Green Left)


Jesse Klaver

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The mostly white hipsters, students (of rich parents) and public servants who used to protest for Greenpeace. Amsterdam is now run by them and they've completely bungled it. The type of people that burn a forest to charge their iPhones and call it 'Green Energy'. Their leader was pretty popular with the ladies (a recurring theme in Dutch politics) but they've grown bored of him. They badly want to govern and the VVD has shown interest but it seems kind of unstable at the moment after their leader said he would ban all private ownership if it was up to him. Otherwise he just translates Obama and Trudeau speeches and copies their behaviour.
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Code Oranje (center right)
Code Orange (Time for ombudsman politics)


Richard de Mos

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A new party founded by the former PVV member Richard de Mos. Richard is a folksy guy and has attracted a number of very smart and competent people to join the ranks of his party to create what they call 'Ombudsman politics'. But he himself is tainted by a possible bribing scheme. Although Richard has said that if the allegations are true he will no longer be the leader of his party. A job likely reserved for Mick de Vlieger, son of Erik de Vlieger a famous Dutch businessman who now owns most of the resorts along the Portuguese coast. Erik has started a very popular podcast with his long time friend and investor Yves Gijrath, which is part genuine grievances and part a campaign vehicle for his son.
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JA21(conservative right)
YES 21 (The Right Answer)


Joost Eerdmans (Hipster Hitler)

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Following the FVD coup, two FVD members decided to form their own party. Joost Eerdmans was a prominent member of the LPF. The party of the gay professor Pim Fortuyn who was murdered on the eve of the 2002 elections by a Greenpeace activist after the media demonized him and the government failed to protect him. (which is why Geert Wilders is so well protected now). The other member is an obnoxious obese female blogger who has simps among the fringe right media. Oh politics.
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DENK (inshallah right)
THINK (#THINKdifferent)



Farid Azarkan

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This is literally a spin-off of Erdogan's APK that split from the PvdA. They said they would be the voice of minorities but have only fought eachother in a Gulen/Erdogan like spat which is on brand at least. A lot of minorities would really like a party that represents them and it is sad that most of those parties fail to deliver or use their trust as diversity tokens to further their own agenda.
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BIJ1 (resetera left)
WITH 1 (Participate for equality)


Sylvana Simons

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BIJ 1 is a new party formed by Sylvana Simons. A VJ and TV presenter from the 90's and early 00's. Miss Simons is now leading up the #BLM movement or at least, that's what she thinks she's doing. In reality she's just conning gullible people who want to be represented with insane platform that would make ResetEra blush. Their latest plan is to ban argiculture and farming.
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50+ (conservative right)
Ages 50 plus (The strength of plus)


Liliane de Haan

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We have a party for everyone aged 50 and up. Founded by the owner of a popular gay magazine, literally called the gay paper called Henk Krol (remember this name ;) ) Now he's left the party and the members that haven't died of COVID are still running for some reason and they've assigned someone who wasn't a party member to lead them. They're mostly greedy boomers who want to deny future generations their pensions.
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PvdD (animal right)
Animal Party (Plan B: Idealism is the new Realism)


Esther Ouwehand

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Sort of the dark horse in Dutch politics. What people assumed was a joke has grown in recent years. The animal party has gained a significant following and has moved beyond 'just animals'. They now have a wide variety of policy proposals and that Wuhan wet market thing has made their plans like a ban on meat and automated chicken farms less radical. Considering their authoritarian tendencies and elitist white leadership I would say the party of cat ladies is more right than left wing.
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Lijst Henk Krol (henk krol)
List Henk Krol (protect which is good, change what can be better)


Henk Krol

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Henk formed a new party :rejoice
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GO2021 (conservative right)
GO2021 (Realism and Grit)



Henk Otten (Fat Hitler)

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Henk formed his own party with some other former FVD politicans after participating in another party with the previous Henk and Femke.
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Splinter (independent from party politics)
Splinter (democracy in your hands)


Femke Merel van Kooten

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Femke Merel van Kooten split from the Partij van de Toekomst after leaving 50Plus with Henk Krol and started her own party because she believes that parliamentary members should be fully independent.
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De Libertarische Partij (right)
The Libertarians (More freedom, more life!)


Robert Valentine

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Yes, we have Libertarians. No they've never governed.
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Jezus Leeft! (jesus)
Jesus is Alive! (Jesus picked you, will you pick Jesus?)


Florens van der Spek

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This party believes Jesus is Alive.
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Disclaimer: These pictures are not biased, I've simply taken their Twitter profile pictures this is how these people prefer to present themselves: as child molestors, cult leaders, hipster Hitler or otherwise.
The party slogans are also not created by me, but actually the real slogans of these parties translated. Although not all of them translate well into another language. There might be more parties running, I will add them in the future once I get my sample ballot or I read about it in the news :doge
« Last Edit: January 23, 2021, 12:50:23 PM by Nintex »
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Re: Dutch Elections |OT| A song of Covid and Climate
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2021, 02:24:03 PM »
You have way too many political parties. Also it's funny how good looks don't matter that much across the Atlantic but all the white people love Jesus.

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Re: Dutch Elections |OT| A song of Covid and Climate
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2021, 03:19:01 PM »



Not sure about her politics, but I'd like to stick my splinter in her kooten
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2021, 03:23:30 PM »
I'll once again vote for the communist party, even though all of the parties are kinda garbage, cause that's where my ideals lie.

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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2021, 03:40:05 PM »
Which party is anti-5auGi/Gates/Chicoms?

They get my vote  :morans
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2021, 03:41:22 PM »
Probably SGP and FvD.

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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2021, 04:42:26 PM »
Is that a large pencil or a tiny woman?

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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2021, 06:11:51 PM »
Which party is anti-5auGi/Gates/Chicoms?

They get my vote  :morans
This clown Wybren van Haga who's a former member of the VVD and now the number 2 of the FVD.
Although the cynical part is that he's taking advantage of the anti-vaxx and conspiracy people for business interests.
Sometimes I wonder if van Haga was just a VVD plant to decimate the FVD and fuel Thierry's edgelord tendencies.
It really benefits them to have all these small parties, because with just 20% - 25% of the vote, they win 'landslide' victories.



I'll once again vote for the communist party, even though all of the parties are kinda garbage, cause that's where my ideals lie.
I honestly don't blame you. If you look at the right than the biggest parties are the VVD, their lapdog D66 or former members of the VVD who formed their own parties or switched parties.
Then you have the left/center who sold their souls for a chance taking turns to govern with the VVD and Groenlinks lining up to be next on the chopping block. Instead of parties ruling out the FVD and PVV, all parties should shun the VVD.

For example I wouldn't mind a CDA/PVV/SP government where CDA does foreign policy, security and economic policy, PVV handles healthcare and defense or whatever and the SP does migration, housing and welfare. On nearly every issue the SP is closer to the PVV than the VVD. Rutte is just scary right now.
He doesn't even care or show remorse about the people he pushed to suicide or evicted with his racist witch hunt on fraud and laughed like a psychopath during the entire debate.
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2021, 06:20:20 PM »
This is the worst season of RuPaul ever

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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2021, 07:30:12 AM »
The latest poll



Election in ~6 weeks, still no signs of delays because of COVID.
VVD despite fucking up literally everything still leading the polls.

VOLT was not on my list, it's an international left wing pro-European movement.
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2021, 08:47:15 AM »
Did you expect anything else from VVD voters?

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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2021, 02:06:15 PM »
I don't know a lot of people who still vote VVD.

Wopke has the right leaning folks excited and the lefties seem kinda undecided between Groenlinks, PvdA and D66. None seem excited about Sigrid Kaag or GroenLinks governing with the VVD.
The PVV and especially Geert Wilders gets a surprising amount of credit for a variety of things and most of the people I've spoken to are against other parties ruling them out.
However they wouldn't vote for Geert themselves.
 
Not a lot of interest in the shattered remains of the FVD. Mostly because those parties are too small to make a difference.
I do get the sense that quite a few people are still undecided who to vote for and the CDA/VVD split could turn around and the left could tactically back the PvdA to prevent Groenlinks from governing with the VVD.
Not many will change their mind about voting for Wilders anytime soon.
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2021, 08:36:23 AM »
 :no1curr

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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2021, 09:00:43 AM »
Dutch voting is like the special olympics, its all distinguished mentally-challenged
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2021, 02:43:38 PM »
Just post more photos of big tiddy blondes please
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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2021, 03:41:05 PM »
Picture of a ballot posted by an MP of D66



32 parties  :dead

I don't know what the Ubuntu Connected Front or BBB is  :doge
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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2021, 03:50:27 PM »
Als het aan UCF ligt zullen alle racistische fenomenen die refereren aan het verwerpelijk Nederlandse slavernijverleden en kolonialisme geheel verdwijnen. Er moet een verbod komen op alle (cultuur historische) tradities die racistische elementen bevatten.

https://ubuntuconnectedfront.com/doel-en-speerpunten/

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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2021, 04:02:13 PM »
Meanwhile the PVV has spend quite some money on dystopian ad locations in Rotterdam (as high as possible to prevent people from drawing Swastika's on Wilders head(?))

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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2021, 04:05:29 PM »

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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2021, 01:41:17 PM »
Another benefits scandal. People not paid back by the government after they discovered they had wrongly taxed them.
They slow walked the reimbursement process and send people notices to pay their tax bills and fines instead.

Also the VVD has been caught on campaign finance violations. Apparently one of their biggest donors organized fancy dinners and didn't report them.
The defense is that these were 'gatherings for friends' and not 'official campaign events'. It was only a coincidence that all those friends were party members, leaders and other wealthy elites.  :trumps

Meanwhile Thierry Baudet is holding Trump-like anti-government rallies in the suburbs

https://twitter.com/Bos_M/status/1363133087698325504
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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2021, 12:38:21 PM »
The poster wars have begun

Normies gotta normie


Fashy gotta fashy


Ree gotta reeeeeeee
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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2021, 07:13:40 PM »
The wank dad of the day, year forever award goes to....

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“I am not in favor of retroactive criminal law. I also consider the Nuremberg Tribunal illegitimate, ” said Baudet. "What you have to do is vote this regime out democratically."

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In a statement, FvD refers to, among other things, Baudet's thesis: “What he meant is that you cannot condemn people with laws that have only been passed after the facts have taken place. This is called the principle of legality and it forms the core of a constitutional state. Murder was and always is illegal and always unacceptable. The genocidal crimes committed by the Germans should and could have been punished under regular national law. ”

:info
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« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2021, 09:47:50 PM »
Although the cynical part is that he's taking advantage of the anti-vaxx and conspiracy people for business interests.
Sometimes I wonder if van Haga was just a VVD plant to decimate the FVD and fuel Thierry's edgelord tendencies.
It really benefits them to have all these small parties, because with just 20% - 25% of the vote, they win 'landslide' victories.

why?

in a system of proportional representation like hollands and ours it's not that weird for a big party to only get 20-25%. i wouldn't call it taking the better part of a year to form a government a "landslide victory"
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« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2021, 10:02:10 PM »
a "landslide victory" in a system of proportional representation looks like what Labour achieved in NZ. not that they'll use their overriding majority to do anything except pander to landowners as per
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« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2021, 03:49:22 PM »
Although the cynical part is that he's taking advantage of the anti-vaxx and conspiracy people for business interests.
Sometimes I wonder if van Haga was just a VVD plant to decimate the FVD and fuel Thierry's edgelord tendencies.
It really benefits them to have all these small parties, because with just 20% - 25% of the vote, they win 'landslide' victories.

why?

in a system of proportional representation like hollands and ours it's not that weird for a big party to only get 20-25%. i wouldn't call it taking the better part of a year to form a government a "landslide victory"
They're not a very big party though, they have fewer than 30k members but just some big donors and interests that support them including some media outlets.
The small parties benefit them because the other parties mostly eat away at the margins of their old time rivals like the PvdA(Labour) who has been decimated by Wilders on the right and Groenlinks on the left.
And because they rule out governing with a number of different parties only 60% of the vote actually 'counts' when it comes to forming a government.

FvD was the biggest threat to the VVD and they keep shooting in their own feet with wank dad and edgelord arguments but they are the only party against the current COVID policies and lockdown.
You can only vote by mail if you're 70 or older. Because of voter fraud fears  :doge
If sensible people stay safely indoors or are confident the VVD will win anyway, we could have similar scenes to the US elections where people who want the country to open up again show up at the polls and others do not.
They will lift the curfew 2 days before the election but will that be enough? FvD will not govern but if they win 8 or 10 seats instead of the projected 4 to 6 and Wilders still gets 25+ then there's a growing discontent in the country that the government can no longer afford to ignore and it would be nearly impossible to form a government.

The VVD has kept a strong position in the polls despite the scandals showing they have in fact implemented systematic racism when it comes to enforcing tax laws and welfare benefits.
In that sense I don't see the "FvD are Nazi's" attacks as particularly effective in stopping people from voting either VVD or FvD.
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« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2021, 03:52:08 PM »
I finally found some VVD voters today.

1. "I won't be fair to judge them on their failure in handling the pandemic"  :dizzy

2. "The economy is doing pretty good"  :wtf
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« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2021, 05:07:51 AM »
How many of those parties have a chance to be represented in parliament?
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« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2021, 05:09:33 AM »
At the moment it's looking like at least 5.

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« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2021, 12:24:09 PM »
How many of those parties have a chance to be represented in parliament?

According to the latest poll, a lot



Talked to a GroenLinks member today who is now undecided between the Animal Party and FvD  :doge
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« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2021, 03:45:34 AM »
Last night at the debate they talked about diversity in the cabinet and Wilders said he would appoint Zwarte Piet as secretary of culture  :dead
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Re: Dutch Elections |OT| A song of Covid and Climate
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2021, 04:33:43 AM »
Last night at the debate they talked about diversity in the cabinet and Wilders said he would appoint Zwarte Piet as secretary of culture  :dead
Fun fact: Australia has considered blocking Wilders from entering the country and he's been previously placed on the Movement Alert List, a database of people of concern to Australia.

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Re: Dutch Elections |OT| A song of Covid and Climate
« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2021, 11:11:36 AM »
Really split on Florens van der Spek Baudet.

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Re: Dutch Elections |OT| A song of Covid and Climate
« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2021, 12:27:02 PM »
Really split on Florens van der Spek Baudet.
One believes that Jesus is alive, the other believes he is Jesus.

"I don't have time for this, I need to save a country" - Thierry Baudet


My man Wopke totally flopped. He's not even an option anymore. The man can litterally only talk in general statements or platitudes and couldn't give a single straight answer to any question.
Worst part when they confronted him with 2 voters, business owners of a small restaurant not being able to make ends meet. And he literally said: "I've talked to a lot of business owners and I know about their struggles" after they asked him why their aid was delayed by 2 months.
He keeps talking in third person when two people are standing in front of him and during the debate he didn't even acknowledge his opponents and just talked into the camera. It was the worst debate performance I've ever seen.  :doge
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Re: Dutch Elections |OT| A song of Covid and Climate
« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2021, 12:45:14 PM »
Watched some left wing politicians getting interviewed on TV the other day.

The MSM keeps asking them if they are 'woke' enough and in the same shows voters tell them to stop with the woke identity bullshit that does nothing to solve the real issues people have.
So they're either too woke or not woke enough and both groups are leaning towards either not voting because they lost trust in the politicians or voting for the new more woke parties.

The gap between the MSM and actual left wing voters is quite something to behold and this is supposed be their audience.  :doge
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Re: Dutch Elections |OT| A song of Covid and Climate
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2021, 03:48:13 PM »
Watched some left wing politicians getting interviewed on TV the other day.

The MSM keeps asking them if they are 'woke' enough and in the same shows voters tell them to stop with the woke identity bullshit that does nothing to solve the real issues people have.
So they're either too woke or not woke enough and both groups are leaning towards either not voting because they lost trust in the politicians or voting for the new more woke parties.

The gap between the MSM and actual left wing voters is quite something to behold and this is supposed be their audience.  :doge
This is the dilemma for all centre left parties at the moment. Over here, the Labor Party is getting wedged between its traditional working class/union base and the inner city upper middle class woke voters. The woke set are drifting towards The Greens and the working class are occasionally drifting towards the centre right.
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Re: Dutch Elections |OT| A song of Covid and Climate
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2021, 06:50:27 PM »
Watched some left wing politicians getting interviewed on TV the other day.

The MSM keeps asking them if they are 'woke' enough and in the same shows voters tell them to stop with the woke identity bullshit that does nothing to solve the real issues people have.
So they're either too woke or not woke enough and both groups are leaning towards either not voting because they lost trust in the politicians or voting for the new more woke parties.

The gap between the MSM and actual left wing voters is quite something to behold and this is supposed be their audience.  :doge
This is the dilemma for all centre left parties at the moment. Over here, the Labor Party is getting wedged between its traditional working class/union base and the inner city upper middle class woke voters. The woke set are drifting towards The Greens and the working class are occasionally drifting towards the centre right.
Part of the problem for the traditional left is also that at least in their party platform the conservative VVD party has moved considerably to the left. From writing: "A government should not interfere with your lives" in their previous party program to: "We should have a big and strong government". Which ends up with the Christian Democrats having a more conservative party platform this time around. Pretty much erasing any chance of winning by proposing austerity. Mark Rutte has no vision and always proudly proclaims he has no vision. So he just has the VVD adapt whatever is popular. In fact, the guy that wrote the party platform and was seen as his successor will leave the party after the next election. Rutte and his VVD are just an empty shell, bureaucrats carrying out the EU and WEF agenda of 'build back better' by now ruling as autocrats with emergency COVID laws in the name of stability. The CDA does not dare to stand up to them, D66 needs them to carry out the EU agenda because they don't have the votes and the Greens are willing to do anything to govern because running Amsterdam into the ground has cost them dearly in the polls.

The MSM is too afraid of Baudet's FvD and Wilders' PVV (who both want to abolish the public broadcasting channels for being biased) to critizize the government in any meaningful way. So they mainly push D66, which has no chance of winning but their editorial staff have connections and sometimes even relationships with D66 and PvdA party members (hence the bias). They aired a sickening propaganda piece prior the election about the new D66 leader. What the left wing voters also don't understand is that they've already served their purpose. Intstalling many prominent party members in high ranking EU positions. Which is where the real power lies. By the time FvD, PVV or even the Greens have gathered enough votes to beat Rutte he will be EU President.
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