Dutch Elections |OT| A song of Covid and Climate

[Nintex]

The ad campaign


The issues

- COVID-19
- OH NO THE ECONOMY
- Housing (climate regulations means most construction work has been halted, we're short about 600k homes and that number is rising)
- Healthcare (budget cuts have resulted in COVID patients being admitted to German hospitals)
- Immigration (500 asylum seekers enter our country on a weekly basis without the prospect of housing or employment and an increased chance of dying of COVID)
- Climate (the debate is lively)

Expectations
The country is expected to take a right turn, with center right and right wing parties taking 75% of the vote and the left 25% of the vote. However, the VVD does not want to govern with the PVV, FVD or SGP which means the current center right government coalition(VVD/CDA/D66) will be stuck with 30% - 40% of the vote and has to include a left wing party into their government. A lot of people might also vote stragetically for the VVD because they don't want the PVV to win. The second most likely outcome is that the election will be postponed so the governing coalition is less hampered by their recent scandals.

The pandemic and a number of scandals have unearthed a culture of government mistrust of its citizens as well as public servants lying to clueless politicans and even judges for their own gains and protection. This resulted in our government resigning a few weeks before the elections. They stil govern though, they just can't make any new 'big' decisions without a parliamentary vote.

We have a parliamentary system with a parliament of 150 seats, a coalition of 75 seats + 1 can govern. Technically a smaller coalition could as well but it would need support from opposition parties to govern. This happened before when the PVV supported a minority government of the VVD and CDA. However, real power lies with our sovereign King Willem Alexander. Or at least it would be if his family wasn't politically neutered generations ago. So we have what we call a 'Constitutional Monarchy'. Where the king is still the head of state but has a purely ceremonial and advisory role and no real political power.

Battle Royale Politics
PVV, VVD, D66... what the fuck. Welcome to the Dutch political system we don't have a 2 party system but a 10+ party system and a popular vote. There's also something called 'Wachtgeld (waiting money)' if an MP resigns or decides not to take their seat they receive money from the government until they find a new job. So in some cases people just join or create a party, show up in parliament for a few months and then resign or leave their party and keep their seat that's also possible and how some parties like Wilders' PVV were formed. 89 parties have signed up for the next election. But it is unlikely all of them will meet the requirements to be on the ballot.

Voting
Only people aged 65 and up can vote by mail. Other people have to vote in person during this pandemic. You could call this rigging an election or it could blow up in their face and only anti-vaxx people show up to vote because grandma forgets to mail and we end up with Emperor Thierry Baudet the 1st. Our government fucked up everything else lately so that would be a fitting end to Rutte's rule. Although at that point I think the Germans might intervene and I wouldn't blame them. Otherwise Democracy is well protected with Voter ID laws and voting machines.

Election day is March 17th 2021

Who are you voting for Nintex?
This election I might vote for the CDA but I'm conflicted. One of my high school friends is a local party member and I like what he did in our town. I also prefer Wopke over Rutte as Prime Minister. To strengthen his position I will likely vote on their number 2 Pieter Omtzigt. But there is the COVID stain and the clueless clown that is our health secretary who is a member of the party so at this point I'm undecided.

I've ruled out voting for the CDA and their McKinsey consultant. So now I'm undecided.

* = current government coalition

Most likely winner!!!

VVD (center right)*
Peoples party of Freedom and Democracy (Our New Story)


Mark Rutte

His lead is significant but so are his recent failures. Laughing voters in the face while they emotionally told their story about poverty and death wasn't helpful.
Won ~3 more seats


Toss-up runner up

D66 (center)*
Democrats '66 (It is time for new leadership)


Sigrid Kaag

Wants to be the first female PM but has no chance against Rutte and has seemingly accepted a government post. If Wilders voters give up and CDA and GroenLinks continue to implode she could make it to second place.
With Rutte failing, the public broadcasting channels airing her propaganda day in and day out and her party accepting some very large donations, she's gaining the most from other parties imploding and could beat Rutte in a last minute upset.
Then again there's also a significant number of people that hate D66 with a passion and could rally behind PVV and FvD instead.

With CDA flopping and the left toeing the Rutte line Kaag has surged to second place with 27 seats. The best result for her party in history.

Biggest opposition party

PVV (right)
Freedom Party (let's take back the Netherlands again)


Geert Wilders

Wilders campaign has hit a snag as it seems unlikely he can overcome Rutte in just 2 more days of campaigning.
Some VVD voters will jump ship but it won't be enough and he has Baudet eating away at his flanks.

This happened, Wilders seemed happy to be back in the opposition

Dark horse

FVD (edgelord right)
Forum for Democracy (Liberate the Netherlands)


Thierry Baudet (Chaotic Hitler)

The only politician actually campaigning in an all or nothing wank dad bet but unless a miracle happens that would be 4 seats at best and otherwise a Trump 2016 upset. I'm not seeing it happening though.
Already polling at 6 seats but pollsters admit a lot of voters are still undecided, rallies are packed and the latest developments including our government failing to count the mail in ballots benefit FvD the most.
The media and his rivals have tried everything to stop him but he keeps gaining momentum as the candidate who promises to open up the country the day after the election.

Thierry got 8 seats, quadrupling his current 2 seats and the expected result for his party just a month ago. Big question if he accepts this outcome as he probably expected more and if his voters accept that the country won't open up tommorow. Still they served their purpose to keep his party in parliament

Losers

CDA (center right)*
Christian Democrats (now get going)


Wopke Hoekstra

Wopke can't answer a single yes/no question, proposed austerity and benefit cuts during a health crisis. His party is in shambles and he doesn't know what's in their program.

This ended in a big devastating loss for his party

Groenlinks (hipster left)
Green Left (More Future More Green Left)


Jesse Klaver

Imploded, called an 'empty vessel with no ideas' will lose to Kaag

Yep, lost big time. Probably has to resign as leader

The other parties don't seem relevant anymore.
True, the farmers got 1 seat, the crazy Black Lives Matters lady got 1 seat. The party that split from FvD got 3 seats and already proposed teaming up with Thierry again 


The classic greens, democratic socialists and communists have been completely wiped out, 25 seats in total. 1/6th of the total number of votes. 

Disclaimer: These pictures are not biased, I've simply taken their Twitter profile pictures this is how these people prefer to present themselves: as child molestors, cult leaders, hipster Hitler or otherwise.
The party slogans are also not created by me, but actually the real slogans of these parties translated. Although not all of them translate well into another language. There might be more parties running, I will add them in the future once I get my sample ballot or I read about it in the news

[brawndolicious]

You have way too many political parties. Also it's funny how good looks don't matter that much across the Atlantic but all the white people love Jesus.

[Potato]

Not sure about her politics, but I'd like to stick my splinter in her kooten

[HardcoreRetro]

I'll once again vote for the communist party, even though all of the parties are kinda garbage, cause that's where my ideals lie.

[BIONIC]

Which party is anti-5auGi/Gates/Chicoms?

They get my vote 

[HardcoreRetro]

Probably SGP and FvD.

[benjipwns]

Is that a large pencil or a tiny woman?

[Nintex]

Which party is anti-5auGi/Gates/Chicoms?

They get my vote 

This clown Wybren van Haga who's a former member of the VVD and now the number 2 of the FVD.
Although the cynical part is that he's taking advantage of the anti-vaxx and conspiracy people for business interests.
Sometimes I wonder if van Haga was just a VVD plant to decimate the FVD and fuel Thierry's edgelord tendencies.
It really benefits them to have all these small parties, because with just 20% - 25% of the vote, they win 'landslide' victories.

I'll once again vote for the communist party, even though all of the parties are kinda garbage, cause that's where my ideals lie.

I honestly don't blame you. If you look at the right than the biggest parties are the VVD, their lapdog D66 or former members of the VVD who formed their own parties or switched parties.
Then you have the left/center who sold their souls for a chance taking turns to govern with the VVD and Groenlinks lining up to be next on the chopping block. Instead of parties ruling out the FVD and PVV, all parties should shun the VVD.

For example I wouldn't mind a CDA/PVV/SP government where CDA does foreign policy, security and economic policy, PVV handles healthcare and defense or whatever and the SP does migration, housing and welfare. On nearly every issue the SP is closer to the PVV than the VVD. Rutte is just scary right now.
He doesn't even care or show remorse about the people he pushed to suicide or evicted with his racist witch hunt on fraud and laughed like a psychopath during the entire debate.

[Tasty]

This is the worst season of RuPaul ever

[Nintex]

The latest poll



Election in ~6 weeks, still no signs of delays because of COVID.
VVD despite fucking up literally everything still leading the polls.

VOLT was not on my list, it's an international left wing pro-European movement.

[HardcoreRetro]

Did you expect anything else from VVD voters?

[Nintex]

I don't know a lot of people who still vote VVD.

Wopke has the right leaning folks excited and the lefties seem kinda undecided between Groenlinks, PvdA and D66. None seem excited about Sigrid Kaag or GroenLinks governing with the VVD.
The PVV and especially Geert Wilders gets a surprising amount of credit for a variety of things and most of the people I've spoken to are against other parties ruling them out.
However they wouldn't vote for Geert themselves.
 
Not a lot of interest in the shattered remains of the FVD. Mostly because those parties are too small to make a difference.
I do get the sense that quite a few people are still undecided who to vote for and the CDA/VVD split could turn around and the left could tactically back the PvdA to prevent Groenlinks from governing with the VVD.
Not many will change their mind about voting for Wilders anytime soon.

[Raist]

 

[MMaRsu]

Dutch voting is like the special olympics, its all distinguished mentally-challenged

[Potato]

Just post more photos of big tiddy blondes please

[Nintex]

Picture of a ballot posted by an MP of D66



32 parties 

I don't know what the Ubuntu Connected Front or BBB is 

[MMaRsu]

Als het aan UCF ligt zullen alle racistische fenomenen die refereren aan het verwerpelijk Nederlandse slavernijverleden en kolonialisme geheel verdwijnen. Er moet een verbod komen op alle (cultuur historische) tradities die racistische elementen bevatten.

https://ubuntuconnectedfront.com/doel-en-speerpunten/

 

[Nintex]

Meanwhile the PVV has spend quite some money on dystopian ad locations in Rotterdam (as high as possible to prevent people from drawing Swastika's on Wilders head(?))

[MMaRsu]

[Nintex]

Another benefits scandal. People not paid back by the government after they discovered they had wrongly taxed them.
They slow walked the reimbursement process and send people notices to pay their tax bills and fines instead.

Also the VVD has been caught on campaign finance violations. Apparently one of their biggest donors organized fancy dinners and didn't report them.
The defense is that these were 'gatherings for friends' and not 'official campaign events'. It was only a coincidence that all those friends were party members, leaders and other wealthy elites. 

Meanwhile Thierry Baudet is holding Trump-like anti-government rallies in the suburbs

https://twitter.com/Bos_M/status/1363133087698325504

[Nintex]

The poster wars have begun

Normies gotta normie


Fashy gotta fashy


Ree gotta reeeeeeee

[Nintex]

The wank dad of the day, year forever award goes to....

“I am not in favor of retroactive criminal law. I also consider the Nuremberg Tribunal illegitimate, ” said Baudet. "What you have to do is vote this regime out democratically."

In a statement, FvD refers to, among other things, Baudet's thesis: “What he meant is that you cannot condemn people with laws that have only been passed after the facts have taken place. This is called the principle of legality and it forms the core of a constitutional state. Murder was and always is illegal and always unacceptable. The genocidal crimes committed by the Germans should and could have been punished under regular national law. ”

[naff]

Although the cynical part is that he's taking advantage of the anti-vaxx and conspiracy people for business interests.
Sometimes I wonder if van Haga was just a VVD plant to decimate the FVD and fuel Thierry's edgelord tendencies.
It really benefits them to have all these small parties, because with just 20% - 25% of the vote, they win 'landslide' victories.

why?

in a system of proportional representation like hollands and ours it's not that weird for a big party to only get 20-25%. i wouldn't call it taking the better part of a year to form a government a "landslide victory"

[naff]

a "landslide victory" in a system of proportional representation looks like what Labour achieved in NZ. not that they'll use their overriding majority to do anything except pander to landowners as per

[Nintex]

Although the cynical part is that he's taking advantage of the anti-vaxx and conspiracy people for business interests.
Sometimes I wonder if van Haga was just a VVD plant to decimate the FVD and fuel Thierry's edgelord tendencies.
It really benefits them to have all these small parties, because with just 20% - 25% of the vote, they win 'landslide' victories.

why?

in a system of proportional representation like hollands and ours it's not that weird for a big party to only get 20-25%. i wouldn't call it taking the better part of a year to form a government a "landslide victory"

They're not a very big party though, they have fewer than 30k members but just some big donors and interests that support them including some media outlets.
The small parties benefit them because the other parties mostly eat away at the margins of their old time rivals like the PvdA(Labour) who has been decimated by Wilders on the right and Groenlinks on the left.
And because they rule out governing with a number of different parties only 60% of the vote actually 'counts' when it comes to forming a government.

FvD was the biggest threat to the VVD and they keep shooting in their own feet with wank dad and edgelord arguments but they are the only party against the current COVID policies and lockdown.
You can only vote by mail if you're 70 or older. Because of voter fraud fears 
If sensible people stay safely indoors or are confident the VVD will win anyway, we could have similar scenes to the US elections where people who want the country to open up again show up at the polls and others do not.
They will lift the curfew 2 days before the election but will that be enough? FvD will not govern but if they win 8 or 10 seats instead of the projected 4 to 6 and Wilders still gets 25+ then there's a growing discontent in the country that the government can no longer afford to ignore and it would be nearly impossible to form a government.

The VVD has kept a strong position in the polls despite the scandals showing they have in fact implemented systematic racism when it comes to enforcing tax laws and welfare benefits.
In that sense I don't see the "FvD are Nazi's" attacks as particularly effective in stopping people from voting either VVD or FvD.

[Nintex]

I finally found some VVD voters today.

1. "I won't be fair to judge them on their failure in handling the pandemic" 

2. "The economy is doing pretty good" 

[Fifstar]

How many of those parties have a chance to be represented in parliament?

[HardcoreRetro]

At the moment it's looking like at least 5.

[Nintex]

How many of those parties have a chance to be represented in parliament?

According to the latest poll, a lot



Talked to a GroenLinks member today who is now undecided between the Animal Party and FvD 

[Nintex]

Last night at the debate they talked about diversity in the cabinet and Wilders said he would appoint Zwarte Piet as secretary of culture 

[Potato]

Last night at the debate they talked about diversity in the cabinet and Wilders said he would appoint Zwarte Piet as secretary of culture 

Fun fact: Australia has considered blocking Wilders from entering the country and he's been previously placed on the Movement Alert List, a database of people of concern to Australia.

Anyway, less politics and more big tiddy milfs please Nintex.

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[Mr Gilhaney]

Really split on Florens van der Spek Baudet.

[Nintex]

Really split on Florens van der Spek Baudet.

One believes that Jesus is alive, the other believes he is Jesus.

"I don't have time for this, I need to save a country" - Thierry Baudet


My man Wopke totally flopped. He's not even an option anymore. The man can litterally only talk in general statements or platitudes and couldn't give a single straight answer to any question.
Worst part when they confronted him with 2 voters, business owners of a small restaurant not being able to make ends meet. And he literally said: "I've talked to a lot of business owners and I know about their struggles" after they asked him why their aid was delayed by 2 months.
He keeps talking in third person when two people are standing in front of him and during the debate he didn't even acknowledge his opponents and just talked into the camera. It was the worst debate performance I've ever seen. 

[Nintex]

Watched some left wing politicians getting interviewed on TV the other day.

The MSM keeps asking them if they are 'woke' enough and in the same shows voters tell them to stop with the woke identity bullshit that does nothing to solve the real issues people have.
So they're either too woke or not woke enough and both groups are leaning towards either not voting because they lost trust in the politicians or voting for the new more woke parties.

The gap between the MSM and actual left wing voters is quite something to behold and this is supposed be their audience. 

[Potato]

Watched some left wing politicians getting interviewed on TV the other day.

The MSM keeps asking them if they are 'woke' enough and in the same shows voters tell them to stop with the woke identity bullshit that does nothing to solve the real issues people have.
So they're either too woke or not woke enough and both groups are leaning towards either not voting because they lost trust in the politicians or voting for the new more woke parties.

The gap between the MSM and actual left wing voters is quite something to behold and this is supposed be their audience. 

This is the dilemma for all centre left parties at the moment. Over here, the Labor Party is getting wedged between its traditional working class/union base and the inner city upper middle class woke voters. The woke set are drifting towards The Greens and the working class are occasionally drifting towards the centre right.

[Nintex]

Watched some left wing politicians getting interviewed on TV the other day.

The MSM keeps asking them if they are 'woke' enough and in the same shows voters tell them to stop with the woke identity bullshit that does nothing to solve the real issues people have.
So they're either too woke or not woke enough and both groups are leaning towards either not voting because they lost trust in the politicians or voting for the new more woke parties.

The gap between the MSM and actual left wing voters is quite something to behold and this is supposed be their audience. 

This is the dilemma for all centre left parties at the moment. Over here, the Labor Party is getting wedged between its traditional working class/union base and the inner city upper middle class woke voters. The woke set are drifting towards The Greens and the working class are occasionally drifting towards the centre right.

Part of the problem for the traditional left is also that at least in their party platform the conservative VVD party has moved considerably to the left. From writing: "A government should not interfere with your lives" in their previous party program to: "We should have a big and strong government". Which ends up with the Christian Democrats having a more conservative party platform this time around. Pretty much erasing any chance of winning by proposing austerity. Mark Rutte has no vision and always proudly proclaims he has no vision. So he just has the VVD adapt whatever is popular. In fact, the guy that wrote the party platform and was seen as his successor will leave the party after the next election. Rutte and his VVD are just an empty shell, bureaucrats carrying out the EU and WEF agenda of 'build back better' by now ruling as autocrats with emergency COVID laws in the name of stability. The CDA does not dare to stand up to them, D66 needs them to carry out the EU agenda because they don't have the votes and the Greens are willing to do anything to govern because running Amsterdam into the ground has cost them dearly in the polls.

The MSM is too afraid of Baudet's FvD and Wilders' PVV (who both want to abolish the public broadcasting channels for being biased) to critizize the government in any meaningful way. So they mainly push D66, which has no chance of winning but their editorial staff have connections and sometimes even relationships with D66 and PvdA party members (hence the bias). They aired a sickening propaganda piece prior the election about the new D66 leader. What the left wing voters also don't understand is that they've already served their purpose. Intstalling many prominent party members in high ranking EU positions. Which is where the real power lies. By the time FvD, PVV or even the Greens have gathered enough votes to beat Rutte he will be EU President.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/FTLifeArts/status/1369641725564715009

with a week to go, Rutte the man with no morals, vision, values or ideas wins again

I've updated the OP to reflect the current state of the parties.
If the opposition keeps imploding this'll be a Putin-esque landslide at this rate.

[MMaRsu]

I could give a fuck if he lives in a mansion or a regular appartment, he's doing a shit job

clown should step down for all the lies and 'mistakes' that happened under his watch

but nahh mister aint responsible for all that, just the head of the government here lalalala dont mind me guys

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/detgrim/status/1369776670329147394

 

[MMaRsu]

And couldnt figure out inception

[team filler]

starting to think netherlands is just a made up country 

[Nintex]

And couldnt figure out inception

It was also very entertaining how the self proclaimed 'intellectual' could seemingly not double task and hold is train of thought playing Twisted Metal and answering questions on Twitch about the secret agenda undermining conservative values in Assassins Creed games 

And finally there was a clip I saw where Baudet said that people who would become composers and other 'geniuses' in the 16th century were probably gamers right now considering it takes a lot of intelligence and skill to play video games.

[Tasty]

And finally there was a clip I saw where Baudet said that people who would become composers and other 'geniuses' in the 16th century were probably gamers right now considering it takes a lot of intelligence and skill to play video games.

In the sense that most geniuses in history were probably undiagnosed neuro-atypicals, he might be right.

[Nintex]

In other news, I got my ballot today. Help me pick 

VOTER FRAUD

[close]

Here it is with a copy of Xenoblade for scale

pick the candidates with large milkers 

I'm only allowed to vote for 1 candidate out of this entire mess.
Also the real ballot is usually printed bigger than the example ballot.

[team filler]

pick the candidates with large milkers 

[samir]

Dutch milkmaids 

[Nintex]

The media tried to destroy Baudet.

They failed and had to apologize

so today

https://twitter.com/fvdemocratie/status/1370379380938186761


Also the campaign plans of D66 Amsterdam leaked. The party pushing for better cyber security 

[MMaRsu]

The media tried to destroy Baudet.

They failed and had to apologize

so today

https://twitter.com/fvdemocratie/status/1370379380938186761


Also the campaign plans of D66 Amsterdam leaked. The party pushing for better cyber security 

Plenty of morons in the netherlands, Leeuwarden is no exception

Also fuck Baudet

[HardcoreRetro]

I'm enjoying the VVD commercials where people stand next to a Rutte cardboard cutout and talk about how well he handled everything.

If Baudet had any balls he'd have stayed and roasted Martijn Koning.

Hij heeft zijn achternaam wel mee met zijn Habsburgse kin. Martijn Inteelt. Had Jinek na de tijd gevraagd wanneer de cabaretier komt.

[Nintex]

I'm enjoying the VVD commercials where people stand next to a Rutte cardboard cutout and talk about how well he handled everything.

If Baudet had any balls he'd have stayed and roasted Martijn Koning.

Hij heeft zijn achternaam wel mee met zijn Habsburgse kin. Martijn Inteelt. Had Jinek na de tijd gevraagd wanneer de cabaretier komt.

On that note my jaw hit the floor when Rutte said to Wilders that the country was doing amazing after Wilders told a story about a cancer patient denied healthcare. 

[MMaRsu]

But honestly why watch Jinek, everything on Dutch tv is legit trash

I wouldnt want to watch that shit

Did see the Konings clip, that guy seems dumb as hell too

[Nintex]

But honestly why watch Jinek, everything on Dutch tv is legit trash

I wouldnt want to watch that shit

Did see the Konings clip, that guy seems dumb as hell too

I don't know


Back in university one of my friends going by PiRANiA on Fok! hacked the server of the public broadcasting channel and downloaded the famous test footage.
It was pretty wild when it blew up and I was like: "Woah, that's what we were downloading in class today" . Nowadays he works for a big security firm.

[MMaRsu]

if that does it for you all the more power to you 

[Nintex]

Be Mark Rutte

Get a question from a supporter who is in debt and talking about the dire situation he's in. Thinking about not voting for your party for the first time in 10 years.

Laugh at him

Voter gets angry

Say you didn't laugh at him

 

[MMaRsu]

Rutte is the biggest douche. Absolutely not understandable why this clown wont step down

[HardcoreRetro]

Their party line is literally the rich get richer. I don't think any of these cunts actually care about anything but their own wallet.

[MMaRsu]

Yeah no surprise there

[Nintex]

Their party line is literally the rich get richer. I don't think any of these cunts actually care about anything but their own wallet.

I'm not sure if this is true anymore. The party line seems to be 'we stay in power no matter how much we fuck up'.
Their top 20 candidates have a combined business experience of 0 years, compared to 30 years at the PVV and 60 years at the FVD.
Of the top 20 about 8 are personal assistants of the ministers. Rutte himself was also just a HR manager and history teacher before he failed upwards in the party ranks.

Confronted by this Rutte called being a civil servant a 'profession'.
D66 is the new party of the rich establishment. From bankers and CEO's to media heads and tech millionaires.
The VVD obviously still has its fair share of crooks and villains but it has shifted in recent years.

The LPF route is not the answer (when Heinsbroek pulled up in his Bentley) but I think it is important that politicians have some experience other than being a politician,
which is what the current norm at parties like GroenLinks and the VVD is. I think part of Rutte's appeal is his stingyness, when asked if we should spend more money on healthcare or education or his reply is always: "Oof, we already a spend a lot on <--->", "We can't solve all the problems with more money". He said that to an ICU nurse who asked why they weren't able to scale up healthcare capacity within a year.

Erik de Vlieger called him a 'pscychopath' and looking at this campaign and interactions with voters that is an accurate description of the man.
I think he will crash and burn like Balkenende did. Maybe not this COVID election but certainly after another 2 years of failed promises and a very unstable coalition.

[Nintex]

Lot of confusion counting the mail in ballots

https://twitter.com/MauriceVeschuur/status/1371472484529242113

 

Should I open this?

No no, you should never open it, now it's invalid

But on that other table they're opening them

oh no no you must never do that

Wait I have it here, I think

I'll just seal it again to restore the vote


Only elderly (70 or older) can vote by mail. You had to send your voter ID and ballot in a seperate envelope.
Of course many people put them both in a single envelope, only send in their ballot or only their voter ID. 
One town is already reporting ~10% invalid mail-in votes. 

[MMaRsu]

Cant trust old people to do anything right, not in the least counting