Other Forums Containment Thread

[railGUN]

As someone who works with non-profits and charities as a day job, the idea that a lot of people really truly thought the money Era brought in was going to charity rings incredibly hollow to me.

Really? You thought that? Based on what? I'm honestly asking.

What charities?

Where were they being advertised?

I don't think I've ever worked for a fundraiser or charitable non-profit that didn't list, explicitly and obviously, what specific charity (or class of charities) the funds raised were going to.

And whenever Era HAS partnered with a charity for a specific purpose, we've made it known.

Weird flex but okay?

[benjipwns]

People keep mentioning Pau but she admitted she didn’t do shit in any case. At least Slayven post shit threads.

Irrelevant. Pau disproves the staff's continued claim that they were united in not wanting any pay. (As well as muddies the claim that nothing with the staff will change under the new owners.)

Plus she's a non-white woman from the Global South. In a true progressive stack she is nearly a queen.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

The whole cracker thing on there being boiled down to “stop being offended cracker, WHITE FRAGILITY” and hand waved away is just beyond messed up  that portion of the thread was legitimately a reverse Stormfront moment

So of course the ones that started it on Era blame others for finding it weird and not at all cool.

Not really. I'm no expert but from what I can remember from the couple of times I read Stomfront the users there weren't allowed to use any racial slurs. Stormfront literally held their users to higher posting standard than Era does with regard to racial slurs.

[remy]

Reset members I understand your frustration, come to the bire where the tags flow like wine

[Boredfrom]

People keep mentioning Pau but she admitted she didn’t do shit in any case. At least Slayven post shit threads.

Irrelevant. Pau disproves the staff's continued claim that they were united in not wanting any pay.

Plus she's a non-white woman from the Global South. In the progressive stack she is nearly a queen.

Nobody will remember her at that forum, and the staff rotate so much that I will not surprised that the mod canal has never interacted with half of the mod staff. Hell, Pau was more nutty and outspoken at Gaf.

[benjipwns]

A lot of right-wing (let alone far-right white supremacist) sites I've seen don't allow curse words of any kind and slurs would probably fall under that.

[benjipwns]

the staff rotate so much that I will not surprised that the mod canal has never interacted with half of the mod staff.

Not going to bother to find it for you, but I shared a post a few days back where one of the current ResetERA.com moderators was discussing people who had never been moderators with another user as if they had been founding members of the site.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

biphobic

lol

[benjipwns]

I take back what I said about Royalan. This is a better example of a man who has absolutely zero self-respect of any kind: https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/post-75488691

You can think the rules regarding the use of the word cracker need to be revised, but until they are, Morrigan didn't cross any lines with what she said. And I have no reason to doubt that Labor had an alt and that's just a bannable part of the TOS. If you think the timing of it is suspicious in that the mods started to look into him because he was shitting on them, but that's not dishonest or unfair moderation, it's just basic human nature that if someone is a problem for you, they are more likely to take up your attention, which increases chances of spotting if someone broke the rules, which resulted in his status as an alt surfacing where it might not have if he was just posting normal circumstances. I mean, whats the alternative here, that they spot that he's an alt, but don't do anything because it might hurt their image since he's shitflinging them at the time? Wouldn't THAT be a corruption of practice of moderation?

[benjipwns]

I don't think anyone has said they thought it was going to charities. Since meta commentary has been a bit taboo here, all we could do was assume. I for one assumed this site was about at the point where Cerium had recouped his investment, and some profit. Maybe it was to the point where Tech and some managing Admins could draw a salary.

After seeing the actual revenue that's being generated...that's where talks of "it could have gone to paying the Admins and may have still had some left over for charity" entered the discussion.

So, this is about the number.

Not that Era was profitable, and a lot of folks have admitted that they figured it was.

Not that Era wasn't sending the money to charities. As you just admitted, that was an assumption on your part and the part of many.

So, for me, that just leaves...the number.

Yes, Walmart has different moral and ethical obligations towards its customers, staff and the public than does a mom and pop general store struggling to keep the lights on. I thought this was a progressive forum?

[tuna_love]

what other words can morrigan call black people and get away with?   

[Boredfrom]

what other words can morrigan call black people and get away with?   

Cunt.

[remy]

Someone please burn an alt telling Royalan to "shut up cracker" 

[Taco Bell Tower]

People keep mentioning Pau but she admitted she didn’t do shit in any case. At least Slayven post shit threads.

Irrelevant. Pau disproves the staff's continued claim that they were united in not wanting any pay.

Plus she's a non-white woman from the Global South. In the progressive stack she is nearly a queen.

Nobody will remember her at that forum, and the staff rotate so much that I will not surprised that the mod canal has never interacted with half of the mod staff. Hell, Pau was more nutty and outspoken at Gaf.

I sure as hell don't remember her til she started posting in that thread.

[FUME5]

Someone find royalans posts about his workmate bragging to him about sucking strangers dicks in the train station bathroom.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gematsu-salt-and-sacrifice-for-pc-is-launching-exclusively-on-the-epic-games-store.502140/#post-75438975

Ah well, plenty of other games to play till 2023.

You also don't go to a different supermarket if the one you frequent doesn't happen to carry the item you're looking for?

This mindset is ridiculous and it's frankly quite funny there's still posts like this in 2021 lol

[bork]

what other words can morrigan call black people and get away with?   

Cunt.

ResetEra TOS:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/general-guide-to-resetera.9777/#post-21141007

Please be respectful when posting in threads. This includes when you post about the topic at hand and especially when you address other members. Do not make unfounded and inflammatory accusations to discredit and/or antagonize your fellow members (such calling them a shill, astroturfer, etc). Do not shame users based on their post count, avatar choice, or what community they belong to. Avoid hurling insults or making disagreements personal. If someone else is causing trouble, report them rather than trying to reciprocate.

Seems to me that based on just those two things alone, numerous people on the site, including staff, should have all been banned a long time ago.  But I guess that doesn't matter because Cerium came up with it.
 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/general-guide-to-resetera.9777/#post-21141033

-Condescendingly talking down to people who are affected by sensitive issues.
-Trying to derail the discussion such that it is no longer about the group of people that are affected by the issue.
-Attempting to shut down the discussion altogether.

And hey, isn't this what has been going on in the forum sale thread- by both members and staff?

On this site our members include video game enthusiasts, industry professionals, and members of the press. All members deserve certain courtesies. Do not engage in personal attacks or insults against other users. It is perfectly fine to challenge a poster in a civil and constructive manner, but ad hominem should be avoided and can get you banned depending on the situation.

But "cracker" and "cunt" are A-OK!

 

And while we're at it:

We generally do not welcome celebration or cheering the death of public figures. Members that appear to be using an obituary thread solely to post about how glad they are that person is dead may be moderated.

Hey, how about that Dragon Quest composer thread? 

Offsite Activity

We do not monitor offsite activity and will not usually action an account for solely offsite behavior. However, there are some circumstances where a member's actions offsite can lead to consequences here. This will only happen if the accuracy of the evidence, and the member's involvement, are verified to our satisfaction.

So why did that poster who said Nepenthe shouldn't be an admin on Twitter get banned again?

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/page-139#post-75489717

I'm good friends with Labor, and he personally reached out to me to clear the air.

He wasn't an alt-account. He had a previous account (under the name Labor) that he requested to be deleted by the staff. He registered his new account under the same name (also Labor), so if you really qualify that as an "alt-account", I think that's kind of fucked up personally. If he was supposed to get in touch with moderation beforehand, it clearly wasn't communicated clearly to him by Beef when he assisted him with the original account deletion, as is pretty obvious just reading the thread. Beef didn't even know about any sort of policy and he was a mod for reference.

It feels like a pretty petty excuse to label him an alt account over it. Especially as he has been actively posting on this one for over a year and accumulated bans already on it. If you want to give him a ban or whatever, go ahead and do it for a real reason.

Let's stop the bad faith accusations about him in particular. And if any staff want to come at me: please check with Poodle first. Him and I are friends, and I've known him for a while. I'm sure he (and my history here and on Gaf) can vouch for my ~good faith~. And Poodle, if you have any issues: let's talk privately. You know how to get in touch. No hard feelings to you at all. Thx.

Anyways, you guys can go back to your regular talk now. I'm done posting on era as previously mentioned. I don't feel comfortable here. Cheers.

edit: for transparency, I made a mistake, his OG account was Massive Duck. Still, he deleted one and came back and posted under it for over a year. So I think my point still stands before anyone tries to come at me for this ✌

[Risible]

At this point, the only feasible explanation is that select mods and admins are getting some under the table crypto payments with the caveat that they have to keep the whole shitshow together until the final payment comes through.

Anything else is just too farfetched to believe, especially that these nincompoops are actually caping for an absentee owner who made $500k a year and then sold the whole shebang for $4.5m based on the investment of a few hundred dollars and slave labour.

I agree one thousand percent.  Some portion of them are getting crypto payments to STFU and corral users until Cerium gets his full payout.  There's no way those toxic screeching petty assholes would watch Cerium pull the rug out and make out like a bandit and then turn around and defend him unless they were in on it.  Not all of them, but certain key ones to set the tone and get the others to toe the line.  You would have to be such an unbelievably naïve dolt to stay if you weren't getting a cut.  I refuse to believe otherwise, because anyone that stupid would have already forgotten to breathe and passed away a long time ago.  They are getting paid and keeping it quiet so that they can continue to play the Oppression Olympics game.

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/page-139#post-75489717

edit: for transparency, I made a mistake, his OG account was Massive Duck.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/media-create-sales-week-36-2021-sep-06-sep-12-read-staff-post.487222/page-39#post-73812202

User banned (duration pending): Gratuitous attacks on completely unrelated staff, derailment


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User Banned (Permanent): Gratuitous attacks on completely unrelated staff, derailment

The mods protect their own. 

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/media-create-sales-week-36-2021-sep-06-sep-12-read-staff-post.487222/page-39#post-73812202

User banned (duration pending): Gratuitous attacks on completely unrelated staff, derailment


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User Banned (Permanent): Gratuitous attacks on completely unrelated staff, derailment

The mods protect their own. 

This was a permanent ban?

Seeing how Morrigan is still a mod here despite certain things they posted back on GAF, I highly doubt that cvx will get any kind of retribution.

[benjipwns]

Massive essay, won't quote it all: https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/post-75489807

I saw someone compare mod work to crunching. There are times this is probably true. Especially the nature of mods feeling like we need to/should be here to try and improve things, to try and fix things. The self prescribed obligation when in fact we don't owe any body our mental health suffering. I typically avoid this comparison because it isn't always the most appropriate. Burn out though is real and what I generally refer it as. A major part of moderation is handling the reports which is a sort of ticket system similar to IT Support or Customer Support. Only it can be quite vague and requires a lot of reading. Sometimes offsite reading to brush up on things you know little about. It is sometimes quite easy, other times it feels like a constant stream of some of the worst of resetera. I also have concerns of alert fatigue due to burnout which makes us more prone to mistakes and misreads.

We are perpetually understaffed and burnt out.

I have moderated resetera alongside Cerium and others through many different experiences. As an example, the US elections almost broke us. I don't think many realise how close we were. Even with mods from outside of Era like myself trying to be around more to help relieve some of the stress. It was a rough time all around. People were scared, angry and uncertain. People were breaking down and stressed. We had an influx of cry for help threads. We had to go through all of these and try to moderate it without escalating. It almost broke us and none of us entirely. Who contributed and in what way doesn't really matter here because we were in it together and we got through together, as best we could.

So to see some users toss aside Cerium casually after years of work behind the scenes feels pretty bad to me.

lol

I'm kind of... not particularly keen on having a moba rep come in here? It feels like inviting an unwanted guest into the room

This is his room, he can't be an uninvited guest in his own room. He should be interested in helping to inform the people you claim to care so much about.

[nobody of note]

One other interesting bit in the Snormy wall-of-text:

In summary.We made arrangements to moderate the community we care for freely. It is a thankless job. We are happy to continue this for the community as long as we can. I have personally started the discussion about reconsidering. B-Dubs has said we will talk about it once things settle down here a bit to see if we can negotiate something for mods going forward without costing us any of the flexibility and definitely without costing us the community values. The community values remains the highest priority for us and we are not willing to trade that for payment if it is the cost. The best payment would be an easier job to be honest.

So it sounds like the mods have now started a discussion about potential additional compensation if it won't "cost them flexibility". So while there's still the mandatory whine that the users should just be nicer, this does imply that at least some movement has made indicating that not all 30000 mods feel their special relationship with the site couldn't survive the taint of money.

[benjipwns]

"the community values"

Would be great if they could ever state those somewhere. The closest we got was that amazing Finale Fireworker essay that they then stated was not an official ResetERA.com statement.

[remy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/media-create-sales-week-36-2021-sep-06-sep-12-read-staff-post.487222/page-39#post-73812202

User banned (duration pending): Gratuitous attacks on completely unrelated staff, derailment


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User Banned (Permanent): Gratuitous attacks on completely unrelated staff, derailment

The mods protect their own. 

They didn't give her a chance to edit her response into something else and act like nothing happened while gaslighting everyone else???

[benjipwns]

All right, let me give an update on Labor, since we've been trying to get information about the whole thing:

Here's the relevant part of the response I sent to a ticket he submitted:

Labor,

I was the one that found the previous account. After getting some information from [another user] we realized that the original deletion was communicated to us via a PM to some Administrator (I don't know who, but it was long ago enough that nobody remembered). I had checked tickets and posts, including any notes we may have had signifying that you had a prior account, but didn't find anything. For all intents and purposes, it just looked like...an alt. Any information regarding the new account just wasn't documented anywhere, and with the mix of infraction history on both accounts, I just assumed it was some sort of "I'll delete my account before they ban me" scenario.

I apologize for the misunderstanding, and I'll rescind your ban.

-Hecht

His ban has been lifted.

lol Veelk annihilated

[remy]

"the community values"

Would be great if they could ever state those somewhere. The closest we got was that amazing Finale Fireworker essay that they then stated was not an official ResetERA.com statement.

Is that the one with the supply closet?

[Boredfrom]

Look a Labor batting for them after he comes back. 

[Taco Bell Tower]

From that  essay:

With that in mind I'm losing a lot of bandwidth and empathy as I read posts of people bringing up every past mistake or issue from the site. Sometimes even before the site began as if we are responsible for it. It is so entirely draining. I am also losing bandwidth reading about posts on "what about white people".

What does losing bandwidth mean?  Is Snormy really losing bandwidth on reading?   

[benjipwns]

Is that the one with the supply closet?

No, he actually posted that on NeoGAF.com. Thankfully, he re-posted it on ResetERA.com:

2. I was 24 and managing a movie theater. There was a girl there who I was really attracted to, and she was very nice to me, and I thought I could leverage that into a date. We were definitely friends, but I wanted to be more than friends, so I started manipulating the schedule to give us more time together.

I would schedule the two of us to work the same nights. I would send other people home so it was just the two of us. I would keep her late so we could talk alone in the office. I don't know if she ever expected anything. I think, to her, we were just good work friends. I started to get frustrated that nothing was happening.

So I started physically putting myself close to her more often. I would follow her around. I would lean against her. I would intentionally try to pass by her and put my hands on her as I did. Finally, one time, I followed her into a small stock room. I stood in the doorway and watched her and knew she wouldn't be able to leave the room without squeezing by me or asking me to move. I wanted her to touch me. So I intentionally blocked her exit.

And then he reposted it again a few months later in a thread about Dan Harmon in response to another member mentioning him doing it:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/dan-harmons-must-read-apology-to-megan-ganz.16297/post-3324819
https://www.resetera.com/threads/dan-harmons-must-read-apology-to-megan-ganz.16297/post-3327919

I'm talking about this masterpiece:

Friends and expats,

It is difficult to create a community.

You can build a website and write a mission statement, but these things are only structural. It takes interest, passion, and participation from users to turn an inanimate website into a living thing. It will take the effort of every member here to turn our burgeoning congregation into the true community we are looking for. No moderator or administrator can be responsible for that – this is a responsibility every user shares. It is rare so many people have the opportunity to start something new together. If we are going to be successful, we must believe in what we are doing.

Many of us have come from someplace else and have nowhere else to go. We must be humble and mindful of this fact. As we adapt and recreate the homes we’ve lost, we must be conscious and leave certain things behind. We must shape them in a more perfect vision. If we aim to create someplace respectable and dignified, we must individually uphold those values. While first and foremost this is a hobby forum, it also aims to be much more than that for hundreds of its members. This is our pocket world. It’s our place to go. We are all each other’s neighbors and must treat each other as such.

There is no place else on the internet like what we are trying to build. We must take it seriously.

As you post and get acclimated with our new forum, channel your energy into reconstruction. Do not fall victim to petty arguments, do not capitalize on every opportunity to be negative, and remember that everyone here is a refugee. Seek positive conversation. Remove your ironic veil and speak honestly. Post thoughtfully and thoroughly and remember everything you contribute is a building block. Do not let our menagerie collapse under the same heavy-handed negativity that defines other forums we find distasteful.

Be inclusive in your language, beliefs, and expectations. For this forum to become a massive multinational destination, no human being can feel unwelcome in its environment. Respect their culture, respect their gender, and respect the identity of every member at all times. Nobody should ever feel defensive of their humanity. This kind of hostility cannot be tolerated here. This kind of standard is non-negotiable and should be upheld by every member.

Conversation is invigorated by dissent. It is natural to disagree with your fellow posters and it is commendable to take a stance on something you believe in. If you argue, do so in good faith. Allow members to speak their mind and answer them sincerely. Do not declare your fellow member a lost cause before the conversation has had the chance to conclude. Certain values are non-negotiable, but not every argument is untenable and we must allow one another the space to disagree.

Restrain your urge to hyperbolize. Exaggeration overstates your investment and encourages extreme responses from others who feel the need to mirror your position. Attempt to articulate why you care about things, or how things make you feel, and leave room for others to respond at different levels of intensity.

Do not forget where you came from, but focus on our future. Everyone here comes from somewhere else and we mustn’t cling to our nostalgia. This is a new era free from the burden of history. Embrace your new home, believe in its livelihood, and relish in this occasion. Do not fall victim to the false comforts of the past. Remember why we are moving forward and do so with pride.

Lastly, be accommodating to the growing pains of the website. There are bound to be technical hurdles. There are bound to be trolls who slip through the grate. There will be some quiet days as members are approved and you may feel like important faces are missing. But you must have patience and support your new board through its afterbirth.

Be confident in yourself and others. Remember what you want this forum to be and hold yourself to that ideal. Demand it of your peers by setting the example. Nobody would be here if they felt at home anywhere else. Remember, we really are the last of us.

With admiration, respect, and confidence,
Finale Fireworker

[benjipwns]

Glad to see things worked out re: Labor. Longtime contributor to the community. Thanks for listening to the feedback, Hecht and admins.

Uh, mods too. Tf?

Shut up, cracker janny.

[benjipwns]

I don't know Cerium and I've never met him, but if I imagined myself in his position, I'd have a dark part of me saying that I wish I burned the place down instead if this is the response I'd get.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Glad to see things worked out re: Labor. Longtime contributor to the community. Thanks for listening to the feedback, Hecht and admins.

Uh, mods too. Tf?

Shut up, cracker janny.

Mods too, you especially Roy.

[benjipwns]

At this point, Cerium is as relevant to the community as he’s ever been (not much).
New owners at much more important right now.

Wrong.

dude

[remy]

Why is the language in resetera so steeped in the language of emotional abuse? velk and the mods have the biggest abusive boyfriend energy. maybe he wouldn't have sold the forum and yeeted if all the members weren't such frigid cracker bitches 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

communicated to us via a PM to some Administrator (I don't know who, but it was long ago enough that nobody remembered)

lol, admin deleted account

transparency

[benjipwns]

Why is the language in resetera so steeped in the language of emotional abuse?

It's a deliberate tactic within certain self-proclaimed progressive circles (especially the ones ResetERA.com prominent members fester in) to try and gain the upper hand and dominance in any conversation irregardless of the subject. Victim status is paramount and not to be questioned. It's why they often collapse into a singularity of everyone accusing everyone else of abuse in an endless quest to gain advantage over others within the group.

The people with near absolute power spending hundreds of pages attacking the relatively powerless proles for being "abusive" to them is not new or a unique version but still is pretty amusing.

[Potato]

what other words can morrigan call black people and get away with?   

Cunt.

She self-identifies as one so gets a free pass

[benjipwns]

Went looking for an "emotional abuse" thing I couldn't find, instead came back across this.

By Rick Ross, Expert Consultant and Intervention Specialist
 
Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.
Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
The group/leader is always right.
The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.

Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.
Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.
Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.
A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.
Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.

Ten signs of a safe group/leader.
A safe group/leader will answer your questions without becoming judgmental and punitive.
A safe group/leader will disclose information such as finances and often offer an independently audited financial statement regarding budget and expenses. Safe groups and leaders will tell you more than you want to know.
A safe group/leader is often democratic, sharing decision making and encouraging accountability and oversight.
A safe group/leader may have disgruntled former followers, but will not vilify, excommunicate and forbid others from associating with them.
A safe group/leader will not have a paper trail of overwhelmingly negative records, books, articles and statements about them.
A safe group/leader will encourage family communication, community interaction and existing friendships and not feel threatened.
A safe group/leader will recognize reasonable boundaries and limitations when dealing with others.
A safe group/leader will encourage critical thinking, individual autonomy and feelings of self-esteem.
A safe group/leader will admit failings and mistakes and accept constructive criticism and advice.
A safe group/leader will not be the only source of knowledge and learning excluding everyone else, but value dialogue and the free exchange of ideas.

[Potato]

One other interesting bit in the Snormy wall-of-text:

In summary.We made arrangements to moderate the community we care for freely. It is a thankless job. We are happy to continue this for the community as long as we can. I have personally started the discussion about reconsidering. B-Dubs has said we will talk about it once things settle down here a bit to see if we can negotiate something for mods going forward without costing us any of the flexibility and definitely without costing us the community values. The community values remains the highest priority for us and we are not willing to trade that for payment if it is the cost. The best payment would be an easier job to be honest.

So it sounds like the mods have now started a discussion about potential additional compensation if it won't "cost them flexibility". So while there's still the mandatory whine that the users should just be nicer, this does imply that at least some movement has made indicating that not all 30000 mods feel their special relationship with the site couldn't survive the taint of money.

Seems to me the "community values" and the "moderation team values" are miles apart.

[Potato]

Went looking for an "emotional abuse" thing I couldn't find, instead came back across this.

By Rick Ross, Expert Consultant and Intervention Specialist
 
Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.
Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
The group/leader is always right.
The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.

Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.
Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.
Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.
A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.
Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.

It's like a fucking Reeeeesetera checklist 

[benjipwns]

I have enough twist, turns and drama for an HBO miniseries right about now. this thread is seriously very entertaining.

nice idea! A series about an evil libertarian investor who zuckerberged the original admins and used literally slaves in order to establish one of the leading gaming communities which he then sold to a Facebook-wannabe data selling troll company so he can live happily ever after and donate money to the Trump campaign.


is this a fitting summary of this thread so far or did I miss something?

ok. what the fuck?

or did I miss something?

Yeah, reading comprehension

nice accusations, you got proof for any of this?

You guys need to adjust your sarcasm sensors immediately.

if your were being sarcastic, invoke the Poe's Law. sounds like you are being serious tbh.

You guys need to adjust your sarcasm sensors immediately.

Oh thank god. It's probably indicative of the shit that's gone down in this thread that that being a real perspective was a legitimate possibility.

[Propagandhim]

Did Royalan fall in love with Cerium?  Man is the biggest quisling I've ever seen.  Constantly explaining away the actions of a guy that won't even spend a second doing it for himself.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Did Royalan fall in love with Cerium?  Man is the biggest quisling I've ever seen.  Constantly explaining away the actions of a guy that won't even spend a second doing it for himself.

Royalan

Speaking of...he needs to GO TO BED. GO TO BED CERIUM.

Isn't he already sleeping for like 6 days?

[Potato]

Ok, so if Cerium is awake and needs to go to bed, then it probably means he is using an alt. What's Cerium's alt?

[remy]

Went looking for an "emotional abuse" thing I couldn't find, instead came back across this.

By Rick Ross, Expert Consultant and Intervention Specialist
 
Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.
Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
The group/leader is always right.
The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.

Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.
Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.
Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.
A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.
Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.

It's like a fucking Reeeeesetera checklist 

It's almost too on the nose 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/remember-people-said-we-wont-see-a-billion-dollar-movie-anytime-soon-after-covid.502422/#post-75464865

Okay people i am willing to have a hentai avatar of your choosing but i will pick an avatar for you if No Way Home grosses less than 1bill,lets have Slayven as a witness

Just write in this thread if you are willing to take the chance for a bet

I am kind of surprised there arent people to take the bet

Dude really wants to put a hentai avatar 

[HaughtyFrank]

Glad to see things worked out re: Labor. Longtime contributor to the community. Thanks for listening to the feedback, Hecht and admins.

Uh, mods too. Tf?

Shut up, cracker janny.

Let's thank the mods for reversing a ban that was so obviously false. There's still zero explanation why Hecht would get up from bed just to suddenly ban the guy aside from the ban being in "bad faith"

[Snoopycat_]

We're now at 2 pages of a CDPR thread and there isn't a single fuck CDPR or lengthy diatribe about their transphobia. What is going on here? This is unacceptable. 

[benjipwns]

Good thread:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/conservatives-use-very-effective-tactics-to-spread-misinformation-why-cant-liberals-just-use-the-same-tactics-but-to-spread-truth.502581/

Quality responses include:

It goes hand in hand with the entire right wing mindset: the most important truth is the social truth, and social reality is defined heavily by exclusions. Ergo, anything the group believes is true, and any challenging ideas from outside the group are, by their nature, false. If nothing else this explains why conservative actors have a much easier time doing everything from grifting people into buying boner pills to spinning up anti-abortion movements: the entire conservative concept of trust is defined by who is in the trusted circle and who is outside it.

Because leftist positions are very nuanced, and it's hard to compress a complex idea into a simple phrase.

I think the reason why conservative media is so much better at it is that people have such a deep fear of losing what they have and a deep hatred for anyone outside of their immediate community that their self interest drives them in ways that liberals, just trying to be good people and go about their day, cannot.

I think the core of it is that they're not just spreading lies, they're spreading stories, and they know how to appeal to base desires of people with those stories.

Racism is the story that any problems white people have are due to others trying to take whats rightfully theirs. It's not true, but it provides a simple, easy explanation that gives you a convenient villain in your life to fight against.

And sometimes the truth does not fill those narrative roles.

I still marvel how quickly right-wing friends parrot the same thing so quickly. And also amused when some unexpected event or swerve happens so it takes 24 hours to figure out a response.

There are issues with this approach - the left tends to have more people who actually care about the truth rather than power at any cost, which makes it harder to do this (you'd have people on your side fighting against it).

Watch inception.

[benjipwns]

You also don't go to a different supermarket if the one you frequent doesn't happen to carry the item you're looking for?

This mindset is ridiculous and it's frankly quite funny there's still posts like this in 2021 lol

At least supermarkets have carts.

[SmokyDave]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hollywood-antivax-rally-holy-fuck.502629/#post-75488433

God I hate white people. *Watches video.* God damn it.

 

I'll bet good money this cat is white.

[remy]

Is Veelk cerium's alt?

[Tektonic]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hollywood-antivax-rally-holy-fuck.502629/#post-75488433

God I hate white people. *Watches video.* God damn it.

 

I'll bet good money this cat is white.

just watched the video. crazy has no colour

[Potato]

Good thread:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/conservatives-use-very-effective-tactics-to-spread-misinformation-why-cant-liberals-just-use-the-same-tactics-but-to-spread-truth.502581/

Quality responses include:

It goes hand in hand with the entire right wing mindset: the most important truth is the social truth, and social reality is defined heavily by exclusions. Ergo, anything the group believes is true, and any challenging ideas from outside the group are, by their nature, false. If nothing else this explains why conservative actors have a much easier time doing everything from grifting people into buying boner pills to spinning up anti-abortion movements: the entire conservative concept of trust is defined by who is in the trusted circle and who is outside it.

Because leftist positions are very nuanced, and it's hard to compress a complex idea into a simple phrase.

I think the reason why conservative media is so much better at it is that people have such a deep fear of losing what they have and a deep hatred for anyone outside of their immediate community that their self interest drives them in ways that liberals, just trying to be good people and go about their day, cannot.

I think the core of it is that they're not just spreading lies, they're spreading stories, and they know how to appeal to base desires of people with those stories.

Racism is the story that any problems white people have are due to others trying to take whats rightfully theirs. It's not true, but it provides a simple, easy explanation that gives you a convenient villain in your life to fight against.

And sometimes the truth does not fill those narrative roles.

I still marvel how quickly right-wing friends parrot the same thing so quickly. And also amused when some unexpected event or swerve happens so it takes 24 hours to figure out a response.

There are issues with this approach - the left tends to have more people who actually care about the truth rather than power at any cost, which makes it harder to do this (you'd have people on your side fighting against it).

Watch inception.

Delusional

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/page-141#post-75498777

So full disclosure, I didn't start side-eying moderation until I caught a dubious ban myself. I'd usually spectate from afar and just think, "go off… I guess?" The newest fucking squidbilly from Splatoon or whatever not being a PoC falls low on my list of priorities, but hey, as a father raising a black girl maybe I should start caring? Just because I arrived at that conclusion sooner than others doesn't make them racist or "crackas". Sometimes people don't know or can't see past their myopia. Throwing those type of accusations around dilutes all of this. Ban the bad actors and folks who get off on contrarian exercises but let the rest of us discuss it like well-adjusted adults. Spirited debate and thought exchange shouldn't be discouraged. There is no default opinion because there is no default perspective. Of course that doesn't apply to every topic and the staff have the right to take hard stances where appropriate.

I never gave any of this much thought because our opinions usually aligned, and I was spared. But then the weirdo shit showed up at my doorstep via the Donda thread. People shat the place up with accusations of homophobia, "platforming" domestic violence and MAGA sympathizing because we dared to discuss the album. Alright, bet, let me respectfully push back with my take on the matter, I figured. *Banned*. Now imagine someone coming into a hip-hop thread and acting abhorred at displays of homophobia and misogyny. It's problematic, yes, but it shouldn't have devolved into grossly painting everyone who listens to it a bigot. You want to claim Era is a welcome home for black gamers but can't take a moment to "do your googles" on the complexities of black culture/masculinity/homosexuality and, by proxy, rap? Nah. People were looking for blood and the mods gave it to them. Just like you see in so many other threads. You are allowing nuanced discussion to be eroded by the disgruntled fringe. No intersectionality. It's become an increasingly smaller "us" vs them and I hate to see it.

It's infuriating when I suspect a lot of these people are being disingenuous. You see the same ones, in every thread, weaponizing "minority issues" (and subsequently the 'report' button). They don't seem interested in reconciliation but instead only baiting and devouring their supposed allies. They're mercenaries. I assure you no amount of white people here self-flagellating or calling themselves cracker can assuage for centuries of subjugation. I don't need you banning members who don't immediately want to crucify Girlfriend Reviews or Jim Ryan for misspeaking. The irony of that shit, btw, when you deify these same public figures and tear them alive the moment they misspeak. Now who do I contact about a 'presumed whiteness' tag or changing my handle to 'Uncle Tom'?

Edit:Kanye West ban:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/kanye-west-releases-his-new-album-%E2%80%98donda%E2%80%99.478752/page-17#post-72349987

User Banned (2 Weeks): Dismissing Concerns Around Bigotry

Yea everyone who listened to the album is fine with rapists, homophobes and domestic abusers. Astute observation.

Any rational person, even the staunchest Kanye fan, realizes he’s a fool for his antics. He’s a narcissistic asshole - it is known. Just because you and others are only now catching wind doesn’t mean I have to join in on your crusade. What would you have folks do? Start exclusively listening to and making Era threads for Taylor Swift? I don’t understand. People deeply invested in the culture and not simply hopping on the latest wave of sanctimonious headhunting HAVE BEEN calling Kanye on his bullshit for years. The same man “caping” for Dababy was also the same dude championing Frank Ocean and talking about rap’s toxic homophobia years ago. Doesn’t make the prior okay but I’m not about to immediately write him off as some bigot. I didn’t even know if I could fuck with him after the MAGA shit. But truly Kanye doesn’t owe any political party their allegiance, and I just want to believe that was his point, however poorly articulated it came across.

[Ghoul]

That was an intense few pages to catch up on. Glad I read through it though it was so fun!

The madness certainly made my hungover ass feel so much better!

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/page-141#post-75500103

Where did he do that? I'm curious. In neither reply from him, did he mentioned woman or black let alone the two words together. He said that, i'm sure you know that but are now twisting things to make him look a racist mysoginist, because Nepenthe is a furry, does she not?

What the fuck does that have to do with being a woman or black?

I've mentioned that I'm a fursuiter far less than I have that I'm Black. So if that clown knew the former, he definitely knew the latter about me. And yes, I personally found that shit racist myself. One of many reasons he got permed.

Don't come in here with the fucking JAQery at 8 AM in the morning unless you wanna join him.

[NekoFever]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/page-141#post-75498777

So full disclosure, I didn't start side-eying moderation until I caught a dubious ban myself. I'd usually spectate from afar and just think, "go off… I guess?" The newest fucking squidbilly from Splatoon or whatever not being a PoC falls low on my list of priorities, but hey, as a father raising a black girl maybe I should start caring? Just because I arrived at that conclusion sooner than others doesn't make them racist or "crackas". Sometimes people don't know or can't see past their myopia. Throwing those type of accusations around dilutes all of this. Ban the bad actors and folks who get off on contrarian exercises but let the rest of us discuss it like well-adjusted adults. Spirited debate and thought exchange shouldn't be discouraged. There is no default opinion because there is no default perspective. Of course that doesn't apply to every topic and the staff have the right to take hard stances where appropriate.

I never gave any of this much thought because our opinions usually aligned, and I was spared. But then the weirdo shit showed up at my doorstep via the Donda thread. People shat the place up with accusations of homophobia, "platforming" domestic violence and MAGA sympathizing because we dared to discuss the album. Alright, bet, let me respectfully push back with my take on the matter, I figured. *Banned*. Now imagine someone coming into a hip-hop thread and acting abhorred at displays of homophobia and misogyny. It's problematic, yes, but it shouldn't have devolved into grossly painting everyone who listens to it a bigot. You want to claim Era is a welcome home for black gamers but can't take a moment to "do your googles" on the complexities of black culture/masculinity/homosexuality and, by proxy, rap? Nah. People were looking for blood and the mods gave it to them. Just like you see in so many other threads. You are allowing nuanced discussion to be eroded by the disgruntled fringe. No intersectionality. It's become an increasingly smaller "us" vs them and I hate to see it.

It's infuriating when I suspect a lot of these people are being disingenuous. You see the same ones, in every thread, weaponizing "minority issues" (and subsequently the 'report' button). They don't seem interested in reconciliation but instead only baiting and devouring their supposed allies. They're mercenaries. I assure you no amount of white people here self-flagellating or calling themselves cracker can assuage for centuries of subjugation. I don't need you banning members who don't immediately want to crucify Girlfriend Reviews or Jim Ryan for misspeaking. The irony of that shit, btw, when you deify these same public figures and tear them alive the moment they misspeak. Now who do I contact about a 'presumed whiteness' tag or changing my handle to 'Uncle Tom'?