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Maiden Voyage

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5220 on: October 19, 2021, 08:28:08 AM »
Has any of this shit hit the gaming media yet? Seems like a pretty big story, but fuckwits like JShiller are probably too busy on press junkets to actually do some journalism.

What fucking big story? Asshole sells his dying forum to a shell company while his mods are in denial?

Unless anyone can confirm that MOBA is truly shady or willing to sell info, I don’t think is a big story at all.
No matter what we think of it, it is the biggest internet gaming forum and $4.5 million is a lot of money. Also, the current situation is in direct contrast to the stated philosophy of the now-former owner and the mods and community at large and the general population is revolting over it. This crowd also has history of turning on the owner of a forum and jumping ship.

There is a clear story for the enthusiast press and if the new owners do turn out to be shonky as fuck then there is a clear story for the mainstream press.

I may have never worked as a journalist, but I did study journalism at University. I have 20 years experience in communications and media work and I think that qualifies me to know what constitutes a newsworthy story.
Tons of gaming sites have run a story about the acquisition. Here are three you may have heard of:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-10-14-gaming-forum-resetera-acquired-for-a-cool-usd4-5m
https://kotaku.com/resetera-owner-cashes-out-gaming-forum-for-4-5-million-1847862831
https://www.vg247.com/resetera-sold-4-5-million-usd-moba-network

Nobody has run a story about the ins and outs of this all that myself, Maiden Voyage and multiple others (like FeD on ResetERA.com who was one of their few users to dig into Magic Find's complicated structure) have dug up because they're games journalists. They can't read press releases accurately let alone do any kind of actual investigation. Also, I doubt any of their readers would find it very interesting. Even the vast vast majority of ResetERA.com doesn't care about it.

I don't expect Schreier to write about it because it's technically not his beat. I can't find anything from Bloomberg Gaming but then it's probably not a big enough acquisition to grab their attention, they're still a small niche within a large company rather than a dedicated outlet.

I watched the Moba Q3 earnings presentation & gave my thoughts over on Gaf. This was before they bought Era but it gives you an idea of what is coming for Era. They can bury their head in the sand all they want, it will only make the inevitable all the more entertaining.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5221 on: October 19, 2021, 08:32:08 AM »
Has any of this shit hit the gaming media yet? Seems like a pretty big story, but fuckwits like JShiller are probably too busy on press junkets to actually do some journalism.

What fucking big story? Asshole sells his dying forum to a shell company while his mods are in denial?

Unless anyone can confirm that MOBA is truly shady or willing to sell info, I don’t think is a big story at all.
No matter what we think of it, it is the biggest internet gaming forum and $4.5 million is a lot of money. Also, the current situation is in direct contrast to the stated philosophy of the now-former owner and the mods and community at large and the general population is revolting over it. This crowd also has history of turning on the owner of a forum and jumping ship.

There is a clear story for the enthusiast press and if the new owners do turn out to be shonky as fuck then there is a clear story for the mainstream press.

I may have never worked as a journalist, but I did study journalism at University. I have 20 years experience in communications and media work and I think that qualifies me to know what constitutes a newsworthy story.
Tons of gaming sites have run a story about the acquisition. Here are three you may have heard of:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-10-14-gaming-forum-resetera-acquired-for-a-cool-usd4-5m
https://kotaku.com/resetera-owner-cashes-out-gaming-forum-for-4-5-million-1847862831
https://www.vg247.com/resetera-sold-4-5-million-usd-moba-network

Nobody has run a story about the ins and outs of this all that myself, Maiden Voyage and multiple others (like FeD on ResetERA.com who was one of their few users to dig into Magic Find's complicated structure) have dug up because they're games journalists. They can't read press releases accurately let alone do any kind of actual investigation. Also, I doubt any of their readers would find it very interesting. Even the vast vast majority of ResetERA.com doesn't care about it.

I don't expect Schreier to write about it because it's technically not his beat. I can't find anything from Bloomberg Gaming but then it's probably not a big enough acquisition to grab their attention, they're still a small niche within a large company rather than a dedicated outlet.

I watched the Moba Q3 earnings presentation & gave my thoughts over on Gaf. This was before they bought Era but it gives you an idea of what is coming for Era. They can bury their head in the sand all they want, it will only make the inevitable all the more entertaining.
give us lazy bastards the cliffs notes version.

marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5222 on: October 19, 2021, 08:34:45 AM »
People keep mentioning Pau but she admitted she didn’t do shit in any case. At least Slayven post shit threads.
Irrelevant. Pau disproves the staff's continued claim that they were united in not wanting any pay.

Plus she's a non-white woman from the Global South. In the progressive stack she is nearly a queen.

Nobody will remember her at that forum, and the staff rotate so much that I will not surprised that the mod canal has never interacted with half of the mod staff. Hell, Pau was more nutty and outspoken at Gaf.

Pau is a prominent member with lots of connections throughout the larger ERA communities. She downplayed her role as a mod because that's her nature, but the fact that she stepped down should have been a canary in the coal mine for the other mods because she's one of the smartest eggs to ever grace GAF/ERA.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5223 on: October 19, 2021, 08:45:57 AM »
give us lazy bastards the cliffs notes version.

Moba wants to move more into direct-buy advertising, cutting out the middleman they use now, to increase margin. They don't have enough traffic to do this unilaterally. Era gives them more/better page view & user engagement stats. They believe they can also optimize how Era does ads currently. Moba has an in-house marketing company and a new agency focuses on influencers & advertising. They plan to synergies all their properties to continue to grow rapidly. Moba wants their primary focus to remain on LoL or other popular games as a service because of the longevity those games give Moba's properties.

Companies that go into insane expansion often go out of business because they go too far. With the margins on Moba, however, they likely are going to continue to expand undeterred. Most likely scenario is that Moba gets bought out.

And there's no way in hell Moba actually gives a shit about Era as a community, so the next buyers will most likely make changes to Era if Moba were to leave them as-is.

Regardless, since Moba focuses so much on Riot Games & Blizzard, Era will likely, at some point, be forced to run ads for 'problematic' game companies & licenses. Era will not take kindly to this, as always. Powder keg waiting for that one spark.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5224 on: October 19, 2021, 08:56:24 AM »

Pau is a prominent member with lots of connections throughout the larger ERA communities. She downplayed her role as a mod because that's her nature, but the fact that she stepped down should have been a canary in the coal mine for the other mods because she's one of the smartest eggs to ever grace GAF/ERA.

being the only mod that saw anything wrong with the situation already kinda keyed me in that she's not an idiot

Snoopycat_

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5225 on: October 19, 2021, 09:17:42 AM »
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Still divided on DreamcastGuy, who behaves normally yet says that we at ERA are the worst corner of the internet.


If someone as boring and vanilla as DreamCastGuy is calling you the worst , then maybe there might be a problem.


https://www.resetera.com/threads/battlefield-2042-reactions-by-the-act-man.502692/#post-75496362

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5226 on: October 19, 2021, 09:26:54 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/page-141#post-75503271

Quote from: Ooze27
Quote from: Nepenthe
I've mentioned that I'm a fursuiter far less than I have that I'm Black. So if that clown knew the former, he definitely knew the latter about me. And yes, I personally found that shit racist myself. One of many reasons he got permed.

Don't come in here with the fucking JAQery at 8 AM in the morning unless you wanna join him.
ooofff, thank god you don't go on powertrips.

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OBE

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5228 on: October 19, 2021, 09:28:34 AM »
i don't think cerium cares enough about the place to be as unhinged as veelk

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5229 on: October 19, 2021, 09:50:12 AM »
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So full disclosure, I didn't start side-eying moderation until I caught a dubious ban myself.


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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5230 on: October 19, 2021, 09:50:54 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/page-141#post-75503907
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I mean, that person hadn't posted for close to two months and only came back to use the thread as an excuse to throw insults at a member of staff. That's who you are running defense for. It's odd.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/page-141#post-75504708
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Click username, click the messages count. Not an odd thing to check (though mostly for the count to begin with) when someone comes in like that. There are trolls who got some responses before being banned in the past day or two that had literally 1 post.

...

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Hap Shaughnessy

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5231 on: October 19, 2021, 09:58:17 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/page-141#post-75499185

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User Banned (Permanent): Trolling and hostility to multiple members across a series of posts
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Quote from: Kyuuji
Comparing a Black woman to an animal. Who was the bully again?
Where did he do that? I'm curious. In neither reply from him, did he mentioned woman or black let alone the two words together. He said that, i'm sure you know that but are now twisting things to make him look a racist mysoginist, because Nepenthe is a furry, does she not?

What the fuck does that have to do with being a woman or black?
:salute
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marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5232 on: October 19, 2021, 10:03:39 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/page-141#post-75499185

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User Banned (Permanent): Trolling and hostility to multiple members across a series of posts
Quote from: Ooze27
Quote from: Kyuuji
Comparing a Black woman to an animal. Who was the bully again?
Where did he do that? I'm curious. In neither reply from him, did he mentioned woman or black let alone the two words together. He said that, i'm sure you know that but are now twisting things to make him look a racist mysoginist, because Nepenthe is a furry, does she not?

What the fuck does that have to do with being a woman or black?
:salute

You know that furry was just salivating (because she's a furry, and they pretend to be anthropomorphic animals, and excessive salivation is typical among animals who are excited or hungry) waiting for any excuse to ban Ooze.

[Editors Note: Nep's public awfulness just goes to show that people who dislike Furry's were always right]

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5233 on: October 19, 2021, 10:04:33 AM »
Looks like marrec picked up some comedy classes while attending era university.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5234 on: October 19, 2021, 10:10:14 AM »
If I paid 4.5 million for a website, you can bet damn sure anything and anyone furry related would be purged within 24 hours.








Only squids allowed.
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marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5235 on: October 19, 2021, 10:11:06 AM »
Everyone knows Squids are allowed they don't have fur james

BisMarckie

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5236 on: October 19, 2021, 10:15:22 AM »
Went looking for an "emotional abuse" thing I couldn't find, instead came back across this. :teehee

By Rick Ross, Expert Consultant and Intervention Specialist
 
Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.
Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
The group/leader is always right.
The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.

Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.
Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.
Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.
A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.
Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.

Ten signs of a safe group/leader.
A safe group/leader will answer your questions without becoming judgmental and punitive.
A safe group/leader will disclose information such as finances and often offer an independently audited financial statement regarding budget and expenses. Safe groups and leaders will tell you more than you want to know.
A safe group/leader is often democratic, sharing decision making and encouraging accountability and oversight.
A safe group/leader may have disgruntled former followers, but will not vilify, excommunicate and forbid others from associating with them.
A safe group/leader will not have a paper trail of overwhelmingly negative records, books, articles and statements about them.
A safe group/leader will encourage family communication, community interaction and existing friendships and not feel threatened.
A safe group/leader will recognize reasonable boundaries and limitations when dealing with others.
A safe group/leader will encourage critical thinking, individual autonomy and feelings of self-esteem.
A safe group/leader will admit failings and mistakes and accept constructive criticism and advice.
A safe group/leader will not be the only source of knowledge and learning excluding everyone else, but value dialogue and the free exchange of ideas.

Rick Ross wrote that?


HaughtyFrank

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5237 on: October 19, 2021, 10:28:06 AM »
Is resetera already on the "Magaret Atwood is a terf" train?

https://twitter.com/hEnereyG/status/1450462482955448321

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5238 on: October 19, 2021, 10:33:29 AM »
Her?


Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5240 on: October 19, 2021, 10:42:52 AM »
They seem to like it actually.




They're eating themselves and I love it.

Blanket was a mod for like three minutes if I remember correctly.

benjipwns

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5241 on: October 19, 2021, 10:43:02 AM »
Just want to mention that I think situations like mine and the one with Labor highlight how reasonable admin/mods here can be when you approach the situation calmly and respectfully. It might not be realistic, but it would be nice if these moments were shared more frequently rather than the list of "mod fails" that often turn up. Because behind the scenes there's a lot going on that none of us are aware of.
ahahahahahahaha

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5242 on: October 19, 2021, 10:45:30 AM »
I'm not gonna lie though, the new ad network algorithm seems to be pretty on point and contextual.

The scrapped that forum fast.



 :existential

marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5243 on: October 19, 2021, 10:51:30 AM »
Is resetera already on the "Magaret Atwood is a terf" train?

https://twitter.com/hEnereyG/status/1450462482955448321

Margaret "I wrote that famous book about women being oppressed by men that you all love to cite" Atwood starting to have concerns about language development related to women's rights should be a real "are we the baddies" moment for radical leftists but they'll just pretend she was awful all along and find ways to show that all her books were anti-queer/trans all along.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5244 on: October 19, 2021, 10:56:19 AM »
In the eternal words of Ted, the teddy bear, there are no chicks with dicks, only guys with tits
:O

SmokyDave

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5245 on: October 19, 2021, 10:59:19 AM »
Is resetera already on the "Magaret Atwood is a terf" train?

https://twitter.com/hEnereyG/status/1450462482955448321
I can’t read the article without a sub. I’d like to assure Margaret that you can in fact say ‘woman’. It’s not even difficult. I think she should just try it and see what happens.

marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5246 on: October 19, 2021, 11:00:44 AM »
In the eternal words of Ted, the teddy bear, there are no chicks with dicks, only guys with tits

Jesus now I have to cancel TED?

Is resetera already on the "Magaret Atwood is a terf" train?

https://twitter.com/hEnereyG/status/1450462482955448321
I can’t read the article without a sub. I’d like to assure Margaret that you can in fact say ‘woman’. It’s not even difficult. I think she should just try it and see what happens.

Not to further demark myself among a certain crowd as anti-Trans, but I believe the current kerfuffle about this language use is the idea that if you say "Woman" in certain contexts you can get into trouble with purists who will be very uncharitable about your intentions. I.E. if you refer to a female-presenting non-binary person pregnant person as "that pregnant woman" you will be harshly rebuked... to someone like Atwood I can see where that may seem like an attack on womanhood when extrapolated to a larger linguistic context.

What's going to happen is Atwood will defend herself, and in doing so will make further purity mistakes entrenching herself more and more as a "TERF" in the view of radicals, to the point where she'll publicly join Chappelle on Team TERF because there is no other option.
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Boredfrom

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5247 on: October 19, 2021, 11:10:12 AM »
People keep mentioning Pau but she admitted she didn’t do shit in any case. At least Slayven post shit threads.
Irrelevant. Pau disproves the staff's continued claim that they were united in not wanting any pay.

Plus she's a non-white woman from the Global South. In the progressive stack she is nearly a queen.

Nobody will remember her at that forum, and the staff rotate so much that I will not surprised that the mod canal has never interacted with half of the mod staff. Hell, Pau was more nutty and outspoken at Gaf.

Pau is a prominent member with lots of connections throughout the larger ERA communities. She downplayed her role as a mod because that's her nature, but the fact that she stepped down should have been a canary in the coal mine for the other mods because she's one of the smartest eggs to ever grace GAF/ERA.

She is the girl that thought that Terry Pratchett was harassing her because a compliment.

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5248 on: October 19, 2021, 11:10:43 AM »
They seem to like it actually.


(Image removed from quote.)

They're eating themselves and I love it.

Blanket was a mod for like three minutes if I remember correctly.

Lol, is that why RustyNails finally changed his?

marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5249 on: October 19, 2021, 11:16:15 AM »
People keep mentioning Pau but she admitted she didn’t do shit in any case. At least Slayven post shit threads.
Irrelevant. Pau disproves the staff's continued claim that they were united in not wanting any pay.

Plus she's a non-white woman from the Global South. In the progressive stack she is nearly a queen.

Nobody will remember her at that forum, and the staff rotate so much that I will not surprised that the mod canal has never interacted with half of the mod staff. Hell, Pau was more nutty and outspoken at Gaf.

Pau is a prominent member with lots of connections throughout the larger ERA communities. She downplayed her role as a mod because that's her nature, but the fact that she stepped down should have been a canary in the coal mine for the other mods because she's one of the smartest eggs to ever grace GAF/ERA.

She is the girl that thought that Terry Pratchett was harassing her because a compliment.

We all make mistakes.

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5250 on: October 19, 2021, 11:21:22 AM »
Is resetera already on the "Magaret Atwood is a terf" train?

https://twitter.com/hEnereyG/status/1450462482955448321
I can’t read the article without a sub. I’d like to assure Margaret that you can in fact say ‘woman’. It’s not even difficult. I think she should just try it and see what happens.

I'm waiting for the era thread where they hate post the entire article without linking *just so they can get jimmy russtled.


*MOBA is gonna love dealing with copyright issues.

ShutUp

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5251 on: October 19, 2021, 11:22:18 AM »
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For me, i use it frequently to see if someone is coming in good faith or have a history to troll. Also pretty useful before submitting a report.


About checking post history. It explains so much over there.

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5252 on: October 19, 2021, 11:24:20 AM »
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For me, i use it frequently to see if someone is coming in good faith or have a history to troll. Also pretty useful before submitting a report.


About checking post history. It explains so much over there.

So not only are the mods doing ceriums work, but the posters are doing the mods work.

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and the bore is doing the doxxers work 

http://www.thebore.com/forum/Smileys/default/notlikethis1.png
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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5253 on: October 19, 2021, 11:25:52 AM »
Admiral Benji works harder than everyone combined
:O

marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5254 on: October 19, 2021, 11:27:50 AM »
https://archive.md/2021.10.19-140408/https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2021/10/15/why-cant-we-say-woman-anymore.html

For those who want to read the article that forces Atwood to vote for Trump in 2024

Is this allowed Demi?

SmokyDave

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5255 on: October 19, 2021, 11:32:42 AM »
https://archive.md/2021.10.19-140408/https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2021/10/15/why-cant-we-say-woman-anymore.html

For those who want to read the article that forces Atwood to vote for Trump in 2024

Is this allowed Demi?
Appreciate the link, and your earlier thoughts.

I remain steadfast. Say 'woman'. Say 'women'. It's only an issue if you need to talk to social media fuckwits, and I'd advise you never do that anyway. Had to deal with this at work a lot because we accommodate pregnant men, and it really doesn't matter.

If anyone (in real life) gives you grief about 'women' not being inclusive enough, ask them if everybody gets a say in the abortion debate. The cognitive dissonance will render them inoperable whilst you make your way past them and find a real person to talk to instead.

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5256 on: October 19, 2021, 11:33:53 AM »
thanks transphobe marrec,

that lady sounds salty as fuck though, :lol

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There’s more than a whiff of misogyny to it. Why “woman” the no-speak word and not “man?” Why not “persons who urinate standing up” or “people who eject semen?”

Certainly there are words — they are slurs mostly — that are no longer acceptable. “Woman” shouldn’t be one of them.

The battleground of language has turned into a baffleground of agendas.

I am woman and I am roaring.

:whew

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5257 on: October 19, 2021, 11:38:14 AM »
listen to womxn
©@©™

Pissy F Benny

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5258 on: October 19, 2021, 11:38:15 AM »
If I paid 4.5 million for a website, you can bet damn sure anything and anyone furry related would be purged within 24 hours.








Only squids allowed.

User Banned (Permanent): Extreme and inflammatory furphobia
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Pissy F Benny

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5259 on: October 19, 2021, 11:38:50 AM »
Went looking for an "emotional abuse" thing I couldn't find, instead came back across this. :teehee

By Rick Ross, Expert Consultant and Intervention Specialist
 
Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.
Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
The group/leader is always right.
The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.

Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.
Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.
Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.
Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".
Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.
Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.
Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.
A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.
Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.
Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.
Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.

Ten signs of a safe group/leader.
A safe group/leader will answer your questions without becoming judgmental and punitive.
A safe group/leader will disclose information such as finances and often offer an independently audited financial statement regarding budget and expenses. Safe groups and leaders will tell you more than you want to know.
A safe group/leader is often democratic, sharing decision making and encouraging accountability and oversight.
A safe group/leader may have disgruntled former followers, but will not vilify, excommunicate and forbid others from associating with them.
A safe group/leader will not have a paper trail of overwhelmingly negative records, books, articles and statements about them.
A safe group/leader will encourage family communication, community interaction and existing friendships and not feel threatened.
A safe group/leader will recognize reasonable boundaries and limitations when dealing with others.
A safe group/leader will encourage critical thinking, individual autonomy and feelings of self-esteem.
A safe group/leader will admit failings and mistakes and accept constructive criticism and advice.
A safe group/leader will not be the only source of knowledge and learning excluding everyone else, but value dialogue and the free exchange of ideas.

Rick Ross wrote that?

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it was freeway rick ross ;)
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Propagandhim

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5260 on: October 19, 2021, 11:44:22 AM »
How to know you're in a cult, by Lil Bizzy

1.). Mothafuckas takin your mothafuckin money, you dumbass trick

HaughtyFrank

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5261 on: October 19, 2021, 11:46:36 AM »
https://archive.md/2021.10.19-140408/https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2021/10/15/why-cant-we-say-woman-anymore.html

For those who want to read the article that forces Atwood to vote for Trump in 2024

Is this allowed Demi?

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midwives at Brighton and Sussex University Hospitals were told to start using terms such as “chest milk,” instead of breast milk. This, apparently, because some transgender men who give birth and nurse their babies were distressed at being reminded of what they were doing with those lactating female appendages. Although surely “breast” is a gender-neutral term, as both sexes have them and both can develop breast cancer.

This is one of those things that is hard to wrap your head around. This person literally just gave birth to a baby, but calling it breastmilk is what sends their gender dysphoria spiraling?

marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5262 on: October 19, 2021, 11:47:37 AM »
https://archive.md/2021.10.19-140408/https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2021/10/15/why-cant-we-say-woman-anymore.html

For those who want to read the article that forces Atwood to vote for Trump in 2024

Is this allowed Demi?
Appreciate the link, and your earlier thoughts.

I remain steadfast. Say 'woman'. Say 'women'. It's only an issue if you need to talk to social media fuckwits, and I'd advise you never do that anyway. Had to deal with this at work a lot because we accommodate pregnant men, and it really doesn't matter.

If anyone (in real life) gives you grief about 'women' not being inclusive enough, ask them if everybody gets a say in the abortion debate. The cognitive dissonance will render them inoperable whilst you make your way past them and find a real person to talk to instead.

Ya it's a problem when people insist on everyone using clinical/formal language colloquially for performative reasons. The ACLU editing Ginsberg being a prime example of when keeping it real goes wrong.

It's a very prescriptivist movement, instead of allowing colloquial language to develop naturally, brute forcing it through public shame. I can't get behind it personally and will continue to refer to women as women when not in a clinical setting.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2021, 11:54:13 AM by marrec »

jorma

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5263 on: October 19, 2021, 11:51:01 AM »
https://archive.md/2021.10.19-140408/https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2021/10/15/why-cant-we-say-woman-anymore.html

For those who want to read the article that forces Atwood to vote for Trump in 2024

Is this allowed Demi?
Appreciate the link, and your earlier thoughts.

I remain steadfast. Say 'woman'. Say 'women'. It's only an issue if you need to talk to social media fuckwits, and I'd advise you never do that anyway. Had to deal with this at work a lot because we accommodate pregnant men, and it really doesn't matter.

If anyone (in real life) gives you grief about 'women' not being inclusive enough, ask them if everybody gets a say in the abortion debate. The cognitive dissonance will render them inoperable whilst you make your way past them and find a real person to talk to instead.

Ya it's a problem is when people insist on everyone using clinical/formal language colloquially for performative reasons. The ACLU editing Ginsberg being a prime example of when keeping it real goes wrong.

It's a very prescriptivist movement, instead of allowing colloquial language to develop naturally, brute forcing it through public shame. I can't get behind it personally and will continue to refer to women as women when not in a clinical setting.

spoken like a true semen ejector  :piss

Joe Molotov

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5264 on: October 19, 2021, 11:52:50 AM »
that erases impotent penis havers :ufup
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marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5265 on: October 19, 2021, 11:55:28 AM »
https://archive.md/2021.10.19-140408/https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2021/10/15/why-cant-we-say-woman-anymore.html

For those who want to read the article that forces Atwood to vote for Trump in 2024

Is this allowed Demi?

Quote
midwives at Brighton and Sussex University Hospitals were told to start using terms such as “chest milk,” instead of breast milk. This, apparently, because some transgender men who give birth and nurse their babies were distressed at being reminded of what they were doing with those lactating female appendages. Although surely “breast” is a gender-neutral term, as both sexes have them and both can develop breast cancer.

This is one of those things that is hard to wrap your head around. This person literally just gave birth to a baby, but calling it breastmilk is what sends their gender dysphoria spiraling?

My wife, a smart and thoughtful woman who is sympathetic toward Trans issues, has very similar issues with this kind of clear disingenuous activism. If you start from the premise of "being referred to as a woman is physically bad for me" then you'd think being pregnant would be extremely distressing for any trans man but it's just the language part that gives them the willies, which is exemplary of the psychosomatic nature of gender dysphoria rather than some physical aspect of their anatomy. Logically it seems more of a societal side effect stemming from systemic oppression and/or a mistaken path followed by otherwise marginalized people who are searching for some radical form of identity... but I don't want to dismiss or belittle the Trans lived experience so I won't speculate further.

...

I wonder what Rick Ross, hip-hop mogul and Expert Consultant and Intervention Specialist, thinks about all this
« Last Edit: October 19, 2021, 11:59:33 AM by marrec »

Pissy F Benny

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5266 on: October 19, 2021, 12:00:32 PM »
tell us about the biological realities next pls ;)
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marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5267 on: October 19, 2021, 12:03:09 PM »
tell us about the biological realities next pls ;)

I support trans people and their rights pls don't smack my peepee mama AOC

HaughtyFrank

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5268 on: October 19, 2021, 12:12:44 PM »
https://archive.md/2021.10.19-140408/https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2021/10/15/why-cant-we-say-woman-anymore.html

For those who want to read the article that forces Atwood to vote for Trump in 2024

Is this allowed Demi?

Quote
midwives at Brighton and Sussex University Hospitals were told to start using terms such as “chest milk,” instead of breast milk. This, apparently, because some transgender men who give birth and nurse their babies were distressed at being reminded of what they were doing with those lactating female appendages. Although surely “breast” is a gender-neutral term, as both sexes have them and both can develop breast cancer.

This is one of those things that is hard to wrap your head around. This person literally just gave birth to a baby, but calling it breastmilk is what sends their gender dysphoria spiraling?

My wife, a smart and thoughtful woman who is sympathetic toward Trans issues, has very similar issues with this kind of clear disingenuous activism. If you start from the premise of "being referred to as a woman is physically bad for me" then you'd think being pregnant would be extremely distressing for any trans man but it's just the language part that gives them the willies, which is exemplary of the psychosomatic nature of gender dysphoria rather than some physical aspect of their anatomy. Logically it seems more of a societal side effect stemming from systemic oppression and/or a mistaken path followed by otherwise marginalized people who are searching for some radical form of identity... but I don't want to dismiss or belittle the Trans lived experience so I won't speculate further.

...

I wonder what Rick Ross, hip-hop mogul and Expert Consultant and Intervention Specialist, thinks about all this

That's also true. You don't want to think that they're doing this just for shits and giggles. There's probably something real there, but it's hard to understand where exactly it's coming from.

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5269 on: October 19, 2021, 12:15:33 PM »
Massive essay, won't quote it all: https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/post-75489807

That's a whole fucking lotta wordswordswords to say


"we allow some slurs, because in america blahblahblah" just don't allow slurs idiots, if someones saying "fuck your crackery" as a response they're not actually debating a topic anymore

"there are some issues with members not understanding bans" oh, no fucking shit? Try having a codified list of rules that may result in a ban then, rather than pulling shit like 'downplaying' or 'sensitive thread' at a whim

"sometimes I have to go and do research off site as to why someone should be banned" - NO YOU FUCKING DON'T, YOU MELT. Did they break rule? Its a fucking yes/no binary decision

"I'm uneasy about being paid, because I like my 'culture' and 'community'" = "I like how I can play fast and loose with the rules and play favorites with my snitches and sycophants" - THATS LITERALLY WHY THE HOI POLLOI NORMIES FUCKING HATE YOU.

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5270 on: October 19, 2021, 12:17:55 PM »
What's going to happen is Atwood will defend herself, and in doing so will make further purity mistakes entrenching herself more and more as a "TERF" in the view of radicals, to the point where she'll publicly join Chappelle on Team TERF because there is no other option.

She's already on 'the list' for signing that long letter saying authors (ie JKR) shouldn't be getting death threats for expressing opinions.
e: which is probably why people have been scouring every interview or statement she makes to underscore her badthink and get her fully targetted

marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5271 on: October 19, 2021, 12:18:57 PM »
https://archive.md/2021.10.19-140408/https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2021/10/15/why-cant-we-say-woman-anymore.html

For those who want to read the article that forces Atwood to vote for Trump in 2024

Is this allowed Demi?

Quote
midwives at Brighton and Sussex University Hospitals were told to start using terms such as “chest milk,” instead of breast milk. This, apparently, because some transgender men who give birth and nurse their babies were distressed at being reminded of what they were doing with those lactating female appendages. Although surely “breast” is a gender-neutral term, as both sexes have them and both can develop breast cancer.

This is one of those things that is hard to wrap your head around. This person literally just gave birth to a baby, but calling it breastmilk is what sends their gender dysphoria spiraling?

My wife, a smart and thoughtful woman who is sympathetic toward Trans issues, has very similar issues with this kind of clear disingenuous activism. If you start from the premise of "being referred to as a woman is physically bad for me" then you'd think being pregnant would be extremely distressing for any trans man but it's just the language part that gives them the willies, which is exemplary of the psychosomatic nature of gender dysphoria rather than some physical aspect of their anatomy. Logically it seems more of a societal side effect stemming from systemic oppression and/or a mistaken path followed by otherwise marginalized people who are searching for some radical form of identity... but I don't want to dismiss or belittle the Trans lived experience so I won't speculate further.

...

I wonder what Rick Ross, hip-hop mogul and Expert Consultant and Intervention Specialist, thinks about all this

That's also true. You don't want to think that they're doing this just for shits and giggles. There's probably something real there, but it's hard to understand where exactly it's coming from.

Psychosomatic disorders are 100% real and should be treated as seriously as any other disorder for sure, it's going to be impossible for those of us who don't experience their dysphoria to really understand what it feels like, but science should be able to eventually explain it's origin at least to a moderately reasonable degree.

The real humdinger of a question would then become, is curing trans dysphoria at it's source inherently transphobic? Would people/parents refuse to receive whatever intervention was necessary beyond physical gender transition the same way some deaf people/parents refuse hearing implants?

benjipwns

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5272 on: October 19, 2021, 12:19:01 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-ownership-update.499677/post-75512523
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Can someone put this dumpster fire of a thread out of its misery already? What’s it gonna take?
Quote from: Nepenthe
Not bumping it would help.
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If this was any other thread, it would have been locked a long time ago. But you know exactly whats gonna happen the second they lock this thread. You know exactly what shape the narrative is going to take the moment they do. "The mods don't want us to talking about the sale! What are they trying to hide?!?!"

I honestly don't know how this thread is supposed to end except by more time, until it actually does die on it's own.
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If the last 50 or so pages is anything to go by that narrative is going to be a thing no matter what the mods do at this point. They have answered every question that has been sent their way as best they can and yet you still have people acting like transistor and the rest of the staff are sitting behind their keyboards with their fingers interlocked menacingly.


When the truth isn't satisfying some people will just invent their own.
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You’d have a point if it started a few hours ago. This thread has been up since last Thursday
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The length of time does not matter. We will be accused of shutting down discussion regardless.
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Just close this fucking thread already. Jesus Christ
a discussion forum where people beg for discussion to be shut down :hmm

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5273 on: October 19, 2021, 12:28:11 PM »
Me thinks their user level isn't high enough to close a cerium thread.

:teehee

prove me wrong guest mods.

joeboy101

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5274 on: October 19, 2021, 12:35:24 PM »
Quote
If the last 50 or so pages is anything to go by that narrative is going to be a thing no matter what the mods do at this point. They have answered every question that has been sent their way as best they can and yet you still have people acting like transistor and the rest of the staff are sitting behind their keyboards with their fingers interlocked menacingly.


When the truth isn't satisfying some people will just invent their own.

Here’s a thought: Maybe because it’s not the truth?

One reason its important for mods to arbitrate fairly and cleanly is so that their reputation gives wait to their words, thus having people believe them. ResetERA mods have had fun being royal assholes to anyone not in their clique, but now, when they really need people to believe their words to be truth, users are telling them to pound sand. If they had been adjudicating based on a clear set of rules, people would hold them in better regard and there would be more… trust.

Instead, users mostly just don’t believe a word the mods say. And the hilarious bit is that isn’t my impression, that’s what the mods themselves are complaining about. But like Skinner, they think its not them that could be having a problem, but this large toxic, petty community that they have been headlining, developing, and leading for 4 years.

The myopia takes my breath away. 

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5275 on: October 19, 2021, 12:50:56 PM »
If they weren't so arrogant and continue to think they're the smartest ones in the room, despite overwhelming evidence that's not the case, they could have made the thread a 'real' announcement and not obfuscated as 'some changes about site ownership', and when pressed by users for details they don't know or making promises they can't keep would just say "Sorry, I don't know; we'll compile a list of questions and pass them on for you".

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5276 on: October 19, 2021, 12:54:30 PM »
My favorite one was when someone tried to argue the word "update" was obfuscating the sale because update could have technically referred to different kinds of changes, and apparently it's the mods fault for miswording it in order to get less eyeballs on it. Lol.

haha so funny and completely untrue because they've never used that wording for trivial things haha


Its not even slightly contentious to say that a total site buy out being signposted the same way as a tech upgrade is, and all discussion being put in 'a containment thread' is a deliberate way of handling this news - especially when people have tried to make threads elsewhere before getting shut down the very first posts in them were along the lines of "wait, wtf? really?"

Joe Molotov

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5277 on: October 19, 2021, 01:00:21 PM »
Update: TAGS!
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marrec

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5278 on: October 19, 2021, 01:04:51 PM »
Update: TAGS!

alsowesoldthesitetoshadyeuropeans

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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Re: Off-Site Discussion: Salty Crackers
« Reply #5279 on: October 19, 2021, 01:05:01 PM »
So that Colin Powell obit thread...