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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21960 on: June 08, 2022, 04:54:52 PM »
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85% favor more NYPD officers in the subway, including 82% of Democrats and a whopping 91% of Black voters.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/85-of-new-yorkers-91-of-black-voters-favor-more-police-in-the-subway-and-60-support-homeless-encampment-sweeps.592629/

No no no no.

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Yes the data sucks but people need to stop assuming that the default opinion is what they see on Twitter with 100k RTs. Engage with voters and tell them how your plans will address their concerns or we'll cede more and more ground to hard on crime and the right.

This is an alarmingly reasonable post for Era.

Oh wait, it went completely ignored.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21961 on: June 08, 2022, 05:41:16 PM »
Adding the pronouns to the title is turning more and more into a parody

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ezra-miller-accused-of-grooming-drugging-and-assaulting-14-year-old-girls-family-asks-for-protection-in-court-they-them.592710/

Edit: Updated title  :lol

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MOD EDIT: As usual, Ezra Miller uses They/Them pronouns please respectfully use those pronouns when talking about Ezra.

News and eveyone else: "Hey, Erza Miller is a groomer/rapist/pedo."
ResetERA: "The most important thing in this story is to remember to respect the groomer's/rapist's/pedo's pronouns."

Do they not see this makes them look nuts? They look like they care more about proper pronoun usage than, you know, child abuse. They are proving to be the caricature others see that community as.

Well they don’t give a fuck about male abuse victims so not caring about kids being abused is perfectly in character.

Nintex

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21962 on: June 08, 2022, 05:49:59 PM »
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Tuckers Law

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21963 on: June 08, 2022, 05:50:45 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/itt-let’s-commit-to-and-reflect-on-doing-at-least-1-quantifiable-significant-pro-trans-action-this-pride-month.592749/

I’m in, I’m gonna tweet “Fuck OoooooFFFfff” to Joanne :ego

I’m well in for this.  My plan is to provide any trans people I interact with online some top-notch quality constructive criticism, because really, that’s a true gift that can’t be beat.

The trans people I interact with IRL won’t benefit from the above efforts, as they’re normal people and don’t behave like hyperbolic entitled children, so my plan here is to treat them just as I would everyone else.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21964 on: June 08, 2022, 06:04:41 PM »
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1) Google “trans youth organizations.” A list will immediately appear. Pick one and donate $10-50 (your meal you were going to order, skip that, make a s sandwich, and donate instead). A great one is The Trevor Project.

2) Thinking about buying apparel or pride clothing this month? Skip a generic or basic pride article and instead buy a $20 pro-trans shirt. Preferably one that donates proceeds to trans organizations. If you can’t afford $20, consider wearing trans colors pink white and baby blue. Wear these pro-trans clothes outside in public at least 1 day this month and post about if you get any reactions. Consider doing it SEPARATE from a pride event, instead wear it going errands or grocery shopping or picking your kid up from school. What did you do if any of those reactions led to comments or conversation?

3) If you don’t have money, volunteer with your time. Spend at least 1 day this month making meals for or hanging out with trans or homeless LGBTQ youth at a local organization in your city. If you don’t have one, I guarantee you have some kind of generic homeless or youth organization nearby, and be open to asking or conversing about trans issues. If you feel comfortable conversing with anyone at such an event, consider asking if they know anyone trans, and if they do, start the conversation this pride month. We need more trans awareness if anything!

4) Consider being a forum ally buddy for a trans poster on Era. In other words, feel free to use this thread to connect with trans users and introduce yourself and be a forum friend, ask them what you can do to support them and their needs this pride month, and reflect on that. This is not intended to sound contrived or forced, it’s just an idea to consider especially if you’ve never talked to a trans person before.

5) Attend a drag show and tip the queens/kings, cheer and get involved as an ally, and ask at the event if the venue is doing anything to support trans rights, advocacy, or charity.

6) Invite at least 1 cishet friend or family member to a pride event with you and follow up if they accept to make sure you go together. Encourage questions and ask them if they are interested in supporting trans issues with you.

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If anyone wants the shirt I have here’s the link. It’s by scummy Amazon but at least it’s cute and cheap ($18). Consider finding a shirt on Etsy made by a LGBTQ+ person and buying that instead/too!
Protect Trans Kids, LGBTQ Pride, Ally Gift, Trans Pride Flag T-Shirt https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09WHRBNVS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_FAT0KRNFYAJPHWAHAZCF?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1


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How cis-centric your drag scene is is highly dependent on your location. Some areas you have a ton of trans and non-binary drag performers pushing limits and breaking boundaries in drag, while other areas are still very much in the RuPaul pageant queen style of drag. Like anything else, its important to know who your dollars are supporting. <3
Every day we learn new things
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21965 on: June 08, 2022, 07:14:55 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/marvel-studios-ms-marvel-ot-in-brightest-day-in-embiggened-night-lgbtqia-lives-matter-wednesdays-at-1-50-am-cst-on-disney.592104/page-9#post-87989853

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I noticed that too.

BOO for the removal of Shang-Chi! Seriously! One of the rare bits of representAsian we get and they remove him...

No. Stop.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21966 on: June 08, 2022, 08:06:12 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/san-francisco-da-chesa-boudin-has-officially-been-recalled-from-office.592617/

Copium.

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Man, progressives REALLY gave to start trying to find a way reach PoCs because this keeps happening, especially on the national level with Bernie Sanders.
Have they tried creating strange gender neutral terms with x's for the people of color to use to label themselves?

The last Latinx thread I saw on Era had people saying that it didn't really work with the Spanish language and was politically radioactive with the Latino population and that Liberal/Left politicians needed to drop it yesterday.

A TransEra poster filibustered the thread, made vague accusations and allusions towards suicide, and the mods came in and handed out bans everywhere.

Uncle

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21967 on: June 08, 2022, 08:07:59 PM »
imagine if era was conducted orderly like congress

poster walks up to the mic and says "um, filibuster"

others get in line and say "I am ready for my ban, madame speaker"
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21968 on: June 08, 2022, 08:12:01 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/cyberpunk-edgerunners-official-teaser-trailer-and-clip.593118/#post-87998928

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So would this count for going to the Cyberpunk containment thread?

:nintendo

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The rule was for the game Cyberpunk 2077, which this is not, so I would assume no.

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The original thread for the anime got locked tho

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Oh. Idk then.

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CDPR is producing the show, same rule applies I think

Just regular message board discussions  :era
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21969 on: June 08, 2022, 08:13:49 PM »
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How cis-centric your drag scene is is highly dependent on your location. Some areas you have a ton of trans and non-binary drag performers pushing limits and breaking boundaries in drag, while other areas are still very much in the RuPaul pageant queen style of drag. Like anything else, its important to know who your dollars are supporting. <3

Hang on wouldn't a trans doing drag just be a trans wearing their everyday clothes?

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21970 on: June 08, 2022, 08:55:41 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/johnny-depp-jury-finds-that-amber-heard-defamed-him-in-op-ed.590196/page-34#post-87997008

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/constructive-community-discussion.270630/post-87993582

If y'all have any questions about posting in here, refer to this thread.

Also, if you are posting in here without any context of the previous posts in the thread, well...maybe read this.

Also this extends to other threads like the Giant Bomb thread, where people cannot seem to help themselves in bleeding the same arguements over there.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21971 on: June 08, 2022, 09:07:53 PM »
"if you would like to discuss any examples of moderation's double-standards, please visit our great big thread that people can't read."

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« Reply #21972 on: June 08, 2022, 09:31:36 PM »
The post he's linking to there:
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Ok, I'm going to try to clarify some shit here.

I did not watch the trial, nor did I follow any of the discussion leading up to it. What can I say, I have zero interest in any sort of public trial like this. But you fuckers made me do my research.

So here are some points:

- Heard was found guilty of DEFAMATION. Not abuse. Now, I am aware that these things are intrinsically linked due to the nature of the defamation claim, but let's at least focus on what the actual trial was about.

- This trial was a public spectacle, which means that EVERYONE could see EVERYTHING going on. That means misogynists could see it, MRAs could see it, men who have been abused could see it, and women who have been abused can see it.  Every. Single. Person. is going to have a different perspective regarding both the positions of the plaintiff and defendant, as well as the outcome of the trial.

- #MeToo has been a galvinising force over the past several years, and the underlying conceit of that movement was "Believe Women." Now - that does not mean "believe women unconditionally," it means "believe women who have a concern, and don't dismiss it as simply hysteria or bullshit."  Opponents of #MeToo have been waiting for this moment because they have been trying to make this an "unconditionally believe women" thing, because they are incapable of nuance. The moment a women is the culprit is the moment they pounce.

- Just because Heard was found guilty of defamation DOES NOT MEAN that there could not POSSIBLY (POSSIBLY) be fault on either side.  Again, I didn't follow the trial or any bit of it because I love myself, but my understanding is that there was toxic behavior from both of them, with Heard instigating the brunt of it.  People can be both the abuser and the abused, but all that ultimately matters is the severity of it when it comes to court.

- Back to my second point - I am not going to fault women, who have been abused, from siding with Heard.  They've likely been victims of ages of gaslighting, physical/mental/psychic abuse, and they may ultimately have an inherent distrust in situations like this. THE SAME GOES FOR MEN, who supported Depp and have had similar experiences. Or hell, even those of one sex/gender that support the other. Shit happens, and people have experiences that lead them to conclusions regardless of evidence. Some may be swayed, but others may not.  I'm hesitant to say THEY AREN'T BAD PEOPLE, because obviously jackasses like MRAs will latch onto this movement, but still. They exist.

- The "freezing effect," as people have put it, is just...nonsense. It is not that difficult to be happy about the outcome and yet show some empathy towards those who are (in good faith) not having it. Cheering on someone because they are a celebrity is just a dumbass take of the highest order. Yes, men can be abused. Shock. This should be celebrated as a win, but also a cautionary tale about how to deal with the aftermath - Heard defamed (lied) about aspects of her testimony, but it is entirely possible that she was truthful about Depp's actions towards her in other instances. My tertiary knowledge of the trial shows me that they both had some instances of shitty behavior.

- Concerns about the future of #MeToo are valid. The public nature of this trial, as well as shitheads magnifying the "omg women can lie" nature of it are potential damaging outlets. But I doubt it's the death of it, as it's one instance amongst thousands.  All that said, people that are lamenting its downfall are not necessarily "trolls."  Do they exist? Absolutely. But that is what the report function is for - so we can look through everything and make a determination.

There's a bunch of posts in there of people hashing out the Heard/Depp stuff, then that, then some more posts and:
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Guaranteed most of those who keep repeating ad Nauseam 'we watched the trial! We watched the trial' did not sit through the entire televised proceedings and watch the same recaps and summaries as the rest of us did lol
I know we kicked you out of this thread, but that's kinda what I mean when I say "report them." Give us the context you think is applicable, and we'll look at it. We have hundreds of thousands of posts a day, so we can't see everything, but giving us the context can help us get problematic users out more quickly.

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There are so many sensitive subjects discussed here on Era that also involve trauma and media circus that the same excuses given would not often fly here. That's what's baffling to me. Same with some of the other language (ex. no angel, both sidesing) being often utilized.

Dude, tell me about it.  As a general rule we understand the dumbass notions that are evident when it comes to "both-sidesing" something. There are instances where it makes sense, but those are few and far between.  We all ingest a large amount of media sources, both MSM and otherwise, and I feel that we have a good grasp on things (maybe not at the outset - e.g., shit like Uvalde, there was information and data flying everywhere for the first 12 hours or so), but shit will always present itself in a digestible fashion.

Short version: We absolutely cannot be on top of every traumatizing event at the outset - simply because we do not have all of the information. However, users can at least express their views without driving a stake into the heart of every user that may have a SLIGHTLY different view of it.  There will be plenty of time to figure out whether or not those users are acting in good faith or not.

My entire job here is looking at bad faith actors, alt accounts, and essentially determining whether or not a user should be here or not.  It is not always a quick solution. Sometimes I need more information.  That's why we always say report, don't engage.  There are plenty of users that I, and others on staff, don't want to ban but end up having to because they break the rules on things like aggression.  And the end goal of that rule is to foster an environment where people can discuss games without being pelted with dipshit aggressive opinions.

Report, don't engage.

Someone asks  essentially "will Era do anything to help promote the tv/movie/entertainment parts of the forum?"

Which means Hecht gets to whine about that one time somebody made an Iraq war comparison, then more blaming the users for not making the forum the utopia the mods are fully willing to put the weight of "the IP" behind.

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Hmmm.

Well, let me just say that about 4 years ago, we tried to segregate the "entertainment" side from the "etcetera" side. Basically movies/tv/etc vs everything else. We even had comparisons to the Iraq War, because, you know, THAT MAKES SENSE.  Kirblar, wherever you are, I <3 u. But not really. Take a Xanax.  Short version is - it did not go well, because people hate change.

To be perfectly honest, on a personal level, I woud love splitting the forum into Games/Entertainment/EtcEtera.  I think that would go a long way to bringing people in who are interested in each of those separate areas.

I don't think we will ever get away from the video game focus, regardless of how we are able to restructure things. Which makes sense - that's what we are here for - to have a place for gamers to discuss games without (hopefully) the bullshit that exists on so many other sites. We aren't perfect, but that has always been the main driving factor of why we do what we do here.

If ResetEra is ever going to evolve past a "tolerant video game forum", it's really going to be on the backs of the members - we are more than willing to put the support of the IP behind anyone who is working towards social justice, but it has to start with people on the site.

Speaking of the Mafia Community, I was one of the founding members of that community - but since I have become staff and have had to make decisions which do not satisfy everyone, I have since left.  I miss being a part of that, but I also understand that as "management," I'm not going to be able to satisfy each and every one of their needs.  I just can't - they are varied and impossible to reconcile.  I will say that I, and the rest of staff, are committed to making this a safe place for gamers to interact with each other.  It won't be easy, and it won't be immediate, but it will be ongoing and seen by staff.   But as staff, I am apparently "the enemy," so I have just accepted that role in Mafia.

All hail the Escort.

I will take off my staff hat here, because the rest will be my personal opinion:

There is far too much infighting. And the largest part of that, based on reports I see, is people just failing to communicate their intentions.  The majority of our reports are dumbass shit like console/platform warring, which, fine, you're gone. Go enjoy your plastic electronic box elsewhere.  But the next up is people who are just being shitheads to one another, and largely for no good reason.  It's people talking past each other, largely.  We get reports on posts, and then look at each other like "wtf these morons are saying the same thing."  A lot of people who are reported are saying the same thing, or they are not including some context from a 4000-post thread, which is understandable.

Report, don't engage. Please. For the love of god.  I know you will see this, because a lot of the people who get angry are in this thread.

Anyway, I know I went off on a tangent and I apologize. But I do understand your theory and I actually approve of it, but it's something we just have to work towards.

Really I just posted this because Hecht referring to Era as "the IP" should be seen by a wider audience than just the secret thread.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21973 on: June 08, 2022, 09:31:37 PM »
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4) Consider being a forum ally buddy for a trans poster on Era. In other words, feel free to use this thread to connect with trans users and introduce yourself and be a forum friend, ask them what you can do to support them and their needs this pride month, and reflect on that.
What does this mean?

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21974 on: June 08, 2022, 09:38:35 PM »
I'll be buying a shirt to start wearing to my gaming club. I've already gotten into lively discussions with some people there around trans athletes. It'll hopefully prompt more.
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May I use this thread to bring some attention to Critical Kate? She's a wonderful content creator that's been putting out fantastic video game history videos for a while, including the "Video Dames" series which explores the very first female characters in videogames.
This is wonderful! Thank you so much for bringing attention to this. I never thought about it but maybe there are more trans YouTubers we can bring attention to by subscribing or watching their videos. It also costs nothing but can impact a trans persons YouTube career in a positive way, which is important given there are SO many transphobes on YouTube and social media making anti-trans content out there. This is a good way to push back against that cultural influence in a small but significant way!
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Yeah, I personally find it shocking how little public recognition she's got considering her amazing work, even taking into account Youtube's massive antifeminist / antitrans bias. I wouldn't even know of her if it wasn't for the Van Mai saga.
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Here's another creator that you can support: she's been creating incredible artwork, animation and games for a long time now:
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21975 on: June 08, 2022, 09:50:24 PM »
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4) Consider being a forum ally buddy for a trans poster on Era. In other words, feel free to use this thread to connect with trans users and introduce yourself and be a forum friend, ask them what you can do to support them and their needs this pride month, and reflect on that.
What does this mean?

Hi Benji.  My name is Uncle.  I've been around the Bore for a while and, well, I just wanted to let you know I'm willing to be a forum friend to you.  I'll be there for you, and I'd like to help support you in any way I can, even if all that means is being a sounding board or a shoulder to cry on.  Whatever your needs are, let me know and I'll try to accommodate.  Any interactions we have will help me reflect on your unique perspective and could help broaden my horizons, hopefully in a way that I can pass on to others as well.

We're all in this thing together, and it's a little less lonely with a buddy by your side.
Uncle

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21976 on: June 08, 2022, 09:53:53 PM »
The post he's linking to there:
Quote from: Hecht
I did not watch the trial, nor did I follow any of the discussion leading up to it. What can I say, I have zero interest in any sort of public trial like this. But you fuckers made me do my research. ...  Again, I didn't follow the trial or any bit of it because I love myself, but ... but all that ultimately matters is the severity of it when it comes to court ... Heard defamed (lied) about aspects of her testimony, but it is entirely possible that she was truthful about Depp's actions towards her in other instances. My tertiary knowledge of the trial shows me that they both had some instances of shitty behavior.
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We all ingest a large amount of media sources, both MSM and otherwise, and I feel that we have a good grasp on things (maybe not at the outset - e.g., shit like Uvalde, there was information and data flying everywhere for the first 12 hours or so), but shit will always present itself in a digestible fashion.

Short version: We absolutely cannot be on top of every traumatizing event at the outset - simply because we do not have all of the information.
:hmm

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And the end goal of that rule is to foster an environment where people can discuss games without being pelted with dipshit aggressive opinions.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21977 on: June 08, 2022, 10:37:52 PM »
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Just because Heard was found guilty of defamation DOES NOT MEAN that there could not POSSIBLY (POSSIBLY) be fault on either side.  Again, I didn't follow the trial or any bit of it because I love myself, but my understanding is that there was toxic behavior from both of them, with Heard instigating the brunt of it.  People can be both the abuser and the abused, but all that ultimately matters is the severity of it when it comes to court.

This is victim blaming and akin to saying the abused defending themselves or lightly retaliating is equivalent to abuse.  It would not be said if the genders were flipped.

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Back to my second point - I am not going to fault women, who have been abused, from siding with Heard.  They've likely been victims of ages of gaslighting, physical/mental/psychic abuse, and they may ultimately have an inherent distrust in situations like this. THE SAME GOES FOR MEN, who supported Depp and have had similar experiences. Or hell, even those of one sex/gender that support the other. Shit happens, and people have experiences that lead them to conclusions regardless of evidence. Some may be swayed, but others may not.  I'm hesitant to say THEY AREN'T BAD PEOPLE, because obviously jackasses like MRAs will latch onto this movement, but still. They exist.

This is coddling people who refuse to see objective reality due to past trauma.  It's an explicitly anti-truth stance that discourages critical thinking in favor of feelings, a literal justification of Ben Shapiro's "Facts don't care about your feelings" nonsense.  This would not be a valid response in literally any other instance regardless of trauma.

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The "freezing effect," as people have put it, is just...nonsense. It is not that difficult to be happy about the outcome and yet show some empathy towards those who are (in good faith) not having it. Cheering on someone because they are a celebrity is just a dumbass take of the highest order. Yes, men can be abused. Shock. This should be celebrated as a win, but also a cautionary tale about how to deal with the aftermath - Heard defamed (lied) about aspects of her testimony, but it is entirely possible that she was truthful about Depp's actions towards her in other instances. My tertiary knowledge of the trial shows me that they both had some instances of shitty behavior.

The "maybe he DID abuse her" stance is prime appeal to ignorance fallacy.  It also saps all context from the findings of the trial in favor of a weak both sides argument, something that again would not happen if the genders were flipped.

That said, Depp is still largely seen as the victim here, which is more than can be said about literally every other progressive-adjacent place on the internet.  It's still noticeable how much they have to drag their feet on this compared to every other abuse case in the world.  I'm convinced there are people on staff that are pro-Heard.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21978 on: June 08, 2022, 11:14:41 PM »
According to Hecht everyone will have different perspectives on the Heard-Depp trial, whereas for every other topic on the site there is one valid perspective and the rest are bannable.

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Every. Single. Person. is going to have a different perspective
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21979 on: June 08, 2022, 11:18:34 PM »
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. Just because Heard was found guilty of defamation DOES NOT MEAN that there could not POSSIBLY (POSSIBLY) be fault on either side.  Again, I didn't follow the trial or any bit of it because I love myself, but my understanding is that there was toxic behavior from both of them, with Heard instigating the brunt of it.  People can be both the abuser and the abused, but all that ultimately matters is the severity of it when it comes to court.

You would be eaten alive if you posted that take in the Depp thread (and in by some blue marks that claim that mutual abuse doesn’t exist).

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21980 on: June 08, 2022, 11:28:35 PM »
I just want to point out something I realized about Hecht's post after cosmicblizzard quoted it. Basically nobody on ResetERA.com he's referring to are calling Amber Heard an abuser and liar and so on because of the verdict regarding defamation, pretty much all the people on the forum posting those things are doing it because they paid attention to the trial with most of them watching almost every day of it. Lots of the Depp support broadly started before the verdict and most informed people, plus uninformed people like myself, didn't expect Depp to actually win the case. (Although the gambit certainly seemed to work in helping to repair his image with some of the public no matter what the legal outcome was going to be.)

Hecht is boasting of his ignorance about the trial and how he did "research" well after the case concluded, but he also indicates he didn't really investigate any of the testimony. It was the testimony, not the verdict, that seemed to sway most people, including those on ResetERA.com who are reacting so strongly about the case and the jury who issued the verdict.

Is Hecht doing this deliberately? I don't know, since I'm not a ResetERA.com staff member I don't assume people are acting in bad faith when they could merely be misguided. But at the same time, Hecht has assured me that ResetERA.com staff members are subject matter experts on all topics because their "job" demands it. If it does anything it makes me start to question the expertise Hecht proclaims in "looking at bad faith actors, alt accounts, and essentially determining whether or not a user should be here or not" when he's so fundamentally misreading the furor around the trial.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21981 on: June 08, 2022, 11:47:37 PM »
A mod has now sanctioned the belief that a guy can’t be an abuse victim and Era will allow this take.

Holy fucking shit. They actually went this far. In a thread where members have said they have been on the receiving end in an abusive relationship. Hecht you absolute slime ball piece of shit.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #21982 on: June 09, 2022, 12:27:03 AM »
A mod has now sanctioned the belief that a guy can’t be an abuse victim and Era will allow this take.

Holy fucking shit. They actually went this far. In a thread where members have said they have been on the receiving end in an abusive relationship. Hecht you absolute slime ball piece of shit.

What the fuck are you talking about?

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« Reply #21983 on: June 09, 2022, 01:30:50 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-studios-ot29-please-be-excited-no-enemies-of-ps-allowed-kthx.592356/

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« Reply #21984 on: June 09, 2022, 01:40:50 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-studios-ot29-please-be-excited-no-enemies-of-ps-allowed-kthx.592356/

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« Reply #21985 on: June 09, 2022, 03:10:16 AM »
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there was information and data flying everywhere for the first 12 hours or so

Who said it

A) Hecht
B) Donald Trump
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« Reply #21986 on: June 09, 2022, 03:53:55 AM »
It's really telling that they only do the whole enlightened centrist "ackshually.... BOTH sides are bad" thing when it's a male victim

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« Reply #21987 on: June 09, 2022, 04:48:04 AM »
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- #MeToo has been a galvinising force over the past several years, and the underlying conceit of that movement was "Believe Women." Now - that does not mean "believe women unconditionally," it means "believe women who have a concern, and don't dismiss it as simply hysteria or bullshit."  Opponents of #MeToo have been waiting for this moment because they have been trying to make this an "unconditionally believe women" thing, because they are incapable of nuance. The moment a women is the culprit is the moment they pounce.

For the longest of times they have been banning people who don't believe women unconditionally, this is just revisionist history.
He talks about nuance and yet anyone who applies some critical thinking to an allegation gets banned
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« Reply #21988 on: June 09, 2022, 05:12:39 AM »
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Again, I didn't follow the trial or any bit of it because I love myself
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« Reply #21989 on: June 09, 2022, 06:52:43 AM »
Quote from: Hecht
- #MeToo has been a galvinising force over the past several years, and the underlying conceit of that movement was "Believe Women." Now - that does not mean "believe women unconditionally," it means "believe women who have a concern, and don't dismiss it as simply hysteria or bullshit."  Opponents of #MeToo have been waiting for this moment because they have been trying to make this an "unconditionally believe women" thing, because they are incapable of nuance. The moment a women is the culprit is the moment they pounce.

For the longest of times they have been banning people who don't believe women unconditionally, this is just revisionist history.
He talks about nuance and yet anyone who applies some critical thinking to an allegation gets banned
I was banned for "downplaying sexual assault accusations" for questioning an accusation against Maynard Keenan from Tool which was nothing more than an anonymous Twatter post with no evidence or credibility whatsoever. The accusation went nowhere and was clearly just someone trying to stir shit.

Now that fuckhead Hecht says believe women doesn't mean believe them unconditionally. He really is the most disingenuous cunt on that site.

That ban was also the history of histories that earned me a "history of severe infractions" ban message on my perm.
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« Reply #21990 on: June 09, 2022, 07:28:31 AM »
It's really telling that they only do the whole enlightened centrist "ackshually.... BOTH sides are bad" thing when it's a male victim

Christ, watch the language.

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« Reply #21991 on: June 09, 2022, 07:30:37 AM »
Meanwhile on Fantasy Island-

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Im old school. I dont play around at my house. Respect is everything. Run the program, get rewards. Follow the program and enjoy your rewards.
Disobey orders? Disrespect and get out of line? Have the gracious school teacher take time to call me on my busy day about your shitty behavior at school?

although as a parent in 2022, taking internet access away form your kid is worse than beating up spanking your kid.
My kid cries like he getting the worse spanking of his life when I take that internet away from his bitch ass..

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Finally, I've found the high quality parent in this thread!

Keep doing what you're doing. My parents were strict with me, and neither of them tolerated bullshit. And I grew up to be happy, disciplined, and successful, and when I visit them I try to remind them how thankful I am for the way they raised me.

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To anyone that may want to counter with "eh y'all are just a bunch of old people yelling at the clouds complaining about the new generation"...

... No, this is different. Society has gotten soft to the point where it's going to be potentially troublesome for them when the grow up. We can already see it with younger millennials and Gen Z'ers, who throw a childlike tantrum when they don't have things exactly their way.

This is a real problem.

I don’t know how you describe these hee haws. Sitcom dads? Rogan parents?

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/do-kids-still-get-disciplined-at-school.1637579/



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« Reply #21992 on: June 09, 2022, 08:04:37 AM »
Giant dads?

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« Reply #21993 on: June 09, 2022, 08:17:22 AM »
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« Reply #21994 on: June 09, 2022, 10:09:55 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-covid-death-rate-for-white-americans-has-recently-exceeded-the-rates-for-black-latino-and-asian-americans.593244/#post-88025172

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Some of ya'lls responses to mass death is very unsettling.

RIP to those taken, regardless of race, color or creed. Death sucks.

Jesus. This is that centrist hate speech that I've been warned about. Thank fuck they'll perma this lunatic before he can spread more of this 'actually people dying is kinda bad' nonsense.

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« Reply #21995 on: June 09, 2022, 11:15:57 AM »
Oh, NepNep gon perma that user's ass :horny


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« Reply #21997 on: June 09, 2022, 01:27:42 PM »



Yeah, man they're gonna start saying shit like "the butcher is intentionally putting covid in the meat at the deli because I'm white."

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« Reply #21998 on: June 09, 2022, 02:11:20 PM »
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4) Consider being a forum ally buddy for a trans poster on Era. In other words, feel free to use this thread to connect with trans users and introduce yourself and be a forum friend, ask them what you can do to support them and their needs this pride month, and reflect on that.


Hello internet friend.

You may have seen recently, a number of awfully online trans activists have been struggling lately.
It has many names; getting ratios, taking the L, seethe, but it all boils down to just not being able to shit up a conversation and turn it to be all about them as well as they used to.

HERE'S WHERE YOU CAN HELP.

A small donation of your time, you too can help Restore Clout to some of the internets most persistent community destroying voices.
For only 5 hours a day, you can idle in a discord, and be prepared to brigade topics and mass report posters with phrases like "JAQing off" or "They prefer they/them shitlord"
For only 10 hours per day, you can constantly scour twitter for badthink, and simultaneously get accounts banned, while reposting screenshots and talking about LITERAL GENOCIDE on every forum you can to reaffirm MOST VICTIMISED STATUS in public perception, even though factually that single mass shooting of Taiwanese church goers puts them at the top of the league table right now
For only 15 hours a day, you can help contribute to our crowd sourced gaslighting campaign, either by claiming people have said things they didn't, things that never happened did, citing misleading statistics, or attempting to silence multiple people on extremely innocuous grounds via the 'shingami eyes' blocklist for perceived badthink.
For only 20 hours a day, you can follow this select list of celebrities and not-at-all-celebrities, and engage in the war of attrition that eventually they will snap and get banned by contributing to a constant stream of threats of physical and sexual violence, pictures of sonic the hedgehog quoting dogma and retweeting long meandering medium blogposts as responses.

Most communities don't devour themselves naturally, please do all that you can to foster the paranoid narcistic shittiness environment that is these peoples natural habitat. They need YOUR help.

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« Reply #21999 on: June 09, 2022, 02:13:08 PM »

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- Heard was found guilty of DEFAMATION. Not abuse.

Bu-bu-but if words are literally violence, then in point of fact she actually was?

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« Reply #22000 on: June 09, 2022, 02:27:25 PM »
I feel like we all read that Tweet thread yesterday about Republican messaging:

https://twitter.com/_EthanGrey/status/1534024357957230594

But to answer the question, that quote about who the law does and doesn't bind is from Frank Wilhoit.

Look, an admin was pretty fucking clear the other day about just posting twitter rando 🧵s as an argument you are incapable of making yourse-

oh, nvm.

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« Reply #22001 on: June 09, 2022, 03:38:22 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/johnny-depp-jury-finds-that-amber-heard-defamed-him-in-op-ed.590196/page-34#post-87997008

Quote from: Hecht
https://www.resetera.com/threads/constructive-community-discussion.270630/post-87993582

If y'all have any questions about posting in here, refer to this thread.

Also, if you are posting in here without any context of the previous posts in the thread, well...maybe read this.

Also this extends to other threads like the Giant Bomb thread, where people cannot seem to help themselves in bleeding the same arguements over there.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/johnny-depp-jury-finds-that-amber-heard-defamed-him-in-op-ed.590196/page-34#post-88020600

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Oops! We ran into some problems.

You do not have permission to view this page or perform this action.
Is all I see when I try to open that thread.

Maybe you could move that information to a separate (announcement?) thread that is visible for everyone? It's a bit hard to follow rules/suggestions you aren't allowed to read.

Hecht ignores this poster.
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« Reply #22002 on: June 09, 2022, 03:47:19 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/armed-man-arrested-near-brett-kavanaughs-home-after-making-threats-against-justice.592932/page-3#post-87992214
Quote from: NeverWas
I won't shed a tear if any of them eat a bullet.


https://www.resetera.com/threads/armed-man-arrested-near-brett-kavanaughs-home-after-making-threats-against-justice.592932/page-3#post-87995433
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these weren't online threats. this guy called the cops on himself when he was outside of the justice's home carrying bags with a gun and other tools (crowbar, etc.) that he was going to use to break into the house and murder kav.
Weak. This is the type of stuff that makes me feel like it's a false flag not that murdering kids thing republicans claim these massacres are.

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« Reply #22003 on: June 09, 2022, 04:21:48 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/leading-michigan-gop-gubernatorial-candidate-ryan-kelley-arrested-by-fbi-this-morning-update-for-1-6-crimes.593343/page-2#post-88044078
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Yup. Whenever I make the mistake of engaging one of these chuds on twitter it's always a list of grievances that are usually just common sense measures for public health or social welfare. The ironic thing is that they have the dissonance to call us anarchists, yet they're the ones that desire so much unchecked freedom that their ideal country is one that dissolves into a lawless, wild west, mad max situation.

These sociopaths enjoy the fruits of a civilization that they have no intention of nurturing if they were to obtain full power. It's sickeningly short-sighted.
Why is he describing the people at ResetEra?

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« Reply #22004 on: June 09, 2022, 05:01:33 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ghostbusters-afterlife-sequel-announced.593535/#post-88074036

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Reitman is doubling down too

Oh boy The Spengler family drama in New York

It's Ghostbusters of the Corn: Urban Harvest

Excelsiorlef is salty as hell that Afterlife is the Ghostbusters movie that's getting a sequel. :lol

Edit:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ghostbusters-afterlife-sequel-announced.593535/#post-88079886

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ghostbusters-afterlife-sequel-announced.593535/#post-88079946
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They didn't do that the first time so I'm not worried.
Afterlife was like a giant retread of GB but in a small town

Excelsiorlef vs ZeoVGM

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« Reply #22006 on: June 09, 2022, 05:21:00 PM »
Heard it shills for Walmart instead of Papa Johns like the 2016 movie. Haven’t seen either, but at least with Papa John there’s a 50/50 chance somebody yells racial slurs at slimer.

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« Reply #22007 on: June 09, 2022, 05:51:42 PM »
ghosts are presumably ghosts of actual people, so what ethnicity was slimer originally?

would he have been a trans ally
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« Reply #22008 on: June 09, 2022, 05:54:27 PM »
ghosts are presumably ghosts of actual people, so what ethnicity was slimer originally?

would he have been a trans ally

He’s literally the ghost of John Belushi.

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« Reply #22009 on: June 09, 2022, 05:59:06 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/85-of-new-yorkers-91-of-black-voters-favor-more-police-in-the-subway-and-60-support-homeless-encampment-sweeps.592629/

This thread continues to be something.

ACAB/defund the police rhetoric goes nowhere in the real world, even among groups they claim to support.

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We still have lots of work to do but we have being correct on our side, just gotta keep pushing

Ah yes. Let’s double down.

Meanwhile, Era when conservative law and order politicians win: :pika

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« Reply #22010 on: June 09, 2022, 06:09:43 PM »
I feel like we all read that Tweet thread yesterday about Republican messaging:

https://twitter.com/_EthanGrey/status/1534024357957230594

But to answer the question, that quote about who the law does and doesn't bind is from Frank Wilhoit.
I didn't read, nor even see, and won't read "that Tweet thread" so you felt wrong.

Also, Frank Wilhoit is just a random dude who posted an incoherent comment on a shitty blog, so it's funny that you think he's some big name philosopher or something.

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« Reply #22011 on: June 09, 2022, 06:12:32 PM »


why?  :teehee
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« Reply #22012 on: June 09, 2022, 06:17:43 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-callisto-protocol-official-gameplay-demo.593463/page-2#post-88082895

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You know with all the stomping in Dead Space and here, do you think they poop in the shower and wafflestomp?

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« Reply #22013 on: June 09, 2022, 06:32:20 PM »
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why?  :teehee

Nepenthe suddenly very concerned about generalisations

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« Reply #22014 on: June 09, 2022, 07:59:02 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/midnight-suns-hands-on-previews-in-early-dev-game-was-originally-more-mechanically-similar-to-x-com-but-according-to-firaxis-it-felt-terrible.593616/page-2#post-88091088

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« Reply #22015 on: June 09, 2022, 08:18:14 PM »
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My brother in Christ, you built the deck

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« Reply #22017 on: June 09, 2022, 09:07:46 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/midnight-suns-hands-on-previews-in-early-dev-game-was-originally-more-mechanically-similar-to-x-com-but-according-to-firaxis-it-felt-terrible.593616/page-2#post-88091088

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My brother in Christ, you built the deck

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« Reply #22018 on: June 09, 2022, 09:07:51 PM »
Holy shit, this bitch is stupid.

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I guess what I should be saying is that I don’t want more police. I want the subways to be more secure. I don't want people that don’t have purpose in using the services (traveling from point A to point B) to be able to idle around at train stations. The train station is not a shelter, it should be enforced that way.

That is perfectly reasonable, and is ultimately in line with what a lot of people want when it comes down to it: security. This doesn't necessarily mean that it manifests in more police, but that we maintain safety in our communities to live our lives. Preventative measures and safety nets should be part of the conversation on how we achieve this. Having environments that are conducive to molding happier citizens who can access the resources they need to maintain their happiness is what we should be striving for.

Welcome to the defund movement, comrade.

So she really thinks that if police are immediately defunded, and (checks notes) "a combination of affordable housing, affordable and readily-available mental health services, and other social safety nets to prevent more people from being homeless or at risk of mental health degradation" will IN THE SHORT TERM make for safer subways? Because, that is a line of thought that is perfect with a white upper class coddled Karrrrren. And not super-activist cum revolutionary furry NepNep.

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« Reply #22019 on: June 09, 2022, 09:13:06 PM »
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I understand your perspective and I do think it is inhumane to kick someone out of the subway. However, I don’t think anything constructive is occurring down there and if you were to ask me, “what is more important, the safety of the homeless and mentally ill vs. the safety of your wife and yourself?” I will choose my wife and myself every time.

The thing I think you're missing is that this isn't a dichotomy. It's not a choice between your safety and the homeless'. Rather, it's that you and your wife's safety is intrinsically tied to the safety of the homeless and mentally ill. No man's an island; we are only as good as the worst off. If we can actually rise the tide for people so that it's more difficult for folks to find themselves in a situation where they're a danger to others in the subway, then not just you and your wife, but everyone who uses the subway to commute is automatically made safer by default.

And always, that tricky annoying little one word question that she and others never seem to address.

HOW?!?

HOW does a stronger support network lead to a safer transit system tomorrow or next week? Fuck that, how long would that support network need to before being fully bolstered? A Year? Five years? Fuck the commuters until then? Raising the tide for all people is NOT a practical answer for real problems in the immediacy.