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[Propagandhim]

We don't strip the citizenship of Trump terrorists. We shouldn't for her either. She should go through the US justice system and serve time like anyone else. Anything else is Islamophobia

CIA starts panicking 

 

[Joe Molotov]

Do you know how ISIS recruitment and brainwashing works though, especially online? ISIS was making Hollywood levels of propaganda, with insane production values. They were showing how the enemies they were fighting were on the side of Satan and America's pawns. They were showing little dead Arab babies and making a case of how America and it's client states/groups were the cause for it. They were showing bodies of dead Muslims burned by phosphorous and other banned weaponry, and portraying ISIS as the good guys fighting and killing those that did those acts. They were showing dismembered children, victims of aerial bombing. I don't need to explain how brainwashing works. We think we are not susceptible to it, but if you get the right kind of a recruiter who knows what gets you upset/angry/sad with promises of bliss and righteous justice, it becomes more complex.

You mean the Snyderverse?

[Hap Shaughnessy]

I'm certain he got permabanned for defending them when Morricunt was a mod

Are you suggesting that the Islamophobic, nazi-adjacent mod Morrigan had it in for Muslim posters?

[Propagandhim]

She should be allowed back into the US with her citizenship restored and undergo mandatory community service and group sessions with professionals.

[Propagandhim]

This woman should be assigned a social worker and government-issue wellness coupons to get nutritious meals at Trader Joes when her citizenship is reintroduced.  ISIS' brainwash techniques include starvation and we know what kind of impact that has on the brain.  She needs Chicken Gyoza Potstickers and Bulgur Pilaf with Butternut Squash & Feta Cheese at participating Trader Joes locations now.  Anything else is Islamophobia.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/indigenous-critics-say-avatar-the-way-of-water-is-horrible-despite-1b-in-ticket-sales-cnbc.673156/page-5#post-99477631

Ultimately, I think just like with other problematic franchises like Cyberpunk and that awful Hogwarts game, the moderations team is going to have to step in eventually and issue guidelines, because otherwise these issues will just continued to be ignored by anyone that doesn't want to see them.

 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/indigenous-critics-say-avatar-the-way-of-water-is-horrible-despite-1b-in-ticket-sales-cnbc.673156/page-5#post-99477631

Ultimately, I think just like with other problematic franchises like Cyberpunk and that awful Hogwarts game, the moderations team is going to have to step in eventually and issue guidelines, because otherwise these issues will just continued to be ignored by anyone that doesn't want to see them.

 

I completely understand and agree.

But ok. Let me know what you all feel would be the right change to make, and I'm happy to go get that done.

Imagine bending a knee for El Bombastico

[clothedmacuser]

This is why white folks shouldn’t be writing stories centered around primarily non white characters.

Or why folks of any ethnic background shouldn’t be telling stories of another without proper research or consultation. You get this racist bullshit each and every time.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/indigenous-critics-say-avatar-the-way-of-water-is-horrible-despite-1b-in-ticket-sales-cnbc.673156/post-99469444

Did Cameron even talk to any navi?

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-last-of-us-hbo-show-review-thread.673873/page-6#post-99468256

User Banned (2 Weeks): Sexism; Concern Trolling; Account in Junior Phase

Unpopular opinion but modeling Abby after a world class crossfitter who is on steroids is a decision that I didn't really get because it's just needlessly unrealistic. You can make her look indimidating and strong without giving her a body that is almost unachievable in the real world.
In the show the Abby actress should just be normal levels of bulked up. If you're looking for actresses who look exactly like her, you won't find any

[HaughtyFrank]

This is why white folks shouldn’t be writing stories centered around primarily non white characters.

Or why folks of any ethnic background shouldn’t be telling stories of another without proper research or consultation. You get this racist bullshit each and every time.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/indigenous-critics-say-avatar-the-way-of-water-is-horrible-despite-1b-in-ticket-sales-cnbc.673156/post-99469444

Did Cameron even talk to any navi?

They're so mad when people don't want to engage with their bullshit. It's hilarious 

[Potato]

This is why white folks shouldn’t be writing stories centered around primarily non white characters.

Or why folks of any ethnic background shouldn’t be telling stories of another without proper research or consultation. You get this racist bullshit each and every time.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/indigenous-critics-say-avatar-the-way-of-water-is-horrible-despite-1b-in-ticket-sales-cnbc.673156/post-99469444

Did Cameron even talk to any navi?

Sooo....white people can only create stories about other white people, but people from an ethnic background can create stories about anyone as long as they do proper research and consultation?


Cool....

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-last-of-us-hbo-show-review-thread.673873/page-6#post-99468256

User Banned (2 Weeks): Sexism; Concern Trolling; Account in Junior Phase

Unpopular opinion but modeling Abby after a world class crossfitter who is on steroids is a decision that I didn't really get because it's just needlessly unrealistic. You can make her look indimidating and strong without giving her a body that is almost unachievable in the real world.
In the show the Abby actress should just be normal levels of bulked up. If you're looking for actresses who look exactly like her, you won't find any

How is any of that sexist? They literally scanned the body of a bodybuilder for her character. It's a physique you can barely achieve at the best of times let alone after an apocalypse. Someone at Naughty Dog just thought it would be super progressive to have a muscle women so they threw realism out the window

[Propagandhim]

This is why white folks shouldn’t be writing stories centered around primarily non white characters.

Or why folks of any ethnic background shouldn’t be telling stories of another without proper research or consultation. You get this racist bullshit each and every time.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/indigenous-critics-say-avatar-the-way-of-water-is-horrible-despite-1b-in-ticket-sales-cnbc.673156/post-99469444

Did Cameron even talk to any navi?

Sooo....white people can only create stories about other white people, but people from an ethnic background can create stories about anyone as long as they do proper research and consultation?


Cool....

not so fast...   

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-woman-who-left-alabama-to-join-isis-says-she-felt-broken-after-she-was-stripped-of-her-us-citizenship.673951/page-8#post-99480715

Well yes, but there have been responses in this thread saying that a 20 year old legally reconized adult was too young to fully unuderstand her actions. So does that mean that the only acceptable age window to understand what joining a terrorist organization means is somewhere around 25-60 years old?

What these people don't realize is how much they're helping genocidal transphobes with this shit.

Their latest thing is to argue that trans adults 20-25 aren't mature enough to make the decision

And now here come the weirdos arguing that 20 isn't old enough to be held responsible for joining a terrorist group

Thanks y'all

[Averon]

I'm certain he got permabanned for defending them when Morricunt was a mod

No, you're right. He was definitely perma banned at one point a few years ago. Seems he was able to sufficiently beg an admin, likely on the mod Discord, to rescind the perma ban.

[joeboy101]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-woman-who-left-alabama-to-join-isis-says-she-felt-broken-after-she-was-stripped-of-her-us-citizenship.673951/page-8#post-99480715

Well yes, but there have been responses in this thread saying that a 20 year old legally reconized adult was too young to fully unuderstand her actions. So does that mean that the only acceptable age window to understand what joining a terrorist organization means is somewhere around 25-60 years old?

What these people don't realize is how much they're helping genocidal transphobes with this shit.

Their latest thing is to argue that trans adults 20-25 aren't mature enough to make the decision

And now here come the weirdos arguing that 20 isn't old enough to be held responsible for joining a terrorist group

Thanks y'all

 

Somebody prominent is hitting the deadpool, just a question of whom.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-woman-who-left-alabama-to-join-isis-says-she-felt-broken-after-she-was-stripped-of-her-us-citizenship.673951/page-8#post-99480715

Well yes, but there have been responses in this thread saying that a 20 year old legally reconized adult was too young to fully unuderstand her actions. So does that mean that the only acceptable age window to understand what joining a terrorist organization means is somewhere around 25-60 years old?

What these people don't realize is how much they're helping genocidal transphobes with this shit.

Their latest thing is to argue that trans adults 20-25 aren't mature enough to make the decision

And now here come the weirdos arguing that 20 isn't old enough to be held responsible for joining a terrorist group

Thanks y'all

EVERYTHING IS ABOUT MEEEEEE

[Uncle]

first you come in from the cold and you blow on your hands to warm them, now you expect me to believe you can also blow on your soup to cool it?

PICK ONE

[cosmicblizzard]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/diamond-of-diamond-silk-dead-per-donald-trump.673786/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-woman-who-left-alabama-to-join-isis-says-she-felt-broken-after-she-was-stripped-of-her-us-citizenship.673951/

The dichotomy between these threads is hilarious.  One half of a goofy duo acting as a weak representative of a propaganda news network to prove they aren't racist dies and everyone celebrates.  Meanwhile, someone who joined ISIS not because of standard propaganda but because she saw a pilot being burned to death and beheading videos and thought "hey, give me a piece of some of that!" gets defended.

Also for the "she was young" people, compare and contrast to old threads about the Covington kids:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/racist-maga-covington-kid-who-smirked-in-the-face-of-native-american-protester-to-receive-settlement-from-cnn.163511/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/mcconnells-campaign-hires-covington-grad-nicholas-sandmann.277133/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/racist-covington-kids-to-sue-everyone-who-thinks-theyre-racists.97679/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/covington-catholic-teen-sues-the-washington-post-for-250-million-up-lawsuit-dismissed-see-threadmark.100711/

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-woman-who-left-alabama-to-join-isis-says-she-felt-broken-after-she-was-stripped-of-her-us-citizenship.673951/page-9#post-99484006

Modern research in neuroscience and developmental science: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708

This is the exact argument being used to claim trans young adults can't transistion

Look how self-centered Incelsheets is being. Still trying to turn that thread to be all about trans people and their suffering.

[Averon]

Some of the excuses for this woman being made in here is nuts. She willing joined a genocidal death cult. Everyone knew what ISIS was about in 2014. It was no secret what sort of fucked up shit ISIS was doing. Some people here make it sound like all she did was petty theft and vandalism. We condemn people around her age all the time if they are Joe Rogan/Jordan Peterson fans, or a Proud Boy member, or a Trump supporter without any regard for their age. I don't know why she should get any less condemnation, especially considering how evil the organization she'd willingly and freely joined is.

 

[Potato]

Some of the excuses for this woman being made in here is nuts. She willing joined a genocidal death cult. Everyone knew what ISIS was about in 2014. It was no secret what sort of fucked up shit ISIS was doing. Some people here make it sound like all she did was petty theft and vandalism. We condemn people around her age all the time if they are Joe Rogan/Jordan Peterson fans, or a Proud Boy member, or a Trump supporter without any regard for their age. I don't know why she should get any less condemnation, especially considering how evil the organization she'd willingly and freely joined is.

 

What colour is her skin? She might have just been indulging in a little bit of chaos...

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-woman-who-left-alabama-to-join-isis-says-she-felt-broken-after-she-was-stripped-of-her-us-citizenship.673951/page-9#post-99484006

Modern research in neuroscience and developmental science: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708

This is the exact argument being used to claim trans young adults can't transistion

Look how self-entered Incelsheets is being. Still trying to turn that thread to be all about trans people and their suuffering.

I like how she doesn't actually make a factual argument, which should be fairly simple. It's just "People argue this about trans youth, therefore it's incorrect"

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-woman-who-left-alabama-to-join-isis-says-she-felt-broken-after-she-was-stripped-of-her-us-citizenship.673951/page-9#post-99484006

Modern research in neuroscience and developmental science: https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708

This is the exact argument being used to claim trans young adults can't transistion

Look how self-entered Incelsheets is being. Still trying to turn that thread to be all about trans people and their suuffering.

I like how she doesn't actually make a factual argument, which should be fairly simple. It's just "People argue this about trans youth, therefore it's incorrect"

Incelsheets's FEELINGS don't care about your FACTS!

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/indigenous-critics-say-avatar-the-way-of-water-is-horrible-despite-1b-in-ticket-sales-cnbc.673156/page-5#post-99484420

I'd change the OT title to something about how Indigenous Lives Matter, but much more thoughtfully crafted than maybe that.

Now I don’t use the word hero lightly, but…

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/indigenous-critics-say-avatar-the-way-of-water-is-horrible-despite-1b-in-ticket-sales-cnbc.673156/page-5#post-99484420

I'd change the OT title to something about how Indigenous Lives Matter, but much more thoughtfully crafted than maybe that.

Now I don’t use the word hero lightly, but…

I won't be thoughtful, but someone else should be!!

[benjipwns]

ISIS woman thread is very interesting for a lot of reasons, but another interesting one is that she wasn't stripped of citizenship, the position of the U.S. government is that she never had it because her father was a Yemeni diplomat in the country. I wonder how many posts on the so-far ten pages note this? Does anyone even note how hard it is to get "stripped" of citizenship considering you have to actively renounce it? The government can't just take away the citizenship of people who were born here if it wants to, that's really only for those who became naturalized citizens.

Although I'm sure Joanne wants all trans people, especially trans children, to be stripped of their citizenship and will work with her fascist allies in the United States to make this happen.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/avatar-the-way-of-water-will-gross-2-5-billion-update-faithless-seen-protesting-outside-beijing-film-bureaus-offices.662731/page-146#post-99484489

User Banned (Permanent): Dismissing concerns of indigenous stereotyping, hostility across multiple posts, severe priors for dismissiveness towards minority concerns

This isn't the Avatar OT. This is a thread for people who are following the film's box office performance which also includes people who are critical of the film. It's not "clickbait" to direct someone to an appropriate thread where they can discuss the issues they had with the film including its problematic elements.

Cool. Want something else to say to me or is that all?

Again, loved the movie, absolute masterpiece. Had no issues with its themes and don't have any plans to investigate so called problematic elements nor do I need further passive-agressive convincing I'm in 'the wrong' for my opinion

[Polident Hive]

[benjipwns]

Also of note, the ISIS woman's sister and her sister's husband were also taken in by the MCU scale propaganda:

NEWARK, N.J. (WIAT) — A Hoover woman and her husband have been arrested and charged by federal agents as they prepared to go and fight for ISIS, according to the United States Department of Justice.

According to prosecutors, Arwa Muthana, 29, and James Bradley, 20 of New York, are ISIS supporters who attempted to travel to the Middle East by a cargo ship to join and fight for the terrorist organization earlier this month.

“As alleged, the defendants planned to travel overseas to join and support ISIS,” Assistant Attorney General John C. Demers for the Justice Department’s National Security Division said in a written statement. “The threat of terrorism at home and abroad remains, and the National Security Division is committed to holding accountable those who would provide material support to foreign terrorist organizations.”

Muthana is the sister of Hoda Muthana, who left Alabama in 2014 to join ISIS.

According to law enforcement, Bradley expressed his desire to conduct a terrorist attack in the United States last May and potentially sought to attack the United States Military Academy in West Point, New York. A month later, Bradley allegedly told agents that he wanted to conduct attacks at a New York university and target the ROTC training cadets.

The Department of Justice alleges that Bradley said if he could not leave the United States because he might be on a terrorism watch list, he would do “something” in the United States instead, referring to carrying out an attack.

In March, Bradley traveled from New York to Alabama to visit Muthana, according to the DOJ. They subsequently traveled together to New York in order to reportedly begin their journey to join ISIS. On Wednesday, Bradley and Muthana met with an undercover agent on their way to a seaport. The DOJ alleges that Muthana confirmed to the agent that she was traveling to the Middle East to fight for ISIS. Bradley and Muthana were then arrested as they were boarding the ship.

Following her arrest, Muthana waived her Miranda rights and allegedly stated during an interview that she was willing to fight and kill Americans if it was for Allah.

[Nintex]

So they all wanted to join the Obama campaign

[clothedmacuser]

I just watched this movie, Triumph of the Will, it's spectacular filmmaking, an absolute triumph, no problems with it's themes and no, I don't plan to investigate these "so called" claims that it was funded by the Nazis to be explicitly pro-Nazi propaganda.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/avatar-the-way-of-water-will-gross-2-5-billion-update-faithless-seen-protesting-outside-beijing-film-bureaus-offices.662731/post-99487150

[clothedmacuser]

The mega posters in the Avatar thread don't realize that the reason people don't want to engage with them is the because of the people making the argument.  I would gladly read a New Yorker article about the issues in Avatar but not those idiot screaming reteches that literally argue that there is politics in Mario Kart because of gas consumption. 

It's just Kotaku level pick a random thing and apply it to a game or movie.  Why Indiana Jones is really a communist.  How can we fight transphobia by playing old Game Boys?  Fresh Prince was a commentary on WWII.

You actually have to be smart and have charisma for an essay argument like that.  You can't just say, Fuck this, fuck that, so racist, OMG how can you not see it, don't dismissive of my life truth.

[benjipwns]

So they all wanted to join the Obama campaign

This was a little late for that, they were trying to join ISIS-Obama in 2021.

[benjipwns]

I just watched this movie, Triumph of the Will, it's spectacular filmmaking, an absolute triumph, no problems with it's themes and no, I don't plan to investigate these "so called" claims that it was funded by the Nazis to be explicitly pro-Nazi propaganda.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/avatar-the-way-of-water-will-gross-2-5-billion-update-faithless-seen-protesting-outside-beijing-film-bureaus-offices.662731/post-99487150

What exactly do they think Triumph of the Will is? It's just a bunch of Nazi speeches, that's why it's so heralded as filmmaking because the subject is fucking boring.

[Propagandhim]

Also of note, the ISIS woman's sister and her sister's husband were also taken in by the MCU scale propaganda:

NEWARK, N.J. (WIAT) — A Hoover woman and her husband have been arrested and charged by federal agents as they prepared to go and fight for ISIS, according to the United States Department of Justice.

According to prosecutors, Arwa Muthana, 29, and James Bradley, 20 of New York, are ISIS supporters who attempted to travel to the Middle East by a cargo ship to join and fight for the terrorist organization earlier this month.

“As alleged, the defendants planned to travel overseas to join and support ISIS,” Assistant Attorney General John C. Demers for the Justice Department’s National Security Division said in a written statement. “The threat of terrorism at home and abroad remains, and the National Security Division is committed to holding accountable those who would provide material support to foreign terrorist organizations.”

Muthana is the sister of Hoda Muthana, who left Alabama in 2014 to join ISIS.

According to law enforcement, Bradley expressed his desire to conduct a terrorist attack in the United States last May and potentially sought to attack the United States Military Academy in West Point, New York. A month later, Bradley allegedly told agents that he wanted to conduct attacks at a New York university and target the ROTC training cadets.

The Department of Justice alleges that Bradley said if he could not leave the United States because he might be on a terrorism watch list, he would do “something” in the United States instead, referring to carrying out an attack.

In March, Bradley traveled from New York to Alabama to visit Muthana, according to the DOJ. They subsequently traveled together to New York in order to reportedly begin their journey to join ISIS. On Wednesday, Bradley and Muthana met with an undercover agent on their way to a seaport. The DOJ alleges that Muthana confirmed to the agent that she was traveling to the Middle East to fight for ISIS. Bradley and Muthana were then arrested as they were boarding the ship.

Following her arrest, Muthana waived her Miranda rights and allegedly stated during an interview that she was willing to fight and kill Americans if it was for Allah.

We're gonna need a few more community service programs

[jorma]

I just watched this movie, Triumph of the Will, it's spectacular filmmaking, an absolute triumph, no problems with it's themes and no, I don't plan to investigate these "so called" claims that it was funded by the Nazis to be explicitly pro-Nazi propaganda.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/avatar-the-way-of-water-will-gross-2-5-billion-update-faithless-seen-protesting-outside-beijing-film-bureaus-offices.662731/post-99487150

not all inflammatory comparisons in sensitive threads are created equal apparently 

so yeah, James Cameron is now the Leni Riefenstahl of this generation.

Now move along, nothing deranged to see here!

[joeboy101]

Some early casualities:

I am by no means implying that what she did was minor but come the fuck on. This is a human being who did something massively stupid and has lived with more weight put on her for her stupidity than we'll probably ever put on her.

If she harmed anyone during her time she should face justice for that, but if she didn't then I have no issue with rehabilitating her. And to all the people saying that she's 20, she couldn't have possibly been brainwashed, boo hoo, do you people feel the same way about the people Andrew Tate lured with lover boy schemes that eventually led to them being trafficked as sex workers? Or all the people in the many, many religious sects and cults that exist worldwide? Impressionable people can be convinced of a lot of shit, even really heinous things. If they can be helped to see the error of that, they should, and according to that article she has already taken the first steps, so this isn't a person still a part of a terrorist organization that has to be convinced they're awful.

Her being the child of a diplomat so not technically a US citizen to begin with is an issue, but regardless of where she ends up a hand should be extended, not a damn fist.

User Banned (2 Weeks): Inflammatory comparison

So the Andrew Tate comparison was too much, but calling people islamophobes for not agreeing to let her back in is not? Got it. Maybe the mods are still working.

This is the exact argument being used to claim trans young adults can't transistion

It is not. Hoda Muthana is a terrorist by choice, but the punishment she receives for it is the choice of the rest of society. She is punished because we choose to do so, not because the punishment is an intrinsic consequence of her actions. When a young adult chooses to transition, society might allow or forbid it, but in either case it affects the intrinsic consequence of their choice.

I hope you are not seriously suggesting that the choice to transition should be tied to criminal responsibility.

User banned (2 weeks): inflammatory accusations

See Honey Pie, that's bait. I know you can't recognize it usually from the end you were on, but Incel was not going to argue the point with you, but lead you to making that comparison you did.

[benjipwns]

We're gonna need a few more community service programs

One man's freedom fighter against American hegemony for the will of Allah is another man's community service program.

[Polident Hive]

We actually watched Triumph of the Will in school, among Why We Fight and other propaganda pieces. Wondering if there’s a forum out there having fanboy arguments over Leni Riefenstahl vs Frank Capra.

[benjipwns]

We actually watched Triumph of the Will in school, among Why We Fight and other propaganda pieces. Wondering if there’s a forum out there having fanboy arguments over Leni Riefenstahl vs Frank Capra.

Much like Birth of the Nation, and many Soviet films, the point is to show the craft because of what you can achieve despite the content. It's understandable why someone wanting to watch a movie wouldn't watch these, they're old for one thing, but people don't really watch them for the plot in the first place so it's a strange comparison to make.

Of course this also raises the question of whether people making such comparisons think other people are going to see Avatar so they can get their latest political views spoon fed to them. As I've noted many times, this thinking is quite endemic on ResetERA.com although they never seem to apply it to themselves.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-was-zack-snyder-so-obsessed-with-making-superman-into-jesus.674116/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ultimate-failure-of-batman-v-superman-is-turning-both-characters-into-murderous-psychopaths.674113/

Surely, nothing to with the MCU getting stomped at the box office by Avatar 2.

[Nintex]

Triumph of the Will is a great start to an otherwise dissapointing cinematic universe. In phase 4 hitler shoots himself and the war ends before the big final battle which is so lazy and the most dissapointing season finale since Game of Thrones. 7/10

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ultimate-failure-of-batman-v-superman-is-turning-both-characters-into-murderous-psychopaths.674113/

Zack Snyder doesn't seem to believe that characters can just be good people at their core. They have to be good people for a reason. And that baseline cynicism, that baseline lack of belief in altruism as a concept, destroyed his Superman, dragging Batman down to that ruined level.

Because he buys into the Ayn Rand definition of what a hero is.

Funny, thing is, I'm also very, VERY cynical like that, and yet even I find Snyder's edgelord nihilism so grating. Because seeing his films, its painfully obvious that it doesn't actually come from any meaningful ethical/philosophical study of the human species and our history. No, Snyder just does it because he thinks its cool and edgy to be grimdark. Same reason he loves that Ayn Rand novel I think. He genuinely doesn't get the problematic aspects of Objectivism and just sees "Be your own man" and "Find your own morals" and thinks "Wow! Cool!" without ever bothering to actually think about the other, horrible elements of that schlock.

The problem is, you can’t START with Injustice. Its whole point is that it’s a variant universe, like the Justice Lords and the Crime Syndicate. Even the original Injustice game knew this, which is why the real heroes from Earth-Prime were the main characters, NOT the villainous versions.

Yes, he started with Man Of Steel, a movie that ended with Superman violently snapping someone's neck.

He did not at any point establish a good Superman. We did not have a good Superman in the universe for ANY of these movies. Even in the movies where he's "heroic", he's a selfish, radically self-interested prick who values his mom and Lois above all else and practically rolls his eyes at the prospect of helping innocent people.

So why would an evil Superman be satisfying when there's no good version to contrast him against?

Like these posters and others in the thread, the OP also seems to have missed the obvious points in the Snyder trilogy while they're criticizing Snyder for "having things fly over his head" and "missing the point of [everything]" that these aren't yet heroes. BvS is the middle part, it's about Bruce and Diana recognizing their loss of faith though the example of the just starting out Superman. I don't know how you can miss the entire hack point of why Superman sacrifices himself when it hits you over the head with it the same way Academy Award winner Zack Snyder does with everything:



The entire point of the trilogy is how do heroes become heroes and come together. No, in the real world people are not "just good people at their core" they have reasons for their actions and the Snyder trilogy is about them abandoning their self-interested reasons to follow Superman's example. It's fucking anti-Randian not pro-Rand, they're literally (against gods) finding their faith in heroes, it's rejecting cynicism. (Something totally in line with DC's Rebirth that was happening at the same time comic fans might notice!)

[Averon]

Some early casualities:

I am by no means implying that what she did was minor but come the fuck on. This is a human being who did something massively stupid and has lived with more weight put on her for her stupidity than we'll probably ever put on her.

If she harmed anyone during her time she should face justice for that, but if she didn't then I have no issue with rehabilitating her. And to all the people saying that she's 20, she couldn't have possibly been brainwashed, boo hoo, do you people feel the same way about the people Andrew Tate lured with lover boy schemes that eventually led to them being trafficked as sex workers? Or all the people in the many, many religious sects and cults that exist worldwide? Impressionable people can be convinced of a lot of shit, even really heinous things. If they can be helped to see the error of that, they should, and according to that article she has already taken the first steps, so this isn't a person still a part of a terrorist organization that has to be convinced they're awful.

Her being the child of a diplomat so not technically a US citizen to begin with is an issue, but regardless of where she ends up a hand should be extended, not a damn fist.

User Banned (2 Weeks): Inflammatory comparison

So the Andrew Tate comparison was too much, but calling people islamophobes for not agreeing to let her back in is not? Got it. Maybe the mods are still working.

This is the exact argument being used to claim trans young adults can't transistion

It is not. Hoda Muthana is a terrorist by choice, but the punishment she receives for it is the choice of the rest of society. She is punished because we choose to do so, not because the punishment is an intrinsic consequence of her actions. When a young adult chooses to transition, society might allow or forbid it, but in either case it affects the intrinsic consequence of their choice.

I hope you are not seriously suggesting that the choice to transition should be tied to criminal responsibility.

User banned (2 weeks): inflammatory accusations

See Honey Pie, that's bait. I know you can't recognize it usually from the end you were on, but Incel was not going to argue the point with you, but lead you to making that comparison you did.

These got bans but RustyNails's stanning ISIS and deflecting their genocidal actions by bringing up the US in that thread gets a pass 

[benjipwns]

Academy Award winning Zack Snyder rejects amoral self-interest and a crisis of faith for working together to sacrifice and achieve the greater good: FUCKING RANDIAN CYNICISM!
Failed Sad Wachowskis praise the individual risking all of existence to pursue only his self-interest against the collective on the magical bet of an AI: SUCH TRANSGRESSIVE MUCH DEVESTMENT FROM CAPITALISM!

[Joe Molotov]

I always find it fascinating how the movies that are directed by POC or women always end up being the movies that gamers always go "Oh the Nazi propaganda just didn't grab me" and "Hitler is annoying/don't like him". I wonder why...

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-was-zack-snyder-so-obsessed-with-making-superman-into-jesus.674116/

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ultimate-failure-of-batman-v-superman-is-turning-both-characters-into-murderous-psychopaths.674113/

Surely, nothing to with the MCU getting stomped at the box office by Avatar 2.

My daughter lashes out at completely innocent bystanders when she is angry about something...but she's 10 and barely in control of her emotions.

[Polident Hive]

Thing is, they don’t know what Randian means or what it’s referring to, or much of anything. It’s back to the earlier post about them being too boring to engage with.

You know that scene in Good Will Hunting with Cyril from Oz passing off book quotes as his own. It’s like that, except quoting guys like movie bob, alone in a dimly lit room, for 19 hours a day.

[Vertigo]

Inspired by that Reee thread I actually went and brought two tickets for Avatar 2 in HFR 3D of course, for this evening.

Thanks Reee

 

[Uncle]

austin powers was subversive randy-an propaganda

[benjipwns]

Thing is, they don’t know what Randian means or what it’s referring to, or much of anything. It’s back to the earlier post about them being too boring to engage with.

You know that scene in Good Will Hunting with Cyril from Oz passing off book quotes as his own. It’s like that, except quoting guys like movie bob, alone in a dimly lit room, for 19 hours a day.

MovieBob does the same thing, he's always yelling about Randian Snyder when he doesn't even seem to understand the plot points in the movies and describes things that never happened. His obsession is hilarious because he takes this out on anything related to DC like The Batman (which he claims is pro-QAnon right-wing propaganda) and the entire output of WarnerBros. Discovery because they're tied to Snyder through the DC films.

It's like they all saw Snyder say he wants to do The Fountainhead, ignored his explanation why he wanted to (which Ken Levine understood as it was similar to his thinking for BioShock), and just decided he must be a Randian even though he has never supported anything but standard center-left progressive-liberal Hollywood positions and his biggest undertaking is not Randian at all.

I think it's extra funny because they're regularly themselves being very Randian, to point to MovieBob again he's some kind of Randian who supports eugenics of the proletariat by the bougie "left", ResetERA.com is almost always declaring a central political truth about everything especially art and prioritizing the importance of the individual over everything.

[Joe Molotov]

I just watched this movie, Triumph of the Will, it's spectacular filmmaking, an absolute triumph, no problems with it's themes and no, I don't plan to investigate these "so called" claims that it was funded by the Nazis to be explicitly pro-Nazi propaganda.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/avatar-the-way-of-water-will-gross-2-5-billion-update-faithless-seen-protesting-outside-beijing-film-bureaus-offices.662731/post-99487150

not all inflammatory comparisons in sensitive threads are created equal apparently 

so yeah, James Cameron is now the Leni Riefenstahl of this generation.

Now move along, nothing deranged to see here!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiefland_(film)

[Boredfrom]

Academy Award winning Zack Snyder rejects amoral self-interest and a crisis of faith for working together to sacrifice and achieve the greater good: FUCKING RANDIAN CYNICISM!
Failed Sad Wachowskis praise the individual risking all of existence to pursue only his self-interest against the collective on the magical bet of an AI: SUCH TRANSGRESSIVE MUCH DEVESTMENT FROM CAPITALISM!

 

[benjipwns]

Like ResetERA.com you should watch the two trilogies, one is the greatest work humanity has ever created and the other has some pretty cool action scenes.

[Snoopycat_]

Isn't it weird that Morrigan never misses an opportunity to put the boot into Muslims?

Also Excel making an absolute clown out of herself and being too dumb to realize it -

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-woman-who-left-alabama-to-join-isis-says-she-felt-broken-after-she-was-stripped-of-her-us-citizenship.673951/page-11#post-99494800

[benjipwns]

Also Excel making an absolute clown out of herself and being too dumb to realize it -

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-woman-who-left-alabama-to-join-isis-says-she-felt-broken-after-she-was-stripped-of-her-us-citizenship.673951/page-11#post-99494800

Nothing I posted was in bad faith.

[benjipwns]

Bad Faith: you're usung the exact same arguments and citing the exact science as terfs

Good faith: pointing that out is just like climate change deniers pointing to snow

You know I'm using the example to demonstrate right wingers incorrectly use science at every opportunity they get. Behavioral and developmental psychology are independent of gender studies and gender expression unless you're looking at the intersection of those fields and how they might influence a person's life and experiences within society.

Yes I know you're comparing me to facists to make your argument sound more correct


She changed her story to take less responsibility not more

No I'm not, not at all. Literally just pointing out why focusing on that isn't helpful because of the depth in difference of these two topics? Gender expression and sexual identity are intrinsic qualities, radicalization is extrinsically done. You don't have to cede ground to transphobes when talking about behavioral and developmental psychology studies. The transphobes are the ones using those studies incorrectly to justify shitty transphobic beliefs. They'll use and appropriate anything they can get their hands on in pursuit of denial of trans existence regardless of what it's meant to do. I don't agree that we can't have a discussion on behavioral psychology on a completely different manner without accidentally empowering those idiotic transphobes in the process.

Yes you are.

Yes you did

Also go around declaring this woman's braib not developed enough to be held responsible for being a terrorist in the hight of a fight against trans existence and cite the exact science they're citing to introduce legislation to ban health care to trans people until 25 and tell me you're doing anything useful

You want to specifically argue she was brainwashed, show your actual work, older people can be too, but don't tell me her brain just wasn't developed enough to know that being an ISIS terrorist calling for mass shootings at parades is wrong.

FUCKING SOCIAL MEDIA ALGORITHIMS!

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/prpltnkr/status/1612614779201376258

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1612498365731999746

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[Averon]

Isn't it weird that Morrigan never misses an opportunity to put the boot into Muslims?

Also Excel making an absolute clown out of herself and being too dumb to realize it -

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-woman-who-left-alabama-to-join-isis-says-she-felt-broken-after-she-was-stripped-of-her-us-citizenship.673951/page-11#post-99494800

Morrigan used to really get into slamming Islam on NeoGAF back when it wasn't deemed "racist" to criticize all religion, not just Christianity.