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[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-last-of-us-hbo-show-review-thread.673873/page-9#post-99485923

User banned (permanent): Trolling over a series of posts and across multiple threads. Account in junior phase.

Alright I'm done posting now. If you enjoy the game, great. I sincerely hope you get to play more games in your life to see what an actual AMAZING game can be. I hope the show is good, I hope I actually enjoy the story in a different medium.

[Pissy F Benny]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/mirrors-edge-achievement-designer-achievements-have-been-bad-for-gaming-they-eat-dev-resources-and-can-divert-player-attention.674269/#post-99513967

User Banned (2 Weeks) - Inappropriate Commentary & Armchair Mental Health Diagnosis

Chasing achievements / trophies is mental sickness. Full stop.

Hit dog hollers.
 

Would it be ok for a self diagnosed cheevo addict to call it a mental sickness

[HardcoreRetro]

Headmaster Pegg? More like obersturmbannführer Pegg.

[BIONIC]

Headmistress Pegg

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Bad Faith: you're usung the exact same arguments and citing the exact science as terfs

Good faith: pointing that out is just like climate change deniers pointing to snow

More like:
Bad faith: Using the same scientific arguments I do but in ways I don't like
Good Faith: Changing my arguments and dismissing the evidence when it suits my current position

[Daffy Duck]

ResetEra: You normies shall not discuss The Wizard game

Meanwhile, also on ReseteEra

Elite members shall discuss the latest news that Simon Pegg joins the game:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/page-18#post-99525955

It really is Cyberpunk all over again! “You will not discuss this game because it means you literally want me dead! However let me retreat back to my little hideyhole where I will bad mouth you and freely discuss the game “

Black Chamber, is that you?

 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pov-someone-actually-tries-to-end-a-friendship-with-you-like-this-video-what-do-you-do-poll.674227/

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

This approach is completely narcissistic and centered on you and you alone

If you aren't being a good friend and you end it like this, it's just another act of not being a good friend.

There's no empathy here, no kindness or warmth, I'd assume i never meant anything to you ever if I was in a bad space, and if I was doing okish you'd become a massive anecdote on my pantheon of anecdotes of funny ways I've had relationships end. You'd literally become can you believe what this ass did in my story retellings lol.

Proverbial you

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

These reviews are about what I expected when I heard Kaling was in charge of the show. Her style of humor and characterization has never really clicked with me, and honestly, I'm not sure I can take a "what if Velma went from being the least interesting and least funny member of Mystery Inc. to being by far the most grating, annoying and unlikeable member of Mystery Inc.?" retool series, even if that was the intentional choice of the writing team.

I'll give the first episode or two a watch while my Max subscription is still active, but if Velma is as unlikeable as the reviews are painting her as, I don't think I'm sticking around for the long haul. I would prefer a Velma who's actually fun, rather than replacing her tired "ghosts aren't REAL, you guys!" shtick with near-infinite reserves of snark.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-woman-who-left-alabama-to-join-isis-says-she-felt-broken-after-she-was-stripped-of-her-us-citizenship.673951/page-15#post-99531544

This thread has been poisoned from the start by the inaccurate title and lack of background on Hoda's citizen status or lack thereof. It has been left open long enough to go round and round in toxic circles.

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/modern-assassins-creed-games-get-a-lot-of-pushback-for-being-too-bloated-but-they-are-honestly-a-staggering-achievement-in-world-design.674317/#post-99520624

The fact that Ubisoft put out not one but three of these, all with remarkably different combat systems, without reports of a massive crunch culture, (when previously the year on year release schedule did result in massive crunch), is seriously insane.

Just reports of massive rape culture 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/avatar-the-way-of-water-will-gross-2-5-billion-update-faithless-seen-protesting-outside-beijing-film-bureaus-offices.662731/page-149#post-99516697

Yup, like I get there are box office nerds here but the ones that worship him like "never bet against Cameron", "king Jimbo", "the king doesn't miss" etc is a bit weird when paired with the racism of the films. And they never post in the indigenous issues threads about the films, so it comes across as purely cheering him on and the money it's making.

The beauty of this site is folks can choose which threads they want to post in. How about we don't try to finger wag people into posting where we want them to.

Bet thread is going off the rails.

[ShutUp]

They are so mad people are flat out done with the ban baiting bullshit so they are being allowed to take over what was otherwise a rare actually fun thread. Incredible stuff.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-last-of-us-hbo-show-review-thread.673873/page-9#post-99485923

User banned (permanent): Trolling over a series of posts and across multiple threads. Account in junior phase.

Alright I'm done posting now. If you enjoy the game, great. I sincerely hope you get to play more games in your life to see what an actual AMAZING game can be. I hope the show is good, I hope I actually enjoy the story in a different medium.

The fanboyism is strong in that moderator

[BIONIC]

Honestly, cancel the bet and just have it as a box office thread. At the very least if it hits $2.5b I have zero desire to force any Avatar-related avatar on members of the Faithless who hold disdain as a result of the problematic elements found in the film. Likewise at this point perhaps having a singular 'Avatar' OT for the franchise would prevent further upset to people through seeing multiple threads they feel eclipse those on its issues. Naturally I'm speaking to a singular thread for fans of the franchise, not news on any problematic elements. Then anyone irritated by it can at least have a central source to ignore while contributing to the threads they're concerned with.

I've read every post of both threads on the issues present in the film, and learned a lot as a result. I'll continue to. I've not posted in them much because I don't feel like I have much to contribute to the discussion past what I've already said. I'm a fan of Avatar for personal reasons I've gone into before, but there's no value in talking about those because they in no way diminish, overwrite or excuse the problems others have with the franchise. Problems which are far more at the forefront than anything I personally take from the film. So, instead, I stick to reading the thoughts of those affected and educating myself on what issues there are both with the film and Cameron himself. I've personally reached out to apologise to the person I got into discussions with before re: the white saviour trope and my own ignorance of it, and have reached out to people from groups affected privately to get their thoughts and understand what media they feel would be beneficial for non-indigenous people to watch. As a result I'm watching films and shorts on these issues and learning about the problems native Americans are facing today. I'm heavily appreciative to the people who showed me the time to give their recommendations, and it's always been a well-mannered conversation. I might be wrong, but I've preferred this approach to making further posts in threads where I've already responded and have little new to add.

I do find it contradictory though, that when the endeavour is to focus on the voices of indigenous people that we have non-indigenous members being selective when it comes to which aspects of those voices they quote. Fully ignoring anyone from said groups with a positive take on what's presented. Which there are, and I know because I've spent time looking out posts from the affected peoples on social media and reading their views directly. From finding it offensive, to liking it, to wishing portions of the profits could be given to the communities whose cultures the Na'vi are based on, there's a wide range of conversation occurring. Even in the heavily critical interview with Iron Eyes, he mentions that the one aspect of the film he felt was accurate and spoke to him was the connection the Na'vi have with nature. Something that was omitted when non-indigenous people quoted him.

There's also a refusal to include Cliff Curtis' own views and contributions to the film and way the Metkayina were portrayed – something he was proud of and felt honoured his ancestors. To him the romanticism was a part of what he was trying to achieve, where others who watched it felt it undermined the struggles they faced. In both cases I find it more interesting to key into the dialogue of those a part of the groups in question than those outside of them. I'm interested in the spectrum of how people feel, which both informs me about the issues that need to be improved upon and also what parts of the film do seem to hit that emotional mark for many. It's an interesting and important conversation with all the nuances you'd expect.

Surely she gives the same charitable reading to trans people who don’t think Cyberpunk is transphobic or don’t mind people buying Hogwarts Legacy, or women who don’t mind sexy character designs? 

[joeboy101]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-woman-who-left-alabama-to-join-isis-says-she-felt-broken-after-she-was-stripped-of-her-us-citizenship.673951/page-15#post-99531544

This thread has been poisoned from the start by the inaccurate title and lack of background on Hoda's citizen status or lack thereof. It has been left open long enough to go round and round in toxic circles.

And long enough with people demanding to know why the poll was removed apparently.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Literally no one reported it, and it was self-edited by the member in question before it was brought to our attention here. We say this all the time: if you feel someone is way out of pocket, report it so it can be brought to staff's attention in a timely manner.

Don't they routinely revert posts after banned people for "context"

 

[BIONIC]

The problem is, while users are not being actively malicious, they are clearly, inarguably being indifferent to the issues. People here clearly don't WANT to know or discuss the issues with the franchise. That is and has remained the problem. ERA was created specifically as an escape for marginalized and overlooked people to find a refuge from other places on the internet. We've already have several posters in here and in the other threads speak at length about how the constant cheerleading and stanning for this franchise and its creator makes them feel horrible and not feel like welcome here.

Let ask you, in all earnestness: Do you think that ResetERA is living up to its goal of being a safe, inclusive place when we have several posters here are ignoring and downplaying the concerns and voices of a marginalized group? Are we doing any better than the other places in the internet that we all bemoan and rightfully scorn as cesspools of racism and intolerance?

Cerium: *laughs in $4 million*

[ShutUp]

Kyuuji, who has said she’s seen the new Avatar five times already. Yes, you definitely care what indigenous people are saying.

[ShutUp]

The problem is, while users are not being actively malicious, they are clearly, inarguably being indifferent to the issues. People here clearly don't WANT to know or discuss the issues with the franchise. That is and has remained the problem. ERA was created specifically as an escape for marginalized and overlooked people to find a refuge from other places on the internet. We've already have several posters in here and in the other threads speak at length about how the constant cheerleading and stanning for this franchise and its creator makes them feel horrible and not feel like welcome here.

Let ask you, in all earnestness: Do you think that ResetERA is living up to its goal of being a safe, inclusive place when we have several posters here are ignoring and downplaying the concerns and voices of a marginalized group? Are we doing any better than the other places in the internet that we all bemoan and rightfully scorn as cesspools of racism and intolerance?

Cerium: *laughs in $4 million*

Lol. The site was created because the elf tried to get freaky with a chick in the shower and everyone wanted somewhere new to hang out. Suddenly it was created as a safe space for minorities? 

[Uncle]

Honestly, cancel the bet and just have it as a box office thread. At the very least if it hits $2.5b I have zero desire to force any Avatar-related avatar on members of the Faithless who hold disdain as a result of the problematic elements found in the film. Likewise at this point perhaps having a singular 'Avatar' OT for the franchise would prevent further upset to people through seeing multiple threads they feel eclipse those on its issues. Naturally I'm speaking to a singular thread for fans of the franchise, not news on any problematic elements. Then anyone irritated by it can at least have a central source to ignore while contributing to the threads they're concerned with.

I've read every post of both threads on the issues present in the film, and learned a lot as a result. I'll continue to. I've not posted in them much because I don't feel like I have much to contribute to the discussion past what I've already said. I'm a fan of Avatar for personal reasons I've gone into before, but there's no value in talking about those because they in no way diminish, overwrite or excuse the problems others have with the franchise. Problems which are far more at the forefront than anything I personally take from the film. So, instead, I stick to reading the thoughts of those affected and educating myself on what issues there are both with the film and Cameron himself. I've personally reached out to apologise to the person I got into discussions with before re: the white saviour trope and my own ignorance of it, and have reached out to people from groups affected privately to get their thoughts and understand what media they feel would be beneficial for non-indigenous people to watch. As a result I'm watching films and shorts on these issues and learning about the problems native Americans are facing today. I'm heavily appreciative to the people who showed me the time to give their recommendations, and it's always been a well-mannered conversation. I might be wrong, but I've preferred this approach to making further posts in threads where I've already responded and have little new to add.

I do find it contradictory though, that when the endeavour is to focus on the voices of indigenous people that we have non-indigenous members being selective when it comes to which aspects of those voices they quote. Fully ignoring anyone from said groups with a positive take on what's presented. Which there are, and I know because I've spent time looking out posts from the affected peoples on social media and reading their views directly. From finding it offensive, to liking it, to wishing portions of the profits could be given to the communities whose cultures the Na'vi are based on, there's a wide range of conversation occurring. Even in the heavily critical interview with Iron Eyes, he mentions that the one aspect of the film he felt was accurate and spoke to him was the connection the Na'vi have with nature. Something that was omitted when non-indigenous people quoted him.

There's also a refusal to include Cliff Curtis' own views and contributions to the film and way the Metkayina were portrayed – something he was proud of and felt honoured his ancestors. To him the romanticism was a part of what he was trying to achieve, where others who watched it felt it undermined the struggles they faced. In both cases I find it more interesting to key into the dialogue of those a part of the groups in question than those outside of them. I'm interested in the spectrum of how people feel, which both informs me about the issues that need to be improved upon and also what parts of the film do seem to hit that emotional mark for many. It's an interesting and important conversation with all the nuances you'd expect.

Surely she gives the same charitable reading to trans people who don’t think Cyberpunk is transphobic or don’t mind people buying Hogwarts Legacy, or women who don’t mind sexy character designs? 

I've spent time looking out posts from the affected peoples on social media

oh word? what are the navi saying about it?

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-woman-who-left-alabama-to-join-isis-says-she-felt-broken-after-she-was-stripped-of-her-us-citizenship.673951/page-15#post-99531544

This thread has been poisoned from the start by the inaccurate title and lack of background on Hoda's citizen status or lack thereof. It has been left open long enough to go round and round in toxic circles.

I think FliX was the commie mod assigned to quarantine preserve the socialism thread before the collapse.
I will not be surprised if that mod was the one that removed the pool.

[ShutUp]

My God that Velma show

At Crystal Cove High School, Daphne (Constance Wu) is a popular mean girl orphan who deals drugs because of a dark family secret. Her boyfriend Fred (Glenn Howerton) personifies mediocre white richness. His mansion holds a dark secret — and he has teeny widdle privates, a subject of much conversation. "Shaggy" has become Norville (Sam Richardson), a school-newspaper striver friendzoned by his beloved Velma. He worries he's a beta male; remember that lame humor concept from 20 years ago?

Who asked for this? 

No Scooby Doo, turning Shaggy into “Norville” 

I can see the cancellation after this first season coming already.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-woman-who-left-alabama-to-join-isis-says-she-felt-broken-after-she-was-stripped-of-her-us-citizenship.673951/page-15#post-99531544

This thread has been poisoned from the start by the inaccurate title and lack of background on Hoda's citizen status or lack thereof. It has been left open long enough to go round and round in toxic circles.

It has been left open long enough to go round and round in toxic circles.

It's only been a day

[paprikastaude]

Wait, Ted Cruz chimed in on that Limited Run situation??

My god, Harry Potter will be an even bigger shitshow for all the screechers than I imagined. Now the devs just need to not fuck up the game like Cyberpunk.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-woman-who-left-alabama-to-join-isis-says-she-felt-broken-after-she-was-stripped-of-her-us-citizenship.673951/page-15#post-99531544

This thread has been poisoned from the start by the inaccurate title and lack of background on Hoda's citizen status or lack thereof. It has been left open long enough to go round and round in toxic circles.

It has been left open long enough to go round and round in toxic circles.

It's only been a day

Couldn't they just staff post it like they do any other thread where they just get off on getting md?

[Nintex]

Wait, Ted Cruz chimed in on that Limited Run situation??

My god, Harry Potter will be an even bigger shitshow for all the screechers than I imagined. Now the devs just need to not fuck up the game like Cyberpunk.

I've seen bits and pieces of Hogwarts Legacy gameplay and it looks boring and lifeless as well as quite unfinished.
And this thing is supposed to launch soonish.

[Taco Bell Tower]

The problem is, while users are not being actively malicious, they are clearly, inarguably being indifferent to the issues. People here clearly don't WANT to know or discuss the issues with the franchise. That is and has remained the problem. ERA was created specifically as an escape for marginalized and overlooked people to find a refuge from other places on the internet. We've already have several posters in here and in the other threads speak at length about how the constant cheerleading and stanning for this franchise and its creator makes them feel horrible and not feel like welcome here.

Let ask you, in all earnestness: Do you think that ResetERA is living up to its goal of being a safe, inclusive place when we have several posters here are ignoring and downplaying the concerns and voices of a marginalized group? Are we doing any better than the other places in the internet that we all bemoan and rightfully scorn as cesspools of racism and intolerance?

Cerium: *laughs in $4 million*

ERA was created specifically as an escape for marginalized and overlooked people to find a refuge from other places on the internet.

Wtf is El Dumbastico talking about?  They didn't escape from their problems.  Ree is still infested with sexists, transphoes and pedos that they carried with.

[Potato]

My God that Velma show

At Crystal Cove High School, Daphne (Constance Wu) is a popular mean girl orphan who deals drugs because of a dark family secret. Her boyfriend Fred (Glenn Howerton) personifies mediocre white richness. His mansion holds a dark secret — and he has teeny widdle privates, a subject of much conversation. "Shaggy" has become Norville (Sam Richardson), a school-newspaper striver friendzoned by his beloved Velma. He worries he's a beta male; remember that lame humor concept from 20 years ago?

Who asked for this? 

No Scooby Doo, turning Shaggy into “Norville” 

I can see the cancellation after this first season coming already.

Wait...that's the actual synopsis and not one of Nintex's little flights of fancy?

[HardcoreRetro]

It's from the Entertainment Weekly review of the show.

[HaughtyFrank]

Indigenous critics say Avatar: The Way of Water is "horrible" (Update: Avatar OT thread being updated, need more suggestions!)

https://www.resetera.com/threads/indigenous-critics-say-avatar-the-way-of-water-is-horrible-update-avatar-ot-thread-being-updated-need-more-suggestions.673156

This virtue signaling is so pathetic

[Nintex]

My God that Velma show

At Crystal Cove High School, Daphne (Constance Wu) is a popular mean girl orphan who deals drugs because of a dark family secret. Her boyfriend Fred (Glenn Howerton) personifies mediocre white richness. His mansion holds a dark secret — and he has teeny widdle privates, a subject of much conversation. "Shaggy" has become Norville (Sam Richardson), a school-newspaper striver friendzoned by his beloved Velma. He worries he's a beta male; remember that lame humor concept from 20 years ago?

Who asked for this? 

No Scooby Doo, turning Shaggy into “Norville” 

I can see the cancellation after this first season coming already.

Wait...that's the actual synopsis and not one of Nintex's little flights of fancy?

Shaggy is friendzoned because Velma fucks the dog. This is revealed in the episode titled: "The Peanut Butter Mystery"

[Uncle]

My God that Velma show

At Crystal Cove High School, Daphne (Constance Wu) is a popular mean girl orphan who deals drugs because of a dark family secret. Her boyfriend Fred (Glenn Howerton) personifies mediocre white richness. His mansion holds a dark secret — and he has teeny widdle privates, a subject of much conversation. "Shaggy" has become Norville (Sam Richardson), a school-newspaper striver friendzoned by his beloved Velma. He worries he's a beta male; remember that lame humor concept from 20 years ago?

Who asked for this? 

No Scooby Doo, turning Shaggy into “Norville” 

I can see the cancellation after this first season coming already.

ackchewally this venerable animator came up with the name in the late 80s for the show a pup named scooby doo

https://twitter.com/tomruegger/status/700066189213433856

[jorma]

My God that Velma show

At Crystal Cove High School, Daphne (Constance Wu) is a popular mean girl orphan who deals drugs because of a dark family secret. Her boyfriend Fred (Glenn Howerton) personifies mediocre white richness. His mansion holds a dark secret — and he has teeny widdle privates, a subject of much conversation. "Shaggy" has become Norville (Sam Richardson), a school-newspaper striver friendzoned by his beloved Velma. He worries he's a beta male; remember that lame humor concept from 20 years ago?

Who asked for this? 

No Scooby Doo, turning Shaggy into “Norville” 

I can see the cancellation after this first season coming already.

this sounds like if the people of resetera wrote a script based upon what all the chuds and gamergators they hate would hate. "yeah that's so cool, and then we give Fred a small dick, the chuds are REALLY gonna hate that lololol"

[ShutUp]

My God that Velma show

At Crystal Cove High School, Daphne (Constance Wu) is a popular mean girl orphan who deals drugs because of a dark family secret. Her boyfriend Fred (Glenn Howerton) personifies mediocre white richness. His mansion holds a dark secret — and he has teeny widdle privates, a subject of much conversation. "Shaggy" has become Norville (Sam Richardson), a school-newspaper striver friendzoned by his beloved Velma. He worries he's a beta male; remember that lame humor concept from 20 years ago?

Who asked for this? 

No Scooby Doo, turning Shaggy into “Norville” 

I can see the cancellation after this first season coming already.

Wait...that's the actual synopsis and not one of Nintex's little flights of fancy?

That quotes from one of the reviews and not the official synopsis but that’s definitely what happens in the show 

[Uncle]

and in this alternate timeline, the underprivileged voices go and make practically an identical movie...

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/avatar-the-way-of-water-will-gross-2-5-billion-update-faithless-seen-protesting-outside-beijing-film-bureaus-offices.662731/page-149#post-99516478

You know, you seem like a reasonable person Messofanego. Some posters might not be inclined to participate in threads with other people that routinely whip themselves up into a frenzy and start unironically comparing James Cameron to JK Rowling, or fantasize about James Cameron being a casting couch director. Or compare characters in the movie to anime pedobait. We just had two people in this thread compare Avatar to Birth of a Nation and Triumph of the Will. Cameron is equivalent to Hitler now, I guess? lol. What kind of discussion do you think can happen in this environment?

Then there's the usual mix of reasonable concerns with disingenuous arguments, quotes removed from context or have the most uncharitable reads possible. Maybe some don't want to to engage with people known for baiting others into getting banned. Or known for being extremely confrontational. Or participate in a sensitive topic they don't feel they know much about. Also, thankfully, as far as I know anyway, people aren't obliged to acknowledge users they find to be toxic, either. I imagine people also don't like talking to others when their starting argument is essentially "you're a shithead if you like this thing."

There's a conversation to be had about Avatar's problematic elements. I'm not sure if it's possible to have one here, anymore. I've had it elsewhere and even in this forum in years past. Seeing people essentially trying to bait others into an argument (partly because they're mad others won't acknowledge them on a personal level, let's be honest) won't actually make anyone more willing to engage either. If the objective is to dissuade anyone from talking about these movies they're halfway there I guess.

[Uncle]

My God that Velma show

At Crystal Cove High School, Daphne (Constance Wu) is a popular mean girl orphan who deals drugs because of a dark family secret. Her boyfriend Fred (Glenn Howerton) personifies mediocre white richness. His mansion holds a dark secret — and he has teeny widdle privates, a subject of much conversation. "Shaggy" has become Norville (Sam Richardson), a school-newspaper striver friendzoned by his beloved Velma. He worries he's a beta male; remember that lame humor concept from 20 years ago?

Who asked for this? 

No Scooby Doo, turning Shaggy into “Norville” 

I can see the cancellation after this first season coming already.

this sounds like if the people of resetera wrote a script based upon what all the chuds and gamergators they hate would hate. "yeah that's so cool, and then we give Fred a small dick, the chuds are REALLY gonna hate that lololol"

"and then we'll make shaggy black  and fred will always have this clueless face like durrrr  "

[Joe Molotov]

(Image removed from quote.)

and in this alternate timeline, the underprivileged voices go and make practically an identical movie...

Hard mode: These films aren’t in the MCU, though.

[HaughtyFrank]

Why would they rename shaggy? Is calling a black guy shaggy racist or something?

[Potato]

Why would they rename shaggy? Is calling a black guy shaggy racist or something?

Why do you think the drug user is the black guy?

 

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/avatar-the-way-of-water-will-gross-2-5-billion-update-faithless-seen-protesting-outside-beijing-film-bureaus-offices.662731/page-149#post-99516478

You know, you seem like a reasonable person Messofanego. Some posters might not be inclined to participate in threads with other people that routinely whip themselves up into a frenzy and start unironically comparing James Cameron to JK Rowling, or fantasize about James Cameron being a casting couch director. Or compare characters in the movie to anime pedobait. We just had two people in this thread compare Avatar to Birth of a Nation and Triumph of the Will. Cameron is equivalent to Hitler now, I guess? lol. What kind of discussion do you think can happen in this environment?

Then there's the usual mix of reasonable concerns with disingenuous arguments, quotes removed from context or have the most uncharitable reads possible. Maybe some don't want to to engage with people known for baiting others into getting banned. Or known for being extremely confrontational. Or participate in a sensitive topic they don't feel they know much about. Also, thankfully, as far as I know anyway, people aren't obliged to acknowledge users they find to be toxic, either. I imagine people also don't like talking to others when their starting argument is essentially "you're a shithead if you like this thing."

There's a conversation to be had about Avatar's problematic elements. I'm not sure if it's possible to have one here, anymore. I've had it elsewhere and even in this forum in years past. Seeing people essentially trying to bait others into an argument (partly because they're mad others won't acknowledge them on a personal level, let's be honest) won't actually make anyone more willing to engage either. If the objective is to dissuade anyone from talking about these movies they're halfway there I guess.

Ok, which one is you is Jett? Those arguments are way too close to not at least be a lurker.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

We are all jett when you think about it  .

[BIONIC]

You know, you seem like a reasonable person Messofanego

[Taco Bell Tower]

We are Jett

[Propagandhim]

(Image removed from quote.)

and in this alternate timeline, the underprivileged voices go and make practically an identical movie...

Wait a second, I thought the problem was that the characters in the film were too indigenous looking, to the extent that it was an insult that white actors were playing such obvious extractions of real life cultural indians -- that they could never be mistaken for pre-civilization indigenous Europeans, even.  Now the problem is that the characters, story,  and buildings are not authentic enough?  Then maybe they're not based on those indigenous people after all and they're entirely unique characters?  You know, because they're FUCKING BLUE.

[BIONIC]

We are Jett

Jett’s an obnoxious cunt himself

[NekoFever]

PEOPLE ARE AGREEING WITH JETT

[Taco Bell Tower]

PEOPLE ARE AGREEING WITH JETT

(Image removed from quote.)

Excuse me but if you're not participating in a thread that explains how problematic it is you are not allowed to in the OT

As I said, participation in the discussion is not required. A simple acknowledgment of the issues would be enough.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Because actions and inaction speak louder than words. People can say all they want that they do care and aren't indifferent. That's easy as hell to do. The hard thing, and the only thing I'd actually respect, is for people to back those words up and engage with people bringing this issues up, no matter how "toxic you believe it to be.

And just so you know, people have ALREADY done that. Yesterday, at least 3 or 4 people that regularly posted here came in the other thread, apologized for being dismissive of the issues surrounding this franchise and Cameron, and promised to do better and interact more.

Believe me when I say that I fucking know how hard that must've been. Acknowledging these issues is never easy. And if any of them are reading this now, you all have my eternal respect and gratitude for being that brave. But that is my point, regardless of how hard and uncomfortable it may have been, some people are actually coming forward and acknowledging the issues. They aren't just saying "we care!" then just ignoring it

 

Fucking avatar.

on a forum

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/avatar-the-way-of-water-will-gross-2-5-billion-update-faithless-seen-protesting-outside-beijing-film-bureaus-offices.662731/page-149#post-99522559
El Dumbastico

If you believe that discussion of the issues of racism and cultural appropriation in a movie you like is toxic and you will be dogpilled for liking it, you need to step back and ask yourself WHY.

Because guess what? This isn't about you or your feelings. I continue to see a shocking lack of empathy in this thread.

[Propagandhim]

I'm just chiming in to say that the relentless positivity surrounding this film on this site--and the countless threads about it--are by no means harmless. They do, actually, hurt--as reluctant as I am to admit that.

I just want to say thank you for posting and I'm sorry for any pain that reading through these threads have caused you.

 

[Vertigo]

Haha its beautiful to see that posters in that avatar bet thread are basically telling people like Messofanego and Alexandros they aren't going to be drawn into ‘conversations'

[Averon]

People aren't idiots. They know damn well the people egging them on to "engage in the discussion" is only doing so to ban bait them. For fuck sake, the vast majority of the people egging them on for "discussion" aren't even indigenous people themselves; they are inserting themselves and making themselves king-makers in a "discussion" that, by their own logic and standards, they should have no part in!

[Vertigo]

This has to be the lamest long running gimmick on resetera

https://www.resetera.com/threads/bloody-disgusting-two-decades-later-why-it’s-time-for-‘dino-crisis’-to-make-a-comeback.674458/

You’ll never believe who made the thread

 

[HaughtyFrank]

Honestly, cancel the bet and just have it as a box office thread. At the very least if it hits $2.5b I have zero desire to force any Avatar-related avatar on members of the Faithless who hold disdain as a result of the problematic elements found in the film. Likewise at this point perhaps having a singular 'Avatar' OT for the franchise would prevent further upset to people through seeing multiple threads they feel eclipse those on its issues. Naturally I'm speaking to a singular thread for fans of the franchise, not news on any problematic elements. Then anyone irritated by it can at least have a central source to ignore while contributing to the threads they're concerned with.

I've read every post of both threads on the issues present in the film, and learned a lot as a result. I'll continue to. I've not posted in them much because I don't feel like I have much to contribute to the discussion past what I've already said. I'm a fan of Avatar for personal reasons I've gone into before, but there's no value in talking about those because they in no way diminish, overwrite or excuse the problems others have with the franchise. Problems which are far more at the forefront than anything I personally take from the film. So, instead, I stick to reading the thoughts of those affected and educating myself on what issues there are both with the film and Cameron himself. I've personally reached out to apologise to the person I got into discussions with before re: the white saviour trope and my own ignorance of it, and have reached out to people from groups affected privately to get their thoughts and understand what media they feel would be beneficial for non-indigenous people to watch. As a result I'm watching films and shorts on these issues and learning about the problems native Americans are facing today. I'm heavily appreciative to the people who showed me the time to give their recommendations, and it's always been a well-mannered conversation. I might be wrong, but I've preferred this approach to making further posts in threads where I've already responded and have little new to add.

I do find it contradictory though, that when the endeavour is to focus on the voices of indigenous people that we have non-indigenous members being selective when it comes to which aspects of those voices they quote. Fully ignoring anyone from said groups with a positive take on what's presented. Which there are, and I know because I've spent time looking out posts from the affected peoples on social media and reading their views directly. From finding it offensive, to liking it, to wishing portions of the profits could be given to the communities whose cultures the Na'vi are based on, there's a wide range of conversation occurring. Even in the heavily critical interview with Iron Eyes, he mentions that the one aspect of the film he felt was accurate and spoke to him was the connection the Na'vi have with nature. Something that was omitted when non-indigenous people quoted him.

There's also a refusal to include Cliff Curtis' own views and contributions to the film and way the Metkayina were portrayed – something he was proud of and felt honoured his ancestors. To him the romanticism was a part of what he was trying to achieve, where others who watched it felt it undermined the struggles they faced. In both cases I find it more interesting to key into the dialogue of those a part of the groups in question than those outside of them. I'm interested in the spectrum of how people feel, which both informs me about the issues that need to be improved upon and also what parts of the film do seem to hit that emotional mark for many. It's an interesting and important conversation with all the nuances you'd expect.

Surely she gives the same charitable reading to trans people who don’t think Cyberpunk is transphobic or don’t mind people buying Hogwarts Legacy, or women who don’t mind sexy character designs? 

I had to come back to this because it really is so fucking two faced. All of the sudden Kyuuji cares about hearing the other side. The queer and trans people that worked on Cyberpunk 2077? They don't fucking matter, only the crying babies on Resetera do. In fact you'll get banned if you even dare bring them up in defense of the game. However now, that it's about something where Kyuuji is on the "wrong side" it's suddenly very important that we listen to all voices. What a cunt.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/Hugo__OS/status/1613296621181370369

 

Scooby Doo Would

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[Uncle]

had a dumb thought earlier maybe a little relevant to this thread

are "ethnic" accents in entertainment media racist? because they portray non-white people as sounding funny and/or too stupid to learn how to pronounce things properly?

I was thinking about this because of Beyond Good and Evil, you have an AI companion man

he is coded as generically suave european archetype and uses both spanish and italian, including actually made up spanish words like problemo

he always calls you Yade instead of Jade

to have one of the main voiced characters be constantly mispronouncing your name is an active choice someone on the dev team made

they didn't have to make it look like spanish italians are incapable of pronouncing J's, but they thought it would make a better game to do so

 

[Taco Bell Tower]

Do I have to cancel Beyond Good and Evil?  It's one of my favs

[Potato]

We are Jett

Jett’s an obnoxious cunt himself

...and that precludes him from being one of us somehow? Probably makes him more likely tbh