Other Forums Containment Thread

[TacoWallace]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/midgar-special-pack-ffvii-themed-dlc-for-powerwash-simulator-releases-on-march-2-for-free.686911/#post-101292916

The only Final Fantasy content coming to Xbox this year

Does Jawmuncher ever do any actual moderation in between jerking it to dino dick and making lousy console warrior jokes that get undeservedly showered with praise?

Technically it's not even true considering some quality DLC dropped a couple weeks back for FF Origin.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-metalera-ot-were-not-in-the-stone-age-anymore.812/page-247#post-101559535

User Banned (Permanent): Junior account, Self promotion

Haiduk - Sea of Fire

[Greatness Gone]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/how-do-we-fix-the-news-please-do-not-answer-%E2%80%9Cwe-can%E2%80%99t%E2%80%9D-looking-for-solutions-large-or-small.688009/#post-101587900

Molotov Cocktails.
I've lost all hope and imagination.

Same person who called for firebombing the Daily Mail multiple times when they deadnamed that kid last week.

Only the best people on this website

ironically the same type of person who would condemn the charlie hebdo massacre/beheading of Samuel Paty. the cognitive dissonance at work here...

Are you sure? a lot of RE shit talk Charlie Hebdo when some Muslim does something horrible because a cartoon of Muhammad. The usual “I don’t condone the attacks but they were racist pricks”. Most often than not, Era dislikes the concept of free speech.

I forgot Rusty Nails and other Ree members secretly (not so secretly) supported that smh. I forget how extremist Ree is beyond the dumb stuff sometimes. They need to be on a government watchlist.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/midgar-special-pack-ffvii-themed-dlc-for-powerwash-simulator-releases-on-march-2-for-free.686911/#post-101292916

The only Final Fantasy content coming to Xbox this year

Does Jawmuncher ever do any actual moderation in between jerking it to dino dick and making lousy console warrior jokes that get undeservedly showered with praise?

Technically it's not even true considering some quality DLC dropped a couple weeks back for FF Origin.

He's just there because hurr hurr Dino Crisis

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-microsoft-activision-blizzard-acquisition-ot-antitrust-simulator-up-provisional-findings-remedies-and-third-party-calls-from-the-cma.633344/page-543#post-101600743
Sony Pony with GoW profile pic

Releasing COD Day 1 on GamePass seems like a significant competitive advantage to me, even if it comes out on PlayStation for $70. Microsoft should release it for PSPlus and Nintendo Online as well (still I don't think this will appease regulators).

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/page-3#post-101609434

As it is often in ResetERA, so many people commenting and posting without understanding the full context of an issue.

no no, see: the entire world is actually the USA and has the same exact relationship and history with racist cartoon depictions so everyone must be sensitive of it at all times.

Edit:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/page-4#post-101615497

Ugh. Of course there is. There's no excuse not editing that out. Regardless if it's old. Idiots. What's Microsoft's process for approving content?

It's surprising how in E Europe this stuff is still incredibly prevalent. Too often I go to visit family in Poland, they flick on the TV and someone's doing blackface on a singing contest.

It's not something exclusively Eastern European. The Netherlands has an entire holiday revolving around blackface. It's a widespread problem in many European countries still.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://twitter.com/weitergeo/status/1628092343227121666?
https://twitter.com/vicesam/status/1628119977059311616?

[Taco Bell Tower]

I will say, too, as someone who grew up watching Soviet cartoons, whoo boy is there some racist shit there at times that of course I didn’t notice as a kid.

There's a lot of racist imagery in American cartoons and shows from that era as well, many of them still readily accessible through services like Disney+, albeit with a warning message.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/page-5#post-101617702

User banned (1 week): Metacommentary

Good lord, you DO get banned for the tiniest of reasons in here … nice to foster a place where people can actually have a discussion…

Thanks for the ppl giving context though !

 

Edit:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/page-5#post-101619469

Since the tweet in the OP is deleted, and the conversation in general has descended into a degree of commentary, this thread is staying closed.

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ministry-of-digital-transformation-of-ukraine-will-send-an-official-letter-to-sony-microsoft-valve-to-ban-the-sale-of-atomic-heart-in-ukraine.689254/page-2#post-101612140

Mods have made it very clear asking for games to be banned from discussion is a bannable offense.

I can't find that particular rule in the list of rules of the forum (but there are a lot of rules, and maybe I'm missing it or some alternative, broader rule). If it isn't there, I'm not sure how someone could be expected to know this beforehand.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/general-guide-to-resetera.9777/

 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/page-2#post-101606869
Incoming permban for ignoring site wide staff post

Well, when you set a precedent it should be followed in all situations, no? But it's quite simple, one is a cause that the mods care about and the other isn't.

Sure, if the mods can keep up with banning every thread on
Atomic Heart (Russia mass murders)
Warhammer Space Marine 2 (Russia mass murders)
Warhammer Rogue Trader (Russia mass murders)
Every Call of Duty (propaganda for US military mass murders and war crimes)
Every FIFA (their involvement with slavery and genocide in Qatar)
Everything involving Microsoft (their involvement with US military mass murders)
All consoles (linked to genocide in China)
And thousands more... plus all the infighting in all threads as users fight over which mass murders are more mass murdery than the other mass murders. What's the threshold for investment Saudi Arabia has in a company before we ban them? 8%, 20%, 51%?

Meanwhile there probably won't be another major Rowling thing to ban on this side for like 6 years. One is a far easier policy, and they almost didn't go with the wizard ban because even for one game it's such a massive pain.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ministry-of-digital-transformation-of-ukraine-will-send-an-official-letter-to-sony-microsoft-valve-to-ban-the-sale-of-atomic-heart-in-ukraine.689254/page-2#post-101612140

Mods have made it very clear asking for games to be banned from discussion is a bannable offense.

I can't find that particular rule in the list of rules of the forum (but there are a lot of rules, and maybe I'm missing it or some alternative, broader rule). If it isn't there, I'm not sure how someone could be expected to know this beforehand.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/general-guide-to-resetera.9777/

 

I'm not participating in this thread anymore and won't(haven't) made repeat posts going "this game should be banned" because I already submitted the report an hour ago. If I catch a ban, then oh well.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ministry-of-digital-transformation-of-ukraine-will-send-an-official-letter-to-sony-microsoft-valve-to-ban-the-sale-of-atomic-heart-in-ukraine.689254/page-3#post-101615374

User banned (1 week): Metacommentary

There's an OT up and active too 🤷‍♂️ 🤷‍♀️

There is something to be said about this when that wizard game never got the chance to being discussed here.

[Averon]

When you open the door for games being banned, don't be surprised when a game that has possible real, life-and-death consequences not being banned raises questions. The ERA mods walked right into this quagmire starting with Cyberpunk 2077. Their current tactic, so far, is to just ban everyone into submission that questions this pick-and-choosy double standard they have with banning games.

[Boredfrom]

When did Gestault become a total nutcase? I remember him being a reasonable person during GAF era, but since changing the forum, he has become a pretty hardcore idiot.

gestault: THE CAN HAS AN ANTI UKRAINE DOG WHISTLE.

somebody points out it was a real product label

Gestault and another idiot:  WHY THEY CHOOSE PORK WHEN THE LABEL DOESNT INCLUDE IT

the same guy says there is a label with pork

Do you think it's possible there's a reason they chose this can design?

 

How hard he has fallen…

[BIONIC]

User banned (1 week): Paying Attention to the Man Non-binary Person Behind the Curtain

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/page-5#post-101619469
Lock Message:

Since the tweet in the OP is deleted, and the conversation in general has descended into a degree of commentary, this thread is staying closed.

A first:
A thread about racism that Nep doesn't want to grandstand in.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ministry-of-digital-transformation-of-ukraine-will-send-an-official-letter-to-sony-microsoft-valve-to-ban-the-sale-of-atomic-heart-in-ukraine.689254/#post-101605249

User banned (1 week): derailing the thread with metacommentary about moderation policies

I reported the OT and asked for the game to be banned from here and included the link to this thread, as well as this one in the reasoning. If anyone else feels the same way, feel free to report it as well.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/

[Taco Bell Tower]

As many have already posted, it's from an old USSR cartoon that's still very popular today. The game takes place in the same time period that the cartoon started to air, there isn't anything to write about here.

I think what's more frustrating than the disgusting people who made this awful game is that they didn't even have to recruit an army of defenders. Putting the racist cartoon in your game is a choice.

The cartoon is about a wolf trying to eat a hare

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-rocky-the-most-consistently-best-movie-series.689275/#post-101611261

Actually I think Harry Potter takes the cake here for the best series, they're all really good. Even if the earlier ones are more kid friendly than the later ones, they're still pretty good movies. I'm sure some book afficianados or people woh get tied up in silly plots of magic movies might disagree (or JK Rowling being a piece of shit disqualifies them), but It hink in terms of consistently good movies, 7 or 8 of them, Harry Potter is tough to beat. I'm not a Potter-head or anything, haven't read any of the books and was ever into HP really, but I saw all of the movies and I liked them all.

 

[Taco Bell Tower]

Did no one here play Bioshock Infinite? I was shocked when I saw that the first time too but I realized it was to set the time period of the game. The history of belittling blacks in cartoons is a harsh one. From America to Japan.

I'm not black, and am sure you mean no harm, but as a trans person I have to give a big side-eye to turning the adjective "black" into a noun. Do you mean black people?

Having said that. Bioshock infinite was trying to say something about colonial America's history (successful or no) I don't know that atomic heart is saying anything about anything except maybe that women are sex objects that are sometimes barriers to men getting what they want.

A non black person speaking for black people?  NepNep, you know what to do

[Boredfrom]

When you open the door for games being banned, don't be surprised when a game that has possible real, life-and-death consequences not being banned raises questions. The ERA mods walked right into this quagmire starting with Cyberpunk 2077. Their current tactic, so far, is to just ban everyone into submission that questions this pick-and choosy double standard they have with banning games.

Being fair, they are desperate to find more reasons to get this banned than being a Russian product that, one way or another, finances the war effort.

Here's the thing, even with the context of "popular cartoon in Russia" or "actual product label", looking at just how many of these things there are makes me definitely question how much of it is just coincidental and without any sort of other intent.

Like, any single one of these things? Sure, whatever. But all of them together along with the other questionable elements (sexy sex robots, upgrade fridge sexual assault, etc.) definitely makes me look at it as a purposeful trend, not a mistake.

A lot of this reminds me of Breathedge's shitty things that were "hidden" away (sort of like can labels or in-game cartoons would be) but those were WAY more glaring and had WAY worse versions in the earlier beta versions of the game in Early Access.

I… I don’t think that is how it works…

“There is a lot little innocuous and easily explained shit, hence is intentional alt right”. 

The funny thing, it looks there is a lot of Russian video games with more explicit cuestionable content and directly linked to ultra nationalist Russians. Warlockcracy seems to cover most of them.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ministry-of-digital-transformation-of-ukraine-will-send-an-official-letter-to-sony-microsoft-valve-to-ban-the-sale-of-atomic-heart-in-ukraine.689254/page-3#post-101618776

User banned (1 week): derailing the thread with metacommentary about moderation policies

I don’t think there is anything wrong or against the rules with asking for a game to be banned. The issue that came up with the Atomic Heart review thread was that people used the issue of potentially banning the game to talk about a game that is banned, Hogwarts Legacy. If you actually follow the conversation there, it was pretty obvious what started it was someone mad they couldn’t openly talk about the wizard game and decided to use this situation to further that, and then a bunch of bad faith actors posting the usual ‘free speech’ dog whistle stuff.

I imagine if you just continue to come into threads repeatedly to talk about bans, you will cop a ban just for spamming, but I have no idea there

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/page-5#post-101619469
Lock Message:

Since the tweet in the OP is deleted, and the conversation in general has descended into a degree of commentary, this thread is staying closed.

A first:
A thread about racism that Nep doesn't want to grandstand in.

I imagine most of the mod staff begged her to shut the fuck up after making a transparent anti Ukrainian thread a week ago.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-rocky-the-most-consistently-best-movie-series.689275/#post-101611261

Actually I think Harry Potter takes the cake here for the best series, they're all really good. Even if the earlier ones are more kid friendly than the later ones, they're still pretty good movies. I'm sure some book afficianados or people woh get tied up in silly plots of magic movies might disagree (or JK Rowling being a piece of shit disqualifies them), but It hink in terms of consistently good movies, 7 or 8 of them, Harry Potter is tough to beat. I'm not a Potter-head or anything, haven't read any of the books and was ever into HP really, but I saw all of the movies and I liked them all.

 

Damnit, I respected him but here he is announcing the wizard movies are the best.  There goes my hero

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/page-5#post-101618845

User banned (1 week): inflammatory false equivalency

People are worked about Atomic Heart cause it's Soviet. That's it.

I haven't seen one third the outrage on here about every Call of Duty game championing US war crimes or The Last Of Us being made by a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation. The fucking military industrial complex directly funds half of Western shooters yet everyone's got 'concerns' about Atomic Heart?

It's just bad faith xenophobia and red scare shit. You can have issues with the Russian government without acting like Russian culture, people, and the history of the Soviet Union are these transcendent evils that must be criticized and attacked at every turn.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/page-3#post-101609434

As it is often in ResetERA, so many people commenting and posting without understanding the full context of an issue.

no no, see: the entire world is actually the USA and has the same exact relationship and history with racist cartoon depictions so everyone must be sensitive of it at all times.

Edit:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/page-4#post-101615497

Ugh. Of course there is. There's no excuse not editing that out. Regardless if it's old. Idiots. What's Microsoft's process for approving content?

It's surprising how in E Europe this stuff is still incredibly prevalent. Too often I go to visit family in Poland, they flick on the TV and someone's doing blackface on a singing contest.

It's not something exclusively Eastern European. The Netherlands has an entire holiday revolving around blackface. It's a widespread problem in many European countries still.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/page-4#post-101614354

...Finished jerking yourself off?

Rhetorical boys club big 

[Boredfrom]

The Last Of Us being made by a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation

Holy shit, that asshole went full filler. 

[Averon]

Community Thread:

I understand the previous stances completely and why those actions were taken, but it really feels like the moderation team created a monster re: people calling for banning games/topics.

Yep. Even then I personally feel very little (obviously some applies) should be banned it’s just that most of the posters here are incapable of discussing hot topics like adults. It feels like lately I see calls for bans on so much but to me
It doesn’t really solve the core problem with many things. It really feels like the board needs a “State of Era” address every so often so it doesn’t get to this point

Yeah. I don't know, I feel like there should be a new sitewide announcement about this, maybe a discussion with the community about the subject. Atomic Heart and Nintendo/Saudi threads both became clusterfucks this past week because of this and I don't see it stopping anytime soon.

I feel like there's no place as a community to express our concerns about problematic topics in general without the risk of being banned. I really feel like moderation has been harsh lately and that the general mood hasn't been really good.

I know the last few years have been terrible for most people (COVID, economy, etc.) but I wish this place would be more chill like it used to be.

This, there needs to be something to announce rules site wide and not just lost in a thread that most people dont know about and hidden in the thread marks that most users don't click on

Which to me seems like the worst way to spread a new rule. Mods have talked about the animosity between userbase and mods before and I feel like this doesn't help that.
No one will be coming back from that one week ban thinking that it was their own fault for not knowing to check page X in a thread they may have never seen.

I agree with this.

But then there’s the question whether this new rule is visible enough outside this thread. I have no idea if it is but if not, then it’s better to mention it somewhere it can be read by most members.

I agree with the mods on this. It was clear to me that this was a very slippery slope before the mods made this rule. It got really tiring seeing this question in many topics.

Another aspect to consider is the fact that whilst mods have said they no longer will ban things people ask for, they actually still do and (rightfully) banned talking about the Hogwarts game.

And people wonder why others think it's ok to want other stuff banned.

A lot of the present issues site wide would be fixed if:

A) The sites rules were updated so they are all in one place, and not spread out over this thread, the actual ToS and a random sticky

B) Users were told to familiarise themselves with this updated TOS page so they have both fair warning and no excuse for breaking rules

I am glad users are starting to catch bans for asking for stuff to be banned as it’s turning loads of threads into shitshows

I just don’t understand why there is any reluctance or hesitation to just put all the rules in one place. Like, do you need any help drafting them? Is there not enough staff or admins around to be able to copy and paste them into one place? Is there a behind the scenes big picture reason we don’t understand as to why the rules work better spread out and buried in several places?

People are now wondering whether the mods are, you know, shit at this whole moderation thing.

[Greatness Gone]

The Last Of Us being made by a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation

Holy shit, that asshole went full filler. 

i see they are still parroting and mindlessly spreading ideas from one of the worst opinion pieces I have ever had the displeasure of reading in my life

https://www.vice.com/en/article/bv8da4/the-not-so-hidden-israeli-politics-of-the-last-of-us-part-ii

if you haven't read it before, be prepared to lose several brain cells.

[Taco Bell Tower]

I was gonna that's not what I read

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/page-4#post-101615473
Dude who sworn he would ask for ban account close if people keep saying bad things about Forspoken

Just like back in the Forspoken thread mentioning this exact criticism, I have 0 clue what people are on about. Everyone I know drops F-Bombs like crazy and in that situation I would do the exact same thing. Like what is the protag supposed to say when he gets grabbed “Oh Good Heavens this surely is a predicament!”

[HaughtyFrank]

When you open the door for games being banned, don't be surprised when a game that has possible real, life-and-death consequences not being banned raises questions. The ERA mods walked right into this quagmire starting with Cyberpunk 2077. Their current tactic, so far, is to just ban everyone into submission that questions this pick-and choosy double standard they have with banning games.

Being fair, they are desperate to find more reasons to get this banned than being a Russian product that, one way or another, finances the war effort.

Here's the thing, even with the context of "popular cartoon in Russia" or "actual product label", looking at just how many of these things there are makes me definitely question how much of it is just coincidental and without any sort of other intent.

Like, any single one of these things? Sure, whatever. But all of them together along with the other questionable elements (sexy sex robots, upgrade fridge sexual assault, etc.) definitely makes me look at it as a purposeful trend, not a mistake.

A lot of this reminds me of Breathedge's shitty things that were "hidden" away (sort of like can labels or in-game cartoons would be) but those were WAY more glaring and had WAY worse versions in the earlier beta versions of the game in Early Access.

I… I don’t think that is how it works…

“There is a lot little innocuous and easily explained shit, hence is intentional alt right”. 

The funny thing, it looks there is a lot of Russian video games with more explicit cuestionable content and directly linked to ultra nationalist Russians. Warlockcracy seems to cover most of them.

This whole atomic heart affair is so dumb. Part of the money might go to the russian goverment and then finance the war, that's a legit concern and something everyone needs to make their own decision about.
But all this shitflinging about "omg, this game has sexy robots" (Good lord have they gone prude when every single game that has an attractive character is problematic) "look at the can label" "omg, what flowers is that drone carrying" then you don't look like you're providing more evidence, you're looking like you're just desperately slinging shit like a conspiracy nut because you reach for anything that fulfills your preconception.

[Greatness Gone]

speaking of forspoken...



 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-ministry-of-digital-transformation-of-ukraine-will-send-an-official-letter-to-sony-microsoft-valve-to-ban-the-sale-of-atomic-heart-in-ukraine.689254/#post-101605249

User banned (1 week): derailing the thread with metacommentary about moderation policies

I reported the OT and asked for the game to be banned from here and included the link to this thread, as well as this one in the reasoning. If anyone else feels the same way, feel free to report it as well.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/

I'm not participating in this thread anymore and won't(haven't) made repeat posts going "this game should be banned" because I already submitted the report an hour ago. If I catch a ban, then oh well.

[Averon]

When you open the door for games being banned, don't be surprised when a game that has possible real, life-and-death consequences not being banned raises questions. The ERA mods walked right into this quagmire starting with Cyberpunk 2077. Their current tactic, so far, is to just ban everyone into submission that questions this pick-and choosy double standard they have with banning games.

Being fair, they are desperate to find more reasons to get this banned than being a Russian product that, one way or another, finances the war effort.

Here's the thing, even with the context of "popular cartoon in Russia" or "actual product label", looking at just how many of these things there are makes me definitely question how much of it is just coincidental and without any sort of other intent.

Like, any single one of these things? Sure, whatever. But all of them together along with the other questionable elements (sexy sex robots, upgrade fridge sexual assault, etc.) definitely makes me look at it as a purposeful trend, not a mistake.

A lot of this reminds me of Breathedge's shitty things that were "hidden" away (sort of like can labels or in-game cartoons would be) but those were WAY more glaring and had WAY worse versions in the earlier beta versions of the game in Early Access.

I… I don’t think that is how it works…

“There is a lot little innocuous and easily explained shit, hence is intentional alt right”. 

The funny thing, it looks there is a lot of Russian video games with more explicit cuestionable content and directly linked to ultra nationalist Russians. Warlockcracy seems to cover most of them.

This whole atomic heart affair is so dumb. Part of the money might go to the russian goverment and then finance the war, that's a legit concern and something everyone needs to make their own decision about.
But all this shitflinging about "omg, this game has sexy robots" (Good lord have they gone prude when every single game that has an attractive character is problematic) "look at the can label" "omg, what flowers is that drone carrying" then you don't look like you're providing more evidence, you're looking like you're just desperately slinging shit like a conspiracy nut because you reach for anything that fulfills your preconception.

ERA:
Game possibly facilitating war and civilian deaths....

ERA:
Appearance of sexiness that tickle straight men's fancy...

[team filler]

this trans genocide I keep reading about reminds me a lot of the bowling green massacre tbh 

[Joe Molotov]

When you open the door for games being banned, don't be surprised when a game that has possible real, life-and-death consequences not being banned raises questions. The ERA mods walked right into this quagmire starting with Cyberpunk 2077. Their current tactic, so far, is to just ban everyone into submission that questions this pick-and choosy double standard they have with banning games.

Being fair, they are desperate to find more reasons to get this banned than being a Russian product that, one way or another, finances the war effort.

Here's the thing, even with the context of "popular cartoon in Russia" or "actual product label", looking at just how many of these things there are makes me definitely question how much of it is just coincidental and without any sort of other intent.

Like, any single one of these things? Sure, whatever. But all of them together along with the other questionable elements (sexy sex robots, upgrade fridge sexual assault, etc.) definitely makes me look at it as a purposeful trend, not a mistake.

A lot of this reminds me of Breathedge's shitty things that were "hidden" away (sort of like can labels or in-game cartoons would be) but those were WAY more glaring and had WAY worse versions in the earlier beta versions of the game in Early Access.

I… I don’t think that is how it works…

“There is a lot little innocuous and easily explained shit, hence is intentional alt right”. 

The funny thing, it looks there is a lot of Russian video games with more explicit cuestionable content and directly linked to ultra nationalist Russians. Warlockcracy seems to cover most of them.

This whole atomic heart affair is so dumb. Part of the money might go to the russian goverment and then finance the war, that's a legit concern and something everyone needs to make their own decision about.
But all this shitflinging about "omg, this game has sexy robots" (Good lord have they gone prude when every single game that has an attractive character is problematic) "look at the can label" "omg, what flowers is that drone carrying" then you don't look like you're providing more evidence, you're looking like you're just desperately slinging shit like a conspiracy nut because you reach for anything that fulfills your preconception.

ERA:
Game possibly facilitating war and civilian deaths....

ERA:
Appearance of sexiness that tickle straight men's fancy...

[MMaRsu]

When you open the door for games being banned, don't be surprised when a game that has possible real, life-and-death consequences not being banned raises questions. The ERA mods walked right into this quagmire starting with Cyberpunk 2077. Their current tactic, so far, is to just ban everyone into submission that questions this pick-and choosy double standard they have with banning games.

Being fair, they are desperate to find more reasons to get this banned than being a Russian product that, one way or another, finances the war effort.

Here's the thing, even with the context of "popular cartoon in Russia" or "actual product label", looking at just how many of these things there are makes me definitely question how much of it is just coincidental and without any sort of other intent.

Like, any single one of these things? Sure, whatever. But all of them together along with the other questionable elements (sexy sex robots, upgrade fridge sexual assault, etc.) definitely makes me look at it as a purposeful trend, not a mistake.

A lot of this reminds me of Breathedge's shitty things that were "hidden" away (sort of like can labels or in-game cartoons would be) but those were WAY more glaring and had WAY worse versions in the earlier beta versions of the game in Early Access.

I… I don’t think that is how it works…

“There is a lot little innocuous and easily explained shit, hence is intentional alt right”. 

The funny thing, it looks there is a lot of Russian video games with more explicit cuestionable content and directly linked to ultra nationalist Russians. Warlockcracy seems to cover most of them.

This whole atomic heart affair is so dumb. Part of the money might go to the russian goverment and then finance the war, that's a legit concern and something everyone needs to make their own decision about.
But all this shitflinging about "omg, this game has sexy robots" (Good lord have they gone prude when every single game that has an attractive character is problematic) "look at the can label" "omg, what flowers is that drone carrying" then you don't look like you're providing more evidence, you're looking like you're just desperately slinging shit like a conspiracy nut because you reach for anything that fulfills your preconception.

ERA:
Game possibly facilitating war and civilian deaths....

ERA:
Appearance of sexiness that tickle straight men's fancy...

(Image removed from quote.)

OBJECTIFICATION OF FEMBOTS!!

 

[Taco Bell Tower]

 

[BIONIC]

this trans genocide I keep reading about reminds me a lot of the bowling green massacre tbh 

My uncle who works at Nintendo died in that massacre you fucking monster

[cosmicblizzard]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/page-2#post-101606869
Incoming permban for ignoring site wide staff post

Well, when you set a precedent it should be followed in all situations, no? But it's quite simple, one is a cause that the mods care about and the other isn't.

Sure, if the mods can keep up with banning every thread on
Atomic Heart (Russia mass murders)
Warhammer Space Marine 2 (Russia mass murders)
Warhammer Rogue Trader (Russia mass murders)
Every Call of Duty (propaganda for US military mass murders and war crimes)
Every FIFA (their involvement with slavery and genocide in Qatar)
Everything involving Microsoft (their involvement with US military mass murders)
All consoles (linked to genocide in China)
And thousands more... plus all the infighting in all threads as users fight over which mass murders are more mass murdery than the other mass murders. What's the threshold for investment Saudi Arabia has in a company before we ban them? 8%, 20%, 51%?

Meanwhile there probably won't be another major Rowling thing to ban on this side for like 6 years. One is a far easier policy, and they almost didn't go with the wizard ban because even for one game it's such a massive pain.

Kind of goes back to my thought about the marginalization of trans people being far and away more important than any other group, as if there actually is an "oppressions olympics" hierarchy.

"Doing the right thing isn't easy" is something you'll see a lot from these kinds of people, but the HL ban WAS easy because of how widespread the discourse got even outside Era.  And yet, the game being so high profile has kind of shown the initial ease was misplaced.  Because now people are rightfully asking questions about why "this luxury product funding a genocide isn't okay while this other luxury product funding a genocide is".  Even if you think Atomic Heart has enough plausible deniability, other popular products don't and are verifiably and unambiguously leading to more death and destruction than this constructed caricature of JK Rowling could ever hope to cause even in her wildest of dreams. 

But no one wants to have that conversation because it's an impossible standard for these people.  It's still very easy to point out the hypocrisy despite that.  "Why do you have to play this one game when there are thousands more to play?" is a fine saying until it gets to a game you truly care about (hell, don't even have to go far for it to apply to Nep).  Could always turn the site into a forum about indie games, where the "still thousands of games to play" actually would work, but that's too hard to do the right thing over.

[MMaRsu]

this trans genocide I keep reading about reminds me a lot of the bowling green massacre tbh 

My uncle who works at Nintendo died in that massacre you fucking monster

you mean worked there right?

Or does Nintendo employ actual zombies now? I wouldnt put it past them tbh. Real sussy company

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/page-4#post-101617516

Tweet deleted. Does anyone have a screenshot for some context?

The tweet itself takes the game out of context. It uses real world material from the Soviet Union. Another user pointed this out.

Edit:...that can reference though? That might be harder to explain. I don't know.

Edit 2: Never mind, people are just lying about things now. That's why you don't believe everything you see on the internet.

It doesn’t say this is a “swine meat”, it says “sausage ground meat”

And quick googling shows that it existed in USSR, people even are selling these labels.

[Averon]

Remember, they crucified and pigeon-holed Cyberpunk 2077 for a single ad they mental gymnnastic'd their way into it being transphobic. Which of course, in their minds, means the entire game is guilty of disgusting transphobia.

[Taco Bell Tower]

KrAzY

see some folks defending this as same folks defending other troublesome games, ie, kingdom come deliverance, not surprised.

Crazy indeed

[BIONIC]

Remember, they crucified and pigeon-holed Cyberpunk 2077 for a single ad they mental gymnnastic'd their way into it being transphobic. Which of course, in their minds, means the entire game is guilty of disgusting transphobia.

The entirety of that game’s development and the whole studio behind it are steeped in transphobia, shitlord

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/#post-101602456

Well, when you set a precedent it should be followed in all situations, no? But it's quite simple, one is a cause that the mods care about and the other isn't.

You know this one particularly stung.

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/#post-101602456

Well, when you set a precedent it should be followed in all situations, no? But it's quite simple, one is a cause that the mods care about and the other isn't.

You know this one particularly stung.

Inconvenient truths often do.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/im-just-gonna-say-it-resetera-is-a-really-good-gaming-forum.689344/

I know that meta-commentary about the site itself is frowned upon but hopefully this discussion will be allowed to live since it's meant to be positive.


I've been noticing a trend over the last few years where ResetERA members will oftentimes speak negatively of the perceived "community" on the site, criticizing it as being overly negative among other things. I came across this thread today, for example, and there were many posts in my thread about console wars the other day claiming that ERA is rife with thinly veiled fanboyism, bad-faith arguments, and other bothersome forms of discourse. And I get that everyone's experience with the site varies depending on the kinds of threads they frequent and their own personal perception of "negativity" as it relates to online gaming discussion, but I feel compelled to shine a light on how good we actually have it here.

I've been active on gaming forums for most of my life, starting as a wee lad back in the late 90's on GameFAQs. I bounced around various community forums for years back then before finding the Old Site sometime around 2009. I very much enjoyed my time on the Old Site for years before its implosion and then happily hopped aboard the Discord life boats during the exodus to ERA. My point is I've been around the block and have seen all the forms that online gaming discussion can take in forums, chat rooms, you name it. And I honestly haven't experienced an overall better community for thoughtful, respectful discussion about this hobby that we all love than this one.

Of course, nothing is perfect. The style of moderation and strict rules in place here are not everyone's cup of tea, nor were they on the Old Site before it went to shit. I get that, truly. But regardless of that or its imperfect consequences I think that the end result is still my favorite place to talk games with throngs of strangers during the workday. Really. Regardless of your specific critiques or perceived shortcomings of this community or the site itself, have you ever seen gaming discussion take a form better than what we have here today?

I mean, come on! The average ERA user here is intelligent, well-written, kind, and has a lifelong love of games as a medium and hobby. It's where I go to hash out the most esoteric, specific topics/debates pertaining to gaming both old and new, confident that the resulting discussion will be fruitful. It's what the Internet was always supposed to be about, right? Connecting with strangers and exchanging ideas/opinions about shared interests?

Maybe it hits differently for me to have such a healthy, active gaming community like this one because in my adult life most of my friends are more casual in their gaming habits and aren't ones to discuss anything as deeply as we tend to here. And my wife, god bless her, can only be reasonably expected to listen to my rambling about games in short bursts before her eyes glaze over. When I want to fuckin' discuss fonts in games, there's no other community I trust more to get into the weeds with me. And in my own subjective experience with the site, I've very rarely ever taken umbrage with other users for rude posts or being generally combative. I honestly don't encounter much that I would personally consider to be overly negative on here on the average day, but I don't want to discredit other people's valid experiences that they've had.

I dunno, man. I just think sometimes that people on this site could take a step back and appreciate its strengths rather than bemoan aspects of it that they think could be better. We're talking about videogames. It's fun! Don't let little spurts of bullshit here and there bring you down, because that's life (and especially the Internet as a general rule).

Thus concludes my pro-ResetERA rant. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

[Averon]

Funny how that "meta commentary" gets to stay up. 

[TacoWallace]

People are now wondering whether the mods are, you know, shit at this whole moderation thing.

#BringBackBronsonLee

[joeboy101]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-uh-theres-a-racist-cartoon-in-atomic-heart.689227/page-2#post-101605684

100%. Please don't provide me any context I need to publicly rage at something I don't fully understand and karma farm strangers.

'Karma Farming' is my new favorite term.

 

[Nintex]

People are now wondering whether the mods are, you know, shit at this whole moderation thing.

#BringBackBronsonLee

We need hobbes to manage this incident

[Hap Shaughnessy]

User Banned (1 Month): Baiting Thread to Talk about Banned Game

https://www.resetera.com/threads/saudi-arabia-continue-to-increase-its-stake-in-nintendo-now-up-to-7.687319/page-7#post-101370079

Yeah, the media and fans bent over backwards to do what they could to boycott that game that came out last week and it seems that said game is going to be one of the highest selling games of 2023. So they did all that just to feel better about themselves because clearly it didn't have the intended affect.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/saudi-arabia-continue-to-increase-its-stake-in-nintendo-now-up-to-7.687319/page-7#post-101376469

User Banned (2 Weeks): Starting a metacommentary derail

The staff seems to be trying to stuff the cat back in the bag. The atomic heart threads are an indication that they appear to not want users to try and push for specific game discussions to be banned. It definitely doesn't feel like there is a clear line anywhere.

While constantly saying "why isn't discussion of this game banned?" appears to be getting moderated to some extent, that's a pretty halfhearted measure on it's own. There isn't anything I can see being done regarding users turning threads very hostile. To draw an analogy, if every thread about someone eating food containing meat was being turned into debates between people who wanted to discuss the topic and vegetarians / vegans, people would find that quite exhausting and unpleasant. It's not that their arguments and philosophies are wrong, but people generally understand that it just sucks when everything becomes a warzone.

When it comes to social issues nobody wants to be perceived as "tone policing" or "dismissing valid issues" so they probably feel like their hands are tied here. I don't think it's possible to satisfy everybody, but threads increasingly feel twitterish in how hostile and unpleasant they get to interact with.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/what-is-your-avatars-favorite-food.687298/page-3#post-101340835

User Banned (1 Week): Boys Club Rhetoric

Pussy

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/easy-allies-ot3-begin-corrections-music-please.145554/page-368#post-101472265

User banned (1 month): Dismissive attitude about banned games

I dont see the problem with a company that covers video games, covering a video game. Im sure there are plenty of people in their audience that want to hear their thoughts on the game that warrants them covering it.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/easy-allies-ot3-begin-corrections-music-please.145554/page-368#post-101472265

User banned (1 month): Dismissive attitude about banned games

I dont see the problem with a company that covers video games, covering a video game. Im sure there are plenty of people in their audience that want to hear their thoughts on the game that warrants them covering it.

Until a couple of hours ago I was happily going to continue with my $5 pledge but, after watching Frame Trap today, I can no longer do so. I am honestly very disappointed that they decided to cover a certain game on that show. The UK has become a nasty, hostile place and I already give a small portion of my salary to a leading UK LGBTQ+ charity. I cannot in good conscience give money to a group who would cover that game no matter how 'sensitively' the discussion was introduced.

Yeah.

Real interesting choice to reveal this only after you've done your survey tbh. I definitely would've answered the question about why I'm not a Patron differently if I'd had this information.

 

[NekoFever]

I know the moderation team there has a combined IQ lower than Forspoken’s sales figures, but cracking down hard on demands for games to be banned, like such an idea is unthinkable, immediately after very publicly banning probably the most popular game of the year, makes you look like fucking nutters.

[NegativeCrepe]

Funny how that "meta commentary" gets to stay up. 

that really says it all about eras moderation. if its fellating the mods they leave it up and if its critical they lock and ban.

they dont even try to be consistent. I really think the entire mod stance they have is totally based around if it makes them look bad or not

[NekoFever]

User Banned (1 Month): Baiting Thread to Talk about Banned Game

https://www.resetera.com/threads/saudi-arabia-continue-to-increase-its-stake-in-nintendo-now-up-to-7.687319/page-7#post-101370079

Yeah, the media and fans bent over backwards to do what they could to boycott that game that came out last week and it seems that said game is going to be one of the highest selling games of 2023. So they did all that just to feel better about themselves because clearly it didn't have the intended affect.

I had to check whether that was an actual user name or another nickname for Nepenthe.