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[Cauliflower Of Love]

Why would they have a racist person in their life?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

[Greatness Gone]

mod protected distinguished mentally-challenged fellow allowed to make 11th drunk thread without thread making priveleges being revoked

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dont-even.711023/#post-104461946

get me started

goo god of ducmm fuck

[Joe Molotov]

Does Booshka has any personality beyond “I’m a white leftie”? He tried to shill for trains in the black man vs white baby thread:

Another reason to invest in High Speed Rail, you can get up and walk to another car. There could be an entire car devoted to parents and families with childcare amenities.

TRAINS

https://www.resetera.com/threads/going-viral-airline-passenger-freaks-out-during-southwest-flight-due-to-crying-baby-video-article.710723/page-6#post-104429336

I keep reading responses and I keep seeing arguments for 200+MPH trains that eliminate so many of the grievances people have.

Nationalized HSR networks that are considered a public good and have multiple train cars to serve all types of needs.

Crying baby pissing you off, walk to another car and have a drink, chill out. Anxiety got you stressed and struggling, well now you’re on a car with other calm and compassionate riders and service attendants.

The tin can echo chamber joke that this unruly passenger mentioned is the root of most of the problems.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/going-viral-airline-passenger-freaks-out-during-southwest-flight-due-to-crying-baby-video-article.710723/page-7#post-104433560

No one seem to even bother to entertain him in that thread.

Why are they always fetishizing trains?

This sounds like a really fucking long train, will it even be able to go 200+ mph when the first car and the last car are both in the station on opposite ends of the country?

Shut up Benji, trains are just cool, okay?

[HaughtyFrank]

Shut up Benji, trains are just cool, okay?

[nobody of note]

Jesus christ Nepenthe is mad about AI:

Why not just ban those that don't discuss these things in good faith though? Instead of outright banning thread topics because a subset of people don't argue in good faith, just ban those that react that way. As has already been shown in this thread, there are people who disagree with this blanket stance, but it seems as though traditional artists have more of a say in this than those who are merely interested in this field or those that actively use AI to enhance their works. There are all sorts of different artists around, and to just stand behind those that dislike AI because they complained enough seems like a misstep to me.

Warnings and bans, including two permanent ones, were handed out both to bad faith actors and even affected artists who had stepped over the line regarding inflammatory rhetoric and insults. It did not actually improve the quality of discussion, because ultimately it was the Dunning-Kruger effect combining with a general lack of respect to artists and various artistic disciplines, neither of which are inherently against the rules as they were written beforehand.

I cannot ban braindead suggestions for how AI can be used to improve animation workflows that completely ignores what animators have said on the last page because of reasonable doubt; "I was just asking a question in good faith!" is what such tickets would say. I cannot ban someone who ignores the larger argument just to drive-by with "wow, this looks amazing, the future is bright" or whatever, thus exacerbating the tension, because I can't ban someone for merely having an opinion that any given piece of AI content looks good to them. I cannot ban someone for ignoring the larger ethical implications of how the data for content generation algorithms was laundered by going "Well, it was legal, so it doesn't matter how artists feel" because that is technically true. I cannot ban someone for going "I don't see the problem with having AI draw the backgrounds" because implicitly shitting on skilled background artists who take pride in their work and who actually like doing their job also isn't against the rules.

It is a case where a slovenly lack of empathy and knowledge, along with a fundamental philosophical disagreement on the value of art itself, doesn't actually infringe all that much upon the existing rule set. However, the general flow of the threads was nonetheless causing a lot of heat and was coming to a head with regards to how industry creatives felt about even being here at all, more so than usual. So this was the next best solution. If people want to have a space to talk about how all this AI stuff looks great and is a hopeful sign for the future or whatever, then they will still have a space to do that. But they simply don't get to flood the forums with all manner of fluff and be assholes to the degree that they were beforehand.

But in general, this idea that the discussion in these threads was nuanced, good faith, riveting, or otherwise substantial doesn't jive with the reality of what we were seeing. It was a bunch of armchair AI proponents and general tech nerds talking down to and dismissing artists, with maybe a few people like Nothing Loud, collige, and brainchild able to actually provide some meaningful technological insight since they actually work in the field. The threads in general were just "wow, look at thing" with most people going "yeah, thing looks cool" and affected artists would go "No, this actually looks like shit" and then we end up in a back and forth over the above. Enough was enough.

And yes, we are deferring more to professional artists. This is a video game forum. This isn't an AI enthusiast forum. So far in our history, most of the video games that we have today are made wholly or primarily by human skill, effort, and vision. Maybe in some future where all of our content is churned out algorithmically from prompt engineers typing in keywords to whatever video game algorithm will exist then, ResetEra will flip its stance and we'll update our rules. But for now, in the present moment, the fact of the matter is that the human artists matter more as to why we even gather here at all than the AI proponents do. I don't know what else to tell you on that one.

I feel like I've seen them hand down bans for essentially all the offenses Nepenthe said she couldn't hand down a ban for before--I know banning for drive-bys has happened and it feels like most of the rest could be bundled up as dismissing concerns in a sensitive thread, since I think the gist is just that artists are a protected class on Era so as AI progresses they'll have to fight their way up the stack-rank of oppressed groups.

[Nintex]

"AI will replace all jobs"

*me in a zoom call with a brand manager*

"Can you see my screen?"
"You are on mute"
"Drag the PDF to google drive to open it"

Most jobs are safe.
There's still people using printers and a fax

[HaughtyFrank]

I'd just like to imagine Nepenthe doing the same shit when western animation made the jump from 2D to 3D.

[Crumb]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lineup-for-the-game-awards-10-year-concert-revealed.711011/post-104461463

disappointed that halo isnt there but instead we got banned ip instead

 

Geoff Keighley is...not someone we should trust to have great politics. He was still responding to & liking tweets from Elon into this year, well after the dude took his mask off. (He liked an Elon tweet criticizing the NY Times three weeks ago!)

He's not the world's greatest monster or anything, but never mistake him for an ally.

[Uncle]

I'd just like to imagine Nepenthe doing the same shit when western animation made the jump from 2D to 3D.

that would be justified though

[Greatness Gone]

liking Elon Musk tweets and letting WB play Harry Potter music at his event makes Geoff COMPLICIT IN GENOCIDE! 

[joeboy101]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lineup-for-the-game-awards-10-year-concert-revealed.711011/post-104461463

disappointed that halo isnt there but instead we got banned ip instead

 

Geoff Keighley is...not someone we should trust to have great politics. He was still responding to & liking tweets from Elon into this year, well after the dude took his mask off. (He liked an Elon tweet criticizing the NY Times three weeks ago!)

He's not the world's greatest monster or anything, but never mistake him for an ally.

Welp, if Hogwarts is in the lineup…

Does that mean ERA bans the VGAs from being discussed or a live thread following it?

 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cat-killing-competition-for-children-axed-after-backlash.710495/page-4#post-104403107

User Banned (1 Day): Inflammatory Commentary

Children with a history of killing animals also have a disturbingly high link to be violent offenders that commit very serious crimes when they're older and you have the audacity to tell people to grow up? Touch grass and educate yourself

Regarding to kitty genocidal RustyNails I bet Morrigan wishes she perm banned him again.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lineup-for-the-game-awards-10-year-concert-revealed.711011/post-104461463

disappointed that halo isnt there but instead we got banned ip instead

 

Geoff Keighley is...not someone we should trust to have great politics. He was still responding to & liking tweets from Elon into this year, well after the dude took his mask off. (He liked an Elon tweet criticizing the NY Times three weeks ago!)

He's not the world's greatest monster or anything, but never mistake him for an ally.

(He liked an Elon tweet criticizing the NY Times three weeks ago!)

But... doesn't RE hate the NYT too? 

[Potato]

Lots of hubbub around this trailer on Reee


https://twitter.com/esankiy/status/1648717946477314048

Because it features a body cam style camera, they are saying that it reminds them too much of police brutality.

Lmao

Police? If anything, it's reminiscent of school/workplace shooting videos

Yeah my school/workplace looks like an abandoned building too

Well, according to Hollywood, that's what all schools in poor neighbourhoods in the US look like...

[Averon]

I can't believe THAT is what finally got RustyNails perma banned and not the, you know, capping for fucking ISIS and other Islamic extremists over the years.

[Potato]

Hey kiddos, today we are going to take part in genocide

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cat-killing-competition-for-children-axed-after-backlash.710495/page-2#post-104393996

User Banned (Permanent): Inflammatory commentary, previously had a permanent ban reversed due to appeal, multiple past infractions since returning

 

Of all things for him to go down for… all the extremist horrid positions he took… THIS is the one that got him?

Considering the multiple users who are misusing genocide as "inflammatory commentary", this has got to sting for him.

[Averon]

It's like trans people co-opted the word "genocide" as their own. Any use of "genocide" outside their approval is somehow belittling their plight.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ramadan-2023-ot-everyone-everywhere-all-fast-at-once.700252/page-3#post-104453291

I wish I could also say it's crazy how short these threads are becoming each year, but we all know exactly why that is.

What do you mean? ERA is the most welcoming place for Muslims to be.

/s

At least Morrigan isn't a mod any more.

Well, maybe if Muslims weren't (the only ones actually) complicit in the genocide of trans people worldwide, then Reeeeesetera might be more welcoming...

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ramadan-2023-ot-everyone-everywhere-all-fast-at-once.700252/page-3#post-104453291

I wish I could also say it's crazy how short these threads are becoming each year, but we all know exactly why that is.

What do you mean? ERA is the most welcoming place for Muslims to be.

/s

At least Morrigan isn't a mod any more.

I don't understand posts like that

what evidence is there that era isn't welcoming to muslims? what posts have openly insulted them and gone un-actioned?

You see, the mods didn't automatically ban anyone who they reported for innocuous "insults"...and they didn't always let Rusty Nails special fellow his ISIS recruitment fantasies all over the forum. That pretty much amounts to genocide.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Nepenthe bitching about other posters Dunning-Kruger effect is tooooooooo rich for my blood

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cat-killing-competition-for-children-axed-after-backlash.710495/page-4#post-104403107

User Banned (1 Day): Inflammatory Commentary

Children with a history of killing animals also have a disturbingly high link to be violent offenders that commit very serious crimes when they're older and you have the audacity to tell people to grow up? Touch grass and educate yourself

Regarding to kitty genocidal RustyNails I bet Morrigan wishes she perm banned him again.

Why does all of Reeeeesetera's "science" knowledge come from poorly researched TV shows and movies?

[nobody of note]

brainchild asks for account deletion in Constructive, prompting Nepenthe to go back and answer his question from yesterday:

I don't know if I simply did not post my question in the appropriate space, or if the staff is still determining an answer to my question, or if the staff does not feel like my question is worthy of a response, but at this point I don't think it really matters.

I am requesting that my account be deleted from this forum. If I need to made this request elsewhere please let me know. Thank you.

I do have a question. I am currently developing a project that will be released on Steam and a future Nintendo platform that would be effectively impossible without the use of large language models like GPT-4 (there are some simulation and procedurally generated aspects that allow players to have open-ended interactions with the gameworld and the "entities" that inhabit it in a way that is not practically possible without AI, even for a AAA company). It also would not be possible without my artistic vision and input; there is a core message and theme that stems from my vision and is expressed artistically by me, and I have provided the procedural algorithms with my own artistic works to reference and provide a framework for how content should be procedurally generated for players. Will discussion of a project like mine be banned on this forum?

Likely not, but we don't know the scope of the project at this point to say a definitive yes or no. An artist-designed world, gameplay mechanics, and gameplay loop where the player character happens to interact with NPCs and world events that are automatically generated would likely pass muster so long as discussion remained squarely on the experience and quality of the game and not the same tired ethical arguments about AI content and artist employment.

Ultimately what we're really siphoning off is things like "Midjourney can do hands better now" or "ChatGPT got an update," and in general this restriction is only on AI content generation within the arts. AI's use in the medical field for example would not be subject to these rules and could have a free standing thread made.

I personally would prefer not to see you go. You've been an exemplary member of the community for many years and have always had something of worth to contribute to any discussions you've been apart of.

AI's ability to convincingly fake reality being off limits is going to be fascinating as deepfaking becomes increasingly more accessible and convincing; keeping it all banned to protect artists is going to make it harder to quickly brush off fakes it feels like. But at least artists will feel safe.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/variety-jonathan-majors%E2%80%99-issues-worsen-as-more-alleged-abuse-victims-cooperate-with-d-a-%E2%80%99s-office.710738/page-5#post-104435882

User Banned (Permanently): Troll Account

We are 18 days away from the trial. Will wait for the judgement. Not court of public opinion.

[Jansen]

Lol all the corporate bootlickers doing what they do is okay, but dare to call them out = ban

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-hacker-released-early-from-prison-due-to-good-behaviour-has-agreed-to-pay-10m-in-damages-maximum-of-25-30-of-his-monthly-gross-income.709925/page-14#post-104374481

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-hacker-released-early-from-prison-due-to-good-behaviour-has-agreed-to-pay-10m-in-damages-maximum-of-25-30-of-his-monthly-gross-income.709925/page-13#post-104359505

Never let nintards be mods is what I'd normally say but every mod on Reeeeeeee is terrible so w/e

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/another-wrong-place-shooting-in-north-carolina.711005/

Locked for "not every piece of bad news needs to be posted" or left open for discussion? PLACE BETS NOW

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/unrecord-official-early-gameplay-trailer-bodycam-fps.710603/page-2#post-104430923

User Banned (Permanently): Dismissing Concerns of Police Violence; History of Dismissing Racism

Looks amazing. I guess people here had problems playing, LA Noir, Max payne, True Crime, Resident Evil and a bunch of other cops games... sheesh.. and not other sick crap.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/horizon-forbidden-west-ot-western-but-without-the-cowboys-new-expansion-burning-shores.553015/page-207#post-104456996

User banned (permanent); Troll account

ngl tired of seeing useless men in this game where women are always the heroes.

[Yulwei]

I thought we were already on stage 27 of the genocide tho?? why is this bill news at all

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-house-just-passed-a-sweeping-transphobic-genocidal-womens-sports-bill.710945/page-3#post-104467169

The people calling this performative don't understand that once these clowns finish with trans people, they're coming for you next.

Please stay safe & don't be afraid to strap up.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-house-just-passed-a-sweeping-transphobic-genocidal-womens-sports-bill.710945/page-3#post-104468471

Or, just let women compete in women categories.

Your proposal just leads to cis males dominating, as it stands, trans women (and its only trans women they care about), do not have the numbers or regularly place in competitions high enough to necessitate making every competition gender-neutral. Your proposal just makes it worse for everyone

Omg I can't BREATHE. how can they post this with no irony whatsoever

Of course those trans women that went through puberty as a male have no advantage AT ALL

[HaughtyFrank]

You know what is truly poetic?

Rusty Nails getting permabanned for casually using the term genocide whereas Deepwater was permabanned for being mad at someone who casually used the term genocide

I don’t know why volunteering genocide of the poor and working class was even brought up, I guess was my point

"Volunteering genocide" is the sort of craven and hollow self serving virtue signaling that plagues this thread. Genocide has a fucking definition, and its a pretty meaningful and serious one too, for you to just be throwing it around because the monopoly man is playing chicken with the country.

You're the worst type of fucking liberal. You're a self serving wage slave with class anxiety

https://www.resetera.com/threads/biden-asks-congress-to-force-a-contract-with-no-sick-leave-on-railroad-workers-update-congress-forces-contract-without-sick-leave.658870/post-97355485

 

[Averon]

Funny how "genocide" is the hot, new word on ERA people want to stake claim to

[Greatness Gone]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-house-just-passed-a-sweeping-transphobic-genocidal-womens-sports-bill.710945/page-3#post-104468471

Or, just let women compete in women categories.

Your proposal just leads to cis males dominating, as it stands, trans women (and its only trans women they care about), do not have the numbers or regularly place in competitions high enough to necessitate making every competition gender-neutral. Your proposal just makes it worse for everyone

Omg I can't BREATHE. how can they post this with no irony whatsoever

Of course those trans women that went through puberty as a male have no advantage AT ALL

(Image removed from quote.)

6 foot 2 women with wide shoulders exist chud, are we supposed to ban them too? 

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-house-just-passed-a-sweeping-transphobic-genocidal-womens-sports-bill.710945/page-3#post-104468471

Or, just let women compete in women categories.

Your proposal just leads to cis males dominating, as it stands, trans women (and its only trans women they care about), do not have the numbers or regularly place in competitions high enough to necessitate making every competition gender-neutral. Your proposal just makes it worse for everyone

Omg I can't BREATHE. how can they post this with no irony whatsoever

Of course those trans women that went through puberty as a male have no advantage AT ALL

(Image removed from quote.)

This person isn't quite up to date yet. The most progressive stance is now to say that even if trans-women were to dominate every women's sport we should celebrate it because they're women.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-house-just-passed-a-sweeping-transphobic-genocidal-womens-sports-bill.710945/page-3#post-104468471

Or, just let women compete in women categories.

Your proposal just leads to cis males dominating, as it stands, trans women (and its only trans women they care about), do not have the numbers or regularly place in competitions high enough to necessitate making every competition gender-neutral. Your proposal just makes it worse for everyone

Omg I can't BREATHE. how can they post this with no irony whatsoever

Of course those trans women that went through puberty as a male have no advantage AT ALL

(Image removed from quote.)

6 foot 2 women with wide shoulders exist chud, are we supposed to ban them too? 

[NekoFever]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-house-just-passed-a-sweeping-transphobic-genocidal-womens-sports-bill.710945/page-3#post-104468471

Or, just let women compete in women categories.

Your proposal just leads to cis males dominating, as it stands, trans women (and its only trans women they care about), do not have the numbers or regularly place in competitions high enough to necessitate making every competition gender-neutral. Your proposal just makes it worse for everyone

Omg I can't BREATHE. how can they post this with no irony whatsoever

Of course those trans women that went through puberty as a male have no advantage AT ALL

(Image removed from quote.)

It’s layers of stupid, because that post is in response to a proposal that we get rid of segregating sports by sex in favour of height and weight classes.

Newsflash: even sports that have weight classes still don’t pit men against women.

[Propagandhim]

And it's not just about weight and height.  Lionel Messi is a small man, but no woman competes at a level in the same stratosphere as him in terms of skill and physicality in the game of soccer and nor will they ever.    There's something more to it.   

[Propagandhim]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/another-wrong-place-shooting-in-north-carolina.711005/

Locked for "not every piece of bad news needs to be posted" or left open for discussion? PLACE BETS NOW

I'm tired. I'm so tired.

Go to bed then

[Nintex]

The irony is that nepnep and friends chased away most of the actual artists on ResetEra.

[BIONIC]

The irony is that nepnep and friends chased away most of the actual artists on ResetEra.

If you don’t draw Daffy Duck fucking Porky Pig are you even an artist?

[HaughtyFrank]

I fail to see how this is "genocidal" in any form. So trans women can't participate in women's sports... No one is out there rounding trans women up and killing them, fitting the actual meaning of genocidal.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-house-just-passed-a-sweeping-transphobic-genocidal-womens-sports-bill.710945/post-104473079

 

that’s the next step

Genocides are a process, they don't start off with the killing, they start with a very focused effort to dehumanize and "other" an undesired group.

A good read on this is the ten stages of genocide on Wikipedia

A) genocidal in this case means erasing them from sports completely.
B) even if that weren't the case, a literal genocide attempt is happening in broad daylight against trans folk so maybe this isn't the best time to be arguing about definitions
C) also, fuck off

The site is not required to use the legal definition of a term because it is not a court of law.

[Averon]

"Genocide" rhetoric has completely taken over the discussion of trans issues online...and it's not just on ERA. It makes it extremely difficult for people to take trans plight seriously when you scream in their face they are on the 8th step of a 10-step genocide plan.

[Propagandhim]

"We're not required to have honest standards when it comes to using words because we're Resetera"

[BIONIC]

"We're not required to have honest standards when it comes to using words because we're Resetera"

C) Also, fuck off.

[Propagandhim]

Genocide is a process.  You could say, we're all being genocided right now.  I'm on the genocide spectrum, so to speak.

[BIONIC]

The site is not required to use the legal definition of a term because it is not a court of law.

I think words are important and when misused you dilute their meaning.

God, FINALLY someone reasonable thank y…

However, in this case, the word genocide is correct since:…

[Jansen]

And it's not just about weight and height.  Lionel Messi is a small man, but no woman competes at a level in the same stratosphere as him in terms of skill and physicality in the game of soccer and nor will they ever.    There's something more to it.   

Sorry but reee says testosterone blockers is all that is necessary to even the playing field

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-house-just-passed-a-sweeping-transphobic-genocidal-womens-sports-bill.710945/page-4#post-104475980

I smell an alt-account. Which Reeetrans that requested account closure could this be?

[HaughtyFrank]

Isn't it funny how when asked about the genocide of the Uighurs people will quickly point to all sorts of evidence like photographs, testimonies, articles etc.

Meanwhile the response here is "shut up"

Totally the same thing though.

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-house-just-passed-a-sweeping-transphobic-genocidal-womens-sports-bill.710945/page-4#post-104475980

I smell an alt-account. Which Reeetrans that requested account closure could this be?

Jessi77

[Greatness Gone]

Soyny criticism thread LOCKED at 7 pages despite letting the Microsoft one run for 23.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sonys-output-is-seriously-disappointing-this-generation.711068/page-7

 

[Greatness Gone]

even had a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow insomniac dev there laughing like sony didn't just spend the last 2.5 years releasing low effort crossgen sequels and remasters and utter drivel like returnal and sackboy.

FF16 is the only PS5 exclusive that matters so far. 

[Boredfrom]

Returnal is fucking awesome and is not crossgen.

[Taco Bell Tower]

The irony is that nepnep and friends chased away most of the actual artists on ResetEra.

If you don’t draw Daffy Duck fucking Porky Pig are you even an artist?

[Propagandhim]

Returnal sounds too close to "anal".  Returnal.  Yeah, returnal to my asshole.  Imagine being so cisgay you'd buy a game thats about going into buttholes.  Sony really needs to work on their game design ideas man because I'm not down with this butt shit they're always pushing

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-house-just-passed-a-sweeping-transphobic-genocidal-womens-sports-bill.710945/page-4#post-104475980

I smell an alt-account. Which Reeetrans that requested account closure could this be?

Jessi77

Joined
Mar 14, 2023

[TacoWallace]

Returnal is fucking awesome and is not crossgen.

It is barely awesome drivel. Still awesome, but when roguelike nonsense is your highlight after 2.5 years I'm not sure that's something to be proud about.

Housemarque was cooler when they made twin-stick arcade shooters.

And fuck Sony for paying for a week of exclusivity on the Street Fighter 6 demo.

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

1 - returnal is trash
2 - naming an alt as "me again" is 

[Uncle]

Funny how "genocide" is the hot, new word on ERA people want to stake claim to

there have been so many over the years!

problematic
toxic
bad faith
gaslighting
JAQing off
denying her truth
believe women
lived experience