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Daffy Duck

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48240 on: April 21, 2023, 09:01:19 AM »
SeaSilver still alive in the latest genocide thread, what a champion.

What we need to know is which mod is transphobic and is letting that one slide.

They’re all probably so shook with rage they can’t operate a keyboard right now to press the buttons

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« Reply #48241 on: April 21, 2023, 09:15:59 AM »
There is possibly a risky post to be made about how the flimsy genocide criteria is easily applicable to the terf side of…whatever this is. That I used terf to describe the group has me participating in stages 1, 2, 4, and 6! Halfway to becoming Themmler!

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« Reply #48242 on: April 21, 2023, 09:16:10 AM »
SeaSilver still alive in the latest genocide thread, what a champion.

What we need to know is which mod is transphobic and is letting that one slide.

Nooo, that’s in agreement there. They want to use them as a lightning rod and a Potemkin poster they point to, “See! We don’t ban dissenters!”

And then quietly go back in a week and perm them after letting TransEra run a metaphorical train on their ass.

It’s telling though they found time to ban the poster of Jewish dissent.

 :thinking :thinking

"We'll show you genocide"

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« Reply #48243 on: April 21, 2023, 09:18:43 AM »
Meanwhile Morrigan has sent a strongly worded email to Nep Nep about the inclusion of Palestinians in her definition of genocide victims. But really Nep if you would just read Varg’s manifesto I sent you I think you’d see things very differently

paprikastaude

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« Reply #48244 on: April 21, 2023, 09:20:57 AM »
I wonder what would happen if Raphael Lemkin was alive and elaborated on the actual definition of genocide. resetti-types would probably try to screech him down for being white and not educated enough.

paprikastaude

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« Reply #48245 on: April 21, 2023, 09:27:55 AM »
they banned all talk on AI ? :dead :dead

Voldemord made them open a can of worms that's not gonna see an end.
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« Reply #48246 on: April 21, 2023, 09:32:27 AM »
I wonder if this escalation of rhetorical alarm inside the activist Trans community is being driven by any explicit rhetorical threats or if this is just the natural course that extremely online YA activism takes in a the world of algorithmically driven information...

Cauliflower Of Love

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« Reply #48247 on: April 21, 2023, 09:36:06 AM »
for once i can get behind marrecs transphobia

marrec

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« Reply #48248 on: April 21, 2023, 09:36:06 AM »
There is possibly a risky post to be made about how the flimsy genocide criteria is easily applicable to the terf side of…whatever this is. That I used terf to describe the group has me participating in stages 1, 2, 4, and 6! Halfway to becoming Themmler!

I mean, the trans genocide hyperbole mirrors the hysterical cries of Replacement Theory. The difference being that people on the extreme right sometimes forget that Trans as a wedge issue only works as a wedge if Trans people actually exist.

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« Reply #48249 on: April 21, 2023, 09:38:31 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ramadan-2023-ot-everyone-everywhere-all-fast-at-once.700252/page-3#post-104453291

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I wish I could also say it's crazy how short these threads are becoming each year, but we all know exactly why that is.
What do you mean? ERA is the most welcoming place for Muslims to be.

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At least Morrigan isn't a mod any more.

wait, conflict and segregation are the result of an ideology solely focused on how the identity of your own group of people is more special than others?  :titus

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« Reply #48250 on: April 21, 2023, 10:25:15 AM »
There is possibly a risky post to be made about how the flimsy genocide criteria is easily applicable to the terf side of…whatever this is. That I used terf to describe the group has me participating in stages 1, 2, 4, and 6! Halfway to becoming Themmler!

I mean, the trans genocide hyperbole mirrors the hysterical cries of Replacement Theory. The difference being that people on the extreme right sometimes forget that Trans as a wedge issue only works as a wedge if Trans people actually exist.

Neo-Nazis must feel so silly right now. Who knew that "wow, are you gatekeeping genocide?", "We're not a court of law, we don't need to perfectly define genocide" and "Shut up" were so effective

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« Reply #48251 on: April 21, 2023, 10:42:59 AM »
they banned all talk on AI ? :dead :dead

Voldemord made them open a can of worms that's not gonna see an end.

Remember when B-dubs thought he was in charge and said Hogwarts would be the last call for a banned topic they would entertain?
 :girlaff

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48252 on: April 21, 2023, 11:17:50 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-house-just-passed-a-sweeping-transphobic-genocidal-womens-sports-bill.710945/page-6#post-104490491

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Ask yourself this, what is the goal of this legislation, beyond scoring political points for hardcore conservative activists? If you think it's meant to deliberate exclude and isolate a group of people from participating with the rest of the population, what do you think will come next?
I agree that this kind of legislation is harmful and is certainly meant to exclude, divide, and isolate. Anything that gets the right worked up about trans people is awful because it will almost certainly have secondary effects. This kind of hate is really dangerous for trans people. It results in real violence. I understand nothing happens in a vacuum.

That said, this legislation has nothing to do with genocide. I don't think it will lead to actual genocide of any kind. The link that ArrogantBastard provided lists 5 concrete things defining genocide, none of which are happening here, nor will likely happen as a result. It still seems like pure hyperbole to me.

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go fuck yourself, dipshit.
That's a solid argument my friend! 👍🏼 Your reply, and others like it, remind me that I should have followed my instinct and just ignored my irritation about the word genocide.

You people are definitely right about one thing: quibbling over word choice is totally trivial and besides the point when it's weighed against the real problems and hatred experienced by trans people. I get that. I'm not a troll. I am sorry for the interruption to your thread. But really, I still think it's always helpful to be able to have civil discourse. It's kind of a shame it seems that's not possible, even on a pretty well regulated space like this forum.[/quopte]
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48253 on: April 21, 2023, 11:20:03 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/nba-2023-playoffs-ot-cali-4-nia-teamin.708944/page-72#post-104401295

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He does that spastic I’m out of control and I’m not athletic thing a lot. It’s part of his game. It works sometimes but it does have backfire consequences.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48254 on: April 21, 2023, 11:21:36 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/overwatch-2-ot-heroes-never-die-for-a-price.638466/page-586#post-104413094

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48255 on: April 21, 2023, 11:27:39 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-house-just-passed-a-sweeping-transphobic-genocidal-womens-sports-bill.710945/page-6#post-104490491

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Ask yourself this, what is the goal of this legislation, beyond scoring political points for hardcore conservative activists? If you think it's meant to deliberate exclude and isolate a group of people from participating with the rest of the population, what do you think will come next?
I agree that this kind of legislation is harmful and is certainly meant to exclude, divide, and isolate. Anything that gets the right worked up about trans people is awful because it will almost certainly have secondary effects. This kind of hate is really dangerous for trans people. It results in real violence. I understand nothing happens in a vacuum.

That said, this legislation has nothing to do with genocide. I don't think it will lead to actual genocide of any kind. The link that ArrogantBastard provided lists 5 concrete things defining genocide, none of which are happening here, nor will likely happen as a result. It still seems like pure hyperbole to me.

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go fuck yourself, dipshit.
That's a solid argument my friend! 👍🏼 Your reply, and others like it, remind me that I should have followed my instinct and just ignored my irritation about the word genocide.

You people are definitely right about one thing: quibbling over word choice is totally trivial and besides the point when it's weighed against the real problems and hatred experienced by trans people. I get that. I'm not a troll. I am sorry for the interruption to your thread. But really, I still think it's always helpful to be able to have civil discourse. It's kind of a shame it seems that's not possible, even on a pretty well regulated space like this forum.

Didn’t even wait a week later. But then, FrauNepNep is not exactly a bastion of patience.

The mistake SeaSilver made was expecting that not having been immediately banned, that they could discuss the matter.

 :bolo :ufup

They were giving you the opportunity to grovel, and only grovel, for forgiveness. Not that it would have possibly forestalled a ban, but they were hoping for more beatings before the likely ban.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48256 on: April 21, 2023, 11:45:13 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/nba-2023-playoffs-ot-cali-4-nia-teamin.708944/page-72#post-104401295

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He does that spastic I’m out of control and I’m not athletic thing a lot. It’s part of his game. It works sometimes but it does have backfire consequences.

This is a niche thread.  There isn't an automated system to ban these people, some sad goober basketball fan is actually hitting the report button for the word "Spastic".  And you can't use the excuse that "Here in the UK, spastic actually is worse than the R word" or whatever because it's the NBA.  It's just a forum culture of the worst tattle-tales on earth.  :lol

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« Reply #48257 on: April 21, 2023, 12:08:02 PM »
Edit: You know, I'm probably wrong about that

Top of the page propagandhim being wrong

You do make some interesting points about black crime statistics though.

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« Reply #48258 on: April 21, 2023, 12:31:46 PM »
 :fbm

every time


I cannot help it if I was born with the wrong brain and body and I've had to live with Compulsive Ubiquitous Modifying Spectrum aka CUMS disorder.  I can't help but constantly poast edit and modify and you dickheads are using my CUMS against me.   We're like the Jews in Dachau; the first step of genocide is Identification - we're forced to have the CUMS stain on our clothes like the Jewish star was put on the clothes of Jews.  The next step?  Total.  fucking.  annihilation. 

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« Reply #48259 on: April 21, 2023, 12:32:45 PM »
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The thing that's ridiculous is witnessing the direct and targeted erasure of a minority and arguing with them about definitions you have a primary school understanding of, because you've managed to crawl so far inside your own ass that you've convinced yourself anyone cares whether you engage with a discussion that doesn't affect you and isn't about you.

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Yet another thread about institutional threats to trans people's lives successfully derailed. I'm sure folks on other forums elsewhere are rubbing their hands with glee.

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This is a forum, so yeah I thought I could chat with people. I've been perfectly polite and stated what I thought was a pretty benign opinion, that using the word "genocide" in this context is hyperbole. I read what other people posted, about how they think this could be a slippery slope to genocidal ideology, but I don't agree. I thought it was okay to civilly disagree in a discussion?

I've been met with what I consider to be completely off-of-bounds replies, e.g. "shut the fuck up". I'm surprised some of them don't garner moderator warnings.

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Poor you.

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It's not hyperbole. It is a concentrated effort to kill and harm trans folks. This is genocide.

You're surprised that telling an oppressed group that is a target of genocide tells you to "shut the fuck up" when downplaying said genocide doesn't result in some sort of warning? We shouldn't tell oppressed folks how to feel and if concern trolling about semantics, "shut the fuck up" is a perfectly fine response.

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Genocide, much like we are using now, you fucking idiot.

Check my posts, I’ve been calling this a genocide for a minute. High time you cis jerks recognize it.

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I sincerely hope whatever void you have in your life is filled one day, so that you can look back on your time trolling topics like this with a measure of shame.

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For sure. Sometimes there's a catharsis in having a catalyst for venting though. Having to spend an inordinate amount of time being polite and detailed about these things it's nice when someone hands the ability to be a little more, uh, blunt about it all on a silver platter.

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I preceded it all with that but when thousands of words are spent breaking my back bending over to explain things to cis people in a measured manner, spending four to tell an idiot to shut the fuck up is a bit of a release.

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like, good? what on earth made you think we wanted you to "join this discussion" in the first place?

go fuck yourself, dipshit.

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God I love you.

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You are an ignorant person who is proudly proclaiming their ignorance.

The "genocide" wording was explained to you by multiple people but you chose to ignore it.

:mouf :lawd :sicko :rash

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I sincerely hope whatever void you have in your life is filled one day, so that you can look back on your time trolling topics like this with a measure of shame.
Just like you did with CyberPunk 2077 and Avatar, two very problematic according to Ree :marimo

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48260 on: April 21, 2023, 12:42:02 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/overwatch-2-ot-heroes-never-die-for-a-price.638466/page-586#post-104413094

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Wait, I thought they decided not to ban the word cunt ???

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« Reply #48261 on: April 21, 2023, 12:58:09 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/nba-2023-playoffs-ot-cali-4-nia-teamin.708944/page-72#post-104401295

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He does that spastic I’m out of control and I’m not athletic thing a lot. It’s part of his game. It works sometimes but it does have backfire consequences.

This is a niche thread.  There isn't an automated system to ban these people, some sad goober basketball fan is actually hitting the report button for the word "Spastic".  And you can't use the excuse that "Here in the UK, spastic actually is worse than the R word" or whatever because it's the NBA.  It's just a forum culture of the worst tattle-tales on earth.  :lol

I think they're extra sensitive after everyone accused them of enforcing American norms when they banned the word 'cunt'.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48262 on: April 21, 2023, 01:14:50 PM »
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Check my posts, I’ve been calling this a genocide for a minute.

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« Reply #48263 on: April 21, 2023, 01:16:58 PM »
Someone get SeaSilver in here. We need a genocide expert.

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« Reply #48264 on: April 21, 2023, 01:41:50 PM »
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Check my posts, I’ve been calling this a genocide for a minute.

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Can we please find out who has been calling this a genocide for the longest we need to know how to accurately allocate virtue points.

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« Reply #48265 on: April 21, 2023, 01:45:40 PM »
Just don't go too far back in the post history, because then you'll be at the "lol trannysurprise tab in my browser" pictures.  You want to go back just far enough to hit the sweet spot.

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48266 on: April 21, 2023, 01:53:45 PM »
trans era was like how do we win this nazi oppression olympics?



genocide!

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48267 on: April 21, 2023, 02:03:00 PM »
Quote from: Android Sophia
Here is "Imposing measures intended to prevent births within a group" as well as "Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.."

Okay there's a lot of... stretching of the truth going on in this thread, but within all of this you can start to glean the internal motivations behind the hyperbolic nonsense.

Android Sophia is linking to an article on the Florida Gender Affirming Care Ban, calling it "Imposing measures intended to prevent births within a group".

Which leads me to believe that, at least for Android Sophia, a Trans person isn't "born" until they receive gender affirming care? At what point does a Trans person become Trans according to Android Sophia?

This isn't pedantry, this is essential to understanding issues surrounding Trans people. Can someone be Trans without access to "gender affirming care"?

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« Reply #48268 on: April 21, 2023, 02:14:34 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/found-out-my-partner-has-been-cheating%E2%80%A6.662293/page-17#post-104409671
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I am curious as to whether you are white OP and your wife is a woman of color? If so I'd actually suggest both of you take time to maybe take an Ethnic Studies course at a local college to better understand some of the societal and cultural issues at play here.

Not implying or blaming anyone here, just a lot of the issues you've described sound similar to ones I've witnessed in many white guy + woman of color relationships.
NepNep, get this racist outta here :bolo

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« Reply #48269 on: April 21, 2023, 03:03:09 PM »
Quote from: Android Sophia
Here is "Imposing measures intended to prevent births within a group" as well as "Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.."

Okay there's a lot of... stretching of the truth going on in this thread, but within all of this you can start to glean the internal motivations behind the hyperbolic nonsense.

Android Sophia is linking to an article on the Florida Gender Affirming Care Ban, calling it "Imposing measures intended to prevent births within a group".

Which leads me to believe that, at least for Android Sophia, a Trans person isn't "born" until they receive gender affirming care? At what point does a Trans person become Trans according to Android Sophia?

This isn't pedantry, this is essential to understanding issues surrounding Trans people. Can someone be Trans without access to "gender affirming care"?

I already pointed out that the closest to a real genocide they get is mass sterilization from their own doctors, but it didn't get nearly as many likes as I think it deserved, so what's even the point of it all  :fbm

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« Reply #48270 on: April 21, 2023, 03:04:53 PM »
To expand:

Trans people, like gay people, are born without any specifically or easily identifiable traits and from all ethnic and political populations.

That is, of course, unless you can "become" Trans... which has implications I'm sure Trans folk don't want to consider.

So, given there is no specific ethnic or political population that can be targeted, true Trans genocide can never be achieved. We've talked about this already.

All of this makes me wonder how Trans activists viewed gay rights prior to stonewall. Was the persistent lack of social recognition and rights affirmation experienced by gay people up until very recently an organized campaign of gay genocide? Clearly there was (and still is) violence perpetrated against gay people specifically because of their sexual identity, but that is more accurately defined as bigotry rather than genocide.

To get to the point instead of meandering around the edges:

Are Trans activists trying to rebrand social bigotry as genocide? In that case, are all forms of social bigotry just genocide?

I'm going to ask a silly question that is going to sound bad but I'm asking it as a rhetorical device that is attempting to reframe the idea of Trans genocide, I am well aware that Trans people are discriminated against daily and that comparing the struggles of a Trans person to any other marginalized community is going to be fraught with peril:

Is mandatory Physical Education in school Fat genocide?

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Here is "Imposing measures intended to prevent births within a group" as well as "Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.."

Okay there's a lot of... stretching of the truth going on in this thread, but within all of this you can start to glean the internal motivations behind the hyperbolic nonsense.

Android Sophia is linking to an article on the Florida Gender Affirming Care Ban, calling it "Imposing measures intended to prevent births within a group".

Which leads me to believe that, at least for Android Sophia, a Trans person isn't "born" until they receive gender affirming care? At what point does a Trans person become Trans according to Android Sophia?

This isn't pedantry, this is essential to understanding issues surrounding Trans people. Can someone be Trans without access to "gender affirming care"?

I already pointed out that the closest to a real genocide they get is mass sterilization from their own doctors, but it didn't get nearly as many likes as I think it deserved, so what's even the point of it all  :fbm

Is not getting likes on posts Pogi genocide?


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« Reply #48271 on: April 21, 2023, 03:09:31 PM »
Is not getting likes on posts Pogi genocide?

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« Reply #48272 on: April 21, 2023, 03:09:41 PM »
well and the other half of that is "forcibly transferring children of the group to another group," by which I assume she means forcing trans people to be...cis...?

like by not affirming them you are making them good little cis people like everyone else, making sure they are no longer a part of their special minority, thus robbing that minority of its youth and its future

but the implication is that you can make trans people into cis people, rather than what we've always been told, that trans people are trans now and forever, when you suddenly discover you are trans it's because you were always trans and your egg has been cracked, and people who later detransition were just always mistaken and were no true transmen to begin with
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« Reply #48273 on: April 21, 2023, 03:12:14 PM »
well and the other half of that is "forcibly transferring children of the group to another group," by which I assume she means forcing trans people to be...cis...?

like by not affirming them you are making them good little cis people like everyone else, making sure they are no longer a part of their special minority, thus robbing that minority of its youth and its future

but the implication is that you can make trans people into cis people, rather than what we've always been told, that trans people are trans now and forever, when you suddenly discover you are trans it's because you were always trans and your egg has been cracked, and people who later detransition were just always mistaken and were no true transmen to begin with

I think that part can be more easily understood to mean removing Trans kids who receive gender affirming care from their parents... which is still questionable since it's very likely that their parents aren't Trans... unless being open to your child receiving gender affirming care makes you Trans? I dunno it doesn't fit either way lol

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« Reply #48274 on: April 21, 2023, 03:13:03 PM »
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I am curious as to whether you are white OP and your wife is a woman of color? If so I'd actually suggest both of you take time to maybe take an Ethnic Studies course at a local college to better understand some of the societal and cultural issues at play here.

Not implying or blaming anyone here, just a lot of the issues you've described sound similar to ones I've witnessed in many white guy + woman of color relationships.
NepNep, get this racist outta here :bolo

As a representative of the white guy + woman of color relationship grouping... WTF?

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« Reply #48275 on: April 21, 2023, 03:18:23 PM »
More and more, it seems like the "can't live as self" is the sticking point for why this is a genocide.  "I am a woman, but I'm being forced to live as a man, which means I have been erased as a trans person and thus a trans person has died whether I physically still exist or not".  While the dynamic is obviously MUCH different, Marrec is right in the sense this is identical on the surface to replacement theory, even if trans people undoubtedly ARE a marginalized group.

But hiding who you are, as much as it sucks, is not a new thing for many groups nor does it constitute genocide on its own.  There are still parts of the country where you can't admit to being Jewish, but no sane person would say there's currently a Jewish genocide going on in America.  Hell, I don't even think people were saying that about Muslims post-9/11 (correct me if I'm wrong) and there was some absolutely vile stuff being proposed both in government and by your nice old neighbor down the street, much worse than what's going on for Trans people now. 

It's funny because I remember there was some point of contention between black and jewish people on a small "oppression olympics" level that jewish people were capable of "passing" and so they didn't have it as bad, an argument that made it into Spike Lee's BlacKkKlansman.  Trans people have completely leap-frogged that argument and now non-trans people that are incapable of "passing" can't say anything because of how vicious the discourse has gotten.

The other thing that apparently constitutes this as a genocide is the lack of gender-affirming care.  Again, this sucks, but genocide?  Is there a genocide going on against depressed people too poor to afford a therapist/medication?  Hell, you could extend this to everything medical or unobtainable basic human rights like food, but as much as this group wants free healthcare and the death of capitalism, I've never heard any of them refer to the lack of it as a genocide for the general populace.  There have been no genocides in the past that were predicated on the idea of higher than neutral (food, clothing, shelter) human rights being denied.  EDIT: Hell, even the ones that HAVE like the Great Leap Forward, people still argue whether they fit the definition of genocide or not (It was).

And I don't know if they realize how much the sports argument is a losing position without aggressive education on the issue that most people don't have or want to have, and the only reason it hasn't cost dems electorally is people frankly don't give a shit about women's sports, certainly not enough to offset the independent disgust over how much of a conspiracy-fueled dumpster fire the GOP has become.

Maybe they're right and this is all a prelude to something worse, and the separating kids thing is fucked if true (I haven't looked into it), but for now it just seems needlessly alarmist that will undoubtedly damage the cause.
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« Reply #48276 on: April 21, 2023, 03:20:22 PM »

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« Reply #48277 on: April 21, 2023, 03:25:09 PM »
well and the other half of that is "forcibly transferring children of the group to another group," by which I assume she means forcing trans people to be...cis...?

like by not affirming them you are making them good little cis people like everyone else, making sure they are no longer a part of their special minority, thus robbing that minority of its youth and its future

but the implication is that you can make trans people into cis people, rather than what we've always been told, that trans people are trans now and forever, when you suddenly discover you are trans it's because you were always trans and your egg has been cracked, and people who later detransition were just always mistaken and were no true transmen to begin with

I think that part can be more easily understood to mean removing Trans kids who receive gender affirming care from their parents... which is still questionable since it's very likely that their parents aren't Trans... unless being open to your child receiving gender affirming care makes you Trans? I dunno it doesn't fit either way lol

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« Reply #48278 on: April 21, 2023, 03:48:10 PM »
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I sincerely hope whatever void you have in your life is filled one day, so that you can look back on your time trolling topics like this with a measure of shame.
Just like you did with CyberPunk 2077 and Avatar, two very problematic according to Ree :marimo

Oh this bitch. As antagonistic as those other posts are, this condescending passive-aggressive play at beneficence is nauseating. Who has the ‘void’ Kaijiu, the poster asking mildly for the hyperbole to be dialed back or the hate filled, frothing posts in reply to their transgression of the groupthink?

If you happen to read Dubs, THIS is an example of gaslighting. A retroactive retelling of a poster’s demeanor that somehow they were the rage monster that TransEra actually played out as being.

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« Reply #48279 on: April 21, 2023, 04:06:12 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/trailer-for-jada-pinkett-smiths-queen-cleopatra-documentary-film-courts-controversy.708728/page-7

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I don't want to be going on and on, but the article has rather pissed me off actually. Like, for all the talk at the end of wanting to "boldly create a world in which we can explore our historical figures without fearing the complexity that comes with their depiction.", she doesn't seem to actually want Cleopatra to be anything but a shallow inspirational role model figure. She takes umbrage with her being depicted somewhat negatively in Rome, the TV series, but that series also depicted Mark Anthony as a sleazeball, and Octavian as a straight up sociopath, so her problem seems to be that they depicted Cleopatra as anything but a perfect powerful queen to put on postcards with inspiration Hallmark messages.

"Live every day like it's your last." - Cleopatra, probab

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« Reply #48280 on: April 21, 2023, 04:15:09 PM »
Cunting Eden is back, baby:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/outrage-as-florida-republicans-pass-fascist-bill-to-remove-trans-kids-from-parents%E2%80%99-custody.711416/

Straight into genocide.

He is probably sad they reduced the amount of A.I. threads for him to bitch about.

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« Reply #48281 on: April 21, 2023, 04:42:22 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/outrage-as-florida-republicans-pass-fascist-bill-to-remove-trans-kids-from-parents%E2%80%99-custody.711416/#post-104523551
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After the first parents die trying to protect their children from the government, they'll outlaw any non-conformist from owning guns, and the rest of them, no matter how much they go on and on about the "left coming for your guns", will happily go right along with it.

This is the kind of shit that will cause fighting in the streets, not stolen elections or whatever the fuck they're on about this week.
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« Reply #48282 on: April 21, 2023, 04:51:44 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/outrage-as-florida-republicans-pass-fascist-bill-to-remove-trans-kids-from-parents’-custody.711416/page-3#post-104525108

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UN should rank Florida as one of the worst place to be in as a child and LGBTQI+.

Very sheltered and ignorant individuals.
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« Reply #48283 on: April 21, 2023, 04:59:55 PM »
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« Reply #48284 on: April 21, 2023, 05:27:06 PM »
Cunting Eden is back, baby:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/outrage-as-florida-republicans-pass-fascist-bill-to-remove-trans-kids-from-parents%E2%80%99-custody.711416/

Straight into genocide.

He is probably sad they reduced the amount of A.I. threads for him to bitch about.

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But don't call this genocide that's mean to the fascists. /s

and so now they will endlessly dunk on the two banned people in the other thread who dared to question whether this really constitutes a genocide

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« Reply #48285 on: April 21, 2023, 05:35:06 PM »
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But don't call this genocide that's mean to the fascists. /s

and so now they will endlessly dunk on the two banned people in the other thread who dared to question whether this really constitutes a genocide

songs will be written, legends will be spun of That Time Someone Proved Era Has Traitors In Its Midst And Isn't Left Enough Yet

And already added with the fanfiction that the issue they took with it was that it's "mean to the fascists" and not that it's an inappropriate use of a term that carries a lot of weight

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« Reply #48286 on: April 21, 2023, 05:48:15 PM »
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Jez getting clapped back publicly by his boss like that lmao

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/microsoft-hi-fi-rush-was-a-break-out-hit-for-us-and-our-players-in-all-key-measurements-and-expectations.711314/page-2#post-104509475

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« Reply #48287 on: April 21, 2023, 05:51:02 PM »
a hit dog hollers  :kermit
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« Reply #48288 on: April 21, 2023, 06:13:49 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/outrage-as-florida-republicans-pass-fascist-bill-to-remove-trans-kids-from-parents’-custody.711416/page-3#post-104525108

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UN should rank Florida as one of the worst place to be in as a child and LGBTQI+.

Very sheltered and ignorant individuals.



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Hi-Fi RUSH was a break out hit for us and our players in all key measurements and expectations. We couldn’t be happier with what the team at Tango Gameworks delivered with this surprise release.
It just shows the incredible momentum for Xbox in 2023, once again making this year the biggest year for Xbox.
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« Reply #48289 on: April 21, 2023, 06:17:34 PM »
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Jez getting clapped back publicly by his boss like that lmao

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/microsoft-hi-fi-rush-was-a-break-out-hit-for-us-and-our-players-in-all-key-measurements-and-expectations.711314/page-2#post-104509475
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This thread and the other one have run their course.
Why can't the manchildren at Ree have normal discussions?

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« Reply #48290 on: April 21, 2023, 06:17:51 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-set-pics-from-ghostbusters-sequel-reveal-paul-rudd-in-possible-flight-suit-and-an-unannounced-returning-character-spoilers.711446/

You think the Ghostbuster are wearing "flight suits"? Tell me you're sheltered and privileged without telling me.
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« Reply #48291 on: April 21, 2023, 06:17:54 PM »

https://www.resetera.com/threads/unrecord-official-early-gameplay-trailer-bodycam-fps.710603/page-6#post-104501435


This thread is just soooooo US-centric that I feel like I’m actually turning into a cheeseburger and fries being attacked by an eagle reading it.
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« Reply #48292 on: April 21, 2023, 06:23:09 PM »
Microsoft apart from the surprise release of Hi-Fi Rush also couldn't be happier with the surprise departure of Shinji Mikami.
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« Reply #48293 on: April 21, 2023, 06:24:38 PM »
To get to the point instead of meandering around the edges:

Are Trans activists trying to rebrand social bigotry as genocide? In that case, are all forms of social bigotry just genocide?

I'm going to ask a silly question that is going to sound bad but I'm asking it as a rhetorical device that is attempting to reframe the idea of Trans genocide, I am well aware that Trans people are discriminated against daily and that comparing the struggles of a Trans person to any other marginalized community is going to be fraught with peril:

Is mandatory Physical Education in school Fat genocide?
Yes, of course. Are you not reading Fat Liberation Twitter because you're a fascist or just because too many of them are trans?

I'm not making a joke (well, okay, not anymore than I always do), I'm simply pointing to all the rhetoric, "theory" and one of the central key components of this entire "ideology" that underlies all this: anything you don't like is deliberate violence against you.

All the rest is simply, to put in terms they'd pretend to understand, the superstructure built on that base. Misgendering? Violence. Thinking you aren't the sex you claim to be no matter how much you insist it's true in your own mind? Genocide. Telling you to lose some weight or you'll have health problems? Eugenics. Saying that reducing the cost to produce things is a general good, especially for the poor? Capitalism, colonialism and white supremacy combined with a rejection of the intrinsic value of art.

edit: Remember, they consider there to be nothing in existence but political power. Everything you do, all your choices down to the words you use, is an act of political power. And what is political power? (You know this since you all know the state is illegitimate.) Violence.
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« Reply #48294 on: April 21, 2023, 06:26:51 PM »
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Jez getting clapped back publicly by his boss like that lmao

 :thinking

https://www.resetera.com/threads/microsoft-hi-fi-rush-was-a-break-out-hit-for-us-and-our-players-in-all-key-measurements-and-expectations.711314/page-2#post-104509475
NinjaScooter regularly posts wrongthink and calls out the double standards on display in the gaming side without getting banned. This was an excuse to finally do it.

Don't know why he's still so addicted to posting there.


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« Reply #48296 on: April 21, 2023, 06:47:23 PM »
To get to the point instead of meandering around the edges:

Are Trans activists trying to rebrand social bigotry as genocide? In that case, are all forms of social bigotry just genocide?

I'm going to ask a silly question that is going to sound bad but I'm asking it as a rhetorical device that is attempting to reframe the idea of Trans genocide, I am well aware that Trans people are discriminated against daily and that comparing the struggles of a Trans person to any other marginalized community is going to be fraught with peril:

Is mandatory Physical Education in school Fat genocide?
Yes, of course. Are you not reading Fat Liberation Twitter because you're a fascist or just because too many of them are trans?

I'm not making a joke (well, okay, not anymore than I always do), I'm simply pointing to all the rhetoric, "theory" and one of the central key components of this entire "ideology" that underlies all this: anything you don't like is deliberate violence against you.

All the rest is simply, to put in terms they'd pretend to understand, the superstructure built on that base. Misgendering? Violence. Thinking you aren't the sex you claim to be no matter how much you insist it's true in your own mind? Genocide. Telling you to lose some weight or you'll have health problems? Eugenics. Saying that reducing the cost to produce things is a general good, especially for the poor? Capitalism, colonialism and white supremacy combined with a rejection of the intrinsic value of art.

edit: Remember, they consider there to be nothing in existence but political power. Everything you do, all your choices down to the words you use, is an act of political power. And what is political power? (You know this since you all know the state is illegitimate.) Violence.

When everything is genocide then nothing is genocide

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« Reply #48298 on: April 21, 2023, 06:52:29 PM »
it is very telling that they'll go on and on about the trans genocide (did you know we're on the 8th step?), but no one is bold enough yet to claim that we are seeing a trans Holocaust
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« Reply #48299 on: April 21, 2023, 06:53:45 PM »
All the rest is simply, to put in terms they'd pretend to understand, the superstructure built on that base. Misgendering? Violence. Thinking you aren't the sex you claim to be no matter how much you insist it's true in your own mind? Genocide. Telling you to lose some weight or you'll have health problems? Eugenics. Saying that reducing the cost to produce things is a general good, especially for the poor? Capitalism, colonialism and white supremacy combined with a rejection of the intrinsic value of art.

This reminds me of something

https://twitter.com/LethalityJane/status/1649192527881469952