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[benjipwns]

I think another thing to consider is that many (most?) of these people are effectively "secular" millennialists. They don't see the story of humanity as survival, especially not themselves who are living in the most important time ever, they see it as a guaranteed path of history to the very soon utopian triumph over Evil. The alternative to everything they're "fighting" for isn't that life goes on (maybe worse), it's that Evil wins the existential struggle permanently and denies humanity its guaranteed (and very very soon) utopia.

It's a morality tale, not an internally consistent philosophy.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-way-in-which-many-people-and-not-just-many-era-users-talk-about-professional-critics-is-so-completely-alien-to-me.709238/page-2#post-104234777

User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory Generalization; Gamergate Rhetoric; History of Inflammatory Generalizations

When it comes to videogames, i would hope that a critic at least is as good as a 5 year old to make a critique on a game.

I do not respect this.

 

[team filler]

it is very telling that they'll go on and on about the trans genocide (did you know we're on the 8th step?), but no one is bold enough yet to claim that we are seeing a trans Holocaust

did they really ban a jewish woman for calling them out on using the word "genocide"   

[Greatness Gone]

to be fair, videogames probably have some of the most pussy ass journalism (Schrier is a wimp) and worst reviewers out of any entertainment medium. it's part of why gaming forums are so necessary (in order to read well considered criticism and analysis from people that actually play games), and why resetera being a minefield of diehard wokies is so unfortunate.

the only reason that user above got moderated is because Ree doesn't want to dissuade the 3 reviewers who post there from leaving.

[Nintex]

videogame journalism from the perspective of a hobby is weird.

Bias for teams, brands or players is no problem in sports, fishing, racing, DIY home improvements, cooking or any other hobby. In fact it's pretty rare in the music and movie industries to find journalists not just critical of a single album or movie but moviemaking or creating music in general 

[HaughtyFrank]

Currently Kotaku is complaining that Ashley isn't a badass who rescues herself, clearly missing their audience but pointing that out is gamergate rhetoric 

https://twitter.com/NikoMueller/status/1649164943445356546

[Greatness Gone]

The only way that article works is if you force yourself to pretend like Capcom didn't deliberately write an arc for Ashley where she gets more confident throughout the game (and they beat you over the head with this with her verbal cues changing).

also ignoring the fact that she's just a regular girl and not an anime superhero cop like Leon and Jill.

[Uncle]

it is very telling that they'll go on and on about the trans genocide (did you know we're on the 8th step?), but no one is bold enough yet to claim that we are seeing a trans Holocaust

thinking on this further I desperately want someone to post some rah-rah message fully in line with the rest of them in those threads that condemns the ongoing trans holocaust, just to see it get banned for inflammatory comparison (unlike using the other word)

[team filler]

videogame journalism from the perspective of a hobby is weird.

Bias for teams, brands or players is no problem in sports, fishing, racing, DIY home improvements, cooking or any other hobby. In fact it's pretty rare in the music and movie industries to find journalists not just critical of a single album or movie but moviemaking or creating music in general 

the problem is when they pretend they have no bias. or have some idiot who hates a certain genre/platform reviewing games from them. also they take money/gifts/favors/insider information from one company and then trash one of the rival companies without being told to. just trying to suck up and hope it gains them more favor.

[Nintex]

I thought they balanced Ashley well. At first she's just scared but over time she gets more confident and helpful.

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/should-i-feel-bad-about-ignoring-messages-from-work.711296/#post-104506691

I've never worked in the restaurant industry so I don't know how normal that kind of behavior from your boss is, but my hard rule is that if I'm taking time off, I'm taking time off, and I will not do work during that time off except for absolute mission-critical emergencies.

The One where ComedySmasher pretends he ever had a job with actual responsibilities

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/hurt-heal-console-wars.711392/

Wizard Game #1 fan admin

This thread really doesn't offer anything worthy of discussion and promotes console warring.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/should-i-feel-bad-about-ignoring-messages-from-work.711296/#post-104506691

I've never worked in the restaurant industry so I don't know how normal that kind of behavior from your boss is, but my hard rule is that if I'm taking time off, I'm taking time off, and I will not do work during that time off except for absolute mission-critical emergencies.

The One where ComedySmasher pretends he ever had a job with actual responsibilities

Holy fudge, that OP never worked in her life like the rest of those basement dwellers at Ree

[Snoopycat_]

A baldy denial thread -

https://www.resetera.com/threads/has-anyone-gotten-a-hair-transplant-or-wear-a-hair-system-thoughts.711455/

You can tell yourselves nobody notices you look like a half plucked chicken but we totally do.

[remy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/overwatch-2-ot-heroes-never-die-for-a-price.638466/page-586#post-104413094

User Banned (2 Weeks): Gendered Slur

Oh she is serving cunt!! Def her best skin!

Wait, I thought they decided not to ban the word cunt

homophobic ban tbh

i thought ree mods were part of the queer community?

how do you not know serving cunt the most basic white woman of drag slang

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-way-in-which-many-people-and-not-just-many-era-users-talk-about-professional-critics-is-so-completely-alien-to-me.709238/page-2#post-104234777

User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory Generalization; Gamergate Rhetoric; History of Inflammatory Generalizations

When it comes to videogames, i would hope that a critic at least is as good as a 5 year old to make a critique on a game.
youtu.be/zbE6fqBuGkA
I do not respect this.

 

Hope they were banned for using the wrong video, this is the correct one:

[D3RANG3D]

[PogiJones]

To get to the point instead of meandering around the edges:

Are Trans activists trying to rebrand social bigotry as genocide? In that case, are all forms of social bigotry just genocide?

I'm going to ask a silly question that is going to sound bad but I'm asking it as a rhetorical device that is attempting to reframe the idea of Trans genocide, I am well aware that Trans people are discriminated against daily and that comparing the struggles of a Trans person to any other marginalized community is going to be fraught with peril:

Is mandatory Physical Education in school Fat genocide?

Yes, of course. Are you not reading Fat Liberation Twitter because you're a fascist or just because too many of them are trans?

I'm not making a joke (well, okay, not anymore than I always do), I'm simply pointing to all the rhetoric, "theory" and one of the central key components of this entire "ideology" that underlies all this: anything you don't like is deliberate violence against you.

All the rest is simply, to put in terms they'd pretend to understand, the superstructure built on that base. Misgendering? Violence. Thinking you aren't the sex you claim to be no matter how much you insist it's true in your own mind? Genocide. Telling you to lose some weight or you'll have health problems? Eugenics. Saying that reducing the cost to produce things is a general good, especially for the poor? Capitalism, colonialism and white supremacy combined with a rejection of the intrinsic value of art.

edit: Remember, they consider there to be nothing in existence but political power. Everything you do, all your choices down to the words you use, is an act of political power. And what is political power? (You know this since you all know the state is illegitimate.) Violence.

When everything is genocide then nothing is genocide

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Except for like, actual genocide

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Thought that spoiler was gonna be top of page genocide tbh

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/going-viral-airline-passenger-freaks-out-during-southwest-flight-due-to-crying-baby-video-article.710723/page-6#post-104429891

User Banned (1 Month): Dehumanizing Inflammatory Commentary

Why the fuck shouldn't babies be on planes?

Someone moving across country or overseas with an infant is supposed to doggie paddle or spend days upon days driving? They gonna Instant Transmission when they have to travel for a funeral unexpectedly?

Dog Kennel and check that shit.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/going-viral-airline-passenger-freaks-out-during-southwest-flight-due-to-crying-baby-video-article.710723/page-8#post-104437619

User Banned (5 Days): Inflammatory Commentary

As someone who just did 12 flights some of them 12+ hours I understand that kids can be annoying but that dude is overreacting.

That said, you got kids under 5? Any trip you taking is a net negative to the fabric of the universe and I hope karma punishes you. I do not need to hear your fucking kid whine, cry and complain over the pacific ocean.

I'm not gonna bitch or complain but goddamn I wish you and your spawn nothing but Ill tidings.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/going-viral-airline-passenger-freaks-out-during-southwest-flight-due-to-crying-baby-video-article.710723/page-17#post-104478074

User Banned (2 Weeks): Inflammatory Commentary

I mean, Intrusive thoughts would want to take my AK out and swiss the kid, but im a civilized human being, so i just take the annoying shit's crying while being relieved im not a parent.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/outrage-as-florida-republicans-pass-fascist-bill-to-remove-trans-kids-from-parents%E2%80%99-custody.711416/page-3#post-104526752

User Banned (Permanent): Low-effort dismissive drive-by, long history of infractions.

U get what u vote for

[team filler]

it is very telling that they'll go on and on about the trans genocide (did you know we're on the 8th step?), but no one is bold enough yet to claim that we are seeing a trans Holocaust

did they really ban a jewish woman for calling them out on using the word "genocide"   

I joke around on here, but the entire jewish population in europe was nearly wiped out systematically by the germans. they know what it looks like, but I guess some dorks on reeee know better because they don't like being told not to cheat at sports 

[benjipwns]

They seriously banned a guy for a month for "dehumanizing" a baby in a joke?

He should have specified that it was a white cishet baby!

[maninthemirror]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/going-viral-airline-passenger-freaks-out-during-southwest-flight-due-to-crying-baby-video-article.710723/page-6#post-104429891

User Banned (1 Month): Dehumanizing Inflammatory Commentary

Why the fuck shouldn't babies be on planes?

Someone moving across country or overseas with an infant is supposed to doggie paddle or spend days upon days driving? They gonna Instant Transmission when they have to travel for a funeral unexpectedly?

Dog Kennel and check that shit.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/going-viral-airline-passenger-freaks-out-during-southwest-flight-due-to-crying-baby-video-article.710723/page-8#post-104437619

User Banned (5 Days): Inflammatory Commentary

As someone who just did 12 flights some of them 12+ hours I understand that kids can be annoying but that dude is overreacting.

That said, you got kids under 5? Any trip you taking is a net negative to the fabric of the universe and I hope karma punishes you. I do not need to hear your fucking kid whine, cry and complain over the pacific ocean.

I'm not gonna bitch or complain but goddamn I wish you and your spawn nothing but Ill tidings.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/going-viral-airline-passenger-freaks-out-during-southwest-flight-due-to-crying-baby-video-article.710723/page-17#post-104478074

User Banned (2 Weeks): Inflammatory Commentary

I mean, Intrusive thoughts would want to take my AK out and swiss the kid, but im a civilized human being, so i just take the annoying shit's crying while being relieved im not a parent.

i mean is it really a wonder by many liberal mothers want abortion for "lifestyle will be hindered" reasons ? with kids like this being born

[Hap Shaughnessy]

If your lifestyle isn't affected by a kid you're not doing it right and if you're not willing to do that, everybody is better off if you don't have kids.

[maninthemirror]

era locks thread in only 2 instances


1. The topic is too sensitive for overly fragile members.
2. The topic is exposing too much of era's mental illness issues

[Polident Hive]

New business venture: an airline exclusively for babies and obese people. Era is doing marketing research for me here.

[BIONIC]

An airline exclusively for obese babies

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Obese babies? More like resetera members

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[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/outrage-as-florida-republicans-pass-fascist-bill-to-remove-trans-kids-from-parents%E2%80%99-custody.711416/page-4#post-104531582

We're going to have to get violent to stop the advance of Christian Fascism. Arm yourselves and prepare to fight. I dearly wish it wouldn't come to this, but I think it's inevitable.

The second amendment exists for this; not for gunning down school children, but for freeing them from fascism.

 
 

[PogiJones]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-set-pics-from-ghostbusters-sequel-reveal-paul-rudd-in-possible-flight-suit-and-an-unannounced-returning-character-spoilers.711446/

You think the Ghostbuster are wearing "flight suits"? Tell me you're sheltered and privileged without telling me.

This man has no dick.

                      transphobia?
 

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/outrage-as-florida-republicans-pass-fascist-bill-to-remove-trans-kids-from-parents%E2%80%99-custody.711416/page-4#post-104531582

We're going to have to get violent to stop the advance of Christian Fascism. Arm yourselves and prepare to fight. I dearly wish it wouldn't come to this, but I think it's inevitable.

The second amendment exists for this; not for gunning down school children, but for freeing them from fascism.

Hey, where's all the normal posts mocking this kind of talk because the state has cruise missiles and tanks? (Not to mention political legitimacy and control of the global credit markets.)

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/did-your-parents-music-stick-with-you.711425/#post-104525438

My mom is from Texas so growing up there was a lot of country music in the car. I don’t listen to modern country, but I still have a lot of nostalgia for the late 90’s/early 00’s era of country music

  Ouch.

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[benjipwns]

TO THE HAPPENING BUNKER, DONATE PLS TO FIGHT JOANNE'S GENOCIDE:

Clara Sorrenti (“Ms. Sorrenti”), a transgender woman, advocate, and popular online streamer Keffals on Twitch, has filed a Human Rights Application against the London Police Services and the London Police Services Board (collectively, the “LPS”). The Application is based on the discrimination Ms. Sorrenti experienced due to her gender identity and gender expression, which is contrary to section 1 of the Ontario Human Rights Code (the “Code”).

...

Ms. Sorrenti’s Application argues that the LPS breached the Code and discriminated against her by:
failing to investigate or adequately investigate the Death Threat before deciding to arrest her at gunpoint,
misgendering her,
calling her by her dead name,
treating her with disrespect and inhumanity while in custody, and
in having antiquated and discriminatory policies and procedures which do not accommodate gender identity and expression to the point of undue hardship.

In addition to the persistent misgendering by LPS, Ms. Sorrenti also alleges that at the time of her arrest a London Police officer groped her breast and said, “yep, it’s a she”.

Ms. Sorrenti is seeking redress for the discrimination she has experienced and calls on the LPS to change their policies and procedures to better accommodate transgender persons.

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https://twitter.com/CruxDatum/status/1649499769600102400

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[maninthemirror]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/outrage-as-florida-republicans-pass-fascist-bill-to-remove-trans-kids-from-parents%E2%80%99-custody.711416/page-4#post-104531582

We're going to have to get violent to stop the advance of Christian Fascism. Arm yourselves and prepare to fight. I dearly wish it wouldn't come to this, but I think it's inevitable.

The second amendment exists for this; not for gunning down school children, but for freeing them from fascism.

 

maybe these trans nuts meant genocide as in they will commit it?

[Potato]

videogame journalism from the perspective of a hobby is weird.

Bias for teams, brands or players is no problem in sports, fishing, racing, DIY home improvements, cooking or any other hobby. In fact it's pretty rare in the music and movie industries to find journalists not just critical of a single album or movie but moviemaking or creating music in general 

the problem is when they pretend they have no bias. or have some idiot who hates a certain genre/platform reviewing games from them. also they take money/gifts/favors/insider information from one company and then trash one of the rival companies without being told to. just trying to suck up and hope it gains them more favor.

Hit the nail on the head there filler

[Potato]

era locks thread in only 2 instances


1. The topic is too sensitive for overly fragile members.
2. The topic is exposing too much of era's mental illness issues

 


They're the same thing

[NekoFever]

A baldy denial thread -

https://www.resetera.com/threads/has-anyone-gotten-a-hair-transplant-or-wear-a-hair-system-thoughts.711455/

You can tell yourselves nobody notices you look like a half plucked chicken but we totally do.

“Hair system” 

It’s not a doll! It’s an action figure!

[Snoopycat_]

I was wondering what a hair system is then realised it's just a wig. Lol. Thread is a hoot though. People recommending going to 3rd world countries to get weird surgery. Honestly, nobody can tell I've got arse hairs stapled on my head.

[HardcoreRetro]

I can't wait to cover my crippling male pattern alopecia with pubic hair. It'd look like a nice perm on that bald strip in the middle.

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/1649326808360263680

 

[Polident Hive]

Back in the day games writers were clowned on for a bevy of reasons. From skill issues, to moving into official PR roles at game companies, to vacation press junkets. Post- whatever the fuck gamer gate was (is?), noticing the guy hyping up Wii Music at IGN Nintendo leaving for a NOA gig is suddenly problematic.

But when a cartoon dog girl has more sway that all those outlets, maybe it corrected itself it the end.

[jorma]

https://twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/1649326808360263680

 

i can plainly see why this dude wants to shift the conversation from hairloss to heirless

[Snoopycat_]

Could you all stop ignoring Discount Kyuuji's thread please and fill it with bumps or sticky requests. Also we really need to find a game for them to boycott.


https://www.resetera.com/threads/if-you-dont-want-trans-people-to-die.702811/page-7#post-104497184

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/atomic-heart-has-exceeded-initial-expectations-of-focus-entertainment.711491/page-2

Another Atomic Hearts thread with people rightly asking why it wasn't banned when Hogwarts Legacy/entire Harry Potter IP was.

And you got the usual cohorts saying, you just didn't try hard enough to get it banned:

There was nothing “frivolous” about why Hogwarts Legacy was banned, and it was only banned after members of trans era spending a lot of time and effort to make the case that allowing discussion would go against the forums desire to be an inclusive space.

So yeah, maybe instead of doing doing whataboutism, you campaign to make it known how and why this game should not be discussed on this forum.

If you bring up the double standard, you're suspect and not worth listening to:

There's an ongoing war against trans people in at least the US and UK, as this is the latest fabricated distraction the right is making a ruckus about while ignoring actual problems. Hogfarts was banned to provide a quantum of solace to members of this community targeted by a fascist genocidal movement of which JK Rowling is perhaps the most prominent face and leader.

Bringing that ban up and diminishing the severity of the justification for it, does nothing to help the matter you purport to care about, and just makes it look like you don't particularly care about the reasons for why a game that aids a transphobic hate movement was banned. If anything, it just hurts the cause you're supposed to be supporting. Distracts from it, might derail the discussion to be about what should and shouldn't be banned (which is likely to lead to the thread being locked) opens up to a justified hostile impression and makes you look like someone who's not worth listening to, and so maybe the issue you appear to be upset about isn't worth paying attention to either.

Anyway, people largely don't know or care about any of these kinds of issues, because they don't impact them enough personally. And you can't always not buy all the things that's got some immoral bullshit going on. It's not an excuse for never doing an ethical consumption, but failures will inevitably happen and everyone's a hypocrite, so the best you can do is something sometimes. A boycott is mostly symbolic, more about showing solidarity with and commitment to a cause than something that will have a material impact on sales, so suffer no illusions in that regard.

I have been and continue encouraging people to avoid Atomic Fart. It's tied to a Z investor and has had a bunch of zuspect imagery.

[Straight Edge]

Who do I contact to address the lack of Tim Robinson smileys on this site?

[HardcoreRetro]

"There's an ongoing war against trans people in at least the US and UK, as this is the latest fabricated distraction"

Come on...

[Nintex]

"There's an ongoing war against trans people in at least the US and UK, as this is the latest fabricated distraction"

Come on...

Putin is bombing Kyiv to distract from his actual target

[HaughtyFrank]

"There's an ongoing war against trans people in at least the US and UK, as this is the latest fabricated distraction"

Come on...

Pretty tasteless to speak of "war" when it's about literal war happening in Ukraine but what else is new for Trans Era

[Nintex]

At this point it's more like trans people are fighting a war against the US and UK. Rallying behind a flag of death, aiming to destroy cultures, attacking freedom of speech and expression, replacing the judiciary with mob justice as well as putting a strain on the healthcare system.

[maninthemirror]

10 steps of genocide

1. Create more than two social genders
2. Attempt to Normalize those other genders and call anyone who doesn’t use it to them as bigots
3. Push for trans women to use women’s bathrooms and anyone who disagrees is a bigot
4. Push for trans women to be called literal women and anyone who disagrees is a bigot
5. Attempt to push kids as young as 3 to transition as normal and anyone who disagrees is a bigot
6. Reverse psychology and claim genocide if 3, 4 and 5 are not accepted
7. Enforce pronouns in workplace and disagreement met with unemployment and Incarceration
8. After submission of white people, black, brown and religious minorities are next target of forced indoctrination
9. Illegal to have gender assigned to any child by parents
10. The final solution : jail, deport , kill anyone who does not comply

[Sideshow Raheem]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-way-in-which-many-people-and-not-just-many-era-users-talk-about-professional-critics-is-so-completely-alien-to-me.709238/page-2#post-104234777

User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory Generalization; Gamergate Rhetoric; History of Inflammatory Generalizations

When it comes to videogames, i would hope that a critic at least is as good as a 5 year old to make a critique on a game.
youtu.be/zbE6fqBuGkA
I do not respect this.

 

Hope they were banned for using the wrong video, this is the correct one:

They beating up on Dean Takahashi again?

Dean's not a particularly adept game player, but he is a solid journalist. He's had to widen his scope to include criticism mostly because he gets invited to these review junkets and it's not like there's the manpower to send a critic and a reporter.

Game journalism never really escaped from its enthusiast roots. There's a few people who can write solid game-related articles and features, but mostly it's kids who are excited to be in the same room with the flashy lights and new Mario game.

(Although I'll take the cloying fanboys over the dullards who write about "important" game issues anyday.)

[Nintex]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-way-in-which-many-people-and-not-just-many-era-users-talk-about-professional-critics-is-so-completely-alien-to-me.709238/page-2#post-104234777

User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory Generalization; Gamergate Rhetoric; History of Inflammatory Generalizations

When it comes to videogames, i would hope that a critic at least is as good as a 5 year old to make a critique on a game.
youtu.be/zbE6fqBuGkA
I do not respect this.

 

Hope they were banned for using the wrong video, this is the correct one:

They beating up on Dean Takahashi again?

Dean's not a particularly adept game player, but he is a solid journalist. He's had to widen his scope to include criticism mostly because he gets invited to these review junkets and it's not like there's the manpower to send a critic and a reporter.

Game journalism never really escaped from its enthusiast roots. There's a few people who can write solid game-related articles and features, but mostly it's kids who are excited to be in the same room with the flashy lights and new Mario game.

(Although I'll take the cloying fanboys over the dullards who write about "important" game issues anyday.)

I don't remember the whole thing but I recall it had something to do with him calling out games for being too difficult or something 

[nobody of note]

NothingLoud in Constructive wants to know if he can create artisianal, bespoke "Advanced OT" AI threads heavily moderated and scaffolded by the opinions of local SMEs:

[USER=1995]Nepenthe[/USER] and [USER=143]B-Dubs[/USER]

Question about the AI discussion: while I have not particularly been enthusiastic about some of the hot take/drive-by/super skewed comments made in some of the past AI threads here, I think there could be some potentially stimulating AI discussion on ResetEra with the right guidelines and guard rails. I think the new staff announcement/rules change is a great step in the right direction.

However, one additional suggestion I have (and I don't know what this ultimately may look like but I'd be glad to be a part of helping to piece it together if need be), is a special additional "advanced OT" or "specially allowed threads" (prepared with care and established posters, similar to a gaming OT) that foster guided/tightly moderated discussion space for cutting-edge AI research discussion (beyond what the current OT fosters through pop science news articles and tweet embeds).

I got this idea originally when making this thread but I noticed the discussion was kind of limited in participation and I learned from making this thread and thought about what I could do in the future to make a topic like this more accessible to the public here:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/really-cool-science-or-nightmare-fuel-brain-organoid-computing-for-artificial-intelligence.693361/

I believe as a technology-slanted forum, we have enough posters here (many have claimed to be working in or studying AI, art, philosophy/ethics, and intersection fields) with a minimum threshold in knowledge and credentials and interest to have an environment that fosters this, it just needs the right thinking behind it, the right preparation, and the right guardrails. I know not everyone here is an academic or highly skilled or knowledgeable about data science and AI, and I don't expect everyone to be. In fact, I don't even want anyone who would participate in such a topic to BE researchers in AI. I think a variety of thoughts and questions could have space in such an arena, but it should be monitored for trolling, low-effort posting, and disingenuous questions while being scaffolded by quality posts by recognized local subject matter experts (SME).

The benefits of this: I think if there is a bridge between the cutting-edge news in academia, and the layman's common population that posts here, via SME that volunteer to translate, at needed points, discussion between the two realms of knowledge (advanced knowledge <-> curious beginners/common posters) that it could lead to 1) some useful learning for everybody, 2) thoughtful/stimulating discussion, and 3) ultimately, increasing the density of informed opinions on this forum regarding AI.

What this COULD look like is something like the following:

1) SME posts a new preprint or publication in a top machine learning journal with applications toward climate change or deepfaking art or cybersecurity or health science.
2) The SME posts with a specific thread title (or header/flag) that signals this is a carefully moderated professional discussion space, or in a new "Advanced OT" for advanced/professional AI discussion.
2) They open discussion with a summary of the abstract, results, takeaways, methods, caveats, and limitations of scope of the paper.
3) They present 1-3 opening discussion questions about the paper.
4) Posters are encouraged to respond how they want but they must attempt to comment (even if it's in confusion or clarification) about the paper and/or the 1-3 opening discussion questions.
5) Responding posters are encouraged to respond directly to other people's posts, instead of drive by/hot-take or post isolated monologue-style commentary that doesn't address the prompt, summary, or questions.
6) SMEs occasionally pepper the discussion to answer questions, provide their own opinions, and clarify anything.
7) Staff/moderators monitor disingenuous/toxic posts.
Everybody learns something from ACTUAL primary sources of information (the academic literature, or respectable science/ethics/art blogs by external SMEs). Let's say, the only links/sources allowed to evidence an argument or present facts would be literature, tweets from actual scientists/ethicists/artists
The pace of discussion would obviously go much slower, and require significant moderating resources. Again, I don't know exactly how this may all be executed and what staffing limitations there are, but it's an idea I had that I was willing to share and explore with anybody that wants to help make something like this happen.

This is EXTREMELY similar to the format that 500-800 level graduate computer/data science courses follow. I took a computational biology course led by a world leader in explainable AI where there was no textbook, no homework problems out of a book, no established curriculum. The curriculum was remade every quarter, mapped around the latest key chosen papers in the field, around special topics in machine learning. Each 75 minute lecture was followed next class period by a discussion hour which involved a group of 2-3 PhD students reading a special topic paper beforehand, crafting a 30 minute presentation around its takeaways and critiquing and examining it. Then the rest of the class would chime in with their own questions, critiques, and analysis. The students would answer each other's questions and examine each other's arguments, while the professor would moderate or chime in if needed, but mostly stay on the sidelines once the discussion was sufficiently fertile and autonomous. The latest pedagogy encourages this style of learning. Students accrue, internalize, and organize knowledge based on how well they can teach and explain and answer information to each other. According to what I know of Bloom's taxonomy (which I understand is still valid and used to write learning outcomes in curricula), synthesizing new knowledge at the highest levels incorporates principles like I've outlined here and that were used in my graduate classes. So really, this has the cool opportunity of being such a fertile learning space that it mimics academic learning spheres (obviously without the same rigor or credentialing, but we don't need to do that, we're just trying to learn and have fun here).

Besides staffing considerations, we have the SMEs, we have the will/interest I think, and we have the potential to foster some really cool learning on this forum that would hopefully seed the broader layman's topics more and increase the general education of the forum populace, while also giving breathing space for professionals to have measured professional discussion without having to try to immerse in pop science topics where the minimum threshold of post quality or knowledge is much lower and it feels alienating and difficult to keep the discussion quality maximized.

I as a data scientist would honestly love having an anonymous, yet public, yet encouraging and safe space to talk about my field and its evolvements, much like we have off topic OTs for a variety of members and social groups and interests. I don't feel like the current AI topics meet this need, and yes I get a lot of this space in grad school myself, and I get a lot of cool discussion in the journal club on my professional slack channels. But I think it would be fun to mimic and extend some of that to this forum.

What does the staff and forum think about something like this? Limitations or concerns I haven't thought about? Affirmation and agreement/disagreement with what I've outlined? I'm all ears.

is this just because other doctoral candidates don't want to talk to him and he needs to find someone to do this at because what the hell

[davepoobond]

I don’t want to read it.  So I’ll say I agree with it

[D3RANG3D]

NothingLoud in Constructive wants to know if he can create artisianal, bespoke "Advanced OT" AI threads heavily moderated and scaffolded by the opinions of local SMEs:

[USER=1995]Nepenthe[/USER] and [USER=143]B-Dubs[/USER]

Question about the AI discussion: while I have not particularly been enthusiastic about some of the hot take/drive-by/super skewed comments made in some of the past AI threads here, I think there could be some potentially stimulating AI discussion on ResetEra with the right guidelines and guard rails. I think the new staff announcement/rules change is a great step in the right direction.

However, one additional suggestion I have (and I don't know what this ultimately may look like but I'd be glad to be a part of helping to piece it together if need be), is a special additional "advanced OT" or "specially allowed threads" (prepared with care and established posters, similar to a gaming OT) that foster guided/tightly moderated discussion space for cutting-edge AI research discussion (beyond what the current OT fosters through pop science news articles and tweet embeds).

I got this idea originally when making this thread but I noticed the discussion was kind of limited in participation and I learned from making this thread and thought about what I could do in the future to make a topic like this more accessible to the public here:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/really-cool-science-or-nightmare-fuel-brain-organoid-computing-for-artificial-intelligence.693361/

I believe as a technology-slanted forum, we have enough posters here (many have claimed to be working in or studying AI, art, philosophy/ethics, and intersection fields) with a minimum threshold in knowledge and credentials and interest to have an environment that fosters this, it just needs the right thinking behind it, the right preparation, and the right guardrails. I know not everyone here is an academic or highly skilled or knowledgeable about data science and AI, and I don't expect everyone to be. In fact, I don't even want anyone who would participate in such a topic to BE researchers in AI. I think a variety of thoughts and questions could have space in such an arena, but it should be monitored for trolling, low-effort posting, and disingenuous questions while being scaffolded by quality posts by recognized local subject matter experts (SME).

The benefits of this: I think if there is a bridge between the cutting-edge news in academia, and the layman's common population that posts here, via SME that volunteer to translate, at needed points, discussion between the two realms of knowledge (advanced knowledge <-> curious beginners/common posters) that it could lead to 1) some useful learning for everybody, 2) thoughtful/stimulating discussion, and 3) ultimately, increasing the density of informed opinions on this forum regarding AI.

What this COULD look like is something like the following:

1) SME posts a new preprint or publication in a top machine learning journal with applications toward climate change or deepfaking art or cybersecurity or health science.
2) The SME posts with a specific thread title (or header/flag) that signals this is a carefully moderated professional discussion space, or in a new "Advanced OT" for advanced/professional AI discussion.
2) They open discussion with a summary of the abstract, results, takeaways, methods, caveats, and limitations of scope of the paper.
3) They present 1-3 opening discussion questions about the paper.
4) Posters are encouraged to respond how they want but they must attempt to comment (even if it's in confusion or clarification) about the paper and/or the 1-3 opening discussion questions.
5) Responding posters are encouraged to respond directly to other people's posts, instead of drive by/hot-take or post isolated monologue-style commentary that doesn't address the prompt, summary, or questions.
6) SMEs occasionally pepper the discussion to answer questions, provide their own opinions, and clarify anything.
7) Staff/moderators monitor disingenuous/toxic posts.
Everybody learns something from ACTUAL primary sources of information (the academic literature, or respectable science/ethics/art blogs by external SMEs). Let's say, the only links/sources allowed to evidence an argument or present facts would be literature, tweets from actual scientists/ethicists/artists
The pace of discussion would obviously go much slower, and require significant moderating resources. Again, I don't know exactly how this may all be executed and what staffing limitations there are, but it's an idea I had that I was willing to share and explore with anybody that wants to help make something like this happen.

This is EXTREMELY similar to the format that 500-800 level graduate computer/data science courses follow. I took a computational biology course led by a world leader in explainable AI where there was no textbook, no homework problems out of a book, no established curriculum. The curriculum was remade every quarter, mapped around the latest key chosen papers in the field, around special topics in machine learning. Each 75 minute lecture was followed next class period by a discussion hour which involved a group of 2-3 PhD students reading a special topic paper beforehand, crafting a 30 minute presentation around its takeaways and critiquing and examining it. Then the rest of the class would chime in with their own questions, critiques, and analysis. The students would answer each other's questions and examine each other's arguments, while the professor would moderate or chime in if needed, but mostly stay on the sidelines once the discussion was sufficiently fertile and autonomous. The latest pedagogy encourages this style of learning. Students accrue, internalize, and organize knowledge based on how well they can teach and explain and answer information to each other. According to what I know of Bloom's taxonomy (which I understand is still valid and used to write learning outcomes in curricula), synthesizing new knowledge at the highest levels incorporates principles like I've outlined here and that were used in my graduate classes. So really, this has the cool opportunity of being such a fertile learning space that it mimics academic learning spheres (obviously without the same rigor or credentialing, but we don't need to do that, we're just trying to learn and have fun here).

Besides staffing considerations, we have the SMEs, we have the will/interest I think, and we have the potential to foster some really cool learning on this forum that would hopefully seed the broader layman's topics more and increase the general education of the forum populace, while also giving breathing space for professionals to have measured professional discussion without having to try to immerse in pop science topics where the minimum threshold of post quality or knowledge is much lower and it feels alienating and difficult to keep the discussion quality maximized.

I as a data scientist would honestly love having an anonymous, yet public, yet encouraging and safe space to talk about my field and its evolvements, much like we have off topic OTs for a variety of members and social groups and interests. I don't feel like the current AI topics meet this need, and yes I get a lot of this space in grad school myself, and I get a lot of cool discussion in the journal club on my professional slack channels. But I think it would be fun to mimic and extend some of that to this forum.

What does the staff and forum think about something like this? Limitations or concerns I haven't thought about? Affirmation and agreement/disagreement with what I've outlined? I'm all ears.

is this just because other doctoral candidates don't want to talk to him and he needs to find someone to do this at because what the hell

[D3RANG3D]

Who do I contact to address the lack of Tim Robinson smileys on this site?


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[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Yes, it is trans genocide (a FAQ and what you can do about it today)

Created by user Bionic?!?

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/yes-it-is-trans-genocide-a-faq-and-what-you-can-do-about-it-today.711593/

[Nintex]

That definition has two parts. (1) It has to be intentionally destroying a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. And (2) it has to have at least one of the five listed acts. I'll point out that you don't need to kill anyone for it to be a genocide. It's enough that you do terrible non-murder things to them, as long as your intent is to destroy the whole group.

hogwarts genocide

[close]

Isn't it disrespectful to survivors of the Holocaust or other genocides to refer to what's happening to trans people as a genocide?

No.

[HardcoreRetro]

With how they treat people that identify themselves as gamers. They're basically a gaming forum that genocides gamers.

[Nintex]

What's wrong with the 1948 Genocide Convention definition?

It was written by white people?

[HaughtyFrank]

I give them credit for posting more than "shut up" but as soon as they apply those steps to reality it's just very reaching. Like previously noted Jews had straight up their citizenship revoked and their property seized, something that's just a million miles away from happening in the US.

Also way to torpedo your whole sports ban argument

Classification: By nature, yes. Trans people and cis people are different.