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[clothedmacuser]

Nepenthe

It's not even the fact that people twist themselves into pretzels to justify how Black people don't belong in fiction outside of stereotypical hood stories. It's the fact that they can't even consistently stick to historical and cultural accuracy themselves. Remember how everyone was complaining about that one character in the Witcher being Black when they should've been Polish? Ignoring the fact that Black people can be, you known, born in Poland, Henry Cavill ain't Polish either and yet magically no one had a problem.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gamerant-black-girl-gamers-founder-criticizes-idea-fantasy-games-can-have-dragons-but-no-people-of-color.714235/post-104915614

I must've missed all the times Nepenthe got mad that one white guy played the nationality of a different white guy. 

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/as-a-guy-why-do-i-feel-so-weird-around-other-people%E2%80%99s-children-anyone-else.714041/page-3#post-104916568

Before transitioning, I was told by my own family not to do X things or look suspicious around kids when I was around 17 or so. Can't remember the full conversation but it was after I was messing around with my younger cousins, who were completely ok with it, but apparently being friendly with kids is some sign that you're going to hurt them?

Either way, that stuck with me, and I've seen how many other people also share that view. Just don't do anything with kids and there's less of a chance to be seen that way.

 

Does explain her creepiness comments to child like au ras in FFXIV subreddit...

[Nintex]

They seem very upset about who's going to read the ChatGTP generated Mahvel script

My man they have Vin Diesel voicing a plant, certainly Kunis can voice a pile of CG rocks. 

[HaughtyFrank]

How about we stop with the derail and actually talk about the casting? yeah?

This fucking guy 

As if anyone who ever got ban baited had that choice

[Taco Bell Tower]

"Why can't it be normal?"
"Omg, stfu everyone and get back to talking about the casting"
 

[Averon]

Pretty obvious B-Dubs absolutely detest being a glorified babysitter for these clowns.

[HaughtyFrank]

I’m happy seeing whatever weird new stuff happens. We already had two movies that were. “”””””””normal”””””””””””.

Fantastic Four with genderswapped characters is by definition not "normal" you dumbfucks. "Normal" doesn't mean good or bad, it just means that it's the norm, which a male The Thing very much is after decades of comics.

[HaughtyFrank]

t’s a little sus that Marvel hasn’t actually recast any of their most iconic white characters to be non-white men.

Movies and TV shows love to do that thing where theirs a diverse cast, but the lead is a straight white guy. I think the biggest bummer is still MCU Spider-Man where they made an effort to be more diverse, but likely never considered making Peter non-white (or you know, just use Miles).

This is where media discourse is now. "It's a little sus they didn't race swap more characters" 

[Nintex]

They should make Peter a black transman in a wheelchair that is having constant panic attacks with an aderall addiction

[Potato]

*Marvel announces that the next Doctor Doom will be a played by a woman*

Bdudds: Can we just get a normal Fantastic Four movie? Please.

Reeeeesetera: Why is a female Doctor Doom "not normal"?

Bdudds: Seriously? It's not that they're casting a woman, it's that it's Mila Kunis and I can't see her in the role.

Plus, the character's name is "Doctor" Doom. We all know women can't be doctors *eyeroll*

Reeeeesetera: I feel like I've heard that said about numerous roles throughout the mcu. I think she can be great if given the chance.

Bdudds: And so your jump to accusations that were wrong results in nothing but this. Thanks for the apology.

Reeeeesetera: Your first post didn’t clarify you meant casting not gender it’s on you, don’t demand an apology for something that anyone could misinterpret.

Reeeeesetera: Major “woke Disney” vibes, ngl. Can’t we get a normal* Jedi for once?

*white male

Mila Kunis acted the shit out of her role in black swan, including tons of dance training, which is super demanding and physical. They should be so lucky.

Bdudds: fuck you




Good chat

[Propagandhim]

They’re right. Most fantasy excuses being so white because it’s drawing from Medieval Europe, but Medieval Europe wasn’t even that white. Middle Easterners, North Africans, and Sub-Saharan Africans occupied the Iberian peninsula for basically the entire Middle Ages. All trade between Western Europe and the far East went through Muslims.

So there’s really no excuse for it. It’s exclusion and erasure no matter how you look at it.

I want a game about African history where I play as a vicious colonizing Dutchman in Ghana.  "Look at all this trade I'm doing with the Dutch East India company!  All trade passes through us! I'm getting rich!"


If these people treat the conquests of Spain like a badge of honor, why should anyone give a shit about African colonization that occurred only a generation after the last Muslim kingdom was fought off in Europe?

[benjipwns]

I remember when this whole movement started so people would be allowed to love who they wanted to love and I think most people support that.

However, I don't see how that desire to love and marry someone is connected to drag queens reading to kids, kids and teens "transitioning" with experimental drugs and surgeries, abolishing womens sports and changing the definition of a woman (not a man mind you) to basically nothing.

Orrrrrrrrrrr, it's not the same movement. It's one movement that struggled against actual oppression with the goal of simply removing imposed handicaps, and it's another movement that wants to impose duties on everyone else attempting to hitch their wagon to the first for multiple reasons.

The first movement fought against accusations that their entire purpose was to convert children, the second movement literally tweets about how if they aren't allowed to trans children without the parents consent it's genocide.

It's a fundamental confusion of terms (huh, interesting) seeing as the T was never the same as the LGB because the latter are sexual orientations while the former is just some religious garbage.

[Averon]

They’re right. Most fantasy excuses being so white because it’s drawing from Medieval Europe, but Medieval Europe wasn’t even that white. Middle Easterners, North Africans, and Sub-Saharan Africans occupied the Iberian peninsula for basically the entire Middle Ages. All trade between Western Europe and the far East went through Muslims.

So there’s really no excuse for it. It’s exclusion and erasure no matter how you look at it.

I want a game about African history where I play as a vicious colonizing Dutchman in Ghana.  "Look at all this trade I'm doing with the Dutch East India company!  All trade passes through us! I'm getting rich!"


If these people treat the conquests of Spain like a badge of honor, why should anyone give a shit about African colonization that occurred only a generation after the last Muslim kingdom was fought off in Europe?

Maybe I'm an ignorant ass chud, but I'd really love some evidence that medieval Europe was some great racial diverse melting pot like they are implying. Sure, there were PoC in Europe at the time, but I have a sneaking suspicion they are greatly over-exaggerating how common non-white people were in Europe at the time.

[benjipwns]

They’re right. Most fantasy excuses being so white because it’s drawing from Medieval Europe, but Medieval Europe wasn’t even that white. Middle Easterners, North Africans, and Sub-Saharan Africans occupied the Iberian peninsula for basically the entire Middle Ages. All trade between Western Europe and the far East went through Muslims.

So there’s really no excuse for it. It’s exclusion and erasure no matter how you look at it.

This is a common strategy of these types:
Sensible Proposition: Medieval Europe was white, certainly not less so than Europe today.
Vaguely Relevant Counterargument1: Nuh uh, one part of the fringe of Europe was occupied by an invading power.
Vaguely Relevant Counterargument2: Nuh uh, in order to trade with Asia trade had to go through the Middle East until the Europeans could circumvent it by the seas.
Irrational Conclusion: Medieval Europe was highly diverse in skin color.

[Propagandhim]

They’re right. Most fantasy excuses being so white because it’s drawing from Medieval Europe, but Medieval Europe wasn’t even that white. Middle Easterners, North Africans, and Sub-Saharan Africans occupied the Iberian peninsula for basically the entire Middle Ages. All trade between Western Europe and the far East went through Muslims.

So there’s really no excuse for it. It’s exclusion and erasure no matter how you look at it.

I want a game about African history where I play as a vicious colonizing Dutchman in Ghana.  "Look at all this trade I'm doing with the Dutch East India company!  All trade passes through us! I'm getting rich!"


If these people treat the conquests of Spain like a badge of honor, why should anyone give a shit about African colonization that occurred only a generation after the last Muslim kingdom was fought off in Europe?

Maybe I'm an ignorant ass chud, but I'd really love some evidence that medieval Europe was some great racial diverse melting pot like they are implying. Sure, there were PoC in Europe at the time, but I have a sneaking suspicion they are greatly over-exaggerating how common non-white people were in Europe at the time.

I don't even care about whether or not they want to entertain the delusion of the "my ancestor" meme from a small part of Europe that was colonized and expand that into the whole of Europe.   I just want to know how they can hold two conceptions of malignant and benign colonization in their heads without having any issues.  It makes no sense to me   And I see this over and over again with 'people of color' on social media, when it comes to talking about 'non-white' presence in Europe; the malice and misery of barbarous conquests just evaporates, and they see it as just a comfortable piece of history of Europe.  Fine, but why demand anyone care about Spain in South America or the conquests of Africa?  Imagine the outcry of a game about Subsaharran history, littered with white colonizers, and those colonizers were insinuated into the game without any moral attribution of what they did, what they were apart of, or the historical context of colonization.  They just existed.  "Hey white people were part of the history of this continent, too!"  Yeah fucking right dude.

[Propagandhim]

And a slight addendum - FF16 is a game whose characters mirror Englishmen, or at the very least Anglo-Saxons and/or Nordic Europeans.  There's no Eastern, Southern European, or Ashkenazi Jewish equivalent elements.  But they're so fucking insular and drenched in American-centric ideology, that they just see the characters as "white people" that they're not part of.  There are no Balkan-equivalent people in this game either, distinguished mentally-challenged fellows.  And guess what?  No normal person cares.

[demi]

https://twitter.com/60404/status/1652419487759736833

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.google.ca/search?q=jr+15

Wee 1 Tactical – Home of the JR-15

 

[Potato]

https://twitter.com/60404/status/1652419487759736833

Blue check means the Nintendo ninjas will find him quick. Enjoy Nintendo garnishing your wages for the rest of your life dumbarse.

[benjipwns]

Unsurprisingly Nothing Loud has problems being around kids -

But overall kids, as cute and funny as they can be, just trigger me with bad memories of both being cut out of unclehood as well as bad memories of when I was a kid myself. If they don’t trigger me, then usually I just feel like I’m constantly stooping to their supervision and recreational and conversational requirements. Can’t talk about politics, business, my work, sex, legislation, relationships, drugs, alcohol, partying, or most of the things I like to do or talk about with these particular humans that I do with most other humans in my life, so it’s always about what they need to develop, what they need to be felt/seen, what they need to feel good, and they’re irrational and uncontrollably emotional (until a certain age) and need constant supervision and they’re a constant liability. I just decided I generally don’t like or get fulfillment out of or want that kind of conversation dominating my time so I don’t really hang out much with kids or people who have kids at all. I just let them enjoy the lives they want and tend to gel preferably with adults and adults without kids.

Also since I’m a queer male non-binary person I’m basically rife for risk of being accused of being inappropriate with children with no evidence and having loads of consequences. I have a classmate who’s bisexual but opposite-sex married with kids who just got fired from his teaching job in Texas and investigated by the police because a parent complained that he had a mentorship conversation with an LGBTQ middle schooler about them dating a crush. He would have said the same to any straight kid but because he’s queer and the kid is queer, they fired him for inappropriate behavior. CPS and the police were investigating and he was sure he was gonna have the book thrown at him until suddenly they dropped charges last week for insufficient evidence of inappropriate conduct.

I just don’t need this kind of stress in my life. Kids are stress and liability and annoyance to me in general. And bad memories. Plus they tend to do shit like pranks, unfunny comments, mean jokes, bad behavior when unsupervised, and they tend to break and destroy things with value they don’t comprehend, accidentally or otherwise.

This guy writes some of the funniest shit on there. He forgot the time that immigrant kid annihilated him by making fun of him for liking anime or whatever it was.

Also:

I have a classmate who’s bisexual but opposite-sex married with kids who just got fired from his teaching job in Texas and investigated by the police because a parent complained that he had a mentorship conversation with an LGBTQ middle schooler about them dating a crush. He would have said the same to any straight kid but because he’s queer and the kid is queer, they fired him for inappropriate behavior. CPS and the police were investigating and he was sure he was gonna have the book thrown at him until suddenly they dropped charges last week for insufficient evidence of inappropriate conduct.

I thought it was just a conversation though?

[Hap Shaughnessy]

NeoLib PoliERA regular JesseEwiak finally got perma-banned

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2023-ot-1-kevins-no-good-very-bad-day.672442/page-153#post-104898868

User Banned (Permanent): Transphobia and prior related ban for dismissing transphobia; numerous severe bans

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2023-ot-1-kevins-no-good-very-bad-day.672442/page-154#post-104928307

It's pretty fucking obvious that there are some mods who don't regularly contribute to this PoliEra community but like to pop in here and start sanctioning people.

I received a warning and a day-long threadban from PoliEra last week, and very much wanted to walk for good because I'm extremely over this shit. Here's what happened when I asked for a perma-ban:
(Image removed from quote.)
L O L

The moderation here is capricious, petty, and completely devoid of transparency. Some good folks on the mod team for sure, but some others who are fucking terrible.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2023-ot-1-kevins-no-good-very-bad-day.672442/page-154#post-104929006

Sometimes people fuck up and aren't perfect in the way they express their thoughts. Sometimes when they fuck up, it can offend and hurt others. That is especially true when we're talking about trans folks, who have to endure an enormous amount of shit from the world. I don't think anyone would disagree that Jesse's post could have been more carefully worded.

But y'know what? Stop willfully misinterpreting people and using your willful misinterpretation as a means of attack. It happens over and over and over again on this forum and it makes this place incredibly toxic. It's certainly not a problem unique to this forum, but it's an especially big problem here.

It's not hard to figure out when people are arguing in good faith and in bad faith - even when they're imperfect in their wording. I disagree with quite a few people in this community, often quite pointedly, but I do my absolute best to assume that everyone here is arguing in good faith. Because I genuinely believe we all are.

 

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2023-ot-1-kevins-no-good-very-bad-day.672442/page-154#post-104929006

I disagree with quite a few people in this community, often quite pointedly, but I do my absolute best to assume that everyone here is arguing in good faith. Because I genuinely believe we all are.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2023-ot-1-kevins-no-good-very-bad-day.672442/page-154#post-104932066

Prior infractions aren't an excuse when the accusation is transphobia, itself a severe infraction. Straight bullshit like this ban is why I only lurk outside of the gaming side and speak with severe care to the point of feeling inhuman when I rarely (compared to how much time I spend lurking) post there. If Jesse can catch a ban like he just did, there's zero reason to believe I won't catch one as well. Anywhere, anytime, for any reason.

I thought I was used to it by now but this one bothers me more than it usually does. Era is consistently the place with the shittiest people (outside of literal hatred) on the internet, regular posters treating other regular posters like dogshit is completely normal. You can be as shitty as you want to everyone around you if you're comfortable playing the game. This thread is quite a bit less shitty than most and Jesse was one of the main reasons I lurk here.

I don't even necessarily blame the mods most of the time, although I do in this particular case. Era is pure popcorn.gif much of the time, particular outside of the main long form threads such as this one. Much of Era is pretty much here to act shitty while feeling smugly superior due to their attachment to (the correct side of) subject matter. People are fucking bloodthirsty, just look at the fucking piling on that happens nearly every thread of consequence. Era would lose half its userbase overnight if mods weren't as overbearing as they are.

I am a disabled person who would literally choose the average person who doesn't think my disabilities exist to represent me over the average Era 'ally' much of the time. At least with the former, I'm likely dealing with indifference and therefore might occasionally be alright by accident. With Era 'allies,' I'm pretty much always completely fucked. This is supposed to be a safe space, a better place for people like me to be than the random discord server. That notion is fucking comical. People can say the craziest most insane offensive bullshit imaginable if they know how to phrase it and I would get banned for pushing back because I'm too blunt of a speaker. I have no idea how people worse off than me deal with it.

I know no one gives a shit and I know I'm risking a ban for metacommentary or whatever the fuck here. This is the only post I'll be making about this or anything even vaguely political in the near future. I wish I knew of another large forum because I (clearly) hate this place a lot of the time. I'm only here because of the lack of alternatives. Can't even fucking lurk without dealing with constant bullshit. Fuck.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/us-poliera-2023-ot-1-kevins-no-good-very-bad-day.672442/page-154#post-104932066

Prior infractions aren't an excuse when the accusation is transphobia, itself a severe infraction. Straight bullshit like this ban is why I only lurk outside of the gaming side and speak with severe care to the point of feeling inhuman when I rarely (compared to how much time I spend lurking) post there. If Jesse can catch a ban like he just did, there's zero reason to believe I won't catch one as well. Anywhere, anytime, for any reason.

I thought I was used to it by now but this one bothers me more than it usually does. Era is consistently the place with the shittiest people (outside of literal hatred) on the internet, regular posters treating other regular posters like dogshit is completely normal. You can be as shitty as you want to everyone around you if you're comfortable playing the game. This thread is quite a bit less shitty than most and Jesse was one of the main reasons I lurk here.

I don't even necessarily blame the mods most of the time, although I do in this particular case. Era is pure popcorn.gif much of the time, particular outside of the main long form threads such as this one. Much of Era is pretty much here to act shitty while feeling smugly superior due to their attachment to (the correct side of) subject matter. People are fucking bloodthirsty, just look at the fucking piling on that happens nearly every thread of consequence. Era would lose half its userbase overnight if mods weren't as overbearing as they are.

I am a disabled person who would literally choose the average person who doesn't think my disabilities exist to represent me over the average Era 'ally' much of the time. At least with the former, I'm likely dealing with indifference and therefore might occasionally be alright by accident. With Era 'allies,' I'm pretty much always completely fucked. This is supposed to be a safe space, a better place for people like me to be than the random discord server. That notion is fucking comical. People can say the craziest most insane offensive bullshit imaginable if they know how to phrase it and I would get banned for pushing back because I'm too blunt of a speaker. I have no idea how people worse off than me deal with it.

I know no one gives a shit and I know I'm risking a ban for metacommentary or whatever the fuck here. This is the only post I'll be making about this or anything even vaguely political in the near future. I wish I knew of another large forum because I (clearly) hate this place a lot of the time. I'm only here because of the lack of alternatives. Can't even fucking lurk without dealing with constant bullshit. Fuck.

They're just noticing that? 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-microsoft-activision-blizzard-acquisition-ot-antitrust-simulator-update-cma-blocks-deal-to-protect-choice-in-cloud-gaming.633344/page-895#post-104821022

User warned: Hostility. Permanent threadban.

Literally read the post above yours.


There is a difference between disagreeing with a decision and throwing out insults because you don't understand the reasoning.

How is that hostility?

[benjipwns]

Look, maybe what JesseEwak posted was correct, but some people are upset about it being correct and shouldn't we think about them? Do we really want a discussion forum where people can post things that are correct that upset someone?

[benjipwns]

Texas shooting thread had typical posts about the damn white cishet males, shooter turns out to be Mexican so now reporting that he's Mexican is a racist plot even though he's not yet been declared white or not:

This is going to be a stupid question, but what does “Mexican National” mean? If he was an immigrant, they’d probably say that, and loudly. If he was of Mexican descent, I figure they’d just say that and focus on it while ignoring that he’s American. But instead they said Mexican National and I’m unclear what that means in this context.

Basically it's a way to say that he's brown skin Mexican.

They sadly do this a lot in some newspapers here where I live. :/ It's a framing device to paint a picture that he "isn't like you"

This is going to be a stupid question, but what does “Mexican National” mean? If he was an immigrant, they’d probably say that, and loudly. If he was of Mexican descent, I figure they’d just say that and focus on it while ignoring that he’s American. But instead they said Mexican National and I’m unclear what that means in this context.

It means he's a Mexican citizen.

It's a way for them to be racist without explicitly being racist.

Is reporting this part racist? I need guidance:

the victims were all from Honduras

Slayven is demanding the borders be sealed to stop the insantity he hard:

hard the details, fucking insantity, it's a direct line to their laws but god forbid you question it

NepentheGPT is ignoring all the pro-cop/anti-minority posts in the thread on her forum obsessed with the culture war:

They will need to explain why they are busy playing culture wars instead of doing anything to limit gun access to [insert group].

No they don't. Their base literally does not care. Conservatives are already calling for this dude to either be lynched or deported. They're gonna lean into the culture war shit because it's all they have.

[ShutUp]

Christ the MCU truly cannot get out of their own way anymore. People have been anticipating the Fantastic Four in the MCU for quite some time. Not a version with a gender swapped member solely to tick off a box in the diversity Olympics, the actual original team. And now this news comes out 

Thanos snapped the quality right out of them. No Way Home made what it did because of the nostalgia from the Raimi characters. Black Panther 2 came and went with nothing like the impact of the first movie because Chadwick is gone. Ant-Man was a disaster and Guardians looks like a step back in the right direction but even that has a fair number of reviewers not so hot on it.

They want a woman version of the Thing (cue the piss babies having a problem with a woman character being called the Thing, of course), fine, do that down the road. But start with the original team. MCU built their brand on getting the Iron Man/Cap/Thor characters comic book accurate but can’t even do the basic shit right anymore.

[Uncle]

They’re right. Most fantasy excuses being so white because it’s drawing from Medieval Europe, but Medieval Europe wasn’t even that white. Middle Easterners, North Africans, and Sub-Saharan Africans occupied the Iberian peninsula for basically the entire Middle Ages. All trade between Western Europe and the far East went through Muslims.

So there’s really no excuse for it. It’s exclusion and erasure no matter how you look at it.

I want a game about African history where I play as a vicious colonizing Dutchman in Ghana.  "Look at all this trade I'm doing with the Dutch East India company!  All trade passes through us! I'm getting rich!"


If these people treat the conquests of Spain like a badge of honor, why should anyone give a shit about African colonization that occurred only a generation after the last Muslim kingdom was fought off in Europe?

Maybe I'm an ignorant ass chud, but I'd really love some evidence that medieval Europe was some great racial diverse melting pot like they are implying. Sure, there were PoC in Europe at the time, but I have a sneaking suspicion they are greatly over-exaggerating how common non-white people were in Europe at the time.

I don't even care about whether or not they want to entertain the delusion of the "my ancestor" meme from a small part of Europe that was colonized and expand that into the whole of Europe.   I just want to know how they can hold two conceptions of malignant and benign colonization in their heads without having any issues.  It makes no sense to me   And I see this over and over again with 'people of color' on social media, when it comes to talking about 'non-white' presence in Europe; the malice and misery of barbarous conquests just evaporates, and they see it as just a comfortable piece of history of Europe.  Fine, but why demand anyone care about Spain in South America or the conquests of Africa?  Imagine the outcry of a game about Subsaharran history, littered with white colonizers, and those colonizers were insinuated into the game without any moral attribution of what they did, what they were apart of, or the historical context of colonization.  They just existed.  "Hey white people were part of the history of this continent, too!"  Yeah fucking right dude.

I want to know why skin color is the only thing that matters

why can games and movies have dragons but not have christians, jews, muslims, buddhists and atheists?

we see you square enix, trying to erase muslims from existence, there's not a single character who stops mid-battle to face mecca and pray

there has never been a final fantasy character whose helmet slot is taken up by yarmulkes that confer various benefits, or a party member who stops drinking potions for lent

is it because it's a fantasy realm where things are a little bit different and maybe there was no Abraham-equivalent? next you'll be telling me there's no Africa-equivalent

[Uncle]

why does Zootopia have all this fantasy stuff like talking rabbits, foxes, sloths, sheep, lions etc. but no Black people?

[benjipwns]

You know these fucking capitalists are going to eliminate all human artists completely and then still not use their AI factories to represent all people at all times in their games. The cruelty is the point.

[knux-future]

Christ the MCU truly cannot get out of their own way anymore. People have been anticipating the Fantastic Four in the MCU for quite some time. Not a version with a gender swapped member solely to tick off a box in the diversity Olympics, the actual original team. And now this news comes out 

Thanos snapped the quality right out of them. No Way Home made what it did because of the nostalgia from the Raimi characters. Black Panther 2 came and went with nothing like the impact of the first movie because Chadwick is gone. Ant-Man was a disaster and Guardians looks like a step back in the right direction but even that has a fair number of reviewers not so hot on it.

They want a woman version of the Thing (cue the piss babies having a problem with a woman character being called the Thing, of course), fine, do that down the road. But start with the original team. MCU built their brand on getting the Iron Man/Cap/Thor characters comic book accurate but can’t even do the basic shit right anymore.

this is exactly what they have been doing in the comics and its had the same result.

I am black for example but my love of spiderverse wasn't because Miles is also black...its because its a cool ass movie and he's a fun and cool lead...who just so happens to be black. If the movie was about how its hard for him to be spiderman because he is black it would have sucked lol. I don't need to be reminded that some people out there hate me and my people when I just want to watch mofos swing on webs and punch people.  I'd love stories about other "marginalized" groups that didn't always have to go into show how much it sucks to be them all the damn time. Thats how you make things equal and normalize it but nope Disney and friends constantly bring attention to it and tell everyone who doesn't like it that they are a bad person and expect that to be all that matters. Captain Marvel wasn't mid because she was a women...it was mid because that was basically her entire character and persona and it got overshadowed in her own movie by a fucking cat lol.

I enjoy the MCU but its fall off is well deserved because the people in charge seem to have no clue why it was successful in the first place. The scene in the first avengers in which Iron Man swoops in and blasts his beams off Cap's shield was exactly what the main audience came to see. Now you have convoluted plots about characters we don't know that spend more time preaching to the audience than just being the live action version of action figures smashing together.

[Uncle]

it's interesting how the MCU straddles normal world (2008) and clown world (2023) so with a full watch you can literally see culture deteriorating before your eyes

[benjipwns]

The hardcore MCU fans want their films to matter but they can't because the mass audience doesn't give a shit about any of that (and most of the hardcore don't really either) and there's no fucking way Disney is going to risk giving their films a connecting philosophy because it would hold up the assembly line. The real lesson of what happened with Snyder is that you can't do this at the same time you want to play with billion dollar brands at the scale the companies want, the "multiverse" of the MCU is incredibly superficial and that's why it works, Snyder's attempt to invest the DCEU with an actual meaning for what it is to be a hero (or anything else you want to inject these films with) isn't something you can pull off with everyone else sitting around waiting to start churning out the blockbusters in the same universe. Fiege can't stick in anything and hold everyone to it as they're producing $250 million productions that come out every four months or less, you can't schedule it at all unless you write all the movies years before you finally get around to making them. So the only "meaning" you're left with, that will be acceptable to part of the audience enough not to ruin your international box office, is stuff like "look she's a girl!" or "look he's Black!" and that shit doesn't matter to normal people only insane people who think those superficial things are the sole inherent being of individuals.

They can do some of that on Disney+ but it can't be very relevant to the films because they can't sell to the normies "you should have seen Loki and Wandavision" to explain why Spider-Man is swinging around and quipping at a guy. I think MCU fans somewhat expected it to be different now that it was "all in house" as part of Fiege's non-existent masterplan unlike with Agents of SHIELD (which the movies pretty much just ignored completely) even though that was already in house.

There's also some real denial that a lot of people didn't see Endgame as literally the "finale" of the MCU and that it'd be an endless repetition of Civil War->Infinity War->Endgame from now on even though that was a specific break from the formula that they dropped after years and years of setup.

And Kang just showed another reason it's risky to bank your franchises on a long-term story.

[Taco Bell Tower]

why does Zootopia have all this fantasy stuff like talking rabbits, foxes, sloths, sheep, lions etc. but no Black people?

Idris Elba as Chief Bogo, an African buffalo who is the police chief of the Zootopia Police Department's 1st Precinct

[Uncle]

why does Zootopia have all this fantasy stuff like talking rabbits, foxes, sloths, sheep, lions etc. but no Black people?

Idris Elba as Chief Bogo, an African buffalo who is the police chief of the Zootopia Police Department's 1st Precinct

so FFXVI just has to hire Black voice actors for some of the white characters and monsters and everything's fine

[benjipwns]

why does Zootopia have all this fantasy stuff like talking rabbits, foxes, sloths, sheep, lions etc. but no Black people?

You got me to look, Zootopia only has mammals. This implies that that the mammals wiped out all the other species, perhaps with humans being wiped out for trying to defend the others? Zootopia is pro-genocide fascist propaganda beyond just the cop shit.

It gets worse:

According to the filmmakers, the carnivore citizens do not eat other mammals because the dietary supplements for them are fish, plant protein and insects, since fish and bugs are not sapient. The city also has a fast-food restaurant chain named Bug-Burga, which caters insect-based cuisine for this need.

This is literally Nazi shit. I can't believe I enjoyed that movie and have seen Judy Hopps porn online.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Damnit, benji 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/alabama-governor-kay-ivey-fires-state-education-official-over-woke-materials-removes-references-of-equity.713729/#post-104937745

The most oppressed communities of America continue to be the most impacted communities of oppression. America is a shithole because it was founded on genocide and slavery, and the policies that maintain it continue to disproportionately affect those same communities.

USA is a shithole, one of the worst countries ever, founded on oppression, and maintained by it, an oppression that is forgotten domestically, and considered "necessary" internationally.

The United States of America is in my opinion the worst country of the last 500 years.

 

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/alabama-governor-kay-ivey-fires-state-education-official-over-woke-materials-removes-references-of-equity.713729/#post-104937745

The United States of America is in my opinion the worst country of the last 500 years.

 

there are literally like 100 countries where "woke concepts" aren't being removed from textbooks because they never started teaching them to begin with

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/alabama-governor-kay-ivey-fires-state-education-official-over-woke-materials-removes-references-of-equity.713729/#post-104937745

The most oppressed communities of America continue to be the most impacted communities of oppression. America is a shithole because it was founded on genocide and slavery, and the policies that maintain it continue to disproportionately affect those same communities.

USA is a shithole, one of the worst countries ever, founded on oppression, and maintained by it, an oppression that is forgotten domestically, and considered "necessary" internationally.

The United States of America is in my opinion the worst country of the last 500 years.

Placing every man on a plane where he acknowledged no superiors, where no one possessed any right to rule over him, he must inevitably choose his own rulers through a system of self-government. This was their theory of democracy. In those days such doctrines would scarcely have been permitted to flourish and spread in any other country. This was the purpose which the fathers cherished. In order that they might have freedom to express these thoughts and opportunity to put them into action, whole congregations with their pastors had migrated to the colonies. These great truths were in the air that our people breathed. Whatever else we may say of it, the Declaration of Independence was profoundly American.

If this apprehension of the facts be correct, and the documentary evidence would appear to verify it, then certain conclusions are bound to follow. A spring will cease to flow if its source be dried up; a tree will wither if its roots be destroyed. In its main features the Declaration of Independence is a great spiritual document. It is a declaration not of material but of spiritual conceptions. Equality, liberty, popular sovereignty, the rights of man – these are not elements which we can see and touch. They are ideals. They have their source and their roots in the religious convictions. They belong to the unseen world. Unless the faith of the American people in these religious convictions is to endure, the principles of our Declaration will perish. We can not continue to enjoy the result if we neglect and abandon the cause.

We are too prone to overlook another conclusion. Governments do not make ideals, but ideals make governments. This is both historically and logically true. Of course the government can help to sustain ideals and can create institutions through which they can be the better observed, but their source by their very nature is in the people. The people have to bear their own responsibilities. There is no method by which that burden can be shifted to the government. It is not the enactment, but the observance of laws, that creates the character of a nation.

About the Declaration there is a finality that is exceedingly restful. It is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress since 1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences which have given us a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore very well discard their conclusions for something more modern. But that reasoning can not be applied to this great charter. If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers.

[Polident Hive]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/alabama-governor-kay-ivey-fires-state-education-official-over-woke-materials-removes-references-of-equity.713729/#post-104937745

The most oppressed communities of America continue to be the most impacted communities of oppression. America is a shithole because it was founded on genocide and slavery, and the policies that maintain it continue to disproportionately affect those same communities.

USA is a shithole, one of the worst countries ever, founded on oppression, and maintained by it, an oppression that is forgotten domestically, and considered "necessary" internationally.

The United States of America is in my opinion the worst country of the last 500 years.

 

Do you think they ever read a book? Any book? Even Cat in the Hat?

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/alabama-governor-kay-ivey-fires-state-education-official-over-woke-materials-removes-references-of-equity.713729/#post-104937745

The most oppressed communities of America continue to be the most impacted communities of oppression. America is a shithole because it was founded on genocide and slavery, and the policies that maintain it continue to disproportionately affect those same communities.

USA is a shithole, one of the worst countries ever, founded on oppression, and maintained by it, an oppression that is forgotten domestically, and considered "necessary" internationally.

The United States of America is in my opinion the worst country of the last 500 years.

 

Do you think they ever read a book? Any book? Even Cat in the Hat?

They can't even read OPs.

[team filler]

they all read harry potter, but only to protect us from the transphobic content 

[Boredfrom]

This is not Ron Desantis' fault, Ron is a part of the broader racialized, patriarchal and capitalist hegemony that American conservatives are pushing. Desantis and his ilk know what they are doing, the Capitalist class are some of the most knowledgeable Marxists, they just recognize their class position, and how to fight for it.

They are fighting a culture and class war that has been recognized and defined by critical theorists for decades, they have read and interpreted the same shit, and weaponized it to maintain their class position.

The unfortunate reality of capitalism is that the owners are best equipped and most able to learn from their opposition, because they have time, resources and the capital to sustain it.

Workers, academics, families, etc. don't have the same resources, so it's a lopsided game.

 

Did his wife left him? He sounds ultra paranoid and less optimistic. Or is just the weekend?

[Greatness Gone]

it's crazy how this hasn't been locked yet when it's nothing but STRAIGHT MEN expressing their sexuality. i'm sure there are several "female" members seething at all the prominent male posters doing all that boy's club rhetoric-ing.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dad-era-did-you-taste-the-milk.714169/

[Nintex]

Putting issues with the quality and all that aside, the MCU now competes with a ton of other streaming content. People no longer need to go out of their way to see it in theatres with their friends and family. I hear this a lot from my normie friends, they're still watching Loki or Wandavision or whatever so they will go see Dr. Strange once it's out on the streaming service. No rush, it'll come out on Disney+ anyway. There's also way too many of these films and shows and some are not even recognized as Marvel things. I often get questions if this or that show or movie is a Marvel movie. Especially in Europe people don't know who many of these characters are beyond Captain America, Iron Man, Black Widow etc. .

For people that do get into this stuff, well the 'onboarding' experience as of late hasn't been great. Teens and kids going to see Marvel movies obviously wanted to play the game and that sucked. All I hear from parents about Disney merchandise is how expensive it is and how quick it breaks. I've noticed that Disney has lower standards these days in general, I see Disney licensed stuff that just looks off. Characters on shirts pulled from different Marvel phases for instance or colors that don't match the character at all.

The Mario movie on the other hand is going to make Nintendo even more unstoppable. Kids want Switches and Mario games now obviously and Nintendo seldom releases an outright broken or poor Mario product. Plus they have all the LEGO stuff now. Parents will discover that unlike Disney junk, Nintendo games are quality, keep a ton of resale value and their products are near unbreakable (especially the 'entry level' ones aimed at kids like the Switch Lite). Also thanks to the app stores folks now understand better than in the 90's that games have different developers/publishers so that not every game on Switch is a Nintendo game.

[HaughtyFrank]

it's crazy how this hasn't been locked yet when it's nothing but STRAIGHT MEN expressing their sexuality. i'm sure there are several "female" members seething at all the prominent male posters doing all that boy's club rhetoric-ing.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dad-era-did-you-taste-the-milk.714169/

Lactation fetish somehow more accepted than saying that some celebrity is hot

[benjipwns]

This is not Ron Desantis' fault, Ron is a part of the broader racialized, patriarchal and capitalist hegemony that American conservatives are pushing. Desantis and his ilk know what they are doing, the Capitalist class are some of the most knowledgeable Marxists, they just recognize their class position, and how to fight for it.

They are fighting a culture and class war that has been recognized and defined by critical theorists for decades, they have read and interpreted the same shit, and weaponized it to maintain their class position.

The unfortunate reality of capitalism is that the owners are best equipped and most able to learn from their opposition, because they have time, resources and the capital to sustain it.

Workers, academics, families, etc. don't have the same resources, so it's a lopsided game.

Holy shit, I'll have whatever the fuck he's having.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Though as I've said myself, the MAGA and other "conservative" culture warriors have drank from and adopted Marxist frameworks. Since they're idiots as well they also don't realize it's irrational nonsense either.

[close]

[Daffy Duck]

it's crazy how this hasn't been locked yet when it's nothing but STRAIGHT MEN expressing their sexuality. i'm sure there are several "female" members seething at all the prominent male posters doing all that boy's club rhetoric-ing.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dad-era-did-you-taste-the-milk.714169/

Jesus this is transphobic as hell, I can’t believe it’s made it to 5 pages.

Maybe they’re all so tired they’re still sleeping…boy when they awake

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-mcu-turns-15-iron-man-was-released-this-week-in-2008.714349/

I still remember watching Iron Man in cinemas and being blown away.

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I think the movie has aged very well, though the phone scene gives away its age.

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"Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD" had my entire audience freak out.

15 years is a hell of an achievement, and will likely hit 25 years at least with movies planned up until 2028.

I suppose no one should’ve expected the average MCU fan to know how to count.

[Taco Bell Tower]

it's crazy how this hasn't been locked yet when it's nothing but STRAIGHT MEN expressing their sexuality. i'm sure there are several "female" members seething at all the prominent male posters doing all that boy's club rhetoric-ing.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/dad-era-did-you-taste-the-milk.714169/

Era people loathe women.  They drove them off the site.

[Straight Edge]

The MCU's problem is that the stories turned into gobbledygook about time travel and alternate realities. The stakes are even lower now and things can be reverted to the status quo before the next movie in the series is released.

[Uncle]

The MCU's problem is that the stories turned into gobbledygook about time travel and alternate realities. The stakes are even lower now and things can be reverted to the status quo before the next movie in the series is released.

in other words they are adhering too closely to the source material

[Straight Edge]

The MCU's problem is that the stories turned into gobbledygook about time travel and alternate realities. The stakes are even lower now and things can be reverted to the status quo before the next movie in the series is released.

in other words they are adhering too closely to the source material

Yep. The silliness I can accept in a comic doesn't work in a live action. I prefer the earth-based ground level stories of the Fox Xmen, Raimi Spider-man, and early MCU Iron man and Captain America. Once things go "cosmic" they turn to shit.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-mcu-turns-15-iron-man-was-released-this-week-in-2008.714349/

I still remember watching Iron Man in cinemas and being blown away.

(Image removed from quote.)

I think the movie has aged very well, though the phone scene gives away its age.

(Image removed from quote.)

"Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD" had my entire audience freak out.

15 years is a hell of an achievement, and will likely hit 25 years at least with movies planned up until 2028.

I suppose no one should’ve expected the average MCU fan to know how to count.

Disgusting how they say the movie holds up





Thank god modern MCU focuses on making Mila Kunis into a rock monster with eyes

[Polident Hive]

There are plenty of reasons all bunched up at once. Hitting a natural conclusion and kept going. Past that season 10 slump. Core audience for those movie graduated high school and have lives now.

That being said, given enough time, a portion of those fans who went off to university will inevitably put d in p (or a? biology isn’t my strong subject). Babies will somehow exist. The fan will want to introduce their offspring to their childhood, and the cycle repeats. Iron Man 8. Saggy 70 year old Robert Downey Jr will blankly look into the camera and, with no enthusiasm and completely out of context, say his famous line: “Speaking of manned or unmanned, you gotta get him to tell you about the time he guessed wrong at Spring Break... just remember that. Spring Break, 1987. That lovely lady… what was his name?”

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sony-and-activision-data-suggests-69-99-pricing-is-diminishing-sales.714364/

 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/james-gunn-says-we%E2%80%99re-going-to-have-to-wait-and-see%E2%80%9D-if-ezra-miller-will-continue-as-the-flash-%E2%80%94-%E2%80%9Ci-mean-we%E2%80%99ll-see-how-things-go-%E2%80%9D.714079/page-3#post-104912107

User banned (2 weeks): Misgendering

Gunn and Safran should throw Ezra away publically. Anything else is being neutral on his crimes and is not a good stance to have. And no, the movie does not matter. The business does not matter. If Gunn and Safran had a spine or cared they would. They aren't, so we all know how they stand, and they should be criticized for their lack of caring.

[Averon]

Don't know why people bother posting in Erza threads when you got mods and users analyzing every post with a fine tooth comb making sure you used the right pronoun. And you're given no warning or leeway. Every use of 'his/he/him' in reference to Erza must be malicious and used in bad faith, and not, you know, people tripping up using natural, common language to refer to someone who is male.

[Nintex]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sony-and-activision-data-suggests-69-99-pricing-is-diminishing-sales.714364/
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What the price hike mostly did is that it made folks more aware of their spending on video games.
Before I didn't even check the price of a new game because I knew it was €59 ever since the GameCube days. And when it was a bit less like €49 or €54 you were happy that the game you wanted was cheaper and if it was €64 you would think €5 more wasn't a big deal. CE/LE's were mostly in the €79.99 range. So you would get the game plus some cool stuff like an artbook, figurine or a steelbook for 'just' €20 more.

Prices like €74.99 or €79.99 are in a different ballpark and then CE/LE's end up costing €89 to €120. You start to second guess, compare and think longer about buying games and in the end you buy fewer games.

These prices really hurt the momentum of a game at launch too. Something like Need for Speed: Unbound would've done well at €39.99. Basically a no-brainer as a first next-gen NFS game but at €79.99 few will pick it up.
I got it on discount for €34.99 about a month later but by then it had already 'flopped'.