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What if what he wants to do is...you?  :o
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Cheebs, I have a secret to tell you.  My name is Alfonso Cuaron.  :-*


How exciting!

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Now let us make sexytime in your backside.
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Cuaron is my favorite of the threee amigos.

3. Inarratu
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I saw V for Vendetta last night while all my friends were asleep.

Horrible movie. I felt like I was being brainwashed the entire time, and getting taught a crash course on literature and music on the side. FIGHT THE POWER

And that last "stand" by V with the slowmo slicing of their throats was hilarious.

OHHHHH SHHHHIIIII -slice-


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Robert DeNiro. Dustin Hoffman. Kevin Bacon. Brad Pitt. Score by John Williams. Seems pretty fucking un-missable right? Well yeah, basically. While the movie definitely shows its flaws at times, overall it's a very good movie. I'm sure many here would dismiss it merely as "sensationalist" or "manipulative", an argument that has always seemed beyond hypocritical to me.

It's pretty clear from the cast that the acting is good. But what I was most impressed by was the acting of the child actors who had to carry the movie's beginning. Child actors can make or break a movie, and here I thought they did a good enough job acting like kids. It felt like I was watching a depiction of kids I used to hang with when I was younger. These scenes were all very cool, and I couldn't help but be reminded of Goodfellas. It seems pretty damn hard to make a bad movie set in Hell's Kitchen, or the surrounding areas lol

My mom loves the movie because it hits home for her. She told me that the movie reminded her so much of friends and loved ones she knew through the years that she couldn't help but cry at the end. I didn't have that reaction, but I still found the movie to be quite sad. There are many movies that have plots that revolve around one bad decision and how it can spiral out of control for those involved. Here, that is expanded in some pretty disturbing ways.

While the first act of the movie serves to introduce the characters and the world they lived in, the second is based strictly on the aftermath of a poor decision. After a childish prank goes horribly wrong, 4 friends are sent to a hardline boys "rehabilitation" center, where they are beaten and raped by the guards for more than a year. It's here that the movie pulls no punches. There's a part where one of the boys is anally raped by a guard, who uses his baton to preform the act - while demand the boy to say his Catholic prayers.

The final act of the movie revolves around the aftermath, and a plot of revenge. But this isn't just a simple revenge plot of finding and killing everyone who did you wrong. No, it's far more layered. I don't want to spoil anything just in case people decide to see the movie though.

One of the things I didn't like about the movie was the constant childhood flashbacks. While some are used very well in the beginning - such as scenes where the only thing that gets the character's through tough times is their memories of happier times - this theme becomes played out by the third act. It comes to a point when you're tired of the director constantly showing you everything; let us think sometimes please. I don't need a flashback everytime someone sees the water hydrant they used to play near as kids - I remember that, no need in telling me again and again. Also some of the writing is quite empty at times. Much of the dialogue lacks wit, at least once the main characters grow up.

I don't want to spoil anything just in case people want to see the movie, so I'll end by saying that I found the movie to be quite enjoyable. I'm sure it's a movie that will mean more to me later in life, when I experience and see more things.

9/10
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I saw V for Vendetta last night while all my friends were asleep.

Horrible movie. I felt like I was being brainwashed the entire time, and getting taught a crash course on literature and music on the side. FIGHT THE POWER

And that last "stand" by V with the slowmo slicing of their throats was hilarious.

OHHHHH SHHHHIIIII -slice-


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Hot Fuzz is amazing, you'd be a pretty boring person to consider otherwise.
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Oh no, I concur.  Hott Fuzz is still the best movie I've seen this year.
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Pan's Labyrinth (Del Toro, 2006)

I loved the movie last year when I saw it in the theater; now on DVD, Pan's Labyrinth remains a great film, and I actually enjoyed it more on this second viewing. It is truly a fantasy masterpiece.

Some of our more juvenile members have complained that the fantasy elements were too few, but I strongly disagree. The movie is able to walk a thin line while balancing both elements, which truly compliment each other.

Del Toro has created a wonderfully diverse world - fantasy and reality. Technically the film is quite impressive, but not like Children of Men, for instance. Del Toro still manages to impress, especially in the frightening Pale Man scene, which actually had my heart pumping despite having seen it before.

Overall this is a beautiful film, and I am truly glad that it was rewarded for its excellence with three Academy Awards; going into the Oscars it looked like Dreamgirls was going to sweep up all the costume/makeup/etc awards, but luckily the voters made the right decision. It's a shame this movie wasn't more popular in the US box office.

New rating:9.5/10
Previous rating: 9/10
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Pan's Labyrinth (Del Toro, 2006)

I loved the movie last year when I saw it in the theater; now on DVD, Pan's Labyrinth remains a great film, and I actually enjoyed it more on this second viewing. It is truly a fantasy masterpiece.

Some of our more juvenile members have complained that the fantasy elements were too few, but I strongly disagree. The movie is able to walk a thin line while balancing both elements, which truly compliment each other.

Del Toro has created a wonderfully diverse world - fantasy and reality. Technically the film is quite impressive, but not like Children of Men, for instance. Del Toro still manages to impress, especially in the frightening Pale Man scene, which actually had my heart pumping despite having seen it before.

Overall this is a beautiful film, and I am truly glad that it was rewarded for its excellence with three Academy Awards; going into the Oscars it looked like Dreamgirls was going to sweep up all the costume/makeup/etc awards, but luckily the voters made the right decision. It's a shame this movie wasn't more popular in the US box office.

New rating:9.5/10
Previous rating: 9/10


It lost the only one that mattered, Best Foreign Picture. 

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The Fountain (Aronofsky, 2006) - 9.5/10

Every so often, say once or twice a decade, a film comes along that just doesn't jive with, or play by, the rules that Hollywood has told us they "should" follow. These films often get mediocre-to-bad reviews initially, and fade fast from theatres. Sometimes, years later, people start re-visiting these films, and in very rare cases, they eventually become known as masterpieces; visionary films that were ahead of their time. In the science fiction genre, the two most well known examples of this phenomenon are 2001: A Space Odyssey, and Blade Runner. Darren Aronofsky's latest film, The Fountain, seems like it may be destined to the same fate as those legendary films.

The plot synopsis is simple and well known by now: a man and a woman seek to find the key to immortality, and live together forever. The film jumps from 16th Century Spain to the present to 500 years in the future, and deals heavily with various religious themes, from Mayan to Judeo-Christian beliefs. So, is it a science fiction movie, or a love story, or a time-travel tale, or a film about religion and faith? The answer is none of the above. While Aronofsky's film dabbles in all these fields, it is ultimately a heart-wrenchingly beautiful movie about learning to let your loved ones go after they pass on.

The movie is absolutely stunning in every regard. Hugh Jackman delivers the performance of his career, and his chemistry with Rachel Weisz is what anchors the entire film. Aronosky's script is deceptively simple, yet completely engaging. His direction proves to be more than up to the task, and one can tell that this is the work of a great filmmaker, driven by passion. The costumes, set design, lighting, and especially cinematography are outstanding. The film is incredibly big on visual themes, namely darkness vs. light, and these motifs are pulled off with class and skill. The special effects, and their lack of CGI, are a sight that has to be seen to be believed.

Finally, the film is woven together with Clint Mansell's haunting score. This is easily the most impressive piece of work heard in a motion picture in the past decade. The musical cues are moving, unforgettable, and hit their highs at precisely the right moments. There is a scene at the end of the film that stands out as the most amazing blend of music and visuals witnessed in recent memory. Easily his best work so far, Darren Aronofsky's The Fountain is a towering achievement. Highly recommended.

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My film noir thread died because nobody contributed to it besides me.  You like film noir, Solo, why don't you write some reviews for that thread? :(
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Like I said about the westerns, once I get through my current backlog, I will move on to other stuff. I am almost there.

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I'm watching This is England and so far I'm liking it.  It's like a period piece with a Stand By Me vibe. They get the 80s down pretty good, and not just in easy pop culture reference ways.  I didn't grow up in England, but there seems to be some universal images associated with being low-middle to middle class during that age.  There's one great shot of a tree shadow against the side of an apartment complex, and multiple scenes of rubble and abandoned structures as play things. Plus, it has the consumerism/fitting in rite of passage of the 80s.


Also, The Fountain is my biggest disappointment of recent memory.  I'm not the type that revisits a movie later to realize it was great, I normally get that right away.  Bizarre and unorthodox fit my style, but The Fountain's problem is not that it's unorthodox, but that it's lacking in substance. There are plotlines that never reach their end, there is a timid score by Mansell that is not memorable and a passing, nice relationship between Jackman and Weisz's character.  There is an overdone message of looping, of 'death is only the beginning', of the cycle of life, but there lacks a compelling story that brings you through it. The image on screen is the message and it's far too obvious and blunt.  What the film really lacks is making you feel any of these characters or anything much is real.  Sure' maybe realism is not great for this sort of movie, but even the bizarre Pi felt more realistic. The movie does have gorgeous shots and it is a beautiful looking movie.  It's just not much different than The Cell though.  Vivid imagery, but just an okay movie.  I felt like I got the Diet Coke version of this movie, that there is a meatier, deeper version that got circumsized along the way.

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The Cell? Honestly. You may have not liked the movie, but that is just ridiculous. I think The Fountain is the type of movie that you'll find as much or as little as you want to.

Also, what plotlines dont end?

And finally, I must say anything negative I hear about Mansell's work I consider categorically false. I know a ton of people who hate the movie but still think the Mansell + Kronos + Mogwai score is pure sex.

And Pi is something I would never watch again.
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Yes, The Cell.  Is there really much there to grasp onto besides the visuals? You have this love story going on, but the best scenes aren't with either of the love birds, but with the Inquisitor whipping himself or preaching to naked bodies strung up to die. That was great, but the Inquisitor and the plotline he belongs to disappears. 

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The whole movie was about Tommy finally excepting death, which in turn finally allows him to reach enlightenment, and live forever. The Inquisator served no purpose save to drive the plot forward of the Queen wanting the Tree of Life. They way I saw the film, none of the stuff in the past really happened anyways - that was all the stuff that Izzy had written in her book. The "real" stuff is the present scenes, and the future represents Tommy's writings (after being told by a dying Izzy to "finish it"), in which he finally accepts his wife's death, and his own mortality. Thats why he can never find his wedding ring I think - because like a tree of life, one who doesnt age wouldnt have any rings. In the "past", and all throughout the present, Tommy refuses to except death, and is trying to fight it. In the future, he embraces it. And like the stuff Izzy was talking about with respect to dying stars, he burns out only to be re-lit.

Hell, I could talk for hours here - which I why I think you are selling the movie short by saying theres no substance. Id say its a damn meaty film.


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I got the death bit, but:

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The whole movie was about Tommy finally excepting death, which in turn finally allows him to reach enlightenment, and live forever

I don't care about that new age stuff and the movie doesn't make me care about it. The fact that the Inquisitor is more interesting than the main character is partly the reason why.

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I found the main character plently interesting, mostly because of Jackman's work. But hey, I understand your criticisms. And if the movie fails for you on that level, then I can understand why it did on most levels too, since its hard to attach to a character you have no interest in.

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Like I said about the westerns, once I get through my current backlog, I will move on to other stuff. I am almost there.

Since I'm missing out on current movies due to expensive theater prices around here, most of my movie watching is confined to seeing stuff in my DVD backlog.  I've been watching some westerns with Yul Brynner lately.  How did this guy become a Western movie star?  He has a noticeable European accent, is completely bald and weird-looking, and isn't particularly convincing in any of his cowboy roles.  Stuff like The Magnificent Seven succeeds due to guys like Steve McQueen, James Coburn, Charles Bronson, and Robert Vaughn.  Then there are guys like Horst Buchholz and Yul Brynner and it's like they came in from a whole other movie.  :-\
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Pan's Labyrinth (Del Toro, 2006) - 8/10

Visually arresting and wonderfully acted, Pan's Labyrinth is an amazing little film. Be forewarned however, as the movie has been woefully mis-marketed. Do not expect a full blown fantasy adventure, with dashes of real-world drama. Expect quite the opposite, really. The labyrinth and its odd inhabitants appear for less than a third of the film. Fortunately, none of this really matters, as there is a lot of fantasy in the film's reality, and it succeeds in engaging on several levels. The beauty of the movie, and the passion that went into making it are quite visible, and this highly-acclaimed film is an evokative and enriching experience.

The basic plot involves Ofelia, a young girl whose mother is with child, moving to live with her new "father", a fascist military leader named Captain Vidal, in Spain near the end of World War II. Revolution is on the way, with rebels surrounding the homestead, and daily life is filled with acts of cruelty and brutality. The bleak reality surrounding her leads Ofelia to seek comfort in a fantasy world, which she discovers when she meets a strange faun one night in a labyrinth on Vidal's grounds. The faun tells her that she is really a princess of the underworld, and sets her off on several tasks to prove her worth.

Del Toro does a masterful job of blending the two narratives of the film (which are really two sides of the same coin), that of life in fascist Spain under a ruthless military leader, and the fantastical world of the faun's labyrinth. Certain events occurring in reality, usual led by the ruthless Captain Vidal, are mirrored by the quests young Ofelia must undertake (it is also interesting to note that Ofelia's success is often matched by complete failure by the adults). The movie deals with a variety of topics and themes, but in the end, it can most easily be read as a morality tale about obedience. More precisely, it is a film about disobedience, or at the very least, questioning the things one is told to do. Choices, and how it the ones we make define us, also is a large theme tackled in the movie.

Del Toro asks us to ponder which is the better path: obedience without question, even though the power we serve may be misguided (or even flat-out wrong), or justifiable disobedience? We see throughout the film that Vidal expects obedience without question, and when he doesn't get it, he lashes out with incredible rage and violence. Ofelia on the other hand personafies righteous disobedience. She refuses to do certain things she is told to do, based on moral conflicts. She ultimately refuses to sacrifice another life for the sake of her own, and in doing so, proves her worth, and passes the faun's final test. It is this lack of flexiblilty and humanity that eventually leads to Vidal's downfall, while Ofelia's strength sets her free. One gets the feeling that Vidal is somewhat of a tragic figure, who could have become a completely different man, had he questioned his actions and made certain choices along the way, much like the young Ofelia did.

The acting in the movie is phenomenal and is what really makes it work. The actors portraying Ofelia, Vidal, and Mercedes (a supporting character with an interesting story arc of her own) are all stand-outs. The entire visual package is inspired, from the Oscar-winning cinematography to the sets to the make-up. The score is excellent, if slightly repetitive and lacking in scope. Finally, Del Toro really comes into his own as a director on this film, and I really enjoyed a lot of the stylistic and editing choices he made on the movie (and the Pale Man sequence itself is worth the price of admission). Easily the most accomplished work of his young career.

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...except revolution is NOT on the way.  The Spanish Civil War ended four years ago (in the film's timeline), and the Franquistas are concentrating their power.  The action of the rebels in the film are the last gasps of dissent, which will be successfully quelled for the next forty years.

Any reading of the film needs to take it in historical context, but I think most Americans don't know enough about the situation in Spain during WWII to do that.  FlameofCallandor pretty much proved it.
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Bah. Bad choice of words. I dont mean Revolution, as in like the Spanish Revolution or some junk, I meant revolution, as in change. And yes, I am woefully ignorant on Spanish history, and would never say otherwise.

I disagree about needing to throw historical context in there. Do the hundreds of critics who jerked off to PL know the history? I doubt it. The film stands on its own. Thats not to say that you wont get more out of it if you do understand the history, but the film stands on its own.
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I think it's wrong to imply that change is coming...and I don't think the movie means to imply that the time of fascism is ending.  At the time the movie is taking place, the civil war has just ended.  Spain has pretty much stayed out of World War II (so they won't benefit from the reconstruction that will happen in the wake of the Allies' victory in the coming year), and things are about to stay really shitty for a long, long time.  As far as the time period depicted in the film is concerned, the face of Vidal IS the face of the future.

I think the movie requires knowledge of historical context just as much as, say, Once Upon a Time in the West, which deals with western expansionism.
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Here are some quickie reviews for you guys... not too much, but I will defend myself if I have to

Hot Fuzz: 8.5/10
Pan's Labyrinth 9/10

I have yet to see the Fountain and Babel, but I hope to knock those out this summer. My massive game/movie backlog is about to be cleared out, beginning with Super Paper Mario and Pokemon (for games) and Once Upon A Time In The West, Seven Samurai, and the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly for films.
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I think that, to say that "the history in Pan's Labyrinth doesn't really matter in the context of the story" is to completely miss the point of the movie.  If Del Toro had changed the bad guys to Nazis and moved the setting to Germany, this would be a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MOVIE.  It's not just about the story, it's about the time and place the story takes place in.
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I think it's wrong to imply that change is coming...and I don't think the movie means to imply that the time of fascism is ending.  At the time the movie is taking place, the civil war has just ended.  Spain has pretty much stayed out of World War II (so they won't benefit from the reconstruction that will happen in the wake of the Allies' victory in the coming year), and things are about to stay really shitty for a long, long time.  As far as the time period depicted in the film is concerned, the face of Vidal IS the face of the future.

I think the movie requires knowledge of historical context just as much as, say, Once Upon a Time in the West, which deals with western expansionism.

Perhaps. I guess knowing about the context of OUATITW puts me on the other side of the fence with that movie. Fair points though. I guess what I am ultimately saying is that lacking that knowledge, I still enjoyed the heck out of PL, and I would presumably only respect it more if I were educated on Spain's history.

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I think that, to say that "the history in Pan's Labyrinth doesn't really matter in the context of the story" is to completely miss the point of the movie.

This is a rather shrewd re-wording of what I said, changing its meaning totally. This is not what I said.
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You're saying "the film stands on its own" meaning divorced from the time period the movie is set in.  I think this is a very silly way of looking at it - don't you think Del Toro specifically chose that time and that place to set his movie in for a reason?  And don't you think that ignoring that is doing a HUGE disservice to the movie, the themes it's trying to get across, and most of all to the director's intentions?
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Im not divorcing it from anything. Im saying as a viewer with a rudimentary knowledge of the history at best, it didnt detract from my viewing. I knew enough - fascist control, tumultuous times, etc. Much like someone who knows very little about WWII can still get lots from Schlinder's List. If they know what the holocaust is, then do they really need to know everything from the beer hall putsch to Nuremberg? No. Will it enhance their viewing? Perhaps, but its not required.

As for the themes, I felt they were pretty much in your face, regardless if you knew nothing or everything about the topic. They were pretty universal themes, not unique to one struggle in one place at one time.

Id love to know some more about the history, but honestly, where is the time to meticulously research each and every movie you watch?

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...dude, a cursory look at the wikipedia entry on the Spanish Civil War would have sufficed.  You're comparing basic knowledge of a huge conflict like that to "the beer hall putsch"?  There is a HUGE difference between these two things.  Have you seen Bertolucci's The Conformist?  Would you say a movie like that could be (or rather, SHOULD be) watched and understood without a knowledge of the historical background the characters inhabit?
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I knew about the history, and it helped a tad with my comprehension of the film.

After I explained the history to my friends, it helped with their comprehension of the film as well.
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Ichirou, you win this round. Many days I am up for a long debate, but today isnt one of them. But I will wiki the civil war just for you.

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I think we're arguing different philosophies as to movie viewing more than debating something that can be "won" or not.  I think you're arguing that movies, as art, should be able to be enjoyed either separately or within some sort of historical or cultural context, whereas I'm arguing that films are endemically creations of the time and place they were made or which they reference.
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Bipolar as it seems, I find myself agreeing with both ideas. More precisely, I find that depending on the film in question, either can apply. I will concede that I probably arent getting the full thrust of PL, being ingorant on the context and time period referenced. But then look at something like Master And Commander. I know next to nothing of naval warfare, and havent read the books it was based on, yet I cant conceive getting anything more out of the film (which I loved, BTW), if I knew the history or had read the books. Probably not the best example, but it was the first movie I thought of. I guess what Im saying is that I agree with you on a lot of films, but stand by my stance on other, lighter, less significant fare. Like duh, obviously something like Bicycle Thieves is representive of the film movement and the conditions going on in Italy during the 40's, but then something like Caddyshack I dont feel is representive of, or attached to/a product of anything.

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I dunno, man, I think someone could probably argue convincingly for Caddyshack as a cultural product of the eighties that could not be replicated at any other moment in time. I'm not brave or smart enough to attempt it, though. :lol
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If you REALLY want to put the effort into it, then yes, I guess you COULD do that for every film.  :lol

I need to watch Caddyshack again soon.

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I'm watching The Fountain right now; had to stop it for a bathroom break. This movie is amazing
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I should check it out on Stage6. I wish I had seen it in theaters. :-\
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The Fountain (Aronofsky, 2006)

I will forever remember 2006 as the year that introduced me to a variety of films which greatly impressed me. From The Departed to Children of Men, that year was filled with movies that entertained me and made me think. After viewing The Fountain it is clear that I have to add another film to this great list of 2006 films.

There isn't much I can say that Solo hasn't already. But first, The Fountain is not what you think it is. It is not a tale of space travel, or of religion. It is all of these things, but none of them at the same time. At its heart the movie is a tale of love and death. Hugh Jackman plays a doctor trying to cure his ailing wife from the oldest "disease" in human history: death. This journey mimics that of the main character in a book she is writing, and throughout the movie these two stories interweave. While sometimes it may seem confusing, the themes between both stories stay the same.

The movie dwells on issues of life and death, and the connection between these opposite forces. The religious theme of "life through death" is throughly explored, for it is through this realization that we truly find the meaning of life. Death is not the end, and this truth is not discovered in the lab or hospital - it is a realization of self we must all face one day, within ourselves. These Gnostic themes becomes the key to understanding the film's depth.

As Solo said earlier, Jackman's performance is quite impressive. By the end of the movie his acting range and depth are put on display in grand fashion; much of the movie focuses on him, and he proves himself more than capible of holding it together. Rachel Weisz also provides an emotional anchor for the movie, and her chemistry with Jackman helps to make everything work. Meanwhile I found the actual directing to be well done. This is the first Aronofsky film I have ever seen, and I feel he did a good job at keeping things focused and coherant; it would be quite easy to get lost in movie of this magnitude, but by the end  you should be left with a feeling of understanding and satisfaction.

Overall I thought this was a great, great film. As I said earlier, this is not a mere space travel movie, if one at all. This fact has left some upset, but I would contend that something as fictitious as time travel would only serve to cheapen the reality the movie depicts.

9.5/10
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2 quickies from yesterday's 2005 double bill. Not really reviews (since everyone has seen them many times by now), but random thoughts.


Sin City (Rodriguez/Miller/Tarantino, 2005) - 9/10

Still one of my favorites from 2005. Love the visual style of the whole thing, the cheesey dialogue and over-the-top acting, and how unrelentengly violent and bleak it is. Oh, and Jessica Alba's body. Worst part of the movie is Michael Madsen's acting and "That Yellow Bastard". Best part of the movie is Mickey Rourke and "The Hard Goodbye". Clive Owen also rocks out in "The Big Fat Kill". Loud, stylish, dumb, and awesome. This is precisely how I like my braindead popcorn flicks to be - mostly mindless, but never insulting me with appealing to the lowest common denominator. Can't believe it's gonna end up taking 4 years to get a sequel, especially from Mr. "I shoot my movies in a week!" Rodriguez.


Batman Begins (Nolan, 2005) - 8.5/10

Another of my favorites from 2005, and the first Batman movie I've really loved. The first 40 minutes is easily the best in the entire film, before Batman even becomes part of the equation. It's perfectly paced, and I love how if you didn't know any better, you wouldn't think it was a Batman movie. The movie falls apart somewhat once it gets into action movie mode, but it's still pretty great. Love the look of this movie; Wally Pfister's Oscar nom for cinematography was well earned. The score also totally rocks, and despite lacking a main theme, is better than any of the other Batman movies'. The best things the movie has going for it is a stellar cast, and a director who has respect for the material, and understands the character. Still lots of flaws, but the good outweighs the bad, and I can't wait to see what Nolan does in the sequel, now that telling the origin story is taken care of.

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Good to see someone else willing to give BB a score lower than 9. It's a great comic movie, but it's an 8.5 imo. The camera work during some of the fight scenes is quite bad shaky, and I actually found the beginning of the movie (in the prison) to be bad
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The camera work during some of the fight scenes is quite bad shaky, and I actually found the beginning of the movie (in the prison) to be bad
The first half was by far the strongest half of the film. :punch

The worst (and it's hard to call something in BB the worst) was the final act in which Nolan felt compelled to have some AWESOME ACTIONZ to please the mainstream, it overall felt forced.

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You have to have action in a comic book movie. I DON'T MAKE THE RULES.

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You have to have action in a comic book movie. I DON'T MAKE THE RULES.
Who does?

And I realize that. But it felt forced it could have been done better. It was serious drama, serious drama, serious drama, and then suddenly BIG ACTION FUN.

The film is still the greatest super hero film ever made, but still.

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actually, the greatest superhero movie ever made is s-m2
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actually, the greatest superhero movie is s-m2
I love both, let me be

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Good to see someone else willing to give BB a score lower than 9. It's a great comic movie, but it's an 8.5 imo. The camera work during some of the fight scenes is quite bad shaky, and I actually found the beginning of the movie (in the prison) to be bad

agreed, it was awful.

if nolan gets rid of the shaky cam (or atleast makes it work) then tdk could quite possible be the greatest superhero movie ever made.
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"The Big Fat Kill" was distinguished mentally-challenged and uncomfortable. However, you're right about "The Hard Goodbye" -- it was far and away the best part of Sin City.

And the shaky cam fighting worked great for Nolan's vision of Batman -- Batman isn't supposed to be some wire-fu shadowboxing schlep. He's a predator, and when he strikes, it's over in a noisy, brutal flurry.

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it was almost impossible to follow what was going on in the scenes. shaky cam is great if used correctly though (bourne movies)
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why do you need to see what was going on in those scenes? like i said, the impression is suppose to be that of a predator thrashing his prey, not a chance for you to go OOH LOOK AT THAT UPPERCUT and OMG DID YOU SEE THAT SPINNING SIDE KICK INTO ELBOW STRIKE COMBINATION FINISHER
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It didn't feel violent or sudden or vicious, because you couldn't see what was going on.  It be like a violent execution off-camera without being able to see the killer and there no splash of blood.  It just didn't work.

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Just got back from POTC3 :-\
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Cheebs you made the right decision not seeing this twice.

Overall this movie was extremely lackluster, repetitive, and a sad way to end such a promising trilogy.

Nearly everything about the movie felt wrong. This started with the beginning of the entire Singapore scene, which served as a blueprint for the rest of the movie. Bloated, unnecessary, and quite anti climatic. These action scenes were then repeated over and over again through the rest of the movie as ship after ship saw some stupid battle, then some story is thrown in, then oh snaps another battle on another ship.

The second movie ended on quite an interesting note, and the prospect of them saving Jack was indeed worth anticipation. But this anticipation was quickly dashed. Jack goes to the end of the earth...

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...and they find him after going through basically nothing? Some cold weather? An utterly horrible "rock the boat" gag? What the **** is this. I would imagine that the end of the world would be guarded by a dragon, or anything cool. Instead we get a water cliff and that's it. Anti-climatic

Speaking of anti-climatic, Jack's first appearance was stupid. After the boring beginning I couldn't wait for him to show up, but when he did the feeling of being let down continued. The multiple personality bit was poorly done, to say the least. It wasn't funny at all. Jack's madness was backed up by the weird music that played whenever he had a fit, but I saw this as a wasted opportunity. Why not pull out some imaginative, crazy camera shots to present this madness? I'm not saying go all out Terry Gilliam style, but DO SOMETHING. Ugh. It would have been much better if Jack's first appearance came as the ship sailed over the sand hill, followed by the signature swooping shot of him posing.
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What follows is a series of backstabbings and new plot revelations, all of which feel as if the writers simply made them up as they went.
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This was best seen with Calypso imo. But I don't even feel like talking about that, or the hilariously bad scene where she turns into the 60 foot woman, and doesn't even sink the ship
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The only saving grace of the movie came towards the end. Perhaps because I couldn't wait to leave, but I digress. The final battle is indeed fun, and the final "twist" is interesting. I certainly didn't see that coming. But even the end wasn't without flaws, and I found the shameless set up for the fourth movie to be once again a tacked on surprise I didn't want.

I wanted to like this movie. It was my most anticipated movie of the summer. To me, POTC2 was much better than POTC1. I'm in the minority there, but it seems like I'm not alone when I say this movie was indeed quite lackluster. Not horrible like a Star Wars prequel, but quite meh indeed. I left unsatisfied, and I doubt I'll be hyped to see POTC4, assuming I do see it.

6/10
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dude, PD, that bad?

fuck.  fuck.  for reference, what did you give 1 and 2?

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Anihawk: So you're saying PotC 3 is about as goood as Unforgiven.

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I saw Catch Me If You Can tonight at a friends.

Good flick.
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it sucked cock.

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A compelling argument from a compelling man.
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it's pretty compelling if I do say so myself.