PS3 DELAYED IN EUROPE

[Diablos]

 

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PS3 BOMBA.  Worldwide launch features less units than the 360 launch!  Nintendo given the world ona  silver platter.

[Van Cruncheon]

Welcome to the WAGGLEWORLD

[Phoenix Dark]

PS3 BOMBA.  Worldwide launch features less units than the 360 launch!  Nintendo given the world ona  silver platter.

400,000! 400,000

That number is almost worse than the $600 number. Why on earth are they only shipping 400,000 units to the US? A few months ago people laughed about PS3 production problems on GAF and got banned. Now it looks like they were right, and everyone is laughing now

[Van Cruncheon]

Welcome to the GREAT EBAY GEEK MASSACRE OF 2006

[MrAngryFace]

400,000 is just enough units for scalpers to scoop up and sell to the technophiles at inflated prices. God Bless America!

[Phoenix Dark]

[truffleshuffle83]

god i cant wait to sell a caouple on ebay. i may even open auctions to europeans if i feel like really making money

[MrAngryFace]

[Van Cruncheon]

ahahahahahahahahahaha

[Bacon]

Waggle wins

[Phoenix Dark]

Bluray wins

[Mondain]

As I've remarked in the OA PS3 shortage threads, it's actually a good thing.

Frankly, launch days are mostly symbolic events, that only the hardcore fans in minority truly care about. It's going to get Sony tons of free publicity and attention, and ultimately generate even more hype and interest for the launch games.

And then there's going to be steady supplies over the subsequent weeks for Christmas, and ultimately it'll have paid Sony big style to be patient and do everything correctly. This is the reverse of the Xbox 360 situation that drove everyone mad last year.

The Xbox 360 has no killer games in sight and will simply get devoured by the PS2 well into 2007.

And the inclusion of Blu-Ray is the best decision for this generation by a huge margin. Frankly, I'm touched by Sony's foresight, they engineered a console by thinking in the long run, and just like the two previous generations, they'll gain the consumers' favors and win just as well because of that. It's laughable that biased fanboys can only think in the very short run.

It means the democratisation of HD video and enough HD video and gaming storage space for years to come because of this persistance in spite all the cynics, in the end they'll have the last laugh... frankly, kudos to them!

[The Fake Shemp]

Nintendo for the Wiin!

[Third]

Ps2 all over again.

[Vizzys]

Thisiswaiting.com

[Diablos]

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teehee

Jotaro: Oh come on. I am buying a PS3 too (someday) but SONY FUCKED UP.

[CajoleJuice]

Credit goes to Mike Works...

[Van Cruncheon]

jotaro is afraid that when the 360 takes over his precious anime games will become a rare occurrence and he will be forced to jerk off not to pie-eyed submissive lolis but rather grizzled plasticky forty-something veterans

[brawndolicious]

wow

[Vizzys]

Thats pretty fucked up but I like it cajolejuice.

[CajoleJuice]

Thats pretty fucked up but I like it cajolejuice.

I know I laughed.

I become more and more of a heartless asshole everyday.

[futami]

the masses will wait, biding their time until ps3's stock is replenished alongside a bevy of new titles slated to arrive in Q1. this changes nothing, no matter how pathetically hopeful psychotic xbots are that this will translate into a greater sales for the 360.

honestly, with the ps3 unavailable, would you opt for the lesser alternative, the subordinate system that's had its 3rd gen offerings upstaged by the ps3's presumed launch titles?

[brawndolicious]

the masses will wait, biding their time until ps3's stock is replenished alongside a bevy of new titles slated to arrive in Q1. this changes nothing, no matter how pathetically hopeful psychotic xbots are that this will translate into a greater sales for the 360.
honestly, with the ps3 unavailable, would you opt for the lesser alternative, the subordinate system that's had its 3rd gen offerings upstaged by the ps3's presumed launch titles?

no, but you're twisting the facts and unwilling to give 360 a fair chance.  if you think people are so fucking jaded that they wait until after they're fucking kids are screaming for a video game system to buy it then you are an idiot.

[futami]

the masses will wait, biding their time until ps3's stock is replenished alongside a bevy of new titles slated to arrive in Q1. this changes nothing, no matter how pathetically hopeful psychotic xbots are that this will translate into a greater sales for the 360.
honestly, with the ps3 unavailable, would you opt for the lesser alternative, the subordinate system that's had its 3rd gen offerings upstaged by the ps3's presumed launch titles?

no, but you're twisting the facts and unwilling to give 360 a fair chance.  if you think people are so fucking jaded that they wait until after they're fucking kids are screaming for a video game system to buy it then you are an idiot.

when those very same kids are confronted with news of their luckier friends, those whose parents managed to procure a ps3, they'll regret every moment they spend with the sloppy seconds.

you're psychotic, hence i have no interest in debating this with you.

go troll up gaf/oa with your apologetic drivel.

the 360 is a joke of a system, one that isn't selling well ANYWHERE, yet millions, despondent at the unavailability of the ps3, will suddenly pick one up?

[brawndolicious]

when those very same kids are confronted with news of their luckier friends, those whose parents managed to procure a ps3, they'll regret every moment they spend with the sloppy seconds.
you're psychotic, hence i have no interest in debating this with you.
go troll up gaf/oa with your apologetic drivel.
the 360 is a joke of a system, one that isn't selling well ANYWHERE, yet millions, despondent at the unavailability of the ps3, will suddenly pick one up?

you see, when you change the types of games you can play (the HD stuff) you get a different market.  this is what sony has always been saying.  kids won't ever envy their luckier friends...because they won't have it either.

[Christopher]

hence the POINT of envy dude wtf?

[Christopher]

and if people don't think that every single one of those PS3 units will be gone at launch your just being ignorant or stupid esp for the people who are "BUYING THREE TO SELL ON EBAY LOLZ"...supply and demand, short the supply than run an AGRESSIVE marketing campaign, and the kids will want.

Thus when the new shipment comes in word will be out...it's very simple, and you have to think in terms of children/casual gamers want as well.

[brawndolicious]

hence the POINT of envy dude wtf?

why would they envy if nobody they know in the continent they live in will have it?

and why would people buy it after christmas time in the spring and summer when game releases slow down around that time?

[Christopher]

Hype.  It's called hype, and people will buy anything if the time is right...it doesn't have to be the Christmas season.

[brawndolicious]

Hype.  It's called hype, and people will buy anything if the time is right...it doesn't have to be the Christmas season.

yes there's the right and the wrong type of hype.  do you really think europe will still be biased towards playstation after they see the PS3?

[Christopher]

Yes I do...delay and it and push a super marketing push over.

[brawndolicious]

I don't think so but we'll see.  I mostly just wanted to get futami out of the forum.

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Credit goes to Mike Works...

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Mike Works is a shitfucker.

[futami]

Yes I do...delay and it and push a super marketing push over.

not to mention the euro launch will coincide with the guaranteed hotness that is heavenly sword, a title that will undoubtedly move units in a region where sales for the 360 -- while greater than its stillborn state in japan -- are languid.

why can't you people (not you, christopher) admit that, delay notwithstanding, the ps3 stands to fare significantly better than the 360, a system that has been but one step removed from utter failuire since its launch just a year ago.

[brawndolicious]

I don't get it, what's your point?  I've never seen a system with a more satisfying first gen then the 360.  that's because Microsoft doesn't have their heads up their asses.

[futami]

i'm not impressed by the 360's graphical output.

i'm not going to pay $500 for that.

[brawndolicious]

Don't.  I mean you won't buy a fucking PS3 unless you develop cataracts when looking at it's games but it obviously is not for you.

[futami]

resistance and motorstorm more than impress me.

[Van Cruncheon]

resistance looks sub-360 and motorstorm has dreamcast textures

xenos

[brawndolicious]

resistance and motorstorm more than impress me.

not technically.

[smiles-and-cries]

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

[futami]

resistance and motorstorm more than impress me.

not technically.

to me, they look to be of a technical grade higher than anything on the 360.

why are we doing this?

it's a boring, cyclical exercise in futility.

while you're impressed with it, i'm not.

this is why i call you -- and the other taco xbots -- psychotic.

i respect that you're enthralled with the 360.

i don't care.

you can't seem to respect that i am not.

[truffleshuffle83]

you and mondain are fuckin distinguished mentally-challenged..... keep putting your faith in an arrogant company with a bullheaded leader and watch it crumble to the ground. ask nintendo and sega how it feels to be at the top still???

[Diablos]

Geez, Sony is not going to crumble to the ground. That's just a fantasy you xbots seem to share.

Sony did however make a couple bad decisions, and the pricepoint alone will give MS some more market share; DELAYING their console ANYWHERE is the last thing they need. They'll survive this, and the PS3 will be successful, but this is one embarrassing launch for them. None in Europe... 400k in the US, 100k in Japan.

I do not defend their cockyness and screwups leading to this launch, but I'm not dumb enough to seriously think they're gonna fail. Make no mistake, the market will be a lot more competetive this time around, especially between Sony and MS. Which is actually good for us -- more games. But to say either Sony or MS is doomed is silly.

And the Steve Irwin gif fucking sucks.

[MrAngryFace]

It's not about being an xbot.

I'll level with you. Aside from being an upscaling dvd player, media streamer, and Live Arcade machine, it is little else. Most of the 360 library, while containing some quality, doesnt hold my attention.

I wouldn't mind if Sony failed, someone has to. MS cant fail because it hasnt ever really succeeded, and Nintendo is off in the corner doing its own thing which is completely outside of the equation. So up till this point the only company that hasn't failed yet is Sony, and they're due.

'yes MAF but they arent DOOMED'

Who is to say? Back when Sega was popular I dont think people would have imagined them in the position they are in today. They never WON the system wars but they were a strong force. Being 'DOOMED' in this industry isn't about going bankrupt and living in a hooverville, it's about being somewhere or in a position you don't want to be in. As a consumer I look at these points:

600 dollars
New and UNPROVEN medium (shades of UMD here)
Questionable Launch Line-Up
Limited number of units at launch falling into the hands of scalpers
Broken Promises to Developers
Lots of METOO tacked on technology not initially MEANT for the system
Broken Promises to Fans
A controller called PooS. Thats just silly.
Weird Draconian limitations demonstrated in the past (2D oldschool games on ps2 in America)

The price to me, is the biggest issue. It says 600 dollars, and I see 800 dollars. 360 didnt cost 400 at launch, it cost 600. There's all the stuff we STILL HAVE TO BUY. I have a GOOD job, and that price seems INSANE. This isn't something families will be able to afford easily in a country drowning in debt and struggling with job security. So it comes down to the super-fans, which are currently supporting the PSP, and I dont think thats enough to meet Sony's PS3 sale predictions.

I have a feeling Nintendo is going to make up an incredible amount of lost ground this next gen through the WalMart families alone. 360 will probably continue to perform as it is now until its lifespan is run through, in the event the PS3 TANKS, which is possible, the 360 might just benefit from that situation.

This isnt about being a fanboy, its about having reservations about an 800 dollar expense and understanding that as a statistic, there are LOTS of people out there that feel the same.

[truffleshuffle83]

eactly...dont charge me 600 bucks and then drop features and tell me too my face it should be more expensive and that im getting such value for my money.

[MrAngryFace]

I think what bothers me more than Sony telling me is its fans telling me.

[Van Cruncheon]

Yeah, we get that Sony is a company and has to spin bad news, but why would CONSUMERS do the PR job unpaid?

[Mondain]

Why am I always getting Dreamcast-era vibes in these kinds of threads? Everyone believed too back then... until the dust settled in. People always like to take all kinds of opportunities to attack the established giant. However what they often lack, is sensible foresight.

Well, I've read your post fully and it's one of the best summaries of the odds I've read yet. Just picking up this small bit to relate my own retort.

As a consumer I look at these points

What is the consumer ultimately going to look at? At the franchises he likes.

Franchises that Sony has in droves, while Microsoft is still fumbling and unable to concoct a killer app, looking like it'll become an Halo box yet again. These great assets are the reason consumers will be greatly incited, hyped, ultimately well enough to pick up the unit even since of the inflated price.

With the lack of third party support on Wii (even if it looks things have slightly improved), and the impossibility to do straight ports of all the casual Xbox 360/PS3/PC builds (a trio which I'm certain will prevail this generation), the Wii is going to be left with ancillary experiments and last-gen ports when it comes to games for the most part. Most editors do casual games and will conveniently create for all three, leaving the Wii in trouble.

These Wal-Mart families, why should they bother with the console when it lacks the games they want, which are all fully realized on other systems than the Wii, a system where they'll be crippled, and where its sole real attraction (Nintendo's franchises) are becoming out of fashion at retail? They'll simply hang on to their PS2s which looks like it'll have a profitable life, and might well possibly be the "lo-fi" next-gen gaming alternative instead of the Wii.

[MrAngryFace]

Everything you just said is very typical of you, so ill just agree to disagree.

[Van Cruncheon]

Those great assets didn't exist for the PSOne when it stomped both Sega AND Nintendo, both of which DID have "great assets".

Companies can drop the ball. The PS2's issues were not price, competition, or even availability to the same degree; its sole issue was visually underwhelming software, and that only mattered to the internet fanboys. The PS2 won because it had DVD playback -- and let's face it, Blu-Ray isn't even one-quarter as compelling to the mainstream. The PS3 has price, an unproven media format, a lackluster launch lineup, limited supply, heavy-duty competition in the same launch period, and a series of spectacular media failures working against it.

[truffleshuffle83]

a halo box?? STFU dumbass. maybe if sony is lucky companies will remain loyal and not jump ship like capcom

[Mondain]

a halo box?? STFU dumbass. maybe if sony is lucky companies will remain loyal and not jump ship like capcom

You aren't accurate when you say that Capcom "jumped ships", as they confirmed that the reason they created early games for the Xbox 360 was that they were given development tools early and wanted to try their hand at next-gen.

Those great assets didn't exist for the PSOne when it stomped both Sega AND Nintendo, both of which DID have "great assets".

Companies can drop the ball. The PS2's issues were not price, competition, or even availability to the same degree; its sole issue was visually underwhelming software, and that only mattered to the internet fanboys. The PS2 won because it had DVD playback -- and let's face it, Blu-Ray isn't even one-quarter as compelling to the mainstream. The PS3 has price, an unproven media format, a lackluster launch lineup, limited supply, heavy-duty competition in the same launch period, and a series of spectacular media failures working against it.

The PSOne succeesed because it gathered Nintendo's third party contributors, and the PS2 also succeeded because they loyalty was kept and "milked" for a second generation. So far it looks like this will continue for a third time.

Price was an issue (or factor) considering it cost 299$ versus the Dreamcast's 199$. And Sony did face competition from Sega, and then challenges from both Nintendo and Microsoft, creating a three console markets at a time where many thought it would be an impossible situation-- a situation where they emerged as victors.

Now the next PlayStation's visuals are arguably better than the others, which should compensate for the harder, but IMO ultimately faint odds it faces.

Yes these are all true struggles that Sony will have to face, however what the whole Internet naively seems to believe is that all that hyperboled rhetoric spells their doom, when ultimately these are just odds.

[Diablos]

It's not about being an xbot.

For many it is.

Who is to say? Back when Sega was popular I dont think people would have imagined them in the position they are in today. They never WON the system wars but they were a strong force. Being 'DOOMED' in this industry isn't about going bankrupt and living in a hooverville, it's about being somewhere or in a position you don't want to be in.

To those hating on PS3, it's typical of them to think PS3 will be a complete flop. Not you specifically.

Unproven medium? BR-ROM will prove itself soon enough. Oblivion devs admitted that they had to water down some of the textures so they could all fit on a DVD9. And it's a first-gen game. If they're having storage problems with textures already, then it's going to become a serious bottleneck as time goes on.

The price to me, is the biggest issue. It says 600 dollars, and I see 800 dollars. 360 didnt cost 400 at launch, it cost 600. There's all the stuff we STILL HAVE TO BUY.

Excellent point. And because if you actually want to enjoy your 360, you'll need to spend a couple hundred bucks more on games that year... it automatically brings it into the same price range. The $200 difference is not so big once you're already spending up to $600 because of games.

I have a GOOD job, and that price seems INSANE. This isn't something families will be able to afford easily in a country drowning in debt and struggling with job security.

I won't argue this point at all, but the 360's $400 pricetag is high too. As for the price... it's just another purchase on the credit card for most consumers. As we both said above those who actually buy a console for GAMES are going to be spending a fortune when they first get it anyway.

I have a feeling Nintendo is going to make up an incredible amount of lost ground this next gen through the WalMart families alone. 360 will probably continue to perform as it is now until its lifespan is run through, in the event the PS3 TANKS, which is possible, the 360 might just benefit from that situation.

PS3 will not tank. Nintendo still doesn't have the appeal and the games look like ass because the hardware is terrible, graphically speaking. Will they get a bit more popular? Maybe. I don't see Nintendo ever being #1 again though.

This isnt about being a fanboy, its about having reservations about an 800 dollar expense and understanding that as a statistic, there are LOTS of people out there that feel the same.

What about the 360 $600 expense? That's ridiculously high too. If you truly want to think about it realistically in terms of how much you will actually spend to PLAY games... PS3 and 360 are about the same. Once you get to $600 for videogames, another $200 isn't a big deal. Think of it as building a PC for $600, if there are things you really want and are only another $200, there's not much of a difference at that point.

I am either getting a $500 PS3 or waiting until a pricedrop. Regardless, I'm not buying one for a while. I'm really not interested in 360 at all, save Trusty Bell and uh... that's it so far.

[MrAngryFace]

Diablos: So I won't have to buy games for my PS3 to enjoy it? Come the fuck on.

600 isnt acceptable because I KNOW ill have to send 800. Read my fucking post.

[truffleshuffle83]

i love how the classic excuse for sony fans is nothing on the 360 interests me....what kind of genre are you waiting for? do you even like gaming? if its not final fantasy or metal gear youre not playing it?

[MrAngryFace]

Diablos and Mon just feed me the usual Sony Fan double-speak and I am hardly compelled to continue debating with them over any of the PS3 issues.

Its like if Sony shot them in the stomach and I told them Sony shot them in the stomach and they said "Well the bullet is free."

[truffleshuffle83]

if sonycowboy buys a 360 you know things have to be going down the shitter considering hes one of sonys staunchest fanboys

[Mondain]

i love how the classic excuse for sony fans is nothing on the 360 interests me....what kind of genre are you waiting for? do you even like gaming? if its not final fantasy or metal gear youre not playing it?

heh, I have an Xbox 360 and play games nearly every day for it, and will try to rent all the best titles... there's tons of fun to be had and I don't want to miss a thing

I simply find that most of them are overrated though since people are dazzled by next-gen, and ultimately for the franchises I foresee the PS3 repeating the PS2's momentum and wide offerings, and large library of titles

Xbox 360 is good for action games though

if sonycowboy buys a 360 you know things have to be going down the shitter considering hes one of sonys staunchest fanboys

IIRC he didn't because he wasn't sure to get one at launch and didn't want to camp out and wrestle with a crowd of fanboys in stores

I'm not sure to get one at launch, that's not bothersome however since of all the PS2 releases left to play this year