Author Topic: So, the PS3... (Read 4564 times)

Ichirou · « **on:** May 13, 2007, 11:31:50 PM »

It's pretty much dead in the water, right? Is there anything Sony can do to save it at this point?

Beezy · « **Reply #1 on:** May 13, 2007, 11:40:55 PM »

*crickets*

I guess that's a no.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #2 on:** May 13, 2007, 11:41:35 PM »

ps what

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #3 on:** May 13, 2007, 11:47:33 PM »

You know what im using my PS3 for right now? The entire .Hack series.

360 however is so very sexy

Vizzys · « **Reply #4 on:** May 13, 2007, 11:49:32 PM »

It has a good chance when the price drops.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #5 on:** May 13, 2007, 11:55:38 PM »

I dunno, Wii is cheaper and as sad as it sounds, has more games to play. 360 is almost as expensive, but has more games and a better online service, and equal performance.

lol

Beezy · « **Reply #6 on:** May 13, 2007, 11:56:10 PM »

Quote from: Viz on May 13, 2007, 11:49:32 PM

It has a good chance when the price drops.

Too bad there's like no chance of them dropping it this year.

Ichirou · « **Reply #7 on:** May 14, 2007, 12:22:05 AM »

Quote from: Viz on May 13, 2007, 11:49:32 PM

It has a good chance when the price drops.

If they drop the price too fast, people will think it's a panic move and assume the PS3 is la bomba. If they don't drop the price soon enough, 360 and Wii will permanently outpace it and Sony will be screwed.

I would buy a 360 Elite upon release if it weren't for the ridiculous failure rate.

P.S. This is coming from someone who owned a PSX and owns three PS2s. I don't own an XBox and I only bought a Gamecube when I saw a used one on sale a couple of years back. I am not a fanboy of any particular company.

Himu · « **Reply #8 on:** May 14, 2007, 01:04:14 AM »

The problem with ps3 is the price and blu ray emphasis. If it wasn't for that it'd be killer.

Quote from: Ichirou on May 14, 2007, 12:22:05 AM

Quote from: Viz on May 13, 2007, 11:49:32 PM
It has a good chance when the price drops.

If they drop the price too fast, people will think it's a panic move and assume the PS3 is la bomba.

You're forgetting the manufacturing costs. They're losing money making ps3s at 600 dollars, imagine if they make it even lower. Now remember, Sony isn't doing too well financially. I don't think we'll be seeing a price drop until fall 2008.

Mupepe · « **Reply #9 on:** May 14, 2007, 01:13:43 AM »

Quote from: Himuro on May 14, 2007, 01:04:14 AM

The problem with ps3 is the price and blu ray emphasis. If it wasn't for that it'd be killer.

that is a distinguished mentally-challenged statement

It's about as stupid as saying "The problem with the Chrylser ME412 is that it's $800,000 and it's emphasis on 4 turbo's. If it wasn't for that, it'd be killer."

BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE HUGE SELLING POINT! You're forgetting that Cell doesn't come cheap either Himurokoken.

Himu · « **Reply #10 on:** May 14, 2007, 01:18:52 AM »

Quote from: Rob Thomas on May 14, 2007, 01:13:43 AM

Quote from: Himuro on May 14, 2007, 01:04:14 AM
The problem with ps3 is the price and blu ray emphasis. If it wasn't for that it'd be killer.
that is a distinguished mentally-challenged statement

It's about as stupid as saying "The problem with the Chrylser ME412 is that it's $800,000 and it's emphasis on 4 turbo's. If it wasn't for that, it'd be killer."

BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE HUGE SELLING POINT! You're forgetting that Cell doesn't come cheap either Himurokoken.

That's the problem. They shop it around as a goddamn blu ray player rather than a game machine. That was their first mistake. If blu ray wasn't in ps3, the chances of them being in this predicament would have been much lower.

And don't you dare use my old ass name.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #11 on:** May 14, 2007, 01:32:54 AM »

Mupepe: You dont get to be #1 selling console by selling for the luxury market. It WAS a stupid move on Sony's part.

Mupepe · « **Reply #12 on:** May 14, 2007, 01:49:48 AM »

Quote from: Bubblicious Panda on May 14, 2007, 01:32:54 AM

Mupepe: You dont get to be #1 selling console by selling for the luxury market. It WAS a stupid move on Sony's part.

i didn't say it wasn't a stupid move though most starburst for me

Himu · « **Reply #13 on:** May 14, 2007, 01:53:21 AM »

Then why is my post such a distinguished mentally-challenged statement? Blu ray is the main reason it costs so much in the first place.

Ichirou · « **Reply #14 on:** May 14, 2007, 02:25:58 AM »

If PS3 had been released at $400 without the shortages, it would be in the lead right now. As it is, it's never going to catch up.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #15 on:** May 14, 2007, 02:29:32 AM »

Yeah huge PS3 shortages, was a really serious issue for Sony

The Sceneman · « **Reply #16 on:** May 14, 2007, 02:33:04 AM »

oh and Im getting this shirt:

Ichirou · « **Reply #17 on:** May 14, 2007, 02:41:41 AM »

Quote from: Scenester on May 14, 2007, 02:29:32 AM

Yeah huge PS3 shortages, was a really serious issue for Sony

Uh, it was a huge issue last Christmas. Now, not so much ('cuz nobody wants one).

Cheebs · « **Reply #18 on:** May 14, 2007, 08:52:20 AM »

By the time a price drop happens it will be too late. Most big titles either aren't coming to it or going multiplatform because of early bad sales, because of this it makes it very hard if not impossible for it to get going.

And when the price drop does finally happen it will be too late. It is basically unheard of for a system to leap frog ahead after over a year of really bad sales.

Even when PSP was beating DS in America DS always still had the bigger installed based and the PSP outpacing it only lasted from about april through august with an occasional month here and there of better sales.

The only example of a system jumping ahead late in life is SNES in America. But even then Genesis and SNES were always very close. Unlike PS3 and say Wii. And SNES had a commanding lead in Japan the whole time so it always had a healthy supply of third party support to bank on it, the PS3...not so much.

In all it is rather simple to see why PS3 failed. Expensive price at launch = bad early sales. Bad early sales = lack of third party support. Lack of third party support = continued bad sales. It is a cycle impossible to get out off.

Will sony be able to fix their image for PS4? If PS3 continues at this GCN like third place in sales, I doubt it. They will have tarnished their name making people unlikely to "trust" their new system much like N64 to GCN. It would take a Wii like company overhaul and image restructering down to its core like Nintendo did to fix this.

Microsoft is DAMN lucky. Wii being in the lead and PS3 flopping leaves a LARGE "niche"(I realize calling it a large niche is silly) for the more graphic heavy epic western and eastern games. Which have no place to go but 360.

Also PS3's fall lineup is ABSURD. How do they expect to sell systems? MGS 4 looks to be pushed back to 2008. FF XIII had no hope of being released this fall, at least in America. I mean what do they have left? Microsoft will have Mass Effect & Halo 3. Nintendo will have Mario Galaxy & Smash Brothers. What the fuck Sony.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #19 on:** May 14, 2007, 09:40:09 AM »

Microsoft is doing A LOT of things right, aside from the faulty hardware, its not just luck. XBL cannot be beat, for example.

As for the PSP, it sells 'well enough' and honestly is LESS of a flop than the PS3. With games AND hardware for handhelds costing less than consoles by a large margin these days there is definately room for two handhelds in the running, even if the PSP sits permenantly at #2. Unfortunately reality suggests they will gut the PSP scene if the PS3 scene gets tough enough.

Powerslave · « **Reply #20 on:** May 14, 2007, 09:59:51 AM »

Sony always wins baby, you can't beat Sony.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #21 on:** May 14, 2007, 10:34:51 AM »

Sony beats itself

tiesto · « **Reply #22 on:** May 14, 2007, 10:59:05 AM »

Quote from: Bubblicious Panda on May 14, 2007, 09:40:09 AM

Microsoft is doing A LOT of things right, aside from the faulty hardware, its not just luck. XBL cannot be beat, for example.

As for the PSP, it sells 'well enough' and honestly is LESS of a flop than the PS3. With games AND hardware for handhelds costing less than consoles by a large margin these days there is definately room for two handhelds in the running, even if the PSP sits permenantly at #2. Unfortunately reality suggests they will gut the PSP scene if the PS3 scene gets tough enough.

Aren't they actually turning a profit on the PSP?

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #23 on:** May 14, 2007, 11:08:03 AM »

That I don't know. I'd like to think the PSP will stick around in the handheld market. Ive never understood the idea Nintendo Handheld fans have that the handheld market is only big enough for one really popular one. I think it has to do with NFans being able to say that Nintendo clearly 'won' somewhere. Usually the Nintendo consoles only win 'in spirit' in that Nintendo fans make a lot of excuses to explain playing the same line-up with every new console the first two years.

I easily support both PSP and DS. I spend much more on the console side of things since I have a 360/ps2/ps3 right now.

Cheebs · « **Reply #24 on:** May 14, 2007, 11:09:13 AM »

Quote from: Bubblicious Panda on May 14, 2007, 09:40:09 AM

Microsoft is doing A LOT of things right, aside from the faulty hardware, its not just luck. XBL cannot be beat, for example.

I agree fully. Don't get me wrong MS has done a lot right and for that it is my main console this generation.

But you have to agree, MS got pretty damn lucky. PS3 falling hard and Wii being the leader left a HUUUUUUGE gaping hole for an audience for the more epic graphic heavy games that 360 is the only viable platform for leading it to have a much better library than Xbox ever hoped for.

Quote from: Powerslave on May 14, 2007, 09:59:51 AM

Sony always wins baby, you can't beat Sony.

Excep DS beat PSP and Wii and 360 beat PS3 and will continue to do so. You "couldn't beat" Nintendo either from 1985-1996! Things change, the playstation name no longer makes something a viable market leader.

Himu · « **Reply #25 on:** May 14, 2007, 11:17:23 AM »

MS did get lucky, just like Sony got lucky 10 years ago.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #26 on:** May 14, 2007, 11:18:06 AM »

MS suffered through the XBox, nothing lucky about that. Microsoft was willing to play a close third if it had to this generation too, but it brought awesome stuff to the plate anyway.

I think what its really coming down to is that Microsoft is showing developers that you can develop games without pulling teeth, and produce results that are just as impressive for lower cost.

Powerslave · « **Reply #27 on:** May 14, 2007, 11:22:19 AM »

Quote from: Cheebs

Excep DS beat PSP and Wii and 360 beat PS3 and will continue to do so. You "couldn't beat" Nintendo either from 1985-1996! Things change, the playstation name no longer makes something a viable market leader.

Have you seen the PS3? That shit is slick, its nice black.

Cheebs · « **Reply #28 on:** May 14, 2007, 11:33:23 AM »

Quote from: Powerslave on May 14, 2007, 11:22:19 AM

Quote from: Cheebs
Excep DS beat PSP and Wii and 360 beat PS3 and will continue to do so. You "couldn't beat" Nintendo either from 1985-1996! Things change, the playstation name no longer makes something a viable market leader.

Have you seen the PS3? That shit is slick, its nice black.

you are just being silly for the sake of being silly now

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #29 on:** May 14, 2007, 12:27:44 PM »

UNLESS

Ichirou · « **Reply #30 on:** May 15, 2007, 01:15:46 AM »

Powerslave being Chad Warden would explain a lot.

bork · « **Reply #31 on:** May 15, 2007, 02:19:31 AM »

I think it's still too early to tell. It's only been about six months, and both the PS3 and the Wii have yet to get out the post-launch "big" games.

PSP isn't going anywhere either. It still sells well enough...too many people on the internets think every console is going to go down in flames at one point or another.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #32 on:** May 15, 2007, 02:20:48 AM »

360 had way more to offer out of the gate and a brighter future at 6 months.

bork · « **Reply #33 on:** May 15, 2007, 02:23:48 AM »

Quote from: Bubblicious Panda on May 15, 2007, 02:20:48 AM

360 had way more to offer out of the gate and a brighter future at 6 months.

Did it really? It had like three games everybody went fucking crazy over and that was about it. Every system has that bad first year full of software droughts.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #34 on:** May 15, 2007, 03:14:21 AM »

hasnt Sony lost a ridiculous amount of bread on the PS3 already?

Beezy · « **Reply #35 on:** May 15, 2007, 03:35:29 AM »

Quote from: lyte edge on May 15, 2007, 02:19:31 AM

I think it's still too early to tell.

lol

bork · « **Reply #36 on:** May 15, 2007, 04:27:40 AM »

Quote from: Beezy on May 15, 2007, 03:35:29 AM

Quote from: lyte edge on May 15, 2007, 02:19:31 AM
I think it's still too early to tell.

lol

Let's save this and look at it again in another six months.

Scurvy Stan · « **Reply #37 on:** May 15, 2007, 04:40:14 AM »

The "games of 2007" thread pretty much raps it up in a nutshell for me.

Ichirou · « **Reply #38 on:** May 15, 2007, 04:58:57 AM »

Quote from: lyte edge on May 15, 2007, 04:27:40 AM

Quote from: Beezy on May 15, 2007, 03:35:29 AM
Quote from: lyte edge on May 15, 2007, 02:19:31 AM
I think it's still too early to tell.

lol

Let's save this and look at it again in another six months.

I'll bump this thread on December and we'll see where the PS3 is at by that point.

Powerslave · « **Reply #39 on:** May 15, 2007, 06:44:20 AM »

Quote from: Ichirou on May 15, 2007, 01:15:46 AM

Powerslave being Chad Warden would explain a lot.

Witty and intelligent as usual I see.

Ichirou · « **Reply #40 on:** May 15, 2007, 07:18:19 AM »

Quote from: Powerslave on May 15, 2007, 06:44:20 AM

Quote from: Ichirou on May 15, 2007, 01:15:46 AM
Powerslave being Chad Warden would explain a lot.

Witty and intelligent as usual I see.

Paranoid and racist as usual, I see.

Powerslave · « **Reply #41 on:** May 15, 2007, 07:20:01 AM »

Oops using brainless remarks again I see.

Cheebs · « **Reply #42 on:** May 15, 2007, 08:46:35 AM »

Quote from: lyte edge on May 15, 2007, 04:27:40 AM

Quote from: Beezy on May 15, 2007, 03:35:29 AM
Quote from: lyte edge on May 15, 2007, 02:19:31 AM
I think it's still too early to tell.

lol

Let's save this and look at it again in another six months.

In 6 months it will be fall. And PS3 has no games this fall. Other than like Heavenly Sword. I mean come on. No FF, no MGS...

And you compare it to Wii. There is a difference. With no games Wii outsells both 360 and PS3 every month.

PS3 with no games can't even outsell GBA.

Beezy · « **Reply #43 on:** May 15, 2007, 08:58:10 AM »

Quote from: Cheebs on May 15, 2007, 08:46:35 AM

In 6 months it will be fall. And PS3 has no games this fall. Other than like Heavenly Sword. I mean come on. No FF, no MGS...

And you compare it to Wii. There is a difference. With no games Wii outsells both 360 and PS3 every month.

PS3 with no games can't even outsell GBA.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #44 on:** May 15, 2007, 09:14:09 AM »

Sony doesnt have three games everyone is going crazy about.

Beezy · « **Reply #45 on:** May 15, 2007, 09:22:06 AM »

Well, they don't have 3 exclusives. Losing DMC and especially GTA was bad. Last gen everyone called Xbox a Halo adapter. At the same time, most people that I knew got a PS2 when GTA3 got popular or when one of the later GTA games came out.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #46 on:** May 15, 2007, 09:29:06 AM »

There aren't 3 GAMES period lol. I own vf5 and thats it, everything else is a middling sports title or generic fps.

Ichirou · « **Reply #47 on:** May 15, 2007, 09:34:42 AM »

Quote from: Powerslave on May 15, 2007, 07:20:01 AM

Oops using brainless remarks again I see.

Oops, denying facts again, I see.

Go back to GAF, bitch. We're all stocked up on crazy here.

Powerslave · « **Reply #48 on:** May 15, 2007, 09:47:53 AM »

Labeling an almost entire nation as racist for denying claims whoops.

Ichirou · « **Reply #49 on:** May 15, 2007, 09:57:38 AM »

Quote from: Powerslave on May 15, 2007, 09:47:53 AM

Labeling Powerslave as racist for denying history whoops.

Fixed. You ran away from the argument in the other thread with your tail between your legs after getting owned so badly. You sicken me.

EDIT: I bumped the other thread so you can post and keep getting owned over there, you coward. Or are you going to keep trying to move the argument over to GAF where conspiracy theorist Remedy (who believes the Illuminati control the US and that 9/11 was an inside job) can help you reinforce your wacky beliefs?

Powerslave · « **Reply #50 on:** May 15, 2007, 10:04:20 AM »

Except that we were going in circles again and after I pretty much explained my final stance you guys still went on with the name-calling and ignoring how much of your claims about me was wrong. There was no point in replying.
Also 'fixed' my ass. You hate me for my stance and about 65 million other Turks have the same one as me. Way to go Turk-hater whoops.

oh snap i guess this is the part where the paranoia steps in

Ichirou · « **Reply #51 on:** May 15, 2007, 10:06:57 AM »

Wait, what was your final stance again? Oh, that's right, "I don't believe in any facts! I just believe some badly written Geocities websites!!!!" You dumb racist.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #52 on:** May 15, 2007, 10:33:39 AM »

PS3 is still sucking.

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Author Topic: So, the PS3... (Read 4564 times)