Author Topic: Why was Superman Returns hated? (Read 2042 times)

etiolate · « **on:** May 18, 2007, 03:25:59 AM »

I finally watched this. I got to say I don't get the hate. Is it because people expect Superhero movies to be nothing but action? You realize the idea of Superman is outdated and one dimensional. You HAD to give him a personality and I think they did that here. Plus, theres more to dig from it than just Superhero bonanza. I don't even understand the emoman talk. Yeah, he cared what happened to his old girlfriend... so what? If he didn't care, if they made this movie and had Superman come back out as one dimensional and flawless character, only the dumbest would have bought into it. Superman is one of my least liked superheros and I enjoyed this movie. I even enjoyed the "Do we still need God?" subtext.

Vizzys · « **Reply #1 on:** May 18, 2007, 03:27:22 AM »

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #2 on:** May 18, 2007, 03:27:37 AM »

Bubububu dere's no super bad guys where is teh action omg

Superman Returns: 8.5/10

SR>X1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>X2>>X3

Ichirou · « **Reply #3 on:** May 18, 2007, 03:28:23 AM »

It was overwhelmingly mediocre.

Scurvy Stan · « **Reply #4 on:** May 18, 2007, 03:31:47 AM »

SUPERMAN!

Bloodwake · « **Reply #5 on:** May 18, 2007, 04:02:01 AM »

Quote from: Michelle the Fibber on May 18, 2007, 03:27:37 AM

Bubububu dere's no super bad guys where is teh action omg

Superman Returns: 8.5/10

SR>X1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>X2>>X3

This is true, Superman Returns was better than ALL THREE X-men movies.

However, that still doesn't make it a great film. It was made watchable only by its visuals.

Ichirou · « **Reply #6 on:** May 18, 2007, 04:05:08 AM »

I used to like Bryan Singer but I've noticed a few things about him: he can't direct action sequences to save his life, and his movies tend to be really badly paced. The pace in Superman Returns was just glacial.

I also hear he's incredibly difficult to work with, arrives late to work, and throws tantrums on set and causes work delays. I don't know if any of these are true, though.

Mupepe · « **Reply #7 on:** May 18, 2007, 04:10:24 AM »

yeah, the pacing was bad. but i still loved the movie

Ichirou · « **Reply #8 on:** May 18, 2007, 04:14:16 AM »

I thought the movie handled the character of Lois Lane terribly, too. I didn't feel any reason why Superman would be interested in someone who would treat Clark Kent so badly. It just made Lois come off as shallow.

Cheebs · « **Reply #9 on:** May 18, 2007, 09:17:19 AM »

Quote from: Michelle the Fibber on May 18, 2007, 03:27:37 AM

Bubububu dere's no super bad guys where is teh action omg

Superman Returns: 8.5/10

SR>X1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>X2>>X3

X2 is amazing.

of the "modern" (x-men and on) super hero movies my top 5:

1. Batman Begins
2. Spider-Man 2
3. X2
4. Spider-Man/Superman Returns
5. X-Men

I don't LOVE the first x-men but its better than spidey 3(still is under-rated), daredevil, & hulk..etc

etiolate · « **Reply #10 on:** May 18, 2007, 09:25:53 AM »

Why do people like Spiderman 2? It is easily the worst Spidey film. My friends and I started MYT3King it halfway into the film.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #11 on:** May 18, 2007, 10:46:32 AM »

Sounds like you just suck at movies! Mediocre, boring Superman movies are no fun!

Cheebs · « **Reply #12 on:** May 18, 2007, 10:49:54 AM »

Quote from: etiolate on May 18, 2007, 09:25:53 AM

Why do people like Spiderman 2? It is easily the worst Spidey film. My friends and I started MYT3King it halfway into the film.

what.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #13 on:** May 18, 2007, 10:50:33 AM »

etiolate is braving into PHOENIX DARK territory. He's already casting his lot with Superman Returns!

Solo · « **Reply #14 on:** May 18, 2007, 11:07:13 AM »

THE POWER OF THE SUN IN THE PALM OF MY HAND!

AKA thou shalt not take the name of S-M2 in vain!

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #15 on:** May 18, 2007, 11:12:25 AM »

Superman returns wasw distinguished mentally-challenged. Lex is a shitty bad guy, let superman fight someone his own strength like Brainiac or doomsday.

Not to mention that superman didnt throw a single punch in the fucking movie.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #16 on:** May 18, 2007, 11:37:46 AM »

How many times does the Superman Origin have to be told? We get the fucking point already .... get to the villains and storylines. The character has 50 years worth and you're still stuck on the origin?!

People bag on X-men 3 ... at least it was short and to the point. If you didn't like it, fine. At least it didn't keep you waiting for SOMETHING to happen for 2 1/2 hours like SR does. Jesus christ. This isn't Ghandi or Gone with the Wind .. this is a comic book movie, get to the fucking point already.

TVC15 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 18, 2007, 11:59:39 AM »

Superman Returns was a chick flick. A long and boring, overly sentimental chick flick.

Himu · « **Reply #18 on:** May 18, 2007, 12:06:49 PM »

Superman sucks period.

Yeti · « **Reply #19 on:** May 18, 2007, 12:09:26 PM »

the only good part of the movie was the part where he stopped the airplane from crashing. And I say this as someone who has three Superman t-shirts.

Cheebs · « **Reply #20 on:** May 18, 2007, 12:17:09 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on May 18, 2007, 12:06:49 PM

Superman sucks period.

Superman: The Motion Picture and Superman II (the donner cut) are some of the greatest super hero films period.

Himu · « **Reply #21 on:** May 18, 2007, 12:22:31 PM »

I'm talking about him as a hero, his comic book, and most definitely him as a character.

Superman sucks and is boring as shit.

Eduardo24 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 18, 2007, 12:24:31 PM »

The first movie has not aged well. It looks terrible. The second one is good though.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #23 on:** May 18, 2007, 12:56:08 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on May 18, 2007, 12:22:31 PM

I'm talking about him as a hero, his comic book, and most definitely him as a character.

Superman sucks and is boring as shit.

Confirmed.

He's just a boring character, IMO. "He's Superman! He can do just about anything! He's pretty much invincible except for chunks of his old planet! Also, he's such a gosh darn SWELL person!"

Booooooring. That's a caricature, not a character.

Eduardo24 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 18, 2007, 01:01:09 PM »

^^

Not really. People think he is invincible (sans kryptonite) because of the movies, but he actually gets hurt A LOT. He is far from being invincible, he is just a super guy in a universe full of superguys that can hit as hard as him. You can own superman with magic as well.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #25 on:** May 18, 2007, 01:17:42 PM »

Quote from: Eduardo24 on May 18, 2007, 01:01:09 PM

^^

Not really. People think he is invincible (sans kryptonite) because of the movies, but he actually gets hurt A LOT. He is far from being invincible, he is just a super guy in a universe full of superguys that can hit as hard as him. You can own superman with magic as well.

YAWN. He's still boring as fuck.

Cyanista · « **Reply #26 on:** May 18, 2007, 03:27:20 PM »

Quote from: Billy Rygar on May 18, 2007, 02:12:48 PM

Look at how sad Superman is. Maybe we should buy him a present.

This is, in a nutshell, what was wrong with this movie. Superman is cliched, the boy scout, the savior from another world. . .the only thing that makes him work is that he's supposed to be a symbol of hope.

I don't like him being fucking emo.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #27 on:** May 18, 2007, 06:18:17 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on May 18, 2007, 09:17:19 AM

Quote from: Michelle the Fibber on May 18, 2007, 03:27:37 AM
Bubububu dere's no super bad guys where is teh action omg

Superman Returns: 8.5/10

SR>X1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>X2>>X3
X2 is amazing.

of the "modern" (x-men and on) super hero movies my top 5:

1. Batman Begins
2. Spider-Man 2
3. X2
4. Spider-Man/Superman Returns
5. X-Men

I don't LOVE the first x-men but its better than spidey 3(still is under-rated), daredevil, & hulk..etc

X1 was quite disappointing to me as a hardcore X-Men fan. I loved the beginning of the movie, but by the time it ended I was rather underwhelmed. It's not horrible by any means imo. X2 on the other hand is quite bad. I can't really watch the movies anymore because they marked the end of my comic collecting (well the first one did). God damn Claremont and you're stupid Neo mutants bullshit

Spiderman 3>Superman Returns tho. SP3 was very fun imo, and I wouldn't put it in the Hulk/Daredevil/LOEG class of suckyness

Cheebs · « **Reply #28 on:** May 18, 2007, 06:20:42 PM »

I never read a comic book in my life by then (well probably one or two) and my comic book knowledge was the batman movies and vague memories of occasionally watching the cartoon so I had no nostalgia or knowledge hanging over the movie for me.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #29 on:** May 18, 2007, 06:29:52 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on May 18, 2007, 06:20:42 PM

I never read a comic book in my life by then (well probably one or two) and my comic book knowledge was the batman movies and vague memories of occasionally watching the cartoon so I had no nostalgia or knowledge hanging over the movie for me.

When you have a love for characters, it hurts even more when you see them treated poorly. I hated seeing Storm totally invalidated, for instance. The sad thing is that they got some characters soo right though - like Xavier and especially Magneto, who was amazing

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #30 on:** May 18, 2007, 06:39:53 PM »

Goddamn you have terrible taste Michelle. I mean, that knowledge is always there in the back of my head, but it's so terrible in it's implications that you can't really fully comprehend it- and then the next piece of proof comes along, and you suddenly remember every other single offense against good taste that the offender has made...

Time travel should be invented just to stop you from existing, basically.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #31 on:** May 18, 2007, 06:46:11 PM »

So when I say anything that you agree with I get attacked, and when I say anything you don't agree with I get attacked. $:-\$

etiolate · « **Reply #32 on:** May 18, 2007, 08:44:02 PM »

Quote from: Raoul Duke on May 18, 2007, 12:56:08 PM

Quote from: Himuro on May 18, 2007, 12:22:31 PM
I'm talking about him as a hero, his comic book, and most definitely him as a character.

Superman sucks and is boring as shit.

Confirmed.

He's just a boring character, IMO. "He's Superman! He can do just about anything! He's pretty much invincible except for chunks of his old planet! Also, he's such a gosh darn SWELL person!"

Booooooring. That's a caricature, not a character.

But thats what I thought they did well with SR, made him less boring, gave him some more real character.

Also, I don't understand this mentality where Superhero movies must be pure action. They are superheroes, not punch junkees. That 'just fight shit' mentality ruined the X-men comics during the 90s.They need to be human, and superhuman in other ways.

Ichirou · « **Reply #33 on:** May 18, 2007, 08:46:26 PM »

Personally, I like the idea of a simple person having to confront a complex, changing world. Alan Moore handled this pretty well with Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?. Superman can be done right, and be an interesting character - it's just pretty tough.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #34 on:** May 18, 2007, 10:50:17 PM »

It was possibly the most boring take on superman I've ever seen. Let's make him a father, but no let's not show how he would be a father figure. Let's make him near death, for two seconds. And the ending was really horrible, Lex's punishement for trying to kill millions is eating dog.

Scurvy Stan · « **Reply #35 on:** May 18, 2007, 11:23:57 PM »

Quote from: Eduardo24 on May 18, 2007, 01:01:09 PM

You can own superman with magic as well.

This is like the nerdiest statement I've ever read.

Ichirou · « **Reply #36 on:** May 18, 2007, 11:46:09 PM »

Quote from: am nintenho on May 18, 2007, 10:50:17 PM

It was possibly the most boring take on superman I've ever seen. Let's make him a father, but no let's not show how he would be a father figure. Let's make him near death, for two seconds. And the ending was really horrible, Lex's punishement for trying to kill millions

BILLIONS!

Himu · « **Reply #37 on:** May 18, 2007, 11:53:12 PM »

Quote from: etiolate on May 18, 2007, 08:44:02 PM

Quote from: Raoul Duke on May 18, 2007, 12:56:08 PM
Quote from: Himuro on May 18, 2007, 12:22:31 PM
I'm talking about him as a hero, his comic book, and most definitely him as a character.

Superman sucks and is boring as shit.

Confirmed.

He's just a boring character, IMO. "He's Superman! He can do just about anything! He's pretty much invincible except for chunks of his old planet! Also, he's such a gosh darn SWELL person!"

Booooooring. That's a caricature, not a character.

But thats what I thought they did well with SR, made him less boring, gave him some more real character.

Also, I don't understand this mentality where Superhero movies must be pure action. They are superheroes, not punch junkees. That 'just fight shit' mentality ruined the X-men comics during the 90s.They need to be human, and superhuman in other ways.

I haven't seen Superman Returns but for some reason I just highly doubt they managed to make the most boring mainstream super hero of all time INTERESTING out of the blue.

Scurvy Stan · « **Reply #38 on:** May 18, 2007, 11:53:35 PM »

FACT: Superman Returns was lame.

Lhadatt · « **Reply #39 on:** May 19, 2007, 12:38:28 AM »

Superman sucks in any non-comics medium except animation. The Max Flischer shorts and the whole DC Animated universe is good stuff.

Yeti · « **Reply #40 on:** May 20, 2007, 02:29:03 PM »

Superman was awesome in the animated series and he had some good parts in the Justice League Cartoons. Like when he fought Captain Marvel.

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #41 on:** May 20, 2007, 03:31:05 PM »

Probably because it was boring and sucked? That seems to be the most popular reason from people I've talked to. It was also like four and a half hours long and had 1.5 action sequences.

Disposable White Guy · « **Reply #42 on:** May 20, 2007, 06:05:49 PM »

I loved Superman Returns all the way up to the space shuttle sequence. There was a nice mixture of lonely, emotional Superman and OMFG HE CAN STILL DO SUPER STUFF CUZ HES FUCKIN SUPERMAN Superman. Everything after that sequence, though, just made me feel like I was watching a really long episode of Smallville. That's not a good thing, despite what Smallville fans will tell you.

Totally agree with the lack of action sentiments. I mean, five movies, whars teh fukken

Ichirou · « **Reply #43 on:** May 20, 2007, 08:25:53 PM »

We'll never see something like Darkseid in a Superman movie. The whole Apokolips/New Genesis mythos are too fantastical for a Superman movie. At most, we'll get Zod, Brainiac, Metallo, Doomsday, or one of Superman's other "heavy-hitting" enemies.

It's okay, though. Darkseid was really well-represented in the Superman animated series and JLU, IMO.

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Author Topic: Why was Superman Returns hated? (Read 2042 times)