NPD Numbers blah blah blah in here

[Cheebs]

1. DS - 423k
2. WII - 338k
3. PSP - ?
4. PS2 - ?
5. X360 - 155k
6. PS3 - 81k


360 () and PS3 both dropped while Wii and DS continue to have a stranglehold on all regions. Same as it has always been this year. Oh and Mario Party sold insanely well with like 2 days of sales.

Console wise it looks to be set in stone unless something major happens: Wii waaaay in the lead, 360 in a distant second () and PS3 in a absurdly distant third.

1. Pokemon Diamond—DS—Nintendo
2. Mario Party 8—Wii—Nintendo
3. Spider-Man 3—PS2—Activision
4. Pokemon Pearl—DS—Nintendo
5. Wii Play w/remote—Wii—Nintendo
6. Forza Motorsport 2—Xbox 360—Microsoft
7. Guitar Hero II w/guitar—Xbox 360—Activision
8. Spider-Man 3—Xbox 360—Activision
9. Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars—Xbox 360—Electronic Arts
10. Guitar Hero II w/guitar—PS2—Activision

[Eduardo24]

Where did you get those HW numbers?

[bluemax]

They're up on GAF now.

[hyp]

nice to see PSP up there.

[Cheebs]

nice to see PSP up there.

PSP is quite a interesting platform. It has solid hardware sales yet some of the worst software numbers of any recent system. It hasn't had a single title in the top 20 overall software sales in over a year. People keep buying the system but no games, its confusing.

[ToxicAdam]

NPD numbers are kind of meaningless until the fall. I mean, when your console has the potential to move 1 million units in 30 days, these numbers are insignificant in comparison.


I think it's funny that Sony is teasing a price drop, when it won't even make a difference to the average consumer. If the 360 is only selling 150k @ 399$ w/ a ton of games ... how will a $499 console w/few games sell?

[BlueTsunami]

Sony really needs to drop the price of the PS3. Even I'm not touching it till it hits $400

[Beezy]

nice to see PSP up there.

PSP is quite a interesting platform. It has solid hardware sales yet some of the worst software numbers of any recent system. It hasn't had a single title in the top 20 overall software sales in over a year. People keep buying the system but no games, its confusing.

No it's not. It's so easy to pirate shit with the PSP.

[futami]

NPD numbers are kind of meaningless until the fall. I mean, when your console has the potential to move 1 million units in 30 days, these numbers are insignificant in comparison.


I think it's funny that Sony is teasing a price drop, when it won't even make a difference to the average consumer. If the 360 is only selling 150k @ 399$ w/ a ton of games ... how will a $499 console w/few games sell?

probably because most holdouts are ps2 owners waiting for the ps3 to drop to an affordable -- manageable -- price.

thing is, and i may be wrong, sony looks to just not care about how the ps3 is performing.

it's almost as if this is something they've anticipated, the psp and ps2 serving as the contingency plan, and they're going to make a slow but steady crawl with the ps3.

the 360 has no contingency plan.

[Beezy]

the 360 has no contingency plan.

Games actually sell on the 360.

[futami]

the 360 has no contingency plan.

Games actually sell on the 360.

regardless, sony's making more revenue off the ps2 and psp, both of which looking to continue their impressive performance.

360 has nothing to fall back on.

sony does need to drop the price, but i don't see them dropping it this year.

arrogant nips.

[Himu]

You guys are forgetting what was said last month. If Sony sells less than 100k for three months in a row, developers will shift emphasis from ps3 to 360 and make their games 360 exclusive.

This was the second month.

[Himu]

360! GTAIV DOWNLOAD CONTENT AND CRACKDOWN

I just got a second job so I'll have enough money for my room make over + 360 + hdtv by mid July!

[demi]

Crackdown sucks

[futami]

You guys are forgetting what was said last month. If Sony sells less than 100k for three months in a row, developers will shift emphasis from ps3 to 360 and make their games 360 exclusive.

This was the second month.

and it's great for gamers to ignore the technology housed within the ps3 and develop exclusively for the 360, right?

are you guys gamers, or are you corporate-whores?

let me know.

[Yeti]

You guys are forgetting what was said last month. If Sony sells less than 100k for three months in a row, developers will shift emphasis from ps3 to 360 and make their games 360 exclusive.

This was the second month.

Have developers actually gone on the record saying this or is that just speculation?

[bud]

NPD numbers are kind of meaningless until the fall. I mean, when your console has the potential to move 1 million units in 30 days, these numbers are insignificant in comparison.


I think it's funny that Sony is teasing a price drop, when it won't even make a difference to the average consumer. If the 360 is only selling 150k @ 399$ w/ a ton of games ... how will a $499 console w/few games sell?

the 360 is selling worse now that the elite ($479) is out 

they have 3 sku's now while they could just have one, the premium.

[futami]

You guys are forgetting what was said last month. If Sony sells less than 100k for three months in a row, developers will shift emphasis from ps3 to 360 and make their games 360 exclusive.

This was the second month.

ps3 has lapped the 360 in japan, and it's approaching the 360's installed base in europe.

the only area where the ps3 is struggling, compared to the 360, is north america.

[The Fake Shemp]

the 360 is selling worse now that the elite ($479) is out 

they have 3 sku's now while they could just have one, the premium.

That has nothing to do with it - the Elite itself is sold out.  If Microsoft had put out more units that would've sold more Elites.  I think the Elite did hurt them in one way, though.  Instead of purchasing a Premium or even a Core, a lot of folks have opted to wait for an Elite, but there are none available.

[ToxicAdam]

I call bullshit on there being some sort of imaginary consumer waiting for more Elites on the shelf. The people still waiting to 'jump in" are waiting for a price drop ... not a price increase for a few meaningless extras (to the casual gamer).

We'll never get hard numbers, but I would bet 80% of those elite sales are your hardcore 360 user. The Agent Icebeezy-types who buy everything MS throws at them.

[bud]

agent icebeezy bought every 360 launch game

[Fragamemnon]

I think there may be some pent-up demand for the elite, but I don't think that it would cause a huge spike in sales if there was wide supply.

I don't think any of these NPDs mean all that much until the holidays, when systems move with far greater volumes and the third parties will be making strong showings on both the 360 and PS3, because third party software companies need a good PS3 and 360 base to sell their software to. Their software isn't going to sell on the Wii, at least not at the levels they could expect with a healthy next-gen userbase.

[Cheebs]

I think there may be some pent-up demand for the elite, but I don't think that it would cause a huge spike in sales if there was wide supply.

I don't think any of these NPDs mean all that much until the holidays, when systems move with far greater volumes and the third parties will be making strong showings on both the 360 and PS3, because third party software companies need a good PS3 and 360 base to sell their software to. Their software isn't going to sell on the Wii, at least not at the levels they could expect with a healthy next-gen userbase.

From someone at gaf:

Third party software  % sold compared to first party sold on the platform:

360: 65% of software sold is third party
Wii: 25% of software sold is third party
PS3: 15% of software sold is third party

Ironically PS3 is the most first party dominated platform in terms of sales of its games.

[tiesto]

A few of my friends are waiting on their 360's for a price drop (Wii + 360 seem to be the way they're going, this gen). MS would be doing much better numbers methinks if they didn't go with the multi SKUs. Most people do at least a BIT of research before investing $300+ into a product, and even your average NASCAR lovin' Big Mouth Billy Bass buyin' 'murkin will realize that the Core is pointless. At least with the Elite, MS should've fixed the overheating problems... then they'd probably sell a bit to frustrated 360 buyers. I've seen Elites around Lawn Guyland, at Best Buys and Targets and such, doesn't seem nearly as scarce to me as the Wii does. Then again, we have a very "cost conscious" demographic 'round here. I dunno if the larger harddrive and HDMI is really that essential... though I should talk, my HD is down to 2.7 gigs of space... time to delete some of these demos and XBLA demos methinks

Its nice to see the Wii do well, though. The system gets its flack but I enjoy it, even though its kinda just sitting there while I play PS2, waiting for the day Brawl and Galaxy come out.

[Fragamemnon]

From someone at gaf:

Third party software  % sold compared to first party sold on the platform:

360: 65% of software sold is third party
Wii: 25% of software sold is third party
PS3: 15% of software sold is third party

Ironically PS3 is the most first party dominated platform in terms of sales of its games.

If there was any question of overlap between the userbase of the PS3 and 360, I think it's pretty much answered right there. Looks like everyone is buying their third party games on the 360 (achievements? Live? maybe some other reason?) and not on the PS3. Weird.

[bluemax]

From someone at gaf:

Third party software  % sold compared to first party sold on the platform:

360: 65% of software sold is third party
Wii: 25% of software sold is third party
PS3: 15% of software sold is third party

Ironically PS3 is the most first party dominated platform in terms of sales of its games.

If there was any question of overlap between the userbase of the PS3 and 360, I think it's pretty much answered right there. Looks like everyone is buying their third party games on the 360 (achievements? Live? maybe some other reason?) and not on the PS3. Weird.

I'm betting Live is a big reason for it. I think if I owned both at this point and a game came out with multiplayer online that I saw myself playing a lot of, I'd get it for 360. If/when PSN surpasses Live I can see this changing, but unified friends lists, Live Anywhere, knowing everyone should have a mic etc.

[Cheebs]

Most likely the number of people who own both systems are so statistacally non-existant they could have no effect on those numbers.

[hyp]

regardless, sony's making more revenue off the ps2 and psp, both of which looking to continue their impressive performance.

weren't the last set of financial results poor for sony's gaming branch?

oh hey there DC.

[hyp]

You guys are forgetting what was said last month. If Sony sells less than 100k for three months in a row, developers will shift emphasis from ps3 to 360 and make their games 360 exclusive.

This was the second month.

ps3 has lapped the 360 in japan, and it's approaching the 360's installed base in europe.

the only area where the ps3 is struggling, compared to the 360, is north america.

so what happens when the PS3 drops its price and the 360 does the same?  don't think there's much the PS3 could do at this point to catch up WW.

[futami]

lol @ the ps3 not catching up to the 360 WW.

crack is wack.

in 5 years, it'll be fun to return to these threads, where you pricks enjoy a few laughs over the ps3 flagging sales.

assuming this forum is around in 5 years..heh.

i can't, for the life of me, understand why people actually want the 360 to outsell the ps3.

christ..gamers, my ass.

[Cheebs]

lol @ the ps3 not catching up to the 360 WW.

i can't, for the life of me, understand why people actually want the 360 to outsell the ps3.

better games and to not support a $600 price tag....?

[futami]

lol @ the ps3 not catching up to the 360 WW.

i can't, for the life of me, understand why people actually want the 360 to outsell the ps3.

better games and to not support a $600 price tag....?

more != better

the experience, were developers using it as the lead platform, would be far better.

that's just a fact, looking at the systems' exclusive offerings.

graphics, sound, gameplay -- everything.

which, again, begs the question..why do people want the ps3 to fail?

you actually want its potential untapped?

you're not gamers.

you're fanboys.

[futami]

wanting to see the ps3's potential realized is stupid?

where do the losers come from?

[ananus]

i can't see all these interesting x360 games everyone speaks of. i see basically the same games that didn't sell me on an xbox.

not that the ps3 has anything at all, but it at least doesn't break once a month, doesn't need overpriced hdds and doesn't force you to pay to play p2p. i doubt sony enforces microtransactions as much as ms too.

[Van Cruncheon]

the ps3's potential -- if it has any noteworthy potential beyond the 360 -- is purely academic. the 360 has potential in certain areas beyond the PS3, and the difference is likewise academic. was that the response you wanted, futami?

me, i build mega PCs because i am not a filthy disgusting poor.

[futami]

Some of the better gamers on this board will have dx10 capable computers soon so wanting to see the untapped potential of outdated hardware would simply be academic.

well, now you're inserting qualifications that are unnecessary.

some of us don't have dx10 enabled computers, and we'd like to see the most powerful console exploited to its fullest.

right now, because of its poor sales, that isn't happening.

we're stuck, like many were last gen, with watered down multiplatform effortts that aren't worth shit in the next-gen sense (as far as i'm concerned).

[futami]

the ps3's potential -- if it has any noteworthy potential beyond the 360 -- is purely academic. the 360 has potential in certain areas beyond the 360, and the difference is likewise academic. was that the response you wanted, futami?

me, i build mega PCs because i am not a filthy disgusting poor.

i don't know why i'm responding to you, because you're not same man you were a few years ago.

a couple years ago, you railed against the kind of idiocy regularly exhibited by the xbot contingent.

now, for whatever reason, you've decided to join in the cretinous fun, saying things that would have been completely alien to the doug of yore.

the ps3's potential isn't purely academic, or in the abstract, with games available -- and on the horizon -- that demonstrate what's achievable.

go take a look at the most recent le mans video for gt5, and tell me that shit like forza 2 is next-gen.

i know, it's only one car, but we both know that it won't look any less amazing when more cars are added.

if the ps3 leaves prematurely, and we're left with the 360, it sucks for gamers who want the best experience possible.

period.

[Cheebs]

we'd like to see the most powerful console exploited to its fullest.

So I suppose you supported Xbox more than any system of the last gen and liked PS2 the least?

[Van Cruncheon]

dude, i'm a software developer. i live in this space, and i know hardware. feel free to chat up any major third-party developer, and he'll be glad to tell you how crippled rsx is compared to xenos, and that the advantages of the CELL processor have been sorely oversold by Sony (he'll also bitch about 360 core performance, but i ain't claimin' the 360 doesn't have shortcomings as well.)

you're taking the work of a talented team with some of the best devs in the industry -- polyphony digital -- and comparing them to the work of a middling studio? (although the physics modelling used in forza 2 are frickin' amazing, nonethess; let's not downplay an accomplishment just because it doesn't make for flamewar-ready screenshots.) where's the ps3 equivalent to gears of war or lost planet? i haven't seen anything on the ps3 that looks half as good -- and i actually *own* both systems!

dude, you're the hypocrite here -- the ps2 was grossly inferior to the xbox from a technical perspective, and where were you when you were pining for the BEST EXPERIENCE POSSIBLE? not supporting the xbox, that's for sure!

i go where the games i want to play are in the greatest quantity. they're on the 360. actually, they're on the pc and the ps2, but that's not the question!

[futami]

we'd like to see the most powerful console exploited to its fullest.

So I suppose you supported Xbox more than any system of the last gen and liked PS2 the least?

my xbox saw more time than my ps2, yes.

[futami]

dude, i'm a software developer. i live in this space, and i know hardware. feel free to chat up any major third-party developer, and he'll be glad to tell you how cripped rsx is compared to xenos, and that the advantages of the CELL processor have been sorely oversold by Sony (he'll also bitch about 360 core performance, but i ain't claimin' the 360 doesn't have shortcomings as well.)

you're taking the work of a talented team with some of the best devs in the industry -- polyphony digital -- and comparing them to the work of a middling studio? (although the physics modelling used in forza 2 are frickin' amazing, nonethess; let's not downplay an accomplishment just because it doesn't make for flamewar-ready screenshots.)

dude, you're the hypocrite here -- the ps2 was grossly inferior to the xbox from a technical perspective, and where were you when you were pining for the BEST EXPERIENCE POSSIBLE? not supporting the xbox, that's for sure!

i go where the games i want to play are in the greatest quantity. they're on the 360. actually, they're on the pc and the ps2, but that's not the question!

what i'm about to say is purely subjective, i'll admit, but here goes.

if rsx is so crippled, why are the exclusive titles on the ps3 more impressive than exclusives on the 360?

when we look at the games, the difference is there and it, shane put it, is tangible.

this isn't an opinion gleaned through 4D glasses.

it's an obvious fact that people like you aren't willing to admit.

ps3 launched with f1, which topped pgr3's visuals.

genji (shit camera, but whatever), which topped its closest counterpart -- kameo.

resistance, which features an online experience (42 players, seamless framerate, zero lag) that can't be found on the 360.

look at the upcoming titles.

you're sitting there acting as if game developers can't be fanboys, that they're opinions are untainted by silly console allegiances.

i think that's bullshit.

also, on beyond3d, there are third party devs who say the rsx bests the xenos in a # of areas.

it goes both ways.

[Van Cruncheon]

what i'm about to say is purely subjective, i'll admit

.

[Himu]

You guys are forgetting what was said last month. If Sony sells less than 100k for three months in a row, developers will shift emphasis from ps3 to 360 and make their games 360 exclusive.

This was the second month.

Have developers actually gone on the record saying this or is that just speculation?

Supposedly Ubisoft is already preparing for this.

Devs would never go on record to officially make such a statement.

[bud]

haze which will be published by ubisoft just went timed exclusive for the ps3, actually.

[Himu]

haze which will be published by ubisoft just went timed exclusive for the ps3, actually.

Wasn't it a full exclusive before?

[bud]

it was a multi-platform title before.

[Himu]

I thought it was always ps3 exclusive?

[bud]

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/news/story.php?sid=6171219&part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6171219

This morning, Ubisoft revealed that the PS3 is now the "lead platform" for Free Radical's forthcoming shooter, Haze. Originally set for a release on the Xbox 360, PC, and PS3 this spring, the game will now debut solely on the PS3 this fall.

[Himu]

lmao

[Mondain]

Sales of PS3 games are great in Europe, so in spite of the lukewarm system sales in NA for now, there certainly won't be massive cancellations of third party PS3 games

[Himu]

Food for some thought: Sega Master System outsold the NES in Europe.

[tiesto]

Master System fucking rocked. Well, not really. Most of the games for the system are HORRIBLE, but there are a few awesome classics.

[Cheebs]

Wii outsells PS3 in europe kids. PS3 overall in europe had a strong launch and then fell off the map. Certain random countries still like it but europe as a whole and the major countries (UK, France, Germany...etc) are Wii country.

I believe it stands right now as (in monthly sales):


USA:
1. Wii
2. 360
3. PS3

Europe:
1. Wii
2. PS3
3. 360

Japan:
1. Wii
2. PS3
3. 360

[tiesto]

Really sucks that the 360 just isn't catching on in Europe... reasonably strong US/EU support for the 360 would be really nice.

Isn't PS3 doing really well in New Zealand (in before "sonybots = sheep" joke), Ireland, and Norway, or something like that?

[Cheebs]

Really sucks that the 360 just isn't catching on in Europe... reasonably strong US/EU support for the 360 would be really nice.

Isn't PS3 doing really well in New Zealand (in before "sonybots = sheep" joke), Ireland, and Norway, or something like that?

Like I said there are a handful of places but I mean when you have to mention NEW ZEALAND for countries you are "winning" then well you aren't winning.

[Himu]

Dcharlie: there was an article the other day that said that ps3 made record numbers, getting to 1 million units sold in Europe, topping the number for ps1 and 2.

[Cheebs]

Dcharlie: there was an article the other day that said that ps3 made record numbers, getting to 1 million units sold in Europe, topping the number for ps1 and 2.

that is due to launch numbers. After launch the thing has fallen off the map completely. 360 could potentially pull ahead of it there if software gets good enough for European tastes. But neither will top Wii in Europe obviously.

Wii will be #1 in all regions, its over with that it isn't even interesting to discuss it anymore. It's a bit more interesting to see if PS3 can hold on in Europe in second place and if PS3's slightly less worse numbers in Japan than Xbox (PS3 is doing worse than gamecube did over there lol) can help it squeek by worldwide to second. But if 360 gets back to making 200k+ a month and stops falling in USA it likely can't happen.

[Ichirou]

My mind still boggles at the notion that Nintendo is #1 again after all these years.

[futami]

in the next-gen market, 360 is #1.

nintendo has carved out another sub-market, just as they did with the DS.

the wii isn't competing with the 360 or PS3.

tiesto, why would you want the 360 to perform better in europe?

if the 360 outpaces the ps3, it means developers use it as a lead platform.

that's bad for those of us who want a true next-gen experience.

[bud]

next-gen is too expensive.