Author Topic: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster (Read 1312793 times)

Rufus · « **Reply #9000 on:** May 01, 2020, 10:28:18 AM »

What do people expect the WHO to do? Take a stand when not even most countries do? To what end?

Tripon · « **Reply #9001 on:** May 01, 2020, 11:49:20 AM »

Quote from: Rufus on May 01, 2020, 10:28:18 AM

What do people expect the WHO to do? Take a stand when not even most countries do? To what end?

To adopt better practices that will help save lives? The WHO and the world at large should study what Taiwan did right alongside other countries that was able to manage this pandemic as best as possible (South Korea, Vietnam, etc).

To all the people who are screaming open now, we never should have shut down, etc. Taiwan shown a model where they never had to 'shut down', protected their citizens by and large and was able to effectively distribute supplies to people and did it domestically.

Rufus · « **Reply #9002 on:** May 01, 2020, 12:17:15 PM »

Quote from: Tripon on May 01, 2020, 11:49:20 AM

To adopt better practices that will help save lives? The WHO and the world at large should study what Taiwan did right alongside other countries that was able to manage this pandemic as best as possible (South Korea, Vietnam, etc).

To all the people who are screaming open now, we never should have shut down, etc. Taiwan shown a model where they never had to 'shut down', protected their citizens by and large and was able to effectively distribute supplies to people and did it domestically.

I'm sure scientists at the WHO would love to co-operate with Taiwan fully and officially, but their hands are tied. If member states stood up to China first and officially recognized Taiwan as a sovereign nation, they'd have actual leverage to drop the one-China policy, but they don't, so China gets to push them around, including stone-walling them on studying the initial spread.

They can't fix this themselves. They can't even make it look good.

Nintex · « **Reply #9003 on:** May 01, 2020, 12:23:01 PM »

An organization called the World Healh Organization should focus on the health of every earthling regardless of where they live and not LARP as Spectre.

Rufus · « **Reply #9004 on:** May 01, 2020, 12:44:49 PM »

Moral grandstanding isn't going to grant them the necessary powers.

What you want/need for your fantasy is a world government.

Occam · « **Reply #9005 on:** May 01, 2020, 05:34:54 PM »

Quote from: Esch on April 30, 2020, 09:14:36 PM

https://twitter.com/huwlemmey/status/1255817355025883138

And they seem to think Hitler died in 1950.

Ghoul · « **Reply #9006 on:** May 01, 2020, 06:52:04 PM »

The update today in U.K. was so weird. Like one minute they’re talking deaths next they’re like BTW IVF open again

It was just a weird moment almost like Boris being a dad again was like I know what I’ll do to celebrate my new newest son give others the chance to have kids whilst the economy is in flames.

Weird as fuck

Nintex · « **Reply #9007 on:** May 01, 2020, 06:58:42 PM »

https://twitter.com/the_levantist/status/1256233138956709889

Tripon · « **Reply #9008 on:** May 01, 2020, 08:21:48 PM »

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1256377644146405377

Nintex · « **Reply #9009 on:** May 01, 2020, 08:31:34 PM »

Quote

Schiller thought Goudreau was naive and in over his head. He cut off all contact following the meeting, said a person close to the former White House official.

Imagine if your plot is too wild for Trump's bodyguard.

team filler · « **Reply #9010 on:** May 03, 2020, 06:58:03 PM »

https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1257053831029907456

Nintex · « **Reply #9011 on:** May 03, 2020, 06:59:33 PM »

Quote from: filler on May 03, 2020, 06:58:03 PM

https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1257053831029907456

That's what they think, what they don't know is that they're going straight to Arizona to be extra's at a Trump rally

Nintex · « **Reply #9012 on:** May 04, 2020, 08:40:24 AM »

https://twitter.com/muntazer_zaidi/status/1256764307548897280

spoiler (click to show/hide)

shoe man

[close]

team filler · « **Reply #9013 on:** May 04, 2020, 11:50:19 PM »

https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1257491295947415553

https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1257505583911108610

team filler · « **Reply #9014 on:** May 05, 2020, 12:49:32 AM »

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1257529383885176834

VomKriege · « **Reply #9015 on:** May 05, 2020, 01:16:35 AM »

Quote from: Esch on May 01, 2020, 07:44:38 PM

https://twitter.com/SamCowie84/status/1256326858737475584

I checked to see if it was the same one that wandered into the counter-CPAC event hosted by a very drunk Alex Jones but apparently not, it's his brother.

team filler · « **Reply #9016 on:** May 05, 2020, 03:14:06 AM »

https://twitter.com/taseenb/status/1257457929386672128

Momo · « **Reply #9017 on:** May 05, 2020, 02:33:36 PM »

This Venezuela thing is performatively weird and surreal.

shosta · « **Reply #9018 on:** May 05, 2020, 02:37:06 PM »

Quote from: Momo on May 05, 2020, 02:33:36 PM

This Venezuela thing is performatively weird and surreal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_affair

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The liberal elite of León was losing the struggle to unseat the conservative elite of Granada and turned for help to a San Francisco-based soldier of fortune named William Walker. Walker was known as an adventurer who sought to take control of Latin American countries with the purpose of making them a part of the United States.[2]

Walker sailed in June 1855 from California to Nicaragua with a small band of armed Californians. After some initial military setbacks, he and his liberal allies took Granada in October and set up a coalition government.
President Walker's house in Granada, Nicaragua. On October 12, 1856, during the siege of Granada, Guatemalan officer José Víctor Zavala ran under heavy fire to capture the Walker flag and bring it back to the Central American coalition army trenches shouting Filibuster bullets don't kill! Zavala survived this adventure unscathed.[3]
Representation of La Pedrada, scene of Andrés Castro overthrowing American filibuster invaders in the Battle of San Jacinto during the War of 1856 in Nicaragua. Oil on canvas painting by the Chilean painter, Luis Vergara Ahumada.

By 1856, Walker declared himself president, re-instituted slavery, and made English the official language. U.S. President Franklin Pierce recognized his Nicaraguan government.

A movement arose to expel Walker and his army. This proved to be a long and costly process. Costa Rica, Honduras, and other Central American countries united to drive Walker out in 1857.[4] During this time, Granada was burned and thousands of Central Americans lost their lives.[citation needed] The final battle of what Nicaraguans called the "National War" (1856–57) took place in the spring of 1857 in the town of Rivas, near the Costa Rican border. Walker beat off the attacks, but the effort diminished the strength and morale of his forces and he soon succumbed.

The National War made for the cooperation between the Liberal and Conservative parties, which had brought Walker to Nicaragua.

Momo · « **Reply #9019 on:** May 05, 2020, 02:39:27 PM »

Yip that's about the level of human I'm talking about

shosta · « **Reply #9020 on:** May 05, 2020, 02:44:17 PM »

Quote from: Momo on May 05, 2020, 02:39:27 PM

Yip that's about the level of human I'm talking about

as you can see, this combination of settler mentality, yahoo recklessness, and pinnacle selfishness is a uniquely american derangement

team filler · « **Reply #9021 on:** May 05, 2020, 03:04:16 PM »

trumpy is really bad at this imperialism thing

Nintex · « **Reply #9022 on:** May 05, 2020, 03:07:43 PM »

I think it's more like Putin's Russia. Private / former military dudes try to get the attention of the leader by doing things they think he wants.
This would've leaked weeks ago otherwise

team filler · « **Reply #9023 on:** May 05, 2020, 05:50:49 PM »

https://twitter.com/Garou_Hidalgo/status/1257784826872070145

Tripon · « **Reply #9024 on:** May 05, 2020, 06:00:46 PM »

https://twitter.com/JSomm_/status/1257518504233893888
https://twitter.com/uncannyafghani/status/1257649225623572485

Nintex · « **Reply #9025 on:** May 05, 2020, 06:21:45 PM »

New York Times fact checks:

Trump: "The Whole World Laughs at us"

Not the entire world laughs at the United States. For example for Syrian refugees and the very powerful Chinese military which recently celebrated a new milestone in military technology to become a global super power in the ongoing struggle against an imperialist oppressor is no laughing matter. But smaller and less powerful countries that should be afraid of the not-so powerful superpower have dismissed warnings and did indeed make jokes at the expense of the United States of America.

We rate this blatant lie 3/5 Pinocchio's

Skullfuckers Anonymous · « **Reply #9026 on:** May 05, 2020, 07:54:08 PM »

They livetweeted the invasion.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SilvercorpUsa/status/1257098586409644032

Nintex · « **Reply #9027 on:** May 05, 2020, 07:58:12 PM »

Quote from: Skullfuckers Anonymous on May 05, 2020, 07:54:08 PM

They livetweeted the invasion.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SilvercorpUsa/status/1257098586409644032

During the weekends Trump will check his mentions and retweet them.

"Thank you!"

VomKriege · « **Reply #9028 on:** May 05, 2020, 07:59:54 PM »

Not to lionize fascist Coups from the past, God knows a lot were sloppy or poorly designed and carried, but how is this even possible ?

Nintex · « **Reply #9029 on:** May 05, 2020, 08:07:39 PM »

Quote from: VomKriege on May 05, 2020, 07:59:54 PM

Not to lionize fascist Coups from the past, God knows a lot were sloppy or poorly designed and carried, but how is this even possible ?

These are the plots we know about. Imagine the stuff that has been going on behind the scenes in Trump-land for the past 3 years.

On a scale of blackmailing Zelensky to go on CNN and buying Greenland, overthrowing an embattled communist regime is hardly crazy.

team filler · « **Reply #9030 on:** May 06, 2020, 03:06:45 AM »

https://twitter.com/Peter63662755/status/1257256365644320768

Pennywise · « **Reply #9031 on:** May 06, 2020, 07:04:47 AM »

https://twitter.com/camunatas/status/1257716778257580033

https://twitter.com/iLLDieGoPCM/status/1257499616146345991

team filler · « **Reply #9032 on:** May 06, 2020, 11:10:15 AM »

VomKriege · « **Reply #9033 on:** May 06, 2020, 08:12:53 PM »

Quote from: Esch on May 06, 2020, 08:09:31 PM

https://twitter.com/brazilianboomer?s=09

Diving into this has melted my brain. I can't believe how similar brazilboomers are to ameriboomers and how so many of the same ideas translate across borders even in dumbfuck meme form.

Translator's note : Sõros means Soros.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9034 on:** May 06, 2020, 10:02:09 PM »

Boomer knows no national boundaries.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #9035 on:** May 06, 2020, 10:08:11 PM »

Quote from: hhkcvaoitsso on May 05, 2020, 02:37:06 PM

Quote from: Momo on May 05, 2020, 02:33:36 PM
This Venezuela thing is performatively weird and surreal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_affair

Quote
The liberal elite of León was losing the struggle to unseat the conservative elite of Granada and turned for help to a San Francisco-based soldier of fortune named William Walker. Walker was known as an adventurer who sought to take control of Latin American countries with the purpose of making them a part of the United States.[2]

Walker sailed in June 1855 from California to Nicaragua with a small band of armed Californians. After some initial military setbacks, he and his liberal allies took Granada in October and set up a coalition government.
President Walker's house in Granada, Nicaragua. On October 12, 1856, during the siege of Granada, Guatemalan officer José Víctor Zavala ran under heavy fire to capture the Walker flag and bring it back to the Central American coalition army trenches shouting Filibuster bullets don't kill! Zavala survived this adventure unscathed.[3]
Representation of La Pedrada, scene of Andrés Castro overthrowing American filibuster invaders in the Battle of San Jacinto during the War of 1856 in Nicaragua. Oil on canvas painting by the Chilean painter, Luis Vergara Ahumada.

By 1856, Walker declared himself president, re-instituted slavery, and made English the official language. U.S. President Franklin Pierce recognized his Nicaraguan government.

A movement arose to expel Walker and his army. This proved to be a long and costly process. Costa Rica, Honduras, and other Central American countries united to drive Walker out in 1857.[4] During this time, Granada was burned and thousands of Central Americans lost their lives.[citation needed] The final battle of what Nicaraguans called the "National War" (1856–57) took place in the spring of 1857 in the town of Rivas, near the Costa Rican border. Walker beat off the attacks, but the effort diminished the strength and morale of his forces and he soon succumbed.

The National War made for the cooperation between the Liberal and Conservative parties, which had brought Walker to Nicaragua.

Back when Liberals got things done.

VomKriege · « **Reply #9036 on:** May 08, 2020, 09:08:22 AM »

Could go in the Corona thread but apparently Pompeo's bluster about how the virus might have been released from the P4 Wuhan lab was apparently based on a Five Eyes report. The UK, Canada and Australia didn't agree with that assessment, which seems like it's not inconsequential. The lab hypothesis, as it has been reported since, also didn't assume any intentionality or malice.

As it has been remarked and you would, no doubt, assume by yourself : It's not politically advantageous for the UK, Canada and Australia to come out and point too loudly that conclusion was not unanimous.

team filler · « **Reply #9037 on:** May 08, 2020, 01:00:25 PM »

https://twitter.com/VEJA/status/1258743201571069952

https://twitter.com/TerezaSylvio/status/1258780244552622080

VomKriege · « **Reply #9038 on:** May 09, 2020, 07:31:28 AM »

France withdrew a medal it awarded in 1985 to Ricardo Cavallo who was convicted twice (2011, 2017) of crimes against humanity for carrying out kidnapping and torture under the Argentinian Junta.

Apparently he was given his award for his post as Naval attaché to the Argentinian embassy in Paris, where he was placed in the final years of the Junta.

team filler · « **Reply #9039 on:** May 09, 2020, 02:29:03 PM »

https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1259170975473643531

VomKriege · « **Reply #9040 on:** May 09, 2020, 02:32:24 PM »

Did he then brag about all the magnificent hardware of the Canadian army ?

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #9041 on:** May 09, 2020, 02:38:50 PM »

He bragged to the children.

VomKriege · « **Reply #9042 on:** May 10, 2020, 04:38:19 AM »

Quote from: Madrun Badrun on May 09, 2020, 02:38:50 PM

He bragged to the children.

"Are your parents out of the room ? Good. I am going to tell you a secret, keep it for yourself. Have you heard about Le Manifeste du Parti Communiste ?"

team filler · « **Reply #9043 on:** May 10, 2020, 01:52:54 PM »

"Are your parents out of the room ? Good. I am going to tell you a secret, keep it for yourself. Have you heard about a little thing I like to call le zwarte peter ?"

team filler · « **Reply #9044 on:** May 10, 2020, 11:55:56 PM »

https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1259670481638129664

maduro da gawd

Tripon · « **Reply #9045 on:** May 11, 2020, 11:30:30 AM »

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TEHRAN — A missile fired during an Iranian training exercise mistakenly struck a naval vessel instead of its intended target in waters near the strategic Strait of Hormuz, killing 19 sailors and wounding 15 others, Iranian authorities said Monday.
The bungled training exercises took place Sunday and raised new questions about the readiness of the Islamic Republic’s armed forces amid heightened tensions with U.S., just months after they accidentally shot down a Ukrainian jetliner near Tehran, killing 176 passengers.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-10/iran-missile-strikes-own-ship-kills-1-sailor-hurts-others

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9046 on:** May 11, 2020, 11:54:57 AM »

This is the country that America's leaders want us to be afraid of?

VomKriege · « **Reply #9047 on:** May 11, 2020, 02:18:25 PM »

A 37 years old German TV journalist filed a complaint against former president Valery Giscard D'Estaing (97 years old) for inappropriate touching after an interview she conducted with him two years ago.

French presidents being horndogs is pretty much par for the course but you'd think VGE could probably some sexual healing with consent instead of fondling reporters.

Nintex · « **Reply #9048 on:** May 11, 2020, 02:34:59 PM »

Quote from: Tripon on May 11, 2020, 11:30:30 AM

Quote
TEHRAN — A missile fired during an Iranian training exercise mistakenly struck a naval vessel instead of its intended target in waters near the strategic Strait of Hormuz, killing 19 sailors and wounding 15 others, Iranian authorities said Monday.
The bungled training exercises took place Sunday and raised new questions about the readiness of the Islamic Republic’s armed forces amid heightened tensions with U.S., just months after they accidentally shot down a Ukrainian jetliner near Tehran, killing 176 passengers.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-10/iran-missile-strikes-own-ship-kills-1-sailor-hurts-others

"It is time to rescue Iranian sailors and their majestic battleships"

By John Bolton for the New York Times

team filler · « **Reply #9049 on:** May 11, 2020, 02:41:06 PM »

Quote from: VomKriege on May 11, 2020, 02:18:25 PM

A 37 years old German TV journalist filed a complaint against former president Valery Giscard D'Estaing (97 years old) for inappropriate touching after an interview she conducted with him two years ago.

French presidents being horndogs is pretty much par for the course but you'd think VGE could probably some sexual healing with consent instead of fondling reporters.

pics of journalist?

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9050 on:** May 11, 2020, 02:59:51 PM »

Quote from: VomKriege on May 11, 2020, 02:18:25 PM

A 37 years old German TV journalist filed a complaint against former president Valery Giscard D'Estaing (97 years old) for inappropriate touching after an interview she conducted with him two years ago.

French presidents being horndogs is pretty much par for the course but you'd think VGE could probably some sexual healing with consent instead of fondling reporters.

Bush Sr. was apparently still quite a horndog despite being in his 90s and confined to a wheelchair.

Pissy F Benny · « **Reply #9051 on:** May 11, 2020, 03:01:23 PM »

its all he had to live for after getting owned by homer simpson

Tripon · « **Reply #9052 on:** May 11, 2020, 10:33:51 PM »

https://twitter.com/gaylelemmon/status/1260033578592694272

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #9053 on:** May 12, 2020, 10:40:37 AM »

Before I decide if he is guilty, I need to know where those come from.

Rufus · « **Reply #9054 on:** May 12, 2020, 12:15:23 PM »

Quote from: Madrun Badrun on May 12, 2020, 10:40:37 AM

Before I decide if he is guilty, I need to know where those come from.

Vampirella on the right.

No idea about the other one.

Nintex · « **Reply #9055 on:** May 12, 2020, 12:24:43 PM »

Quote from: Tripon on May 11, 2020, 10:33:51 PM

https://twitter.com/gaylelemmon/status/1260033578592694272

Another blow to Spectre

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #9056 on:** May 12, 2020, 01:27:14 PM »

Quote from: Rufus on May 12, 2020, 12:15:23 PM

Quote from: Madrun Badrun on May 12, 2020, 10:40:37 AM
Before I decide if he is guilty, I need to know where those come from.
Vampirella on the right.

No idea about the other one.

He's in the clear.

Mandark · « **Reply #9057 on:** May 13, 2020, 05:18:56 AM »

UK: Treasury blueprint to raise taxes and freeze wages to pay for £300bn coronavirus bill

Nintex · « **Reply #9058 on:** May 13, 2020, 05:49:37 PM »

In the never ending EU drama the EU has reprimanded the Dutch with a letter about ticket vouchers.
When your flight is cancelled due to COVID-19 you should get a refund or you can receive a voucher for a later flight. But instead Dutch travel agencies only do vouchers so they don't have to pay for refunds.
The EU happily announced today that new guidelines and regulations would give everyone access to refunds, thus protecting the rights of travelers.
https://twitter.com/dreynders/status/1260612292602998785

But the Dutch government supports the vouchers scheme because people who were going to travel did already spend their money anyway and thus had the 'financial headroom' to do so and have no immediate need for a refund. (actual quote from our government)
Plus they just wired 4 billion to KLM part of KLM Air France, which they partly own and is the most notorious for issuing such vouchers instead of refunds.

The EU is angry and has send a letter condemning this and demands our PM to press for refunds as well as compensate travelers in case the travel agency or airlines do not or can't as this was agreed on a European level.
Our PM did a bit of Dutch Directness and said he would continue to support the vouchers as the EU has no method to enforce this agreement or sanction us if we ignore their guidelines.

He said that he had a few vouchers himself and we should show some solidarity with the airlines and travel companies instead.
Which was another jab at the Italians, Spanish and others who keep hurling insults at us for not showing 'solidarity'.

team filler · « **Reply #9059 on:** May 15, 2020, 05:55:17 PM »

tulsi warned us

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Author Topic: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster (Read 1312793 times)