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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: GilloD on April 14, 2008, 11:32:49 PM

Title: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: GilloD on April 14, 2008, 11:32:49 PM
It's always been the consensus that Grand Theft Auto is a pretty great game. Sure, the shooting mechanics have been busted for a decade and we're still waiting for indoor locations, but each iteration of the series has been a step up. San Andreas is, for me, one of the great works of gaming. The wide open spaces, the mixture of the wacky (Jet pack! F16! Parachutes!) with the serious (Thug life, yo. Race riots.) just seemed to push the primal urge of gaming: Do whatever you want, no consequences. I can't even begin to imagine how many zen-hours I've logged in the Pac-Man cops 'n robbers pursuits.

For all of it's flaws, it always managed to come out on top. But lately you guys just seem so. Down on it. We're all entitled to our own opinons, but the game scratches my itch in such a perverse and exact way that I have trouble really disliking it. I'm psyched out fo my mind for GTA4, a game that could just be a rebuild of SA and I'd still pony up full price. But it sounds like a title that's adressed a lot of the franchise's lingering concerns and yet, instead of being psyched, folks just seem more droll than ever. What gives?
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: demi on April 14, 2008, 11:33:16 PM
We all played Saints Row
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: y2kev on April 14, 2008, 11:35:32 PM
evilbore hates everything
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 14, 2008, 11:35:49 PM
Game will be good but not a mindfuck.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: demi on April 14, 2008, 11:36:09 PM
Not true

Evilbore loves Devil May Cry 4, which is undoubtedly game of the year 2008

so far
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: demi on April 14, 2008, 11:36:34 PM
Oh and Lost Odyssey, but DMC4 trumps it cause its wicked awesome
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: GilloD on April 14, 2008, 11:38:16 PM
We all played Saints Row

I think one of the frusturating things about GTA is it's seeming inability to synthesize a good idea. Saint's Row did a lot of shit really well (And some things just terribly) and yet I doubt we'll see many of it's advantages in GAT4. I am hoping to see some of Bully creep in- Bully is a game of great ideas that don't really jive well.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 14, 2008, 11:38:27 PM
:bow saints row :bow2
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Bildi on April 14, 2008, 11:39:26 PM
Well I'm not contributing to the backlash.  I've always hated GTA.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: demi on April 14, 2008, 11:40:17 PM
Saints Row is so good. It's the perfect GTA game. I'm going to play it until I swoop a used copy of GTA4.

Then continue playing Saints Row.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: demi on April 14, 2008, 11:44:15 PM
I mean honestly who's fucking idea was it to make an achievement for rushing through GTA4. Worst game ever? Seems so.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Trent Dole on April 14, 2008, 11:45:03 PM
[youtube=425,350]9l_YN-yRCVY[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l_YN-yRCVY
Buggy Saints Row~
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: GilloD on April 14, 2008, 11:45:45 PM
Saints Row is so good. It's the perfect GTA game. I'm going to play it until I swoop a used copy of GTA4.

Then continue playing Saints Row.

Saint's Row was good, but there's a lot of shit it doesn't do and the city was pretty boring.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 14, 2008, 11:46:16 PM
Saints Row is so good. It's the perfect GTA game. I'm going to play it until I swoop a used copy of GTA4.

Then continue playing Saints Row.

*fistbump*
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: demi on April 14, 2008, 11:50:49 PM
Woah, tubular dude, three little niggles and he made a song. I've never encountered bugs in a game before, that totally never happens. I hope he plans an orchestra after playing Rockstar's latest pile, considering they had to delay the thing before it was originally supposed to be released.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Rman on April 14, 2008, 11:52:25 PM
Heard SR2 isn't coming along too well.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Mupepe on April 15, 2008, 12:00:04 AM
I really think a lot of the hate has to do with the fact that Himuro loves it so much.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Rman on April 15, 2008, 12:08:00 AM
Heard Rman is full of shit. SR2 is GTA:SA done right.

I need to buy the fist one so maybe demi will be my XBL friend.

I'll clarify.  Regarding the recent pre-alpha build it was noted that framerates were unstable.  But again it is pre-alpha.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: demi on April 15, 2008, 12:10:27 AM
I really think a lot of the hate has to do with the fact that Himuro loves it so much.

It is funny watching him huddle with the gaffots like a child nurtures their mother's bosom

FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: pilonv1 on April 15, 2008, 12:20:11 AM
Heard Rman is full of shit. SR2 is GTA:SA done right.

I need to buy the fist one so maybe demi will be my XBL friend.

I'll clarify.  Regarding the recent pre-alpha build it was noted that framerates where unstable.  But again it is pre-alpha.

Frame rate in the final build of SR wasn't great either but that's to be expected.

I love GTA but it's not perfect. Anyone who's played Saints Row would know that. I just hate the untouchable platforms shit like GTA, GT and MGS are put on where they are apparently perfect and if you say anything remotely negative against them then you're some sort of troll.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Grecco on April 15, 2008, 12:23:29 AM
Story Co Op means Sains Row 2 is the free roam game oty for me
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: pilonv1 on April 15, 2008, 12:25:14 AM
If they can pull it off then definitely.

It's funny that Himuro loves GTA so much, it's usually the animu/nintendo fegs who hate it because it "represents everything that's wrong with gaming"
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: demi on April 15, 2008, 12:26:55 AM
Story Co Op means Sains Row 2 is the free roam game oty for me

Wow, I did not know that. Confirmed? That about wraps it up for GTA4. Saints Row means progress.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Rman on April 15, 2008, 12:28:31 AM
Heard Rman is full of shit. SR2 is GTA:SA done right.

I need to buy the fist one so maybe demi will be my XBL friend.

I'll clarify.  Regarding the recent pre-alpha build it was noted that framerates where unstable.  But again it is pre-alpha.

Frame rate in the final build of SR wasn't great either but that's to be expected.

I love GTA but it's not perfect. Anyone who's played Saints Row would know that. I just hate the untouchable platforms shit like GTA, GT and MGS are put on where they are apparently perfect and if you say anything remotely negative against them then you're some sort of troll.

You forgot to add Zelda and Mario to that untouchable list.  But, I agree, and I think that why people here have been quick to troll it.  It's not the Second Coming.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Bloodwake on April 15, 2008, 12:36:43 AM
Honestly I felt that Saints Row was very good overall, but it lacked that atmosphere that's present in GTA games. The cities in those games felt alive. Saints Row, much less so.

Still, I enjoyed Saints Row.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2008, 12:49:31 AM
They're feggits. I'm not even bothering to make an official thread here or even discuss the game with anyone  here.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: demi on April 15, 2008, 12:50:20 AM
Go to the park already.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2008, 12:52:06 AM
If they can pull it off then definitely.

It's funny that Himuro loves GTA so much, it's usually the animu/nintendo fegs who hate it because it "represents everything that's wrong with gaming"
Don't call me a Nintendofag and unlike most animu fegs, I play more than jrpgs.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: The Sceneman on April 15, 2008, 12:54:46 AM
They're feggits. I'm not even bothering to make an official thread here or even discuss the game with anyone  here.

then fuck off

:piss GTA :piss2

Quote from: gillod
It's always been the consensus that Grand Theft Auto is a pretty great game.

hahaha, what
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2008, 12:55:42 AM
They're feggits. I'm not even bothering to make an official thread here or even discuss the game with anyone  here.

then fuck off

:piss GTA :piss2

no you fuck off bitch i'm fucking your mother RITE NOW
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 15, 2008, 12:58:20 AM
They're feggits. I'm not even bothering to make an official thread here or even discuss the game with anyone  here.

-there are several people here getting it day 1
-you already made an official thread
-if you'd stop being such a whiner no one would rip on your GTA affection in the first place
-GAF lol
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2008, 12:59:00 AM
Admiral Viscen when did you defect?
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 15, 2008, 12:59:25 AM
To what?
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Beezy on April 15, 2008, 12:59:36 AM
I like the GTA games, but I never thought that any of them were really really great. The main missions always bored me, so I just drove around wreaking havoc while listening to music. Vice City is still my favorite because of the soundtrack.

Anyway, this will be the first GTA game that I actually buy so maybe I'll spend more time with the main game before I ignore it like the others.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2008, 12:59:58 AM
To what?

you defected from my heart
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 15, 2008, 01:01:00 AM
I was on your side when they were dogpiling you for no reason but now you're only here to bitch
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2008, 01:02:02 AM
o snap
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: pilonv1 on April 15, 2008, 01:02:12 AM
I'm getting it day one, and I will enjoy it. I will probably enjoy Saints Row 2 more since it has Co-OP
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Rman on April 15, 2008, 01:21:46 AM
It's just a game, Himuro.  Who cares if other posters don't like it.  Like Admiral said most people here including myself are buying/renting it.   
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2008, 01:22:54 AM
i wonder if i should cancel my gamestop pre order and get it somewhere else...like at a target and get it at midnight
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Rman on April 15, 2008, 01:24:30 AM
Do they have the special edition swag at Target?  I'm guessing you're getting the duffle bag and all.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2008, 01:25:19 AM
i'm not even sure if i am getting it. i may not have the money for the LE. Meh. I may trade in some games in order to get it though, which is something i never do.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 15, 2008, 01:32:58 AM
Why wouldn't GS be doing a midnight launch?
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2008, 01:34:49 AM
GS will be doing a mid night launch but I don't feel like dealing with lines.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on April 15, 2008, 01:39:40 AM
evilbore hates everything
(http://i30.tinypic.com/1180qc4.gif)
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2008, 01:41:11 AM
evilbore hates everything
(http://i30.tinypic.com/1180qc4.gif)

Fuck these jokers ferrarriman. If we made the gta4 thread all there would be is bitching. make an alt gaf account.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on April 15, 2008, 01:43:21 AM
evilbore hates everything
(http://i30.tinypic.com/1180qc4.gif)

Fuck these jokers ferrarriman. If we made the gta4 thread all there would be is bitching. make an alt gaf account.
How could there be bitching when there's this?
[youtube=425,350]QryQ4WX2Wxk[/youtube]

:rofl
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2008, 01:46:22 AM
someone made a youtube of that? =/
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 15, 2008, 01:47:04 AM
It's going to be funny when I make a GTA thread and it goes smoothly besides a few knocks on it.

And lol again at GAF
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: demi on April 15, 2008, 02:19:20 AM
Whoever makes it, I will troll it, biaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: TVC15 on April 15, 2008, 02:25:10 AM
I don't hate GTA, but I do frown that R* did not fix the biggest problem in GTA3 even though they had two opportunities to do so:  the shit aiming.  It was inexcusable after the first game..

Also, each successive game missed the mark a bit.  Vice City got so much right in setting and music, but its world layout was so much less interesting than GTA3s.  San Andreas is a big pile of ambitious ideas that didn't quite pay off. 

I'll be there on day 1 for this.  The major reason I don't get hyped for GTA4?  I don't let myself get hyped for games anymore.  That leads to inevitable letdown at least nine times out of ten.  Also Crackdown and Saint's Row are better games.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: pilonv1 on April 15, 2008, 02:33:43 AM
:bow Crackdown :bow2

Hopefully the aiming and cover system works
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 15, 2008, 03:03:36 AM
Well, based on what I've read I'm buying it, and I don't give a rat's ass what a bunch of snarky message board jerkoffs think about my purchases.  As far as I'm concerned, if my buying GTA IV bothers anyone that's an entertainment bonus.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 15, 2008, 03:57:04 AM
y'all will backlash against it -- it's what gamenerds do: build ridiculous hype, then tear it down

me, i just don't bother to get excited until i actually have the game

(and even then i just toss it on the backlog)
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: The Sceneman on April 15, 2008, 04:04:02 AM
evilbore hates everything
(http://i30.tinypic.com/1180qc4.gif)

Fuck these jokers ferrarriman. If we made the gta4 thread all there would be is bitching. make an alt gaf account.

(http://mail.google.com/mail/?attid=0.1&disp=emb&view=att&th=1194fe2094b86d48)
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: pilonv1 on April 15, 2008, 04:09:57 AM
ive deliberately stayed away from everything but the trailers for this game so i cant be over-hyped by it
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Fragamemnon on April 15, 2008, 04:15:56 AM
I'll get this when it's like $20 somewhere so I don't feel as bad when I play it for an hour and then go back to strategy gaming on my PC.

I don't hate the game, it just doesn't do anything for me.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 15, 2008, 11:52:47 AM
ive deliberately stayed away from everything but the trailers for this game so i cant be over-hyped by it

I've only seen one of the trailers, the first one I think.

Did they bring back the thing from VC where you buy all the different businesses and they earn money for you? That was my favorite part of the PS2 series.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2008, 12:02:26 PM
ive deliberately stayed away from everything but the trailers for this game so i cant be over-hyped by it

I've only seen one of the trailers, the first one I think.

Did they bring back the thing from VC where you buy all the different businesses and they earn money for you? That was my favorite part of the PS2 series.

Fuck no. IV isn't about going from low life to rich kingpin.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 15, 2008, 12:04:27 PM
I don't give a fuck about the lame story, I just want the return of fun gameplay elements.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: y2kev on April 15, 2008, 12:06:43 PM
I don't give a fuck about the lame story, I just want the return of fun gameplay elements.

this is straight up GTA3 level featureset
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2008, 12:06:51 PM
I just told you no, you can't buy businesses and shit. Honestly, that crap wore thin. Vice City was the only one that did it well. You'll still probably be able to buy better places with better garages though.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 15, 2008, 12:09:06 PM
...I know you told me no. Sorry mom.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 15, 2008, 01:55:45 PM
SHUT UP, HOW DARE YOU REQUEST GAMEPLAY FEATURES PREVIOUSLY INCORPORATED INTO EARLIER VERSIONS OF THE SERIES. HOW DARE YOU!!!
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 15, 2008, 02:05:15 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Powerslave on April 15, 2008, 05:25:23 PM
If this game doesn't have Iron Maiden I'm gonna boycott it and stuff, just a warning to Rockstar.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 15, 2008, 05:29:36 PM
buying and upgrading businesses is a last-generation feature

year of PS3 continues
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2008, 11:02:58 PM
bubububububut some of the worst next gen graphics

[youtube=425,350]fpA-uXT8w74[/youtube]

ownzored
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: drohne on April 15, 2008, 11:05:05 PM
i like gta -- its earnest attempts at mission design make it the least objectionable sandbox game by far. i don't know if i $60 like it. but i'm sure i'll play gta4 at some point
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: y2kev on April 15, 2008, 11:06:53 PM
i like gta -- its earnest attempts at mission design make it the least objectionable sandbox game by far. i don't know if i $60 like it. but i'm sure i'll play gta4 at some point
This is exactly why I got tired of Crackdown. Fun for like 6 hours and then there's absolutely no structure.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2008, 11:15:06 PM
Crackdown is fucking boring. All there is to do is jump around the world. It is fun for 2 hours.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: pilonv1 on April 15, 2008, 11:22:52 PM
This is exactly why I got tired of Crackdown. Fun for like 6 hours and then there's absolutely no structure.

That's what made it so enjoyable for me. Go where you want, do what you want.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: y2kev on April 15, 2008, 11:24:12 PM
This is exactly why I got tired of Crackdown. Fun for like 6 hours and then there's absolutely no structure.

That's what made it so enjoyable for me. Go where you want, do what you want.

Do WHAT exactly? Shoot things? Jump?

It's fun until you exhaust all the structure. Then it's up to you to "make" your own fun, which I've never personally thought was good gameplay design.

I could play Animal Crossing if I wanted that.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 15, 2008, 11:25:33 PM
Get on some co op you loner mofo

I've dived back into that game more than any other next gen game so far.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: y2kev on April 15, 2008, 11:31:58 PM
Get on some co op you loner mofo

I've dived back into that game more than any other next gen game so far.

Yes, I played the main story stuff entirely in coop and had a great time. But then I just...ran out of things to do. I'm not the type that was ever amused by "how long can we juggle this car in the air" or that sort of stuff. There are some neat ideas they put in there-- climbing the agency tower was sweet. But the game desperately needed a "drop down" button for it to be a really fun platformer for me.

I prefer tight, linear design in almost every case. Look what happened with Assassin's Creed. Though, granted, there's much less to do in that game than there is in Crackdown. But I found the kinetics in AC inherently enjoyable.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Grecco on April 15, 2008, 11:34:55 PM
I dont see how you can complain about a lack of things to do in Crackdown and yet praise an abortion like Assassins Creed.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: y2kev on April 15, 2008, 11:36:07 PM
I dont see how you can complain about a lack of things to do in Crackdown and yet praise an abortion like Assassins Creed.

Yeah, I was unclear there. I'm not praising it. I'm more pointing to it as an example of a game that really needed tight, linear design.

For the record, I don't think it's an abortion, but it would have been if the free running wasn't so great.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Grecco on April 15, 2008, 11:41:44 PM
ACs linearity doesnt make it a better game. Its popularity is pretty much thanks to its convoluted Kojimaesque story.

Crackdowns true sandbox nature is the very reason why it works so well. Its even better when you factor the fantastic DLC
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: y2kev on April 15, 2008, 11:48:03 PM
ACs linearity doesnt make it a better game. Its popularity is pretty much thanks to its convoluted Kojimaesque story.

Crackdowns true sandbox nature is the very reason why it works so well. Its even better when you factor the fantastic DLC

I don't think you're understanding me. Like at all.

I'm saying it's not linear (because it isn't) and seriously could have used some tightly designed set pieces the player experiences in a linear fashion instead of the random garbage they throw at you.

I don't want to make my own fun.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 15, 2008, 11:53:09 PM
Reboot the gangs and kill them at higher difficulty while maxing your guy. Go after stunt rings. Rooftop and street races are both pretty fun, and more are added with DLC.

I guess some fun is lost if you don't care about achievements. I sorta care and a bunch were fun to go after. I'll probably pick the game up again in 6 months, sweep all the bosses again and have a maxed duder.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Grecco on April 15, 2008, 11:55:14 PM
Get the DLC.

Rocket Tag is awesome
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: demi on April 16, 2008, 12:17:21 AM
Crackdown is so awesome, Achievements make it

Afterwords, not so much, but at that point I would be done with the game anyway

Assassin's Creed is just bad right from the get-go

Difference
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: CurseoftheGods on April 16, 2008, 12:51:54 AM
Crackdown > GTA.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 16, 2008, 09:21:41 AM
Is there a good place to pre-order GTA4 and get some free shit?

What is included in the LE package and how much extra is it?
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: drohne on April 16, 2008, 05:19:09 PM
Quote from: skip pfister
the rockstar guys told us they think that the PS3 looks slightly better, but it really was hard to tell.

:rofl $50 million well spent :rofl
:bow playstation franchise :bow2
:piss xbots :piss2
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: MCD on April 16, 2008, 05:21:00 PM
shut up calcifer
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: drohne on April 16, 2008, 05:22:29 PM
:bow sfag talking points :bow2

Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: calcifer on April 16, 2008, 06:09:36 PM
:elephant ANOTHER VICTORY FOR TEAM KUTARAGI :elephant
:elephant ANOTHER VICTORY FOR TEAM KUTARAGI :elephant
:elephant ANOTHER VICTORY FOR TEAM KUTARAGI :elephant

:piss XFAGBOX :piss2
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: drohne on April 16, 2008, 06:11:44 PM
:elephant year of ps3 continues :elephant

spoiler (click to show/hide)
honestly i'll be surprised if the 360 version doesn't come out slightly ahead -- unless they flew him out to scotland, skip was probably talking to publishing or pr folks rather than the development team as such. and they've been showing the 360 build all along.
[close]
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: MCD on April 16, 2008, 06:19:08 PM
paging dcharlie...
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Rman on April 16, 2008, 06:20:52 PM
People still getting worked up on this multiplatform nonsense.  It will never end I guess.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: tiesto on April 16, 2008, 06:25:30 PM
So I'm reading something about how there are no checkpoints during missions... Rockstar fails again.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: drohne on April 16, 2008, 06:34:31 PM
paging dcharlie...

send him a gaf pm
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: MCD on April 16, 2008, 06:36:50 PM
i'm banned lol
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 16, 2008, 06:45:16 PM
So I'm reading something about how there are no checkpoints during missions... Rockstar fails again.
SA had a feature where you if you failed a long mission you had the option to go back to the very end of it. IV has brought the feature back.

tiesto troll fails again.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Grecco on April 16, 2008, 06:46:00 PM
Gaf cooties? lol  :P
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 16, 2008, 06:47:04 PM
bubububu one of the worst looking next gen games part 2

[youtube=425,350]V1Zc1mCNFpE[/youtube]

evilbore ownzored again

Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 16, 2008, 06:50:03 PM
let's compared that video to evilbore's beloved crackdown

[youtube=425,350]WmdiltTz7VQ[/youtube]

evilbore ownzored part 3
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: MCD on April 16, 2008, 06:54:56 PM
nice ad...
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Powerslave on April 16, 2008, 07:19:46 PM
PlayStation®3 wins.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Grecco on April 16, 2008, 07:37:40 PM
let's compared that video to evilbore's beloved crackdown


evilbore ownzored part 3

Released a year before GTA and did Story Co Op. Crackdown >GTA 4 confirmed.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: y2kev on April 16, 2008, 07:38:33 PM
PlayStation 3 :bow2
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 16, 2008, 07:40:39 PM
:bow PS3 :bow2

sony: pissing in xfuck faces 24/7

let's compared that video to evilbore's beloved crackdown


evilbore ownzored part 3

Released a year before GTA and did Story Co Op. Crackdown >GTA 4 confirmed.

what story? o rite. jump around and kick things and fight enemies over and over with little that distinguishes the next assassin from the last
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Trent Dole on April 16, 2008, 07:41:35 PM
Ugh, enough console faggotry already.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 16, 2008, 07:42:18 PM
u mad?

u mad. u mad.

pstriple bringin home the real talk. you can't hide much longer from the truth. we know the truth!
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Powerslave on April 16, 2008, 08:07:51 PM
PS3 is gonna kick 360's ass this year.

No trolling or joking either. I'm not part of the 'year of ps3 continues' crowd.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 16, 2008, 08:09:28 PM
Me either.

It really is. MS has dropped the goddamn ball.

360's line up sux
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Powerslave on April 16, 2008, 08:10:39 PM
year of ps3 continues
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: hyp on April 16, 2008, 08:13:13 PM
pstriple bringin home the real talk. you can't hide much longer from the truth. we know the truth!

home.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 16, 2008, 08:13:35 PM
pstriple bringin home the real talk. you can't hide much longer from the truth. we know the truth!

home.

MGS4 > every 360 exclusive this year
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: MCD on April 16, 2008, 08:15:10 PM
MY FAV GAME > YOUR FAV GAME
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: hyp on April 16, 2008, 08:16:43 PM
MGS4 > every 360 exclusive this year

wii fit will sell more than MGS4.  now that's the fucking killer app this year.  put your ps3 hype on the backburner homie.  it's decade of the fucking wii bitchessss!
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on April 16, 2008, 08:17:28 PM
:o
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Trent Dole on April 16, 2008, 10:20:41 PM
MGS4 =  :zzz
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 16, 2008, 11:26:52 PM
mgs4 looks a bit crap, but easy achievements would definitely make it worth a playthrough
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Powerslave on April 16, 2008, 11:33:47 PM
MGS4 =  :zzz

But you have a MGS4 avatar :(
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Trent Dole on April 17, 2008, 12:14:18 AM
MGS4 =  :zzz

But you have a MGS4 avatar :(
:ironicat:
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Powerslave on April 17, 2008, 12:20:08 AM
:yousuckdick:
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Trent Dole on April 17, 2008, 12:24:55 AM
:yourmomswallows:
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: tiesto on April 17, 2008, 12:29:55 AM
So it looks like there aren't any checkpoints in missions, once again... seriously now, R*... what's the deal? The missions in these games just keep getting longer, and it's so frustrating to have to do a few easy and boring parts just to try your hand at the final and really difficult part, a problem I had with SA and it's extra long missions. Looks like R* still doesn't want to fix the problems that make the GTA series so shitty.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Powerslave on April 17, 2008, 12:29:57 AM
:yourmomissouglywhenshetriedtoparticipateinanuglinesscontesttheysaidsorrynoprofessionals:
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 17, 2008, 01:18:47 PM
Cool, informative thread.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: demi on March 09, 2009, 10:58:42 AM
bump
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: demi on March 09, 2009, 11:04:55 AM
So I'm reading something about how there are no checkpoints during missions... Rockstar fails again.
SA had a feature where you if you failed a long mission you had the option to go back to the very end of it. IV has brought the feature back.

tiesto troll fails again.

:lol
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: GilloD on March 09, 2009, 11:29:12 AM
So optimistic. GTA4 blew. I miss old, naive, excited GilloD.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: demi on March 09, 2009, 11:30:02 AM
I love reading threads about GTA4... it's SO funny, but this one stood out the most
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Darunia on March 09, 2009, 11:38:05 AM
gta iv is awesome, so is tlad. fuck yous haters
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Kestastrophe on March 09, 2009, 11:40:18 AM
Shit sucked. Just like KZ2, while technically impressive, there are better alternatives with substance out there and I could not bring myself to finish the game. piss, bow, etc.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 09, 2009, 12:30:25 PM
So optimistic. GTA4 blew. I miss old, naive, excited GilloD.

You can find him in the Watchmen thread.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: GilloD on March 09, 2009, 01:21:43 PM
So optimistic. GTA4 blew. I miss old, naive, excited GilloD.

You can find him in the Watchmen thread.

Nay, dear Triumph, in this matter I am the Prophet. 6 months hence when the dust storms of nerd-superiority battles have settled, lo shall you wander from the wilderness of faux-pretension to say, "Pretty good. Pre-tt-y good".
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: pilonv1 on March 09, 2009, 07:59:49 PM
So I'm reading something about how there are no checkpoints during missions... Rockstar fails again.
SA had a feature where you if you failed a long mission you had the option to go back to the very end of it. IV has brought the feature back.

tiesto troll fails again.

:lol

:rofl

Well he's almost right - they did bring back mission check points in the DLC :teehee
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: cool breeze on March 09, 2009, 08:01:27 PM
Lost and the Damned is way better than crappy GTA4
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on March 09, 2009, 08:06:01 PM
Lost and the Damned is way better than crappy GTA4

why and how
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: cool breeze on March 09, 2009, 08:21:51 PM
Lost and the Damned is way better than crappy GTA4

why and how

-The most obvious reason is that driving is fun now; the caveat being that the better driving is only with motorcycles.  It isn't a big problem since you almost always have access to a bike no matter where you are, and if you don't have one near you, you can call someone to bring it to you.  It not only controls better, but you almost never get thrown off your bike.  The best way I can express this is that in GTA4 I used a taxi all the time, but in Lost and the Damned, I used it maybe once in the 7+ hours it lasted.

-No more dealing with fickle companions who call you at all times.  You can still call them up if you want to play some boring distraction, and if you don't want to, they won't be avoiding your requests (delivering bikes, weapons, etc.)

-Better characters, setting, etc.

-New weapons rock.  Semi-auto pistol is like a really accurate SMG, sawed off shotgun can be used on a bike, the grenade launcher is self-explanatory, and the super auto-shotgun pretty much can annihilate any vehicle or enemy in front of it.

-Most missions can only be failed if you die and not because someone out drove you or something; even if you do die, you can restart from a checkpoint (there is a checkpoint after every cutscene.)  The average mission here is also far more entertaining than most in GTA4.

The shooting controls are still a bit of a mess, car and helicopters still control poor, and there are a few other problems left over from GTA4, but overall it's a much better game than GTA4.  Again, I'd say the biggest reason is the motorcycle controls now.

Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 09, 2009, 08:38:59 PM
So optimistic. GTA4 blew. I miss old, naive, excited GilloD.

You can find him in the Watchmen thread.

 :lol

I was about to post how this very topic has eerie parallels.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on March 09, 2009, 10:18:32 PM
So this is GTA4 done right? How much is 1200 xbl points? Maybe I should go to Toys R' Us and get an XBL point card when I go get RE5 on Friday. You get a 20 dollar card for buying RE5 anyways.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: pilonv1 on March 09, 2009, 10:29:20 PM
It's 1600 points.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: cool breeze on March 09, 2009, 10:44:32 PM
yeah, it's $20 / 1600 points.  The best part about XBL is buying a bunch of cards when they go on sale and saving money in the end.

and it does have a lot of new features for that money.  The actual story takes 7 to 8 hours, there are these road rash style races on bikes where you can whack opponents off with a bat, and 25 or so Gang War missions where you basically just murder an enemy biker gang.  They have new multiplayer modes too; one interesting one is where a guy in a helicopter is up against a guy on a motorcycle.  Presentation wise there is also new music (mainly liberty rock music), shows (TV/comedy), etc.  The one dumb thing added was an ugly grain filter, but you can turn that off.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on March 09, 2009, 11:20:07 PM
and it does have a lot of new features for that money.  The actual story takes 7 to 8 hours, there are these road rash style races on bikes where you can whack opponents off with a bat, and 25 or so Gang War missions where you basically just murder an enemy biker gang.

This sounds so much better than IV. IV didn't even have gangs. With L/D do you even see who's obviously a gang member?
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: cool breeze on March 09, 2009, 11:37:31 PM
somewhat...like, if someone dies there will be a message on top telling you their name and all that, but it really doesn't matter if they do die or not.  Gang War missions start with you riding down to the area on your bike, then a crew shows up, and you guys ride down and murder some rival bikers.  You do have two higher ups in the bike gang to call for support at any time who are unique tho.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on March 09, 2009, 11:40:09 PM
I'm talking about like how in past GTA's it was OBVIOUS who was in what gang because they always wore specific colors, used specific guns, drove in specific types of vehicles.

I was really hoping that'd be taken to the next level in IV but that game didn't have any gangs in the end, and gangs are one of the reasons I play GTA.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: cool breeze on March 09, 2009, 11:48:38 PM
then no, it's nothing that specific or deep.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on March 10, 2009, 12:46:16 AM
oh

well that sucks

but it's nice to seem they've added a semblance of life to the game
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: chronovore on March 17, 2009, 09:01:59 AM
I'm talking about like how in past GTA's it was OBVIOUS who was in what gang because they always wore specific colors, used specific guns, drove in specific types of vehicles.

I was really hoping that'd be taken to the next level in IV but that game didn't have any gangs in the end, and gangs are one of the reasons I play GTA.

Yeah, I missed that in IV as well; I liked that there were special cars and outfits for the enemy gang. When Mercenaries brought back the "use this car as a disguise" gameplay, I was really, really hopeful that GTA IV would incorporate that. Missed chance, that.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: chronovore on April 30, 2009, 05:10:20 AM
I thought to bring this thread back, since one of the other current threads was threatening to become a GTA IV hatefest.

I will add that I paid 20 buxx0rz at Target for the download card (free poster!), installed the DLC, played 2 missions, and went back to Saints Row 2. Oh, I did play one more game of multiplayer, and spent a lot of time laughing at how sluggish the controls feel. All. The. Time.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Hollywood on April 30, 2009, 03:01:21 PM
Playing both, I think both have their positives and negatives. If someone would combine the two games, Saints Row 2 and GTA 4, it would make for a badass game.

From GTA 4:

- Graphical power and less glitchiness, animations, smarter AI
- Longer streamlined main mode
- The satire from the radio, TV, and other media

From Saints Row 2:

- In general over the topness and ingenuity that used to be in the early GTA's missions
- Control scheme, changing weapons
- Side missions better

Something both games need:

- Stop with the crappy anticlimatic endings. You play for like 30, 40 hours and at the end you're just running down a dude to cap, Ultor tower or Statue of Liberty - both the same. Then you get jack shit for beating the game. "Oh here's a helicopter or some gay shit you got now - but oh wait, there's nothing to do in the damn city now." Find a way to put something meaningful in the game after its over to have a reason to play it, other than hunting down stunt jumps, tags, shooting birds, packages, CD's or whatever else. No one likes fucking collecting, no matter how much of a small side diversion it is.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: chronovore on May 01, 2009, 01:18:12 AM
I actually enjoyed the pigeon-hunting game in GTA IV, because it had some decent cues when you got close to a bird, allowed for better audio locating of them, and they exploded in a satisfying puff of feathers.

Other than that, yeah, I have never hunted down all the packages in any other GTA game, or BULLY. Red Baloons? Tapes? Hidden Packages? Screw 'em. The worst part is trying to find out That One That You Missed. Which one is it? Who knows? Go back and check ALL the locations. I've got 49 of 50 oysters in GTA San Andreas, and will forever only have 49.

Collection blows, but I think there are ways to make it interesting. It's just laziness and me-too-ness that's keeping it at its default, constant level of suck-itude.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 01, 2009, 10:16:04 AM
In GTA: CW they put a marker on your map every time you find a hidden camera, so you can scratch them off whatever guide you're using. Also destroying them boosts your money during drug deals.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: chronovore on May 01, 2009, 10:43:55 AM
What kills me is how many "GTA killers" came out during the space between San Andreas and GTA IV, where there were features clearly indicating some excellent gameplay:

Saints Row - Replay from mission start, restored to same state as mission initiation, including weapons, the car you brought to the mission, homies in your party
Crackdown - co-op play. co-op play with collectibles instanced per-player
Mercenaries - vehicles as faction disguise
Destroy All Humans - anal rape gun
Rockstar's own BULLY - reasonably fun, meaningfully deep, challenging melee combat
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 01, 2009, 11:13:13 AM
GTAIV is still the best game of the generation for me. For someone who likes action, and story.

One of the amazing things about GTAIV is how immersive it is, in one of the missions i'm chasing this one dude, on foot, and the guy runs through traffic, a taxi gets hit by a bullet, and i use the car as cover in the middle of the street, and then the cops get involved, and it just looked like a movie, it was awesome.

Basically, the only things i think GTAIV was lacking, for the time it was released, was a better mission replay mode, or checkpoints. Aside from it, i couldn't care less about some tacked in Co Op mode, or stupid overpowered weapons, or whatever, because i love that GTAIV doesn't feel "overblown" like say a Saints Row.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 01, 2009, 11:25:55 AM
GTAIV is still the best game of the generation for me. For someone who likes action, and story.

One of the amazing things about GTAIV is how immersive it is, in one of the missions i'm chasing this one dude, on foot, and the guy runs through traffic, a taxi gets hit by a bullet, and i use the car as cover in the middle of the street, and then the cops get involved, and it just looked like a movie, it was awesome.
I can agree with that, and the coincidence stuff is a huge appeal to any sandbox game. To me though, I felt that the game was very unimmersive for other reasons. I thought that the controls were very unintuitive and I constantly felt that I was fighting them. Also, it is completely open ended. For instance, I don't remember what the mission was called, but it was the one where you had to chase the guy through a laundromat on foot, at which point he escaped out the back and escaped in a vehicle. I failed the mission a couple of times, so I parked a car right behind his getaway vehicle so he would have a harder time. After chasing him through the laundromat and dippin out the back door, I see that the game has made my diversion disappear  :maf
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: chronovore on May 01, 2009, 12:40:05 PM
What's crazy is, stunts like that worked fine in GTA 3  most of the time. I had a couple missions where I brought the right car, or blocked the escape route, and made mincemeat of a mission that had been failed a few times. GTA IV erases the prep you do, and forces you to really play the missions the way you want them.

The main complaint I can't back is that GTA IV is ugly. I don't see it as ugly at all; I think they wanted a somewhat fuzzy, atmospheric look, and they nailed it. I had a few scenes like you've described, where a strange chance turned a whole accident into something very cinematic (albeit Michael Bay-esque).

It's also interesting how broken their cover mechanic is whenever it's used in MP. Instant-death.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Himu on May 02, 2009, 04:19:34 AM
What kills me is how many "GTA killers" came out during the space between San Andreas and GTA IV, where there were features clearly indicating some excellent gameplay:

Saints Row - Replay from mission start, restored to same state as mission initiation, including weapons, the car you brought to the mission, homies in your party
Crackdown - co-op play. co-op play with collectibles instanced per-player
Mercenaries - vehicles as faction disguise
Destroy All Humans - anal rape gun
Rockstar's own BULLY - reasonably fun, meaningfully deep, challenging melee combat

You forgot about Saint's Rows ability to let you keep every single car you store in your garage. Does it blow up? Great, you can restore for a tiny fee right from your garage. This makes me not go anal about those awesome rides I when for taking over gang territory and use my just rewards to the max.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: pilonv1 on May 02, 2009, 05:21:48 AM
Also Saints Row letting you customise EVERYTHING, even your gang and their signs/colours. And getting rewards from doing missions/side missions.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Hollywood on May 02, 2009, 06:18:07 PM
I actually enjoyed the pigeon-hunting game in GTA IV, because it had some decent cues when you got close to a bird, allowed for better audio locating of them, and they exploded in a satisfying puff of feathers.

Other than that, yeah, I have never hunted down all the packages in any other GTA game, or BULLY. Red Baloons? Tapes? Hidden Packages? Screw 'em. The worst part is trying to find out That One That You Missed. Which one is it? Who knows? Go back and check ALL the locations. I've got 49 of 50 oysters in GTA San Andreas, and will forever only have 49.

Collection blows, but I think there are ways to make it interesting. It's just laziness and me-too-ness that's keeping it at its default, constant level of suck-itude.

Shooting them isn't bad, but the point is there's still fucking 100 of them. And also everytime you shoot your gun around a cop, oops, there's a star.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 02, 2009, 09:13:09 PM
Also Saints Row letting you customise EVERYTHING, even your gang and their signs/colours. And getting rewards from doing missions/side missions.

Who gives a shit?

So i can't make Niko look like a fat bitch, well guess what they are trying to tell a compelling story and characters. Seriously, Saints Row exists, go play that if you want that, but Saints Row is like the WWE to GTAIV's UFC.

Go play that shit, go play crackdown if you want crackdown, etc. I just don't understand people complaining about GTAIV not being like Saints Row or whatever, it's so distinguished mentally-challenged when you think about it.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 02, 2009, 09:27:23 PM
GTAIV sucked because it wasn't fun. It was designed to showcase Rockstar's talents in writing dialogue/stories and their new physics engine. Everything else was just a tacked-on afterthought.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: demi on May 02, 2009, 09:31:25 PM
People are complaining about GTA4 because it sucks

WrikaWreked
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Hollywood on May 02, 2009, 09:52:46 PM
Also Saints Row letting you customise EVERYTHING, even your gang and their signs/colours. And getting rewards from doing missions/side missions.

Who gives a shit?

So i can't make Niko look like a fat bitch, well guess what they are trying to tell a compelling story and characters. Seriously, Saints Row exists, go play that if you want that, but Saints Row is like the WWE to GTAIV's UFC.

Go play that shit, go play crackdown if you want crackdown, etc. I just don't understand people complaining about GTAIV not being like Saints Row or whatever, it's so distinguished mentally-challenged when you think about it.

I used the standard token black guy in Saints Row 2. I never got the big deal about customization, it really doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: demi on May 02, 2009, 09:54:02 PM
Congratulations, you've discovered the human instinct called "choice"

Put into a sentence:

When given the option of customization, I chose to use the default token black guy.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 02, 2009, 11:13:40 PM
How can anyone keep pretending that GTA4 was telling a compelling story after seeing the ending? Nevermind the whole second act being a meandering pointless piece of shit.

Saints Row 4 lyfe. People complain about GTA4 not being like SR because SR is like GTA:SA taken to the next level.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2009, 12:07:52 AM
How can anyone keep pretending that GTA4 was telling a compelling story after seeing the ending?

GTAIV's story felt the most ridiculous to me when Niko's bemoaning his life and agonizing over killing somebody when just five minutes prior he went on a shooting spree killing countless innocents and stealing several cars while taking police on a high-speed chase from one side of the city to the other.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Hollywood on May 03, 2009, 12:19:49 AM
Congratulations, you've discovered the human instinct called "choice"

Put into a sentence:

When given the option of customization, I chose to use the default token black guy.

I rather them spend the time and effort used to put all the extra voice acting and boring ass customization into making more missions and shit. You know, stuff that matters.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 03, 2009, 12:23:44 AM
SR2 has more missions than GTA4, lol

How can anyone keep pretending that GTA4 was telling a compelling story after seeing the ending?

GTAIV's story felt the most ridiculous to me when Niko's bemoaning his life and agonizing over killing somebody when just five minutes prior he went on a shooting spree killing countless innocents and stealing several cars while taking police on a high-speed chase from one side of the city to the other.

Or the fact that his brother keeps whining about money when you get like $200k for a single mission hours before that.

Or how you do bitch work for a bunch of different mobsters that have basically no connection to the main story.

Or the ridiculous motorcycle-helicopter climax.

Or pretending I give a shit about that girl who I dated twice that had no purpose other than to die at the end
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2009, 12:45:22 AM
SR2 has more missions than GTA4, lol

How can anyone keep pretending that GTA4 was telling a compelling story after seeing the ending?

GTAIV's story felt the most ridiculous to me when Niko's bemoaning his life and agonizing over killing somebody when just five minutes prior he went on a shooting spree killing countless innocents and stealing several cars while taking police on a high-speed chase from one side of the city to the other.

Or the fact that his brother keeps whining about money when you get like $200k for a single mission hours before that.

Or how you do bitch work for a bunch of different mobsters that have basically no connection to the main story.

Or the ridiculous motorcycle-helicopter climax.

Or pretending I give a shit about that girl who I dated twice that had no purpose other than to die at the end

Those too.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 03, 2009, 09:30:37 AM
WWE fans....



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Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: demi on May 03, 2009, 09:49:24 AM
They let you turn CJ into a fat bitch and they also told a compelling story

(lol)
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: cool breeze on May 03, 2009, 10:21:08 AM
A rags to riches story as original as an immigrant coming to America thinking life would be different, trying to also find people from his past life who wronged him, and eventually finding that he can't leave the violent life.  I'm totally serious too.  Problem is that the hamfisted way they told that story in GTA4 and missions that had you killing dozens of people because some guy paid you.  Way to ruined any sense of character and make those scenes where they decided to go serious just seem boring and contradictory.

Lost and the Damned was better and the character wasn't dull like Niko was.  Mafia was still way better if you're talking about telling a good story in these games.  It helps that Mafia played really well too.
Title: Re: Grand Theft Backlash: What's with the hate?
Post by: chronovore on May 06, 2009, 01:28:25 PM
Also Saints Row letting you customise EVERYTHING, even your gang and their signs/colours. And getting rewards from doing missions/side missions.

Who gives a shit?

So i can't make Niko look like a fat bitch, well guess what they are trying to tell a compelling story and characters. Seriously, Saints Row exists, go play that if you want that, but Saints Row is like the WWE to GTAIV's UFC.

Go play that shit, go play crackdown if you want crackdown, etc. I just don't understand people complaining about GTAIV not being like Saints Row or whatever, it's so distinguished mentally-challenged when you think about it.

We're actually complaining about GTA IV being less like previous GTA's than Saints Row manages to be. GTA IV may have worked for you, great, but it stuns me that they managed to make such a gorgeous, complete, realistic world, and then give you very little to do in it beyond normal story missions.

And Himuro's right: I forgot about the save-your-cars garage. Man, is there anything worse in San Andreas than having all those customizing shops and losing your freaking car to damage or a story-load?