Linear JRPGs!! :rockThey're only good when the battle system is good.
Seriously. I love 'em.
Good idea to criticise western games in the western press.
This Toriyama guy will go a long way.
Of course, ever since FFXIII was moneyhatted for the 360, Square's developers switched their priorities over to Versus and stopped caring about XIII anymore.
I have to strongly disagree with that. I too once loved the linearity of japanese RPGs it was the de facto standard by which I judged them. I didn't even mind losing overworld in FFX for example as the story and locations were pretty nice. However when I played FF12 it strucked me how similiar it is to WRPGs for example BG2. Similiar AND better than the old-school jRPGs schemas. I want to go wherever I want to and whenever I want to. If I'm getting my ass kicked by creatures 30 levels higher up than me then coming up with ways to defeat them is a very nice challenge.I'm not really a JRPG fan any more, to be honest, but I just never really enjoyed the wide open WRPGs either. I prefer a mix of the two.
dark have you tried Vesperia yet?Yeah. It wasn't bad, but felt like a retread to me. It was more of the same. I can't say I disliked it nor can I say I love it. I suppose, by default, its the second best JRPG I've played this gen. It didn't offend me, at least. I dunno why I liked Lost Odyssey so much, to be honest, but it really was the only JRPG I can say that I really enjoyed. Yes, there were some awful bits (those two kids), but for the most part, it was a pretty good ride.
Sorry you hate games dark, maybe you should become a game designer so you have an excuse not to play games anymore. Self-loathing at its finestI feel like dcharlie sometimes. :D
it's funny because FFXIII sucksYet another shitty JRPG. :\
Toriyama made FFX-2 which was relatively "open world". So, I dunno. I think they probably just made it super-linear to have more of a contrast from FFX-2, FF12, and FF11/14.
Yup this is what I think also. FFs swing like a pendulum: from open world to linear back to open world. That's why I cannot wait for first info on FF15 :hyper
Toriyama made FFX-2 which was relatively "open world". So, I dunno. I think they probably just made it super-linear to have more of a contrast from FFX-2, FF12, and FF11/14.
Yup this is what I think also. FFs swing like a pendulum: from open world to linear back to open world. That's why I cannot wait for first info on FF15 :hyper
By the time FF15 should be coming out, there probably won't even be a Squeenix anymore. Good riddance, I say.
You're right, a world of rigidly set out weeabootastic story with a fey, spiky haired protagonist sounds loads better. Also, belts and zippers.
You're right, a world of rigidly set out weeabootastic story with a fey, spiky haired protagonist sounds loads better. Also, belts and zippers.dude i bet those games also have turns and random battle
Of course, ever since FFXIII was moneyhatted for the 360, Square's developers switched their priorities over to Versus and stopped caring about XIII anymore.
Hey now, Versus will probably have a lot more zippers, chains, and mufflers. It will be successful!
Versus XIII is like my massive 15 inch cock
Both get talked about a lot, both sound impressive, no one has ever seen either of them, and -unfortunately- neither really exist.
well isn't that pretty much square modus operandi
- announce game
- stop giving a fuck
- remember announcing the game 2 years ago
- start showing stuff
- ???
- profit?
I couldn't give a shit less about the game. The FF series has had its head up its own ass and SE is only determined to push it up further. Square knows that at the end of the day, the same 1.5 million people (read: suckers) will buy the new mainline FF regardless of quality.
FF12 was really good man. And also very different. Felt pretty much like a FF game made by western company like Bethesda. That's why weeaboos hated it.
Speaking during DICE 2010, Disney game exec Graham Hopper noted that Epic Mickey’s paint stroke-centric gameplay was perfectly suited to the Wii’s “intuitive” controls.:teehee
But what of Natal and Arc? Unfortunately, it all came down to timing.
“If we started it 6 months ago we would have potentially thought differently about it,” he said.
“We have a very large audience base that has Wiis in their home,” he added optimistically. “That’s not to say that we won’t go to other platforms in the future.”
I couldn't give a shit less about the game. The FF series has had its head up its own ass and SE is only determined to push it up further. Square knows that at the end of the day, the same 1.5 million people (read: suckers) will buy the new mainline FF regardless of quality.
FF12 was really good man. And also very different. Felt pretty much like a FF game made by western company like Bethesda. That's why weeaboos hated it.
No, that's not true.best to show a small cg clip , claim its realtime , then just let the fanboy monkeys run riot.
meanwhile, theres probably one coder who has one character running aroung a flat green background in the White Engine. And that is all they have to show
I don't blame them since that's been the Sony MO for 10 years. Blatently lie about thier "tech" demos and hope thier clueless public gobbles it up. Fortunately Sony and Square were caught as the bold faced liars they are at the PS3 unveiling.
maxy's avatar is lovely :-[
The public videos aren't what Sony showed to select developers early on. The internal PS2 reveal was filled with bullshit claims and the videos were rendered on SGI work stations* to cover their lack of real hardware. It was the initial developer blitz to sway early Dreamcast development teams and it worked beautifully.Really? Which videos are you referring to?
I can't wait for the next gen drama, it's going to be very very interesting.If Microsoft has another faulty console and doesn't let people transfer their Arcade games over to their next console, a lot of people will be pissed. I'm not sure what else they can fuck up with.
As far as Kitase is concerned, FFXIII isn't even really a role-playing game. "We didn't really intend to work within with the RPG template," he says. "We wanted to create a new game, even a new genre. The way we look at it, there's isn't a certain format that we have to keep to and build a game around. Rather, it goes the other way around. We create a game and, depending on what works or doesn't work within that game, it ends up reflecting different staple elements."
the level of spin surrounding this game rivals the new ultras in Super Street Fighter IV
I'm ready for this game to come out, create some hype and meltdowns for a few weeks, then go the fuck away. I'm so sick of seeing it everywhere...people just need to play it so all the stupid mystery and speculation surrounding it stop. I can't wait to play it myself, but everything points to it being a decent linear RPG that happens to have some tasty graphics. no more, no less.the level of spin surrounding this game rivals the new ultras in Super Street Fighter IV
need context. what's the drama around the new ultras? all I know is makoto is in and that's what matters.
Quotepublic videos aren't what Sony showed to select developers early on. The internal PS2 reveal was filled with bullshit claims and the videos were rendered on SGI work stations* to cover their lack of real hardware. It was the initial developer blitz to sway early Dreamcast development teams and it worked beautifully.
this.
though i think PS3 was way worse.
I remember Patel and JohntV laughing at me at how much more incredible the PS3 was over the X360, i'm assuming they saw something similar early on (?)
Is this game really more linear than FFX because that would be a pretty big accomplishment.
This linear:
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2zeb438.jpg)
It's so good even James Cameron stole from it
http://kotaku.com/5482463/square-enix-suspicious-that-avatar-was-influenced-by-final-fantasy-xiii?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+kotaku/full+(Kotaku) (http://kotaku.com/5482463/square-enix-suspicious-that-avatar-was-influenced-by-final-fantasy-xiii?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+kotaku/full+(Kotaku))
That's right, because Final Fantasy XIII invented the fantasy-based, futuristic look! Of course it didn't, and like me, Toriyama might have been joking.
Yeah, saw that too.
But I'll be buying the Ps3 version.
i'm poor so i have to download my copy
bu bu bu
My Heavy Rain still hasn't arrived. :lol
Fucking blahdvd.com
They usually ship very fast.
I also have GOW3 and FFXIII ordered there. I don't expect much out of FFXIII. But I'm eager to try it out.
they are already out dude.
576p :(
Aliasing, dithering, bleh graphics.'Don't Mind the Reviews' :teehee
Mass Effect 2 puts this shit in the corner, and Vesperia is more fun.
Aliasing, dithering, bleh graphics.I wouldn't say that. FFXIII is a damn fine looking game. It runs smoother than Mass 2, has 2x multisampling AA (while Mass 2 has none), and seems to present more complex character models. They have very different art styles, however, so it becomes more difficult to compare.
Mass Effect 2 puts this shit in the corner, and Vesperia is more fun.
Is the PS3 one 576p or just the 360?Oddly enough, the PS3 one is 1280x720 while the 360 version is 576p. Both feature 2x multisampling AA.
Yall gonna be missing out on the best RPG this year.
Yall gonna be missing out on the best RPG this year.
eh, there's no husky men in the game anyway.
But they will be playing it! Well I will anyways.
eh, there's no husky men in the game anyway.
Yall gonna be missing out on the best RPG this year.:lol
Who in RE5 is husky?
Yall gonna be missing out on the best RPG this year.
You better be nice, I might have to show Lucretius a picture what I'm dealing with.
Capcom needs to just make a game featuring Barry Burton, Haggar and Zangief.
^^
Music is good.
Anyway played it a little bit aaand...kinda like it :-[ for now,although i will probably hate it,there is absolutely no feeling of freedom in this game,you do what game wants you to do,you fight when game wants you to fight.
It doesn't feel like an rpg,more like some action adventure...it will be very polarizing game
Combat,basically i just button smash A and heal if necessary,at least for now
Graphics
Prerendered stuff and CG some(most)times looks worse than realtime,closeups look good though...realtime stuff is good,looks clear,good framerate...Xenos is doing a great job at upscaling...if there where no pixel counters nobody would know about lower resolution
Bepbo was right,this engine is about pushing characters polys,very little for environment...and majority of character polys is spent on hair,belts and zippers
Loading-quick and i am playing from the disc
So basically it is a weeaboo fix :-[ :-[...but expect action adventure
"Heroes don't run away from combat" :lol
Holy fuck. This port makes the Bayonetta Ps3 port look like a masterpiece. :rofl
The videos ARE the gameplay in FFXIII.
SE did a very lousy job. Butchering the most important aspect of FFXIII.
One thing is interesting about this game,you are always traveling in series of tubes,but the game gives you epic feel...Square is really good at "faking" stuff,just don't stay too long at one placeThe way "scale" is presented makes a HUGE difference. Wide open games can feel small and cramped with the wrong visual design.
A totally linear, limited game can still give you the feeling of being in a large environment with the right visual design. The physical layout of a dungeon in a game like this doesn't really matter that much. Unless the dungeons focus on puzzles, they are generally designed as locales designed to house enemies and push the story forward.
QuoteA totally linear, limited game can still give you the feeling of being in a large environment with the right visual design. The physical layout of a dungeon in a game like this doesn't really matter that much. Unless the dungeons focus on puzzles, they are generally designed as locales designed to house enemies and push the story forward.
I do wonder if people would fixate on this as much if the game wasn't called final fantasy 13.
Are you seriously comparing Dragon Age to Final Fantasy 13 in terms of how open they are?
Yeah,Demi is right,but there is one big difference...
I am about 10 hours in and FF13 is like....imagine DA where you just fight,same level design,no towns,no anything,party members constantly appear and disappear for various "reasons"
If you like that,you will like this game.
To hard...Yeah,Demi is right,but there is one big difference...
I am about 10 hours in and FF13 is like....imagine DA where you just fight,same level design,no towns,no anything,party members constantly appear and disappear for various "reasons"
If you like that,you will like this game.
I am definitely not buying this game now. WTF is with no towns?
snipI don't think I've ever seen you complain about anything. You're far too affable and positive to fit in here :lol
But in all seriousness, I think it comes down to what you glossed over in the last paragraph. It's arguably easier now more than ever for devs to design sprawling and immersive locales, so SE opted to remove towns from the equation entirely...why? Are they really so unimaginative these days that they couldn't come up with even a handful of interesting towns? And as mundane and unremarkable as some of them may have been in prior games, they certainly never detracted from the experience -- whereas in a game that ALREADY feels overly linear and restrictive, the absence of towns does nothing but further diminish any semblance of freedomsnipI don't think I've ever seen you complain about anything. You're far too affable and positive to fit in here :lol
:bow FF13
4 more days bros. Hype meter through the roof
You know, towns are definitely awesome in SOME games, but they haven't exactly been something Square has excelled at in the past.
Maxy, how is the battle system? If it's really good then I can tolerate everything else.Good...kinda
:bow FF13
4 more days bros. Hype meter through the roof
Just be prepared to play the same stuff over and over(30-40 hours),nothing changes except combat abilities and scenery,design is always the same,always.:bow FF13
4 more days bros. Hype meter through the roof
:spin
You know, I actually liked what I've played of the X360 version. Can't wait for the whole game.
Maxy, how is the battle system? If it's really good then I can tolerate everything else.Good...kinda
Flashy,quick,you constantly have to change roles,attack a little,heal a little,defend a little,depending on enemy type.
Enemies have their weaknesses,you have to exploit them to break their defense and quickly defeat them.
Difficulty ramps up slowly,beginning is very easy.
Combat is the only thing that keeps me playing...
Thanks for describing the rpg genre. :lolNo offense maxy, but that didn't explain much. :lol
Thanks for describing the rpg genre. :lolWell,i warned you...this game is like running in circles
I just hope blahdvd sends this one on time. I still haven't received Heavy Rain. Still on backorder. :-\
Maxy, how is the battle system? If it's really good then I can tolerate everything else.Good...kinda
Flashy,quick,you constantly have to change roles,attack a little,heal a little,defend a little,depending on enemy type.
Enemies have their weaknesses,you have to exploit them to break their defense and quickly defeat them.
Difficulty ramps up slowly,beginning is very easy.
Combat is the only thing that keeps me playing...Thanks for describing the rpg genre. :lolNo offense maxy, but that didn't explain much. :lol
Thanks for describing the rpg genre. :lolWell,i warned you...this game is like running in circles
I just hope blahdvd sends this one on time. I still haven't received Heavy Rain. Still on backorder. :-\
As for DA,i don't like it and this game is like DA without towns and people,just long dungeons,combat,combat and cheesy story full of holes,crappy characters included.
Some 17,18 hoursThanks for describing the rpg genre. :lolWell,i warned you...this game is like running in circles
I just hope blahdvd sends this one on time. I still haven't received Heavy Rain. Still on backorder. :-\
As for DA,i don't like it and this game is like DA without towns and people,just long dungeons,combat,combat and cheesy story full of holes,crappy characters included.
Except Dragon Age still allowed a fair amount of exploration and quests.
How into the game are you?
Some 17,18 hoursThanks for describing the rpg genre. :lolWell,i warned you...this game is like running in circles
I just hope blahdvd sends this one on time. I still haven't received Heavy Rain. Still on backorder. :-\
As for DA,i don't like it and this game is like DA without towns and people,just long dungeons,combat,combat and cheesy story full of holes,crappy characters included.
Except Dragon Age still allowed a fair amount of exploration and quests.
How into the game are you?
Combat is the only thing that i like.Some 17,18 hoursThanks for describing the rpg genre. :lolWell,i warned you...this game is like running in circles
I just hope blahdvd sends this one on time. I still haven't received Heavy Rain. Still on backorder. :-\
As for DA,i don't like it and this game is like DA without towns and people,just long dungeons,combat,combat and cheesy story full of holes,crappy characters included.
Except Dragon Age still allowed a fair amount of exploration and quests.
How into the game are you?
:lol Damn, you must like it if that's the case.
Maxy, you beat off today yet?Not yet :D
It reminds me of crappy CG used in some PC games.
how bitrate starved are the cutscenes in the 360 version? surely there are screencaps somewhere on the net by now.
How many times has Snow screamed "Sara?" When I played I counted it about 10 times and that was of 5 hours of play.Million times probably,he does nothing except Sara,Sara,Sara
i found a video and either it's my pc or is v-sync seriously turned off?
http://www.sendspace.com/file/h8kyb8
it's saved as a binkvideo.exe and i can't get it to open with another videoplayer.
no game pushes 360 too much.
maxy, did you wake in the morning?Not sure
tired of sleeping?
get in the shower?
make your bed alone?
put on your makeup?
talk into the mirror?
ready for a new day?
SERA SERA SERAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!![youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69SmvbpaYUU[/youtube]
maxy, what's your favorite food?Hmm,first i have to destroy some shitty FF13 boss...then you will get your answer
but what about hope, maxy-kun?Not going to spoil anything,but Hope is creepy...
To illustrate the improvements Xbox 360 brings to the table such as they are, here's a selection of clips put through frame-rate analysis. You'll see that while both versions can drop frames, it is the Xbox 360 version that is undoubtedly smoother on average. Minimum frame-rate is 26FPS on 360, and 20FPS on PS3. It's interesting to note that the character close-ups are seemingly no problem for the 360: 30FPS is maintained while PS3 struggles.
Unfortunately, when any particular scene ramps up the motion, the encoding solution Square has employed collapses horribly. Detail disappears in a sea of macroblocking and banding, while the PS3 version remains pretty close to pristine thanks to the incredible amount of bandwidth (and thus video information) available.
The tragedy here is that the CG is a core part of the presentation in FFXIII and it seems to be the case that the company has paid little attention to the poor quality of the final assets on the Xbox 360 version. The Microsoft XDK ships with a VC1 decoder, giving it the ability to playback video files encoded using technology supported by Blu-ray discs and players. Indeed, movie pirates out there get excellent quality VC1 encodes of Blu-ray movies that manage to fit onto a dual-layer DVD and run from the Xbox 360 dashboard.
Decent encoding takes time and effort, but the results can look good - even on challenging material. Combine this with the fact that the game doesn't need the 1080p-sized video the PS3 version boasts, and we have the ways and means with which to attack the compression issue from two different angles.
Square-Enix has bought in the Bink compression system for FFXIII on 360 and its failure in high-motion, colourful scenes does suggest a constant bitrate is being used as opposed to variable bandwidth that allocates more data to maintaining image quality on more complex scenes.
This failure is compounded by the fact that Square-Enix hasn't even made full use of all the disk space it has available. Around 1GB of storage is left empty on discs one and two of FFXIII, and you have to wonder why all that empty space couldn't have been repurposed for higher bandwidth encoding. Perhaps it's because of the background loading taking place while the cut-scenes play out, but regardless, the hit to quality using Bink is often unacceptably bad.
Perhaps Square Enix might like to take some cues from the movie industry: top-tier studios employ compressionists whose sole job it is to make movie encodes look as good as they can possibly be within the confines of the disc space available. The parallel is not without some merit: the same encoding tools Microsoft developed for Blu-ray and HD-DVD movie compression might even be deployed for exactly this kind of thing, assuming that the 360's VC1 decoder is up to scratch.
Failing that, there are any number of h264 decoders out there that could be licensed and ported to the Microsoft console. The bottom line is that if FMV is so crucial to your game, and the storage on offer is limited, care needs to be taken so that every byte of available space makes a difference.
The results in Final Fantasy XIII aren't up to snuff - frankly, the encoding looks amateurish.
^^It looks like a PS2 game on the PS3 too. Check out the polygon count on those arms!
It looks like a PS2 game on the 360 :lol :lol :lol
Category | 360 | PS3
Discs | 3 (DVD)* | 1 (BD)
Resolution | 576p** | 720p
Audio | Compressed Only | Both Compressed and Lossless
FMV*** | 576p (BINK) | 1080p (AVC)
*Xbox 360 optional install, like other 360 games (about 18GB for this game).
**Scaled to 720p
*** 360 version missing shadowing and textures
****FMV's are 1080p for PS3, and pre-rendered cut-scenes are both 720p
^^
It looks like a PS2 game on the 360 :lol :lol :lol
360 version is not missing shadowing and textures.
Shadowing is there,but fainter...probably some bug.^^
It looks like a PS2 game on the 360 :lol :lol :lol
That is a movie screenshot,when real-time stuff at 565p looks much much better than 720p movie,well...Square really fucked that up
how the hell can CG movies looks so bad :lol
:lol Square :lol
you can definitely blame square for the video compression. they could have easily used a better codec and still managed to fit on 3 dvds.
they simply used bink because any idiot can use it.
anywayz remember what the game was suppose to look like?
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-ZlXH144iE[/youtube]
what happened to the epic battles?
That's pretty ridiculous. If you pick any game apart, you'll start to notice things like this. The game looks phenomenal...but that's not where the problems lie.^^It looks like a PS2 game on the PS3 too. Check out the polygon count on those arms!
It looks like a PS2 game on the 360 :lol :lol :lol
FFXIII takes brave risks with the series’ foundations, but they ultimately create trembling fractures throughout the entire edifice, that robust battle system unable to support the weight of an entire world
It’s a significant prop to a story that has moments of poignancy and a few good characters, but ultimately falls flat. This is such a well-realised world that to have it inhabited by Final Fantasy clichés is especially disappointing.Some slight spoiler about Hope. Vanille’s an over-sexualised nonentity. Sazh is a convincing argument against Danny Glover and Lionel Richie ever again being combined into a single character. The biggest problem is that there’s simply no one else. Outside of the main party, every single character in this game is either a cackling cipher, a bystander with a few repeated lines, or a deus ex machina who’s there and gone within the space of a cutscene.spoiler (click to show/hide)Hope (really) is a kid tormented by the death of his mother[close]
Ahh, thanks.
FF12 got 9 from EDGE.
My case is closed.
FF13 is utter diarrhea.
Of course it looks better but not as much as you would like.You've got to be kidding me. The models in FFXII were NOT that detailed...it was all in the art.
Title: Fabula Nova Crystallis: Final Fantasy XIII (PS3) - €42.42
Status: Shipped 05 March 2010 13:41
I usually never read any review. I just look at the score.You should,scores are just some generic numbers.
And it seems to be long corridors filled with repetitive combat and embarrassing cut scenes.I said that also :'(
what happened to banding together and saving the world?
Overreaction much? I haven't played it yet and am not expecting much. We're simply talking about visuals. From videos I've seen, the game looks totally smooth and there doesn't seem to be tearing. The framerate seems very steady with slowdowns only occurring in small bits. The way in which they drop would also indicate that v-sync is always enabled. If it were not, don't you think Eurogamer would have picked up on it?QuoteWhich games have more complex models that XIII? Not many.
ps3 ff13 has tearing, some bad texture artifacting, and a shoddy frame rate at times...
... i'm surprised you aren't FUCKING SUICIDING OMG!!!!
but hey, the story is shit, the characters are dire, the battle system is overhyped wank, the frame rate is up the wazzo, the textures are spaz city, and it tears like Gary Glitters new girlfriend .. WHATS NOT TO LIKE!?!
:/
It takes a lot for me to really dislike someone on the internet but I can't fucking stand dark10x.Thanks for that. :\
Thanks for that. :\
fast-paced, slightly strategic combat system
fast-paced, slightly strategic combat system
That is the best FF13 description. :lol
I suppose I don't find the discussion of those elements all that interesting or fun. That is actually more important to me, really, but there isn't much for me to discuss. That's all. I suppose the issue is that there isn't much room for actual argument when discussing such things. Graphics, however, always spark arguments. I just need to learn that NeoGAF is actually a MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH more civilized place than Evilbore when it comes to such discussions. I'm sorry if it pisses you off, that wasn't my intention. I enjoy when people basically argue, but not when they start "yelling" and resorting to insults. That's just too much and not worth it.
Thanks for that. :\
It's just that every time I see you discussing a game, it's usually about the graphics. I've never really seen you comment on a game's gameplay or design or mechanics or what you LIKE about a game beyond graphics.
Which is the polar opposite to me, considering I'm all about gameplay, design, and mechanics.
you talk about overreaction much but yet again you go on and FUCKING on about frame rates, smoothness, etc in a FUCKING RPG!Dude, chill. Seriously. I don't let performance stop me from playing anything, but I do enjoy discussing it. There's no reason to get so damn upset over something so trivial. What's the deal, man?
Thanks for that. :\
It's just that every time I see you discussing a game, it's usually about the graphics. I've never really seen you comment on a game's gameplay or design or mechanics or what you LIKE about a game beyond graphics.
Which is the polar opposite to me, considering I'm all about gameplay, design, and mechanics.
Thanks for that. :\
It's just that every time I see you discussing a game, it's usually about the graphics. I've never really seen you comment on a game's gameplay or design or mechanics or what you LIKE about a game beyond graphics.
Not trueQuoteWhich is the polar opposite to me, considering I'm all about gameplay, design, and mechanics.
All you do is troll.
Also, Himuro has been factually proven to fuck goats. Would you take the words of a goat fucker seriously? Well I wouldn't.
I'm playing FFXIII and I'm going to approach it with an open mind. I honestly trust all of your opinions but I don't believe this is a game that should be missed even if it does turn out to be unanimously terrible.
I'm playing FFXIII and I'm going to approach it with an open mind. I honestly trust all of your opinions but I don't believe this is a game that should be missed even if it does turn out to be unanimously terrible.
When people agree or disagree on a movie, nobody gets their nose bent out of shape.
When people agree or disagree on a movie, nobody gets their nose bent out of shape.
:wtf
I'm playing FFXIII and I'm going to approach it with an open mind. I honestly trust all of your opinions but I don't believe this is a game that should be missed even if it does turn out to be unanimously terrible.I don't think it's terrible(as a Rogue Warrior)...it will have a lots of haters though
The game’s producers have gone on record as saying that western audiences don’t understand this first section, but in fact we do: it’s just a bit rubbish. The first 25 hours of the game are one long corridor of palette-swapped enemies, fights that never quite find the right level of challenge, and cutscene after cutscene (after cutscene) leaving your joypad entirely idle.
I'm playing FFXIII and I'm going to approach it with an open mind. I honestly trust all of your opinions but I don't believe this is a game that should be missed even if it does turn out to be unanimously terrible.
dark10x white knighting another PS3 "saviour" especially now that 360 version will be universally heavily downplayed as being the worse one?Where the hell did you get that idea? I've never said "FFXIII will be a great game!!!". It's not a "PS3 savior" nor does the system really need one at this point. The game doesn't really sound good and I'm not defending it!
who woulda thunk it ::)
I'm not spending money to play FF13. I just want to upgrade my PC for faster framerates and more awesome.dark10x white knighting another PS3 "saviour" especially now that 360 version will be universally heavily downplayed as being the worse one?Where the hell did you get that idea? I've never said "FFXIII will be a great game!!!". It's not a "PS3 savior" nor does the system really need one at this point. The game doesn't really sound good and I'm not defending it!
who woulda thunk it ::)
If anything, I do find this game rather fascinating simply because of the negative opinions. I'm more interested in playing it just to see what all the commotion was about, really.
I am partial to the PS3, though. I'm totally biased and never admitted otherwise. I am to PS3 as dcharlie is to XBOX360. Of course, I tend not to bash the shit out of XBOX360 titles as I DO love the system...I simply prefer the PS3 for some reason. My favorite game this year, thus far, is actually Mass Effect 2, believe it or not.
I suppose PC is where it's at. I'm considering dropping $400 on a f*cking video card, for christs sake.
Relax dark I was kind of kidding, sorry.
Oh and you won't be able to play FF13 on a PC so don't waste the money there.
Superior version. :rockNo disc swapping :rock
I don't care what you play it on, honestly. Console warrior-ing is stupid.
Is anyone surprised that the 360 version is not a perfect port? I mean, honestly now. It was still a smart decision by SE to do so as the game underperformed in Japan.Yes and no,underperforming in Japan?It did good,almost 2 million sold,but yeah publishers see only their targets...
Furthermore, the game was in development for the PS3 for ages and only recently, at least in terms of the FFXIII's dev cycle, was it ported. Of course it's not gonna an exact port.
Final Fantasy XIII isn’t an RPG; it’s something less.
This problem is exacerbated by the fact that Final Fantasy XIII is relentlessly linear. I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating: Many other RPGs are linear in the metaphorical sense, but the vast majority of this game is literally a straight line. Like the internet, it is a series of tubes in which you run forward, forward, ever forward, fighting battle after battle, breaking only to watch the lavish story sequences.
There’s a single exception. At about the 25-hour mark, you finally descend into the world of Pulse. Gran Pulse is a large open hub that breaks off into … well, more tubes, little winding capillaries that spider out from the heart. But the appeal of this area is less about the geography and more about what it represents — you can take a break from the story and undertake missions, which all involve killing some monster or another. These let you build up your stats, encounter side stories and generally avoid having to push forward.
This area came just at the right time, because I was sick of being in the tube. This was the most fun I had with XIII. But it’s too little and comes way too late: There’s not that much to do, because the missions just make you run back and forth across the plains killing monsters, and having to put up with all that bad level design just to get a little taste of (relative) freedom is the very definition of unbalanced. Then, once you’re done having fun, it’s back in the tube till the end of the game.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19073416&postcount=78
I'll accept my million in 20s, tyvm
The first half of the game is probably not very replayable because it's so linear
Bottom Line: The level cap makes a very balanced and challenging linear game,
It's funny how the two games that originally made me wanna run out and get a PS3 turned out not so great (FF13 and MGS4). Only ZoE3 is left. Hopefully it ends up being multiplatform if it comes out this gen.
The scores aren't terrible--above average or so.
I don't think I ever saw a main entry Final Fantasy receive this much criticism from the gaming press.
As it stands now, FF13 has a lower score than FFX-2 on Metacritic.
QuoteWhich games have more complex models that XIII? Not many.
ps3 ff13 has tearing, some bad texture artifacting, and a shoddy frame rate at times...
... i'm surprised you aren't FUCKING SUICIDING OMG!!!!
but hey, the story is shit, the characters are dire, the battle system is overhyped wank, the frame rate is up the wazzo, the textures are spaz city, and it tears like Gary Glitters new girlfriend .. WHATS NOT TO LIKE!?!
:/
But X-2 has a good battle system and isn't a series of corridors.nah! this is X-2
1.) Visit the temples, kill all the monsters flooding out from underground, defeat the head monsters (which, coincidentally, are Yuna's old Aeons under Shuyin's control) and save people's lives -- in exchange for all their money. Three cheers for disaster capitalism!
2.) Visit all the places in the world unaffected by the rampaging monster swarms and take a few hours to help lovesick monkeys find their soulmates, run PR campaigns for amusement parks, dig around in the desert for scrap metal, search the world for eligible brides for some twit, play the Spira equivalent of pogs (or Magic: the Gathering, Yu-Gi-Oh, Beyblades, Bakugan, or whatever the hell it is the uncool kids think is cool this year), or chase chocobos. The innocent people getting ripped to shreds can wait. Not like them or the monsters are going anywhere.
3.) Have a lot of asinine conversations, sparing the player from having to do even an iota of mental work for himself:
This thing is getting 5s, 7s, mostly 8s. These are terrible reviews for a Final Fantasy game. Maybe it's not the worst FF game, maybe it is...either way, they need to get back to their roots with this series. S-E seems to think the fan base has moved on from loving stats, leveling, finding new gear, dealing with equipping a bunch of shit, and...well, doing just about anything besides battles. I think they'd get a much better reception for a game heavy on JRPG/FF trappings than they think.final fantasy 12 was anything but classic and it got tons and tons of 9
But X-2 has a good battle system and isn't a series of corridors.nah! this is X-2Quote1.) Visit the temples, kill all the monsters flooding out from underground, defeat the head monsters (which, coincidentally, are Yuna's old Aeons under Shuyin's control) and save people's lives -- in exchange for all their money. Three cheers for disaster capitalism!
2.) Visit all the places in the world unaffected by the rampaging monster swarms and take a few hours to help lovesick monkeys find their soulmates, run PR campaigns for amusement parks, dig around in the desert for scrap metal, search the world for eligible brides for some twit, play the Spira equivalent of pogs (or Magic: the Gathering, Yu-Gi-Oh, Beyblades, Bakugan, or whatever the hell it is the uncool kids think is cool this year), or chase chocobos. The innocent people getting ripped to shreds can wait. Not like them or the monsters are going anywhere.
3.) Have a lot of asinine conversations, sparing the player from having to do even an iota of mental work for himself:
might i add that x-2 good battle system is "it has a job system" and the game rips everything from final fantasy x (which should be another strike might i add) which is a series of corridors.. if the fact that you get to decide from which tube you start (the lovesick monkeys or the chocobo chase? choices choices) running turns the game into a masterpiece... well i don't know what to say to youThis thing is getting 5s, 7s, mostly 8s. These are terrible reviews for a Final Fantasy game. Maybe it's not the worst FF game, maybe it is...either way, they need to get back to their roots with this series. S-E seems to think the fan base has moved on from loving stats, leveling, finding new gear, dealing with equipping a bunch of shit, and...well, doing just about anything besides battles. I think they'd get a much better reception for a game heavy on JRPG/FF trappings than they think.final fantasy 12 was anything but classic and it got tons and tons of 9
it's not a matter of getting back to his roots
I wanna play them, but I wouldn't drop $300 on a new system for those alone. I would've bought a PS3 just to play MGS4 if I had the money to back when it came out.It's funny how the two games that originally made me wanna run out and get a PS3 turned out not so great (FF13 and MGS4). Only ZoE3 is left. Hopefully it ends up being multiplatform if it comes out this gen.
Demon's Souls? :(
Valkyria? :(
that surely worked for blue dragon
I am so so so so so so so so so so so so disappointed in the direction Final Fantasy has taken after FF9 that I just stopped giving the series too much attention. Stopped discussing and talking about it, I hate on it exclusively but deep down it tortures my soul. Why has it become so much of a shitfest and why can't people see we're settling for mediocrity after the three masterpieces on Playstation?
S-E seems to think the fan base has moved on from loving stats, leveling, finding new gear, dealing with equipping a bunch of shit, and...well, doing just about anything besides battles. I think they'd get a much better reception for a game heavy on JRPG/FF trappings than they think.
QuoteS-E seems to think the fan base has moved on from loving stats, leveling, finding new gear, dealing with equipping a bunch of shit, and...well, doing just about anything besides battles. I think they'd get a much better reception for a game heavy on JRPG/FF trappings than they think.
I don't really get this comment. I don't think you can conclude much of anything about what S-E thinks about the fanbase from one game. As far as I can see, they think the fanbase has varied tastes and they are producing a variety of games to accommodate them, hence we get this (stripped down to battles and story), FF12 (more exploration, less story/cinematics), FF14 (MMO), FF Gaiden: 4 Warriors of Light for DS (retro style), Crystal Bearers (minimal battles, maximal exploration and "fluff" ... the opposite of FF13 in a way), Versus/Agito (we'll see), etc. It's hard to say the series is moving in any one specific direction. Actually, if anything the general trend is toward less linearity and story focus, and 13 is just an exception to that.
QuoteS-E seems to think the fan base has moved on from loving stats, leveling, finding new gear, dealing with equipping a bunch of shit, and...well, doing just about anything besides battles. I think they'd get a much better reception for a game heavy on JRPG/FF trappings than they think.
I don't really get this comment. I don't think you can conclude much of anything about what S-E thinks about the fanbase from one game. As far as I can see, they think the fanbase has varied tastes and they are producing a variety of games to accommodate them, hence we get this (stripped down to battles and story), FF12 (more exploration, less story/cinematics), FF14 (MMO), FF Gaiden: 4 Warriors of Light for DS (retro style), Crystal Bearers (minimal battles, maximal exploration and "fluff" ... the opposite of FF13 in a way), Versus/Agito (we'll see), etc. It's hard to say the series is moving in any one specific direction. Actually, if anything the general trend is toward less linearity and story focus, and 13 is just an exception to that.
Totally unrelated, but at this point why are their MMOs still being numbered as part of the mainline series when there are already a zillion other spinoffs as it is?
Totally unrelated, but at this point why are their MMOs still being numbered as part of the mainline series when there are already a zillion other spinoffs as it is?
you're missing the point.
they can do something different like FF12. Every game in the series tries something different, but with a certain foundation of JRPG gameplay. Even XII kept the usual stat/equipment grinding...hell, it may have even amped that up more than previous entries. but this time, "different" apparently means ditching just about everything people have come to like about the series and shooting straight for style over substance.
all I'm saying is that out of all the comments you see about this game, one of them conspicuously isn't "awesome, I wouldn't mind at all if future games in the series are just like this." Instead, it's fans going through existential crises for Square-Enix, wondering if this is really good or not. And that probably means it isn't good at all. This game won't be remembered all that fondly.
Been nice knowing you!I am so so so so so so so so so so so so disappointed in the direction Final Fantasy has taken after FF9 that I just stopped giving the series too much attention. Stopped discussing and talking about it, I hate on it exclusively but deep down it tortures my soul. Why has it become so much of a shitfest and why can't people see we're settling for mediocrity after the three masterpieces on Playstation?
Yup.
I have a friend who's a bigger FF cigarillo than me and even he's thinking about not getting FF13 at this point.
I have a co-worker who bought a PS3 just-to-play Final Fantasy XIII and after reading a bunch of reviews yesterday he decided to not purchase it anymore. I had to convince him otherwise!
You are not looking into this with a clear head.
The problem isn't that it's linear. The problem is that it holds your hand. Completely.
I think a mainline Final Fantasy game is a pretty good barometer for what Square thinks about the game's fanbase. It's their most public game.
I wanna play them, but I wouldn't drop $300 on a new system for those alone. I would've bought a PS3 just to play MGS4 if I had the money to back when it came out.It's funny how the two games that originally made me wanna run out and get a PS3 turned out not so great (FF13 and MGS4). Only ZoE3 is left. Hopefully it ends up being multiplatform if it comes out this gen.
Demon's Souls? :(
Valkyria? :(
seriously :lolI wanna play them, but I wouldn't drop $300 on a new system for those alone. I would've bought a PS3 just to play MGS4 if I had the money to back when it came out.It's funny how the two games that originally made me wanna run out and get a PS3 turned out not so great (FF13 and MGS4). Only ZoE3 is left. Hopefully it ends up being multiplatform if it comes out this gen.
Demon's Souls? :(
Valkyria? :(
You dodged a bullet there.
The game is out this tuesday. If you interested, you'll play it and feel free to post in the thread. Otherwise dont waste our bandwidth - seems easy enough
The game is out this tuesday. If you interested, you'll play it and feel free to post in the thread. Otherwise dont waste our bandwidth - seems easy enough
The game is out this tuesday. If you interested, you'll play it and feel free to post in the thread. Otherwise dont waste our bandwidth - seems easy enough
>implying that criticism based on numerous reviews and impressions means I'm not hyped or interested and am just trying to troll
I wanna play them, but I wouldn't drop $300 on a new system for those alone. I would've bought a PS3 just to play MGS4 if I had the money to back when it came out.It's funny how the two games that originally made me wanna run out and get a PS3 turned out not so great (FF13 and MGS4). Only ZoE3 is left. Hopefully it ends up being multiplatform if it comes out this gen.
Demon's Souls? :(
Valkyria? :(
You dodged a bullet there.
:meeble
I remember when all the game sites and podcasts were dismissing Lost Odyssey as irrelevant. "All the game developers are waiting for FF XIII to see what the direction of JRPGs will be. Until then we can't know what a good next gen JRPG is... bla bla bla." And now everyone is all, "I wish FF XIII were more like Lost Odyssey. boo hoo hoo.":lol
I remember when all the game sites and podcasts were dismissing Lost Odyssey as irrelevant. "All the game developers are waiting for FF XIII to see what the direction of JRPGs will be. Until then we can't know what a good next gen JRPG is... bla bla bla." And now everyone is all, "I wish FF XIII were more like Lost Odyssey. boo hoo hoo."Really? That's pretty funny after seeing how much hate Lost Odyssey got. :lol
Hopefully Versus will have multiplayer, it would be awesome to battle other players in a Pokemon-esque online arena.
Especially the battle music. I really want a sequel. :(I remember when all the game sites and podcasts were dismissing Lost Odyssey as irrelevant. "All the game developers are waiting for FF XIII to see what the direction of JRPGs will be. Until then we can't know what a good next gen JRPG is... bla bla bla." And now everyone is all, "I wish FF XIII were more like Lost Odyssey. boo hoo hoo."Yeah seriously, another loss for game "journalism".
Lost Odyssey was so awesome though.
Hopefully Versus will have multiplayer, it would be awesome to battle other players in a Pokemon-esque online arena.
Get that shit out of here.
I wouldn't mind a Lost Odyssey sequel so long as they got rid of Uchi-guchi as writer. Seriously, LO's plot was so unbelievably predictable and generic. Ask the guy who wrote the short stories to compose the main plot.No argument there. Also, make sure the kids are grown if they have to be in it.
I wouldn't mind a Lost Odyssey sequel so long as they got rid of Uchi-guchi as writer. Seriously, LO's plot was so unbelievably predictable and generic. Ask the guy who wrote the short stories to compose the main plot.No argument there. Also, make sure the kids are grown if they have to be in it.
level cap was good u grindfag.
oh NOW Lost Odyssey is amazing
oh NOW Lost Odyssey is amazingI really liked it, but I'm not gonna call it amazing. First game I almost got 1000/1000 for, but I didn't know what skills my immortals were missing and treasure trove is a bitch. Had to settle for 900/1000.
Hopefully Versus will have multiplayer, it would be awesome to battle other players in a Pokemon-esque online arena.
Get that shit out of here.
I know I'd spend a lot of hours playing VS13 if it had some kickass multiplayer. I mean, I get that Final Fantasy players don't want multiplayer, but think about it; Chocobo VS Chocobo in a bigass arena each with different stats and abilities.
That shit would be awesome.
I think the problem is that all the Mistwalker X360 games (well uh, the 2 of them) were two teams first projects. So they had a lot of good in them but they weren't perfect and didn't make everyone happy. In an ideal world, the sales would have been ok, MS would have financed sequels and the two teams would have come out with new rpgs based on their experience with the X360 and feedback from gamers/reviews. They would have been more "grown-up" products.*sigh* Who ever thought that there would actually be a gen where a Tales game sits at the top of the traditional jrpg throne? :'(
But unfortunately even though LO sold pretty decent and BD was the best selling game in Japan, MS didn't finance sequels and the teams went on to DS/Wii and N3-2 :-\
Hopefully Versus will have multiplayer, it would be awesome to battle other players in a Pokemon-esque online arena.
Get that shit out of here.
I know I'd spend a lot of hours playing VS13 if it had some kickass multiplayer. I mean, I get that Final Fantasy players don't want multiplayer, but think about it; Chocobo VS Chocobo in a bigass arena each with different stats and abilities.
That shit would be awesome.
LO is not amazing, it's generic pap. A sequel could be amazing if they actually, y'know, fixed its numerous problems.
Using the PD Scale-o-Meter, LO would rank like a 6.5322 out of 10.
It's certainly no Mass Effect. Mass Effect shits all over Lost Odyssey. :rock
I don't have time to justify myself to your viewers. I have a galaxy to catch, excuse me.fixed :smug
People are making too big of deal about this game because they took too damn long to bring it out (even though they made it in < 2 years.
The game took around 6 years to make with multiple iterations and across two generations of systems. They were also using the time to fine tune their Crystal Tools set for easy next-generation development (lol).
:piss Rikku :piss2::)
:drool Paine :drool
That leaked ps3 pic wasn't from FF13 ps2. It was from the Rkku side game they were going to make: FFX-3, essentially.
:piss Rikku :piss2::)
:drool Paine :drool
Rikku's for pedophiles.
QuoteThat leaked ps3 pic wasn't from FF13 ps2. It was from the Rkku side game they were going to make: FFX-3, essentially.
No, it was from FF13 PS2. They were just using FFX-2 and FFXII models as placeholders. There was never any Rikku side game.
I would probably bang all the chicks in FF.spoiler (click to show/hide)and the dudes who look like chicks, too :drool[close]
AND MY COPY HAS ARRIVED!!!
But I won't be able to play it today. Fuck.
the problem ain't with BioWare games having linear mapsBorys, that FF12 map still doesn't appear all that wide open.
the problem is that completely linear FF13 comes from this:
This is just one map I googled. The point is the whole world in FF12 was open-ended. You could travel from one point on the west side to the other on the east side via different routes/ maps. AFAIK FF13 has none of that.Nor has any other game in the series. FFXII was a unique game and it was naive to expect another one. That never ever happens with the series.
Maybe instead of posting JPGs you might actually take the time to play the game, because you see less than half of that map the first time through there, and you're not forced to go there ever again, unless you like hunting mobs.
That's how a lot of RPGs are, though. You can plow through many areas without seeing every nook and cranny. I certainly know that you can play Mass Effect 2 in that fashion if you choose (follow a straight line and run from battle to battle).OK, so hearing about the "tube" level design, I'm curious how representative this map is of the typical areas in this game...
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a29/dark1x/2010-03-07_23-04-1955li.jpg)
This type of map seems no more linear than what you see in games like Mass Effect 2 or a number of other standard JRPGs. Is this map an exception then?
Maybe instead of posting JPGs you might actually take the time to play the game, because you see less than half of that map the first time through there, and you're not forced to go there ever again, unless you like hunting mobs.
Individual missions in ME2 might look like that, but you get to do them in any order and you have 4 different hubs to visit as well. Plus you actually talk to people in between linear missions with only a handful of hands-off scripted scenes to interrupt gameplay. also the dialog and charactera arent shit. Not sure why this needs to be explained.
magus is drunk
as opposed to other rpg that let you graze the grass while you are on town and let you talk to interessing npc :smug
seriously this is frustating me so fucking much,jrpg are linear! having a problem with this fact it's like having a problem with the fact that the water is wet or the earth is round,it makes absolutely no fucking sense
just for giving you an example,recently i'm replaying shadow hearts content,here's how my last 5 hours went,dungeon,dungeon,dungeon,town,dungeon
i think after that i spent 20 minute,backtracking to a previous dungeon since i needed to take a photo of a previously fought monster so i could clear a sidequest and get a prize,if these 20 minutes wasted into retracing your path are what makes you tick then i really don't know what the fuck to tell you...
I think many realize that. It seems like XIII is more akin to an actual shooter (such as Gears of War) in terms of progression. You're always moving forward to the next event and fighting along the way.as opposed to other rpg that let you graze the grass while you are on town and let you talk to interessing npc :smug
seriously this is frustating me so fucking much,jrpg are linear! having a problem with this fact it's like having a problem with the fact that the water is wet or the earth is round,it makes absolutely no fucking sense
just for giving you an example,recently i'm replaying shadow hearts content,here's how my last 5 hours went,dungeon,dungeon,dungeon,town,dungeon
i think after that i spent 20 minute,backtracking to a previous dungeon since i needed to take a photo of a previously fought monster so i could clear a sidequest and get a prize,if these 20 minutes wasted into retracing your path are what makes you tick then i really don't know what the fuck to tell you...
Once again, the problem is not that the game is linear. Games like Mass Effect 2 are linear, but they the illusion of freedom. Past Final Fantasy's did the same thing.
So once again, stop trying to argue our point and wait until you play the game.
I think many realize that. It seems like XIII is more akin to an actual shooter (such as Gears of War) in terms of progression. You're always moving forward to the next event and fighting along the way.as opposed to other rpg that let you graze the grass while you are on town and let you talk to interessing npc :smug
seriously this is frustating me so fucking much,jrpg are linear! having a problem with this fact it's like having a problem with the fact that the water is wet or the earth is round,it makes absolutely no fucking sense
just for giving you an example,recently i'm replaying shadow hearts content,here's how my last 5 hours went,dungeon,dungeon,dungeon,town,dungeon
i think after that i spent 20 minute,backtracking to a previous dungeon since i needed to take a photo of a previously fought monster so i could clear a sidequest and get a prize,if these 20 minutes wasted into retracing your path are what makes you tick then i really don't know what the fuck to tell you...
Once again, the problem is not that the game is linear. Games like Mass Effect 2 are linear, but they the illusion of freedom. Past Final Fantasy's did the same thing.
So once again, stop trying to argue our point and wait until you play the game.
No, not exactly.I think many realize that. It seems like XIII is more akin to an actual shooter (such as Gears of War) in terms of progression. You're always moving forward to the next event and fighting along the way.as opposed to other rpg that let you graze the grass while you are on town and let you talk to interessing npc :smug
seriously this is frustating me so fucking much,jrpg are linear! having a problem with this fact it's like having a problem with the fact that the water is wet or the earth is round,it makes absolutely no fucking sense
just for giving you an example,recently i'm replaying shadow hearts content,here's how my last 5 hours went,dungeon,dungeon,dungeon,town,dungeon
i think after that i spent 20 minute,backtracking to a previous dungeon since i needed to take a photo of a previously fought monster so i could clear a sidequest and get a prize,if these 20 minutes wasted into retracing your path are what makes you tick then i really don't know what the fuck to tell you...
Once again, the problem is not that the game is linear. Games like Mass Effect 2 are linear, but they the illusion of freedom. Past Final Fantasy's did the same thing.
So once again, stop trying to argue our point and wait until you play the game.
So when people bring up other rpg's linearity they should realize that their argument is stupid, right?
I received a mini-strategy guide for reserving the game.
It's by some company called Piggyback Interactive.
So...FF guides aren't done by Brady Games anymore?
End of an era!
Nailed it. Nice job himuHe attempted to, and failed.
No, not exactly.
If discussing dungeons specifically, I would say that they are no more linear than most other JRPGs. That's the main point.
It's the other stuff that is different. Some games do it very well (Mass Effect series) while many others fail. Tales of Vesperia, for instance, has a bunch of towns...but they are all only like two screens and offer very little story content for the player. Just a bunch of NPCs standing in place with nothing of importance to say.
XIII lacks towns, that's the main issue. The rest of the game is par for the genre, however.
I received a mini-strategy guide for reserving the game.
It's by some company called Piggyback Interactive.
So...FF guides aren't done by Brady Games anymore?
End of an era!
If the game is just one linear procession, do you really need a strategy guide? Should be like a leaflet.
"Beat that dude. Go forward."
I'm going to the midnight launch :teehee
Did he now? You tried to say this is just like mass effect so no one who likes that can bitch. Now you are saying that this game chooses not to do things that mass effect does masterfully, but its ok because ff13 is really more like gears anyway. Ok.You're really reading into this too much.
A big part of playing an rpg is falling in love with its world, exploring every nook and cranny, and really getting invested in its world.I suppose this statement explains why we were arguing in the first place. I never explore every nook and cranny nor take part in any side quests in most RPGs. There are exceptions, such as the Mass Effect series, but in general I just plow through from start to finish following the main story. I think you simply take a different approach to these games, that's all.
I received a mini-strategy guide for reserving the game.
It's by some company called Piggyback Interactive.
So...FF guides aren't done by Brady Games anymore?
End of an era!
I received a mini-strategy guide for reserving the game.
It's by some company called Piggyback Interactive.
So...FF guides aren't done by Brady Games anymore?
End of an era!
uh all my guides are done by piggyback,i remember how distinguished mentally-challenged FF9 guide was! basicaly some snippets would be like "ehy dude! go check the awesome squaresoft site for tips! here is your keyword to access it!"
and by the way we could go on and on arguing about this or that but i guess it wouldn't be good for this thread so let's just agree to disagree
I'm going to the midnight launch :teehee
XIII lacks towns, that's the main issue. The rest of the game is par for the genre, however.Wrong,XIII has "towns".And that is not the main issue.
Oh, I see it, but I don't find those types of areas all that appealing. I enjoy large, complex maps if it is organic in design, but a lot of those RPG maps are basically mazes and I don't really enjoy that type of shit.But the problem with your argument is this: Mass Effect 2 has tube-like dungeons, it's true. But it also has more than dungeons.
If FF13 had areas like this:
There would be no argument.
TOTAL ANNIHILATION
:bow Himuro :bow2
Come on dark & others can't you see this? The joke of a world in FF13?
See - i didn't go in expecting to hate it, i expected it to be at least a highly polished game with a decent yarn at worst.I know, but it just seems to happen a LOT. It seems like you dislike most of the games you buy these days. :P
My expectations were reasonably set and they weren't met.
hell, i bought a full set of Elixir! Though they've now been mainly drank.
ME2 levels are lineair as hell too. Didn't stop me from enjoying it.
Well, fair enough. I guess bitching about games one hates is more fun than praising the ones you love (I do this too). :PQuoteI know, but it just seems to happen a LOT. It seems like you dislike most of the games you buy these days.
i don't think that's true at all - my latest games :
Demons Souls - very good
FFXIII - hated, couldn't finish
Borderlands - loved
Mass Effect 2 - loved
Bioshock 2 - average, need to go back to
Heavy Rain - loved
Aliens vs Predator - largely awful
Espgaluda 2 - love, but it's frigging hard
and in amongst that a ton of retro stuff i bought, played and loved (Dodonpachi, pacland, phoenix, scramble, Magic Sword, etc)
In truth, there are very very few games i hate - FF13 just happens to be one of them.
I mean, what was the game prior to this i vocally didn't enjoy? (demos don't count) Killzone 2 ? even then i thought it was "okay"QuoteME2 levels are lineair as hell too
not to the same extent they aren't.
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/6683/1268088092707.jpg)
I'm lukewarm on that one. It was not bad, but there were many aspects that rubbed me the wrong way. Definitely a solid game, but not particularly memorable. I enjoyed Lost Odyssey MUCH more than Vesperia. LO is the only one I've actually completed, actually. Almost finished Vesperia, but ultimately lost interest. I dunno why I liked LO so much, as it was definitely flawed, but I just kept playing.I've purchased many JRPGs this gen and hated all but one (Lost Odyssey being the only one I liked), so I don't know why I'm doing this again.
You didn't like Vesperia? Yeah it's super ~uguu but it's not that bad.
I'm lukewarm on that one. It was not bad, but there were many aspects that rubbed me the wrong way. Definitely a solid game, but not particularly memorable. I enjoyed Lost Odyssey MUCH more than Vesperia. LO is the only one I've actually completed, actually. Almost finished Vesperia, but ultimately lost interest. I dunno why I liked LO so much, as it was definitely flawed, but I just kept playing.I've purchased many JRPGs this gen and hated all but one (Lost Odyssey being the only one I liked), so I don't know why I'm doing this again.
You didn't like Vesperia? Yeah it's super ~uguu but it's not that bad.
I won't be getting it tomorrow, most likely on Wednesday it seems. :'( Just saw a commercial too.
I'm surprised by the love fest that is happening on most forums. Most fanboys seem to be loving the hell out of it.Fixed.
As a rather picky gamer, however, I suspect I won't enjoy it as much.
For my next command; dark1x the kingdom's framerate is dangerously low and there's some screen tearing in the lower quarter. Do something about it posthaste.Yes sir, I'll get to work on it.
We have spoken. :smugspoiler (click to show/hide):-*[close]
I walked up and down the hallway a few times tonight. Thought of FFXIII.:rofl
So basically everyone who's posted so far is "enjoying" it. Wow, didnt see this one coming.
White whine annihilated
and you said ff is no longer relevant.So basically everyone who's posted so far is "enjoying" it. Wow, didnt see this one coming.
White whine annihilated
I have said over and over that it is a FUN GAME.
and you said ff is no longer relevant.So basically everyone who's posted so far is "enjoying" it. Wow, didnt see this one coming.
White whine annihilated
I have said over and over that it is a FUN GAME.
i don't wanna ban you now.and you said ff is no longer relevant.So basically everyone who's posted so far is "enjoying" it. Wow, didnt see this one coming.
White whine annihilated
I have said over and over that it is a FUN GAME.
Learn to read.
Sounds like backpedaling to me. Why cant you admit you are a hardcore japfag like the rest of us. FF13 > BioWare
BU BU BU THIS DOESN'T PLAY LIKE OTHER FFS
REMEMBER HOW GOOD LAST GENS FF GAMES WERE
BOOHOO SQUARE ENIX SUCKS NOW I HATE THEM
UNORIGINAL CRYBABY FINAL FANTASY HATERS COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY DEMOLISHED AS USUAL
:bow Final Fantasy :bow2
long live the king
God the battle music makes me cumI think this is what did it for me last night.
Yeah, which is for the better, as he should be able to work on other games for a change. Up until FFXIII, Hamauzu was generally limited to B or C class games. He would produce these outstanding soundtracks for shitty games. I'm surprised he put up with it that long, to be honest.God the battle music makes me cumI think this is what did it for me last night.
Didn't the composer already leave Square Enix, though?
I haven't played a final fantasy game in awhile. I had fogotten how cheeseball this stuff is...
I haven't played a final fantasy game in awhile. I had fogotten how cheeseball this stuff is...
I actually said,"I'm too old for this shit." out loud.
What about a japafag rpg with good dialogue?
FFXII had pretty good dialogue. At times...
FFXII had pretty good dialogue. At times...
As did Dragon Quest VIII. But, I don't expect that from a JRPG.
It's more engaging off the bat than pretty much every other JRPG outside of Lost Odyssey, though, which isn't saying much. I kind of like the main character and Sazh, but the rest are pretty bad thus far due to the over the top cheesiness. We'll see...
Paradigm shift is pretty damn cool.
Only tri-ace makes stories worth paying attention to.
Paradigm shift completely changes the way in which your party approaches battle. If you want to pound on the enemies to get them staggering, you shift. If you want to change characters to a more defensive/healing stance, you paradigm shift. If you want to just kick some ass, you can paradigm shift to that mode.
Only tri-ace makes stories worth paying attention to.
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Has the PAL version even come out yet?
I have the PAL version of Batman: Arkham Asylum. It was ten bucks cheaper than the (also region-free) NTSC version. I play it on VGA so the fact that it's PAL doesn't matter to me.
So it'd play on an NTSC SD TV?
Play-Asia doesn't list the PAL version of FFXIII for some reason.
I'll give it 10 hours.
QuoteI'll give it 10 hours.
Why not just give up now? 10 hours is a fair-sized chunk of time.
Play-Asia only lists the US 360 version of FFXIII. No PAL or Asian versions listed as far as I can see.
QuoteI'll give it 10 hours.
Why not just give up now? 10 hours is a fair-sized chunk of time.
It's a JRPG. They take a little time to get going.
Honestly I'm waiting to see if the story picks up. If I'm going to play a JRPG that is why I'm going to play it. I'm not saying it has to be the world's greatest story. My story bar for videogames is fairly low. It just has to be enough to drive me to keep going along with the leveling and the battle system. We'll see. It's off to a bad start but I'll give it a fair shake before I throw in the towel.
btw the only party member so far who isn't incredibly annoying is the black dude. That's gotta be a first for a japanese game.
True, but Play-Asia would be fuck cheaper, papangu. :(
lightning is like the least interesting ff lead ever
honestly, vaan was more interesting, and he was hellishly awful
chaotic? they're mindless!
well, in its defense, it *is* more of a game than heavy rain, and better looking to bootand that's the 360 version.
Love how this thread went from "lol FFXIII is such a shit game" to everybody buying and playing it.spoiler (click to show/hide)If the PAL version really is region-free I'm gonna be playing it too. :-\[close]
star ocean 4 > ff13reported for insanity.
star ocean 4 > ff13reported for insanity.
star ocean 4 > ff13
Love how this thread went from "lol FFXIII is such a shit game" to everybody buying and playing it.spoiler (click to show/hide)If the PAL version really is region-free I'm gonna be playing it too. :-\[close]
Well I'm doing gamefly honestly and I'd have a hard time recommending a buy from what I've played...
I played a little more this evening. The characters are still kind of lame but the combat system is picking up. It's so fast, I feel kind of dumb because I have a hard time keeping up and following the stats and doing what I need to do in time but it seems compelling at least.
Love how this thread went from "lol FFXIII is such a shit game" to everybody buying and playing it.spoiler (click to show/hide)If the PAL version really is region-free I'm gonna be playing it too. :-\[close]
wat, it's easy
use libra or hit r2 to call up the enemy's weakness when the battle starts if you don't know it
cast the spell type that weakens/staggers them
autobattle x n where n is a sufficiently large integer
win
wat, it's easy
use libra or hit r2 to call up the enemy's weakness when the battle starts if you don't know it
cast the spell type that weakens/staggers them
autobattle x n where n is a sufficiently large integer
win
I'm probably over thinking it. But I find as I split my focus between trying to watch the battle and do the commands, I'm a little late on the commands.
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yeah, good stuff
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I don't use auto battle, just like I turned off all gambits in FFXII. :smug
god this story is soooooo stupid
that does it, vanille's name is now cunt-chan
Honestly I feel sort of dumb playing the game. (Referring to me in that context not the game itself.)
It's like I'm only playing because its this big sort of spectacle of a game and franchise. I don't really enjoy myself that much while I'm playing it nor do I really find it all that interesting. It's just sort of like I haven't played a FF game in awhile ( I haven't played a FF game since 10) so I thought I owed it to myself to see where the franchise is at. Its kinda an odd motivation to play a game.
OMG THIS JUNK HEAP DUNGEON WON'T FUCK END
Stoney where are you? Ch.2 & 6 are the worst parts of the game. There is this forest that just drones on and on forever.
Ch.7 is the first part of the game where it's actually an enjoyable (albeit linear) game imo.
IGN gave this an 8.9. Is that too high?
Yuppppppppp. Well, I'm sure it'll get a Japanese/Asian release eventually. I have other shit to play in the meantime.
Why are new weapons always shittier than the weapon I started out with? :lol
Why are new weapons always shittier than the weapon I started out with? :lol
This is a good thing.
Instead of having a bunch of weapons where each is better than the last. You have 6 weapons per characters that all have their own strength & weakness. None are better than others. So pick whichever you like.
Why are new weapons always shittier than the weapon I started out with? :lol
This is a good thing.
Instead of having a bunch of weapons where each is better than the last. You have 6 weapons per characters that all have their own strength & weakness. None are better than others. So pick whichever you like.
There are only six weapons for each character? Are you serious...?
When FF13 gets down it REALLY gets down.
:bow
Potentially the best FF battle system. If the normal battles end up being NEARLY as vicious as the boss battles this game is a fucking winner.
I'm somewhere in Chapter 5 now. I'm over like 10 hours now.
I don't know. Still a sort of middling game to me. The story concept is alright but the actual execution is very poor from the acting to the voice dialogue at parts (outside of the black dude who consistently is the most solid and realistic character by far)
The combat system seems relatively simple but I like it enough and its major benefit is that it is extremely quick relative to other RPG's. So if I die, I don't feel like I have to spend another 20 minutes fighting whoever killed me again although obviously I assume the later boss battles get more lengthy.
It's necessarily how linear the game is that is the problem. It's how monotonous it is. You really need something game-wise to break up just walking around and fighting. And just watching cutscenes isn't enough. I don't care if its bliztball or action elements or whatever but you need fucking something to break up the pattern. The fact that you aren't meeting any decent NPC's and you are just stuck with a mostly annoying cast certainly doesn't help. Supposely I understand there is some stuff later but its poor game design imo to just say well wait 20 or 25 hours and then the game actually starts to vary things up somewhat.
I'll probably finish it and the game and story has improved from the dreadful beginning but its still very flawed and often very annoying all across the board.
QuoteMy problem isn't the linearity but the completely lack of anything to mix up the linearity
awesome, welcome aboard the good shit HMS Harsh Reality
yes , it picks up from "abortion clinic dumpster" to regular old "dead children bin" levels around ch 6.
Don't worry - only a few chapters to go till you get to "wait, my finger is up a corpse's arse!" level of awesome. Those dead baby nightmares of this fucking turd of a game are nearly over!
<vader>Stockholm Syndrome is strong with this one</vader>
Rodi, would you eat Lightning or Fang's muff?
Rodi, would you eat Lightning or Fang's muff?
I should probably mention: I only really played FF8 and 9. I have no idea what you're talking about, but if it has to do with muff diving - I'm all in!
Rodi, would you eat Lightning or Fang's muff?
I should probably mention: I only really played FF8 and 9. I have no idea what you're talking about, but if it has to do with muff diving - I'm all in!
Oh, sorry. You didnt play the others? Shit go look up the casts of 10 10-2 12 and 13 and come back and tell us who's muff you'd devour.
Links:
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_X
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/X-2
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XII
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII
QuoteIt was still good enough for me to want to play it pretty much all day.
and i had 7 wanks this morning, doesn't mean it's better than sex.
also, you gave away your piracyX360 so it's not like FF13 has any competition.
what the hell you going to play instead? Heavy rain? LBP? Killzone 2?spoiler (click to show/hide)MLB10 would be fine[close]
QuoteIt was still good enough for me to want to play it pretty much all day.
and i had 7 wanks this morning, doesn't mean it's better than sex.
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I've been pretty consistent. Aside from two crappy chapters, the game owns.
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I've been pretty consistent. Aside from two crappy chapters, the game owns.
Maybe I just keep stepping into the thread whenever you're apparently flopping back and forth like a fish on a pier! ok, move along then, nothing to see here.
Was there some well thought-out, intentional, possibly artistic reason for making the dungeons so linear, leaving out puzzles and not letting you really explore the towns? Or did they just do that to shorten the development cycle?
Was there some well thought-out, intentional, possibly artistic reason for making the dungeons so linear, leaving out puzzles and not letting you really explore the towns? Or did they just do that to shorten the development cycle?
four hours inA friend bought the 360 version. I'll be borrowing it in the future instead of wasting my money on it.
liking the game
haters are missing out i think
I'll be joining you fucking homos on Sunday :hyper The wife is buying it for me in addition to my steak and BJ
I can't fucking wait. This is the first FF I've heard good things about in a long time. I'll be getting the superior PS3 version (no cheevs though :'() So I'm pretty happy.
I was never a fan of the Yakuza games. :tomato
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I've been pretty consistent. Aside from two crappy chapters, the game owns.
got it :)I was never a fan of the Yakuza games. :tomato
Get Mass Effect 2
Is anybody playing this on 360? How bad is it?
Its explained pretty in your face in the game man.
The japafag in you is strong, because you seem to understand all that crap.
All I know so far is that people turn into those weird monsters when they fail at something.
The rest was pretty strange. Maybe because of all the "cie" words.
They should've used more different names. It's a bit confusing this way.
The plot of Final Fantasy XIII takes place in a world known as Pulse and revolves around the story of the fal'Cie (ファルシ, farushi?) (pronounced /ˈfælsiː "fal see"/), mechanical beings with godlike power created by a being called the Marker. Each fal'Cie has crystals residing inside them.[13] People who are marked by the fal'Cie are called l'Cie (ルシ, rushi?).[24] Each l'Cie has a Focus, a goal the fal'Cie wants him or her to fulfill within a certain amount of time; however, the fal'Cie do not explicitly say what the goal is: l'Cie learn what their Focus is by interpreting visions that are given to them. L'Cie gain the ability to summon Eidolons (monsters who fight with the l'Cie), but this ability comes with a price: if a l'Cie dies before completing his or her Focus, fails to tame his or her Eidolon, or fails to complete his or her Focus within a set period of time, he or she becomes a monster known as a Cie'th (シ骸, shigai?, Cie Corpse in the japanese version).[25] If a l'Cie does complete his or her Focus, the reward is not much better: permanent transformation into a crystal. For this reason, being chosen as a l'Cie is seen as a curse.
a falsie makes you a lacy by giving you a focus. DUH.
Holy fucking shit. That is distinguished mentally-challenged.QuoteThe plot of Final Fantasy XIII takes place in a world known as Pulse and revolves around the story of the fal'Cie (ファルシ, farushi?) (pronounced /ˈfælsiː "fal see"/), mechanical beings with godlike power created by a being called the Marker. Each fal'Cie has crystals residing inside them.[13] People who are marked by the fal'Cie are called l'Cie (ルシ, rushi?).[24] Each l'Cie has a Focus, a goal the fal'Cie wants him or her to fulfill within a certain amount of time; however, the fal'Cie do not explicitly say what the goal is: l'Cie learn what their Focus is by interpreting visions that are given to them. L'Cie gain the ability to summon Eidolons (monsters who fight with the l'Cie), but this ability comes with a price: if a l'Cie dies before completing his or her Focus, fails to tame his or her Eidolon, or fails to complete his or her Focus within a set period of time, he or she becomes a monster known as a Cie'th (シ骸, shigai?, Cie Corpse in the japanese version).[25] If a l'Cie does complete his or her Focus, the reward is not much better: permanent transformation into a crystal. For this reason, being chosen as a l'Cie is seen as a curse.
FF13 bring to you :
Extreme next gen graphics, pixels and polygons included!
Superbly crafted soundscapes , full orchestration!!!
Mega Extreme Uguu Uguu Story line ! Unnecessarily complicated to give illusion of depth!
Just got home and gonna play for 30-40 minutes before going on a group run.
I was surprised the FF fanboys at Edge gave this game a 5/10.
he's the only character that feels remotely real in the game so far. the rest are a bunch of fucking preoccupied emo twats...besides Vanille. She's just...she has the mind of a 5 year old, literally.
which is weird, because all signs pointed to Sazh being the stereotypical token black guy used for comic relief.
:bow Sazh :bow2
between him and Jacob, it's a good year to be black in an RPG
I'm 8 hours in, I really like this. I hope Szah's VA gets a lot of work , I love hearing the Black Baron in his voice when he says certain things. Odin gave me a bit of trouble at first, I kept dieing so fucking quickly.
I'm probably the only who likes all the cast members thus far, even Vanille in her severe simplicity.
You're like one of the first black people on the internet that I've seen say they like Sazh. I think Blackace's exact words were, "No black man would let a bird live in his hair," lolzhe's the only character that feels remotely real in the game so far. the rest are a bunch of fucking preoccupied emo twats...besides Vanille. She's just...she has the mind of a 5 year old, literally.
which is weird, because all signs pointed to Sazh being the stereotypical token black guy used for comic relief.
Yeah oddly enough he is one of the best "black" characters I've ever seen in a videogame before mainly because they stick to a real characterization and they got a good voice actor. He's not black because they want to crack black jokes or play into some stereotypes. His race doesn't matter at all which is a nice thing and unheard of in most mediums of entertainment.
He's clearly the most "real" character in this game. Not that every character necessarily has to be realistic but it is a nice change of pace and surprising in this context.
You're like one of the first black people on the internet that I've seen say they like Sazh. I think Blackace's exact words were, "No black man would let a bird live in his hair," lolz
yeah, it's weird being 8 hours in and not feeling like I'm getting the whole deal yet.
I think some of the battles make it kinda awesome. I actually died from a regular enemy in a 3d Final Fantasy game, someone call the cops.
You're like one of the first black people on the internet that I've seen say they like Sazh. I think Blackace's exact words were, "No black man would let a bird live in his hair," lolz
He's probably joking. Blackace is a pretty sensible dude.
Yeah, pretty sure he was serious.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20192261&postcount=2348
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20194357&postcount=2376
Yeah, pretty sure he was serious.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20192261&postcount=2348
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20194357&postcount=2376
You're like one of the first black people on the internet that I've seen say they like Sazh. I think Blackace's exact words were, "No black man would let a bird live in his hair," lolz
He's probably joking. Blackace is a pretty sensible dude.
No, he's really not. Closet Racist, imo.
Yeah, pretty sure he was serious.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20192261&postcount=2348
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20194357&postcount=2376
Woah, they got back together and did another podcast.
GAFcast Episode 18, 03/02/2010 - "Holy Shit They Actually Made Another One" edition
If you had told young me that in 2010 Final Fantasy 13 would cost $60, wouldn't get good until around 15ish hours in and that people would be ok with that I would have kicked you in the junk. smh @ the low standards around here.
If you had told young me that in 2010 Final Fantasy 13 would cost $60, wouldn't get good until around 15ish hours in and that people would be ok with that I would have kicked you in the junk. smh @ the low standards around here.
If you had told young me that in 2010 Final Fantasy 13 would cost $60, wouldn't get good until around 15ish hours in and that people would be ok with that I would have kicked you in the junk. smh @ the low standards around here.
There is literally no other game in the world like FFXIII for better or worse.
If you had told young me that in 2010 Final Fantasy 13 would cost $60, wouldn't get good until around 15ish hours in and that people would be ok with that I would have kicked you in the junk. smh @ the low standards around here.
There is literally no other game in the world like FFXIII for better or worse.
yet it feels like a very boiled down version of just about any JRPG, but with a unique battle system.
I'm black and Sazh is my favorite character in the game.
You have to have skin the layer of a sheet to be offended by Sazh. He's the straight man, the most realistic character and just charming in general.
Um is this game worth getting if you go by the battle system alone?
If you had told young me that in 2010 Final Fantasy 13 would cost $60, wouldn't get good until around 15ish hours in and that people would be ok with that I would have kicked you in the junk. smh @ the low standards around here.
There is literally no other game in the world like FFXIII for better or worse.
yet it feels like a very boiled down version of just about any JRPG, but with a unique battle system.
My other jrpgs aren't linear tunnels.
Black people get Sazh; White people get Vanille:lol
Am willing to trade
If you had told young me that in 2010 Final Fantasy 13 would cost $60, wouldn't get good until around 15ish hours in and that people would be ok with that I would have kicked you in the junk. smh @ the low standards around here.FF13 never gets better,don't listen to those lies.
Yep. Blackace :rock
If you had told young me that in 2010 Final Fantasy 13 would cost $60, wouldn't get good until around 15ish hours in and that people would be ok with that I would have kicked you in the junk. smh @ the low standards around here.
There is literally no other game in the world like FFXIII for better or worse.
yet it feels like a very boiled down version of just about any JRPG, but with a unique battle system.
My other jrpgs aren't linear tunnels.
I know it doesn't matter, but holy christ, this game looks insane at times. Some of the backgrounds are just unbelievable looking. I'm saying this after just installing a new Radeon 5870 in my PC and experiencing Crysis at 60 fps. Hopefully SE puts this engine to use in the future as it absolutely delivers on the visual front.
The only thing missing is motion blur ala God of War 3, Uncharted 2, Crysis, or Resident Evil 5. That would make a tremendous difference, I think.
The japafag in me is too strong for hating this game. I'm trying to like this very much. :'(
I'm not there yet, but I'm already blown away by the environment quality. The area following the demo when you first enter the fal'Cie thing, for instance, is just insane looking. There is a ton of geometry in there, great lighting, and awesome art design. I haven't seen a single bland background. Honestly, it looks good enough that it nearly makes up for the simplistic level design. I prefer this to, say, Blue Dragon or Persona where you get a bunch of samey looking mazes. I'm surprised by the large scale feeling of everything, really.I know it doesn't matter, but holy christ, this game looks insane at times. Some of the backgrounds are just unbelievable looking. I'm saying this after just installing a new Radeon 5870 in my PC and experiencing Crysis at 60 fps. Hopefully SE puts this engine to use in the future as it absolutely delivers on the visual front.
The only thing missing is motion blur ala God of War 3, Uncharted 2, Crysis, or Resident Evil 5. That would make a tremendous difference, I think.
Yeah, it's no Crysis, but I think it's up there with the best looking console games. The character models are so good I'd even put them above Crysis in that respect. The environment though brings it back down to console reality.
Although it helps that some environments have really good art to make up for lack of polygons. I don't know if you're talking about ch.12, but if you aren't, ch.12 will blow you away visually.
No, he's really not. Closet Racist, imo.
that's serah, not vanille
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oh god end me
You guys all hate on Tim Rogers' reviews, but he was the first one to bring up the awkward&creepy BIG MAN Snow x TINY LITTLE GIRL Serah relationship.
Sequel
While building teams is now in the hands of the player, the responsibility of building the unique worlds of Pulse and Cocoon rested firmly on the shoulders of the Final Fantasy creators. Even after playing a mere five hours, it feels to me that there is much more to this universe than this story. It seems obvious to continue adventures on these two worlds in a direct sequel. So, will there be a Final Fantasy XIII-2? The men laugh and begin to answer very diplomatically: “That depends on how well the game sells in the West!” But after pressing a bit, Kitase concedes he would very much like to do a direct sequel. “In the past three years we worked both on the world and on the various systems. Creating these systems isn’t very glamourous and can frankly be a bit boring. If we could do a XIII-2, we could direct all our attention to the story and refine what we have already built.”
This is an advantage which will not exist for the team that might create Final fantasy XV (XIV is already announced as an MMO). Every numbered Final Fantasy game stands on its own, and is created starting with a blank slate. Still, elements carry over to become canon, like chocobo, crystals, and archetypcal spells. What elements of FFXIII would Kitase like to carry over into future Final Fantasies?
We do not know if there will be a XV. This depends a lot on the success of XIII. Also, it is difficult to pinpoint elements that are typical Final Fantasy. They are mostly invisible: part of the DNA of the game, that everyone recognizes as typical Final Fantasy. But *if* there is a XV, I hope the way we wrote our characters carries over. We strived to create believable people of flesh and blood. They are not robots. And they are not super heroes. I hope this humanity is something we will see again.”
I'm now at chapter 5. The game has been too easy so far.
btw
Does anyone have any weapon upgrade tips? I still haven upgraded any items. Don't know where to start..
The weapon upgrade system sucks is probably the worst weapon upgrade system I've ever encountered in an rpg.
Another thing, is that is doesn't even make a difference it seems. I'm still using level 1 weapons in Chapter 7 without much difficultly. What's weird is that I always thought that since FFVIII, the FF team has tried to deemphasize weapons and equipment, but FFXIII weapon system seems to have been the idea of some overworked studio intern.The weapon upgrade system sucks is probably the worst weapon upgrade system I've ever encountered in an rpg.
Cosigned, they have all these "interesting" items/materials you find but at the end of the day they're just an XP number and a multiplier modifier. BOR-ING. It's like a parody of RPG upgrade systems a la Progress Quest.
If they didn't have to spend time making the engine or assets it means they could spend the time making an actual GAME.
If they made FFXIII-2, a gameplay-focused experience like FFX-2 but in FFXIII's interesting world...awesome.
the music in this game has been really awful so far
Is it fair to say that FF13 is pretty much like a beat-em up with turn based combat and more story? I haven't read much about FF13 but that's the impression I'm getting from this thread.
I'll pick it up just to see how much Jap developers have fallen behind the times.
Most likely, it'll be the 360 version that I"m getting. The smoother framerate on the 360 more than makes up for the barely noticeable visual differences. Also, I prefer the 360 controller for games like this and it's hard to resist the nostalgic value of a 4-discs JRPG package.
I returned Demon's Souls because it sounds like too much work. Unless you're a high school student or unemployed, why the hell would you want to spend your precious time playing a game that not only forces you to repeat the same sections many times but also has no quick-saving capability?
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Play The Last Remnant. It even has a superior PC version
Did you actually play the PC version, demi? I heard the enemies were made more powerful to make up for the system change, so it's no easier. Is that not correct?
I have no interest in Vesperia 'cause the Tales game I tried on the PSP was like a distinguished mentally-challenged version of Diablo. Valkyria Chronicles seems to be made for gamers that can't handle real strategy games like Company of Heroes.
Agreed. The soundtrack is stellar this time around.Quotethe music in this game has been really awful so far
Nah, you just have shit taste that's all.
That can't be real. It just can't.http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/03/final-fantasy-gdc/ (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/03/final-fantasy-gdc/)
So how does upgrading work? Should I just go nuts and use every component I have?
They're only using Hitman and Tomb Raider in that example because they own Eidos. That doesn't excuse it from being stupid though, just saying.
But his Uncharted 2 comparison is valid. He's only talking about how some of the cutscenes in U2 are interactive and he'd like to do that with FF going forward. Could be
cool.
I'm pretty sure nothing is actually missable in this game
:lol Thats what I was explaining to slime. It's like, you clearly knew what the game was.
Whatever, more sales means more Final Fantasy. Bring it on I say
Just got Odin here. When does the Eidolon bar actually fill? When it reaches the G in Gestalt?
Wow... in so many aesthetic ways FF XIII is the next gen single player Phantasy Star game I've always wanted.
I'm pretty sure nothing is actually missable in this game
One of the benefits of linearity.
Man, I'm about 20 hours in and loving it. To all the gripers, I say this: If you hate the game so much, go play something else. There are so many awesome games coming out this season that no one has any excuse to be playing something they don't totally love. I have a stack of three games I've purchased just this month that I'm dying to get to... and am picking up two new releases next week. But for me, FF XIII takes precedence. It's not perfect by any means; no FF ever has been. But if you approach it on its own terms, it's extremely rewarding.
Wow... in so many aesthetic ways FF XIII is the next gen single player Phantasy Star game I've always wanted.
Huh?
Himuro how does FF13 look on a SDTV?
Himuro how does FF13 look on a SDTV?
Wow... in so many aesthetic ways FF XIII is the next gen single player Phantasy Star game I've always wanted.
Huh?
please get over yourself
Wow... in so many aesthetic ways FF XIII is the next gen single player Phantasy Star game I've always wanted.
Huh?
IMO the Mass Effect games are closer to what I'd want from a next-gen single player Phantasy Star. Traveling between planets, meeting alien races...really, the only thing it's missing is the ability to combine powers by using macros.
Would you say playing on the HD was a rewarding experience?
Too bad there haven't been any real Phantasy Star games since PSIV. I'd really love to have a real new single-player PS game at some point...
phantasy star 4 was the last good phantasy starqft
phantasy star 4 was the last good phantasy star
Yall nigras wrong. Only good game is PSO Ep3. Cards > Menus
what chapter
I'm towards the end of Chapter 10.
Meh. I'm starting to get that feeling of having to drag myself towards the finish line.
I always start the battle with a Saboteur as my default. Then I go to my main combat when the necessary debuffs are on
wowza, the whitewood is purty
Chapter 11 has reached this mythical status for me since it has a bit more traditionl FF flow and I know it won't be able to match my hopes but that's mainly what I'm hanging on for at this point.
I just get this sense that I've moved out of the demographic of who this game is aimed at. Which is fine. I was never the biggest final fantasy guy anyway. Not every game has to appeal to everyone. But I can't help but wonder how somebody who is new to the franchise would regard this game.
They're only using Hitman and Tomb Raider in that example because they own Eidos. That doesn't excuse it from being stupid though, just saying.
But his Uncharted 2 comparison is valid. He's only talking about how some of the cutscenes in U2 are interactive and he'd like to do that with FF going forward. Could be
cool.
qtes are not and will never be "cool"
Chapter 11 has reached this mythical status for me since it has a bit more traditionl FF flow and I know it won't be able to match my hopes but that's mainly what I'm hanging on for at this point.
I just get this sense that I've moved out of the demographic of who this game is aimed at. Which is fine. I was never the biggest final fantasy guy anyway. Not every game has to appeal to everyone. But I can't help but wonder how somebody who is new to the franchise would regard this game.
Chapter 11 is not traditional FF, it's the opposite side of the spectrum that FFXIII is. Instead of being too linear, it's too open and unstructured. It's fun because it's something different, but I wouldn't expect a traditional FF experience out of it.
Lightning, Fang and Hope is the best party
You get in the mech and start destroying enemies. But that lasts all of 2 minutes. I mean what the fuck was the point of that. To just tease me or something before you plunge me back into more tube running. Literally that part made no sense although I assume there has to be some tie in in the last couple of chapters otherwise that was stupid as fuck. They needed to do little things like that all over the place.
So do you guys think at this point Agito and 3rd Birthday would be more relevant to the Western market if they were ported back to mobile phones? :lol
Lightning, Fang and Hope is the best party
So do you guys think at this point Agito and 3rd Birthday would be more relevant to the Western market if they were ported back to mobile phones? :lol
Lightning, Fang and Hope is the best party
That's a terrible party Himuro.
Bebpo didnt bother with any of the endgame stuff, I bet Lightning is god tier and he doesnt even know it.
Too bad the Triple isn't compatible with VGA monitors. Supporting more resolutions: That's The 360 DifferenceTM.That would only be necessary if you were still using an old monitor. Any monitor in the last 5 or 6 years can support the PS3. All you need is a DVI input and you're good to go. Beats VGA, for certain.
Too bad there haven't been any real Phantasy Star games since PSIV. I'd really love to have a real new single-player PS game at some point...
So when am I allowed to chose my own party members?
Sorry for the stupid question.
Thanks, that's a fair bit away for me. I'm still in Chapter 3.
Got the last 360 copy Gamestop :puke had. They had PS3 copies left and I asked which they sold more of and they said 360 by far.
March NPD could be an epic meltdown.
Whats with the slight change of your avatar Himu?
Got the last 360 copy Gamestop :puke had. They had PS3 copies left and I asked which they sold more of and they said 360 by far.
March NPD could be an epic meltdown.
Wow, that was awful. I thought Third was just PMSing about the soundtrack until he said there are vocals
I'm in chapter 11 now. It's sort of a microcosm of everything good and bad in FF13. It doesn't improve on anything core. The story is still mostly lame. And it's no more interesting or diverse in a sense in its gameplay mechanics and its just as repetitive as the rest of the game. But by whittling everything down to "Go Kill this Boss" it takes the best aspect of the game and focuses it on that which is the combat system and fighting bosses.
How many missions are there in Chapter 11 for those that have beat the game?
the character design of the main character in FFXII bugged me too much.
The sunrise valley track is uguu~ and it feels so good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv0OcewaU8c
Chapter 2 now.
Do your characters even level up in this one?
Chapter 11 is not traditional FF, it's the opposite side of the spectrum that FFXIII is. Instead of being too linear, it's too open and unstructured.
Too bad the Triple isn't compatible with VGA monitors. Supporting more resolutions: That's The 360 DifferenceTM.That would only be necessary if you were still using an old monitor. Any monitor in the last 5 or 6 years can support the PS3. All you need is a DVI input and you're good to go. Beats VGA, for certain.
The sunrise valley track is uguu~ and it feels so good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv0OcewaU8c
The sunrise valley track is uguu~ and it feels so good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv0OcewaU8c
is this that leona luise track?
Beat chapter 9.
I bought FF13 (for the PS3, 'cause 360 copies were sold out :maf) but I'm seriously wondering whether I should open it or not. The game sounds like a mess. I'm pretty sure I'd get a lot more enjoyment from a $50 steak instead. If I do find the time to play a RPG, is there any reason why I should play FF13 instead of Mass Effect 2?
Beat chapter 9.
I'm at...spoiler (click to show/hide)a giant room with big circle paths filled with enemies. With Lighting, Fang, and Hope. Shortly after Sazh and Vanille escape. Am I almost done with Chapter 9? Should I grind in this room?[close]
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Beat chapter 9.
I'm at...spoiler (click to show/hide)a giant room with big circle paths filled with enemies. With Lighting, Fang, and Hope. Shortly after Sazh and Vanille escape. Am I almost done with Chapter 9? Should I grind in this room?[close]
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Last room of the chapter, also the best room of the game so far.
Also, a tip to save you agony on the next boss, dude.
When the boss charges some spell and goes into a stance for about half a minute, just attack him, and keep attacking him. Unfortunately, one would think that doing such a stance would mean to go into defensive mode, but this game is stupid so it's the opposite - attack him and his attacks power lessens.
This will save you a lot of time attempting time and time again (it's a long fight, it took me 16 minutes to kill him) only to end up in failure. It's not even a hard fight, just a long and dumb one.
God, I hate these fucking people. I don't give a shit what happens to Sulky, Twat, Twit, Pip, and Marm. Sometimes, I kill them on purpose:lol
Also, a tip to save you agony on the next boss, dude.
When the boss charges some spell and goes into a stance for about half a minute, just attack him, and keep attacking him. Unfortunately, one would think that doing such a stance would mean to go into defensive mode, but this game is stupid so it's the opposite - attack him and his attacks power lessens.
This will save you a lot of time attempting time and time again (it's a long fight, it took me 16 minutes to kill him) only to end up in failure. It's not even a hard fight, just a long and dumb one.
How'd it take you that long to beat him? I had him done in about 5 and a half minutes. Open up with librascope to get his weaknesses, then switch everyone to ravagers and take out the smaller heads one at a time. Heal as neccessary(preferably using potions with the accessory on lightning that makes potions more effective). And yeah, bet the hell out of it while it's charging up. It probably also helped that I used items prior to going into the battle that gave me all the offensive and defensive buffs lol.
HDCP doesn't actually seem to be necessary as I've been able to achieve a picture on very old LCDs (though I can't imagine why anyone would want to use one). You could not watch blu-ray movies, of course, but the system was able to display a picture at 1280x720.Too bad the Triple isn't compatible with VGA monitors. Supporting more resolutions: That's The 360 DifferenceTM.That would only be necessary if you were still using an old monitor. Any monitor in the last 5 or 6 years can support the PS3. All you need is a DVI input and you're good to go. Beats VGA, for certain.
Not true. The monitors have to be HDCP compatible, which many monitors older than 2-3 yrs aren't. Also, PS3 only supports 1280x720 or 1920x1080, which screws things up for most monitors that aren't also designed to be used as TVs. OTOH, the 360 supports many other resolutions in addition to 720P and 1080P.
I know it pains you but it's another victory for the 360's superior hardware. :patel
HDCP doesn't actually seem to be necessary as I've been able to achieve a picture on very old LCDs (though I can't imagine why anyone would want to use one). You could not watch blu-ray movies, of course, but the system was able to display a picture at 1280x720.
Of course the 360 solution is superior, but unless you're rocking with old ass hardware, it wouldn't be a problem either way.
HDCP doesn't actually seem to be necessary as I've been able to achieve a picture on very old LCDs (though I can't imagine why anyone would want to use one). You could not watch blu-ray movies, of course, but the system was able to display a picture at 1280x720.Too bad the Triple isn't compatible with VGA monitors. Supporting more resolutions: That's The 360 DifferenceTM.That would only be necessary if you were still using an old monitor. Any monitor in the last 5 or 6 years can support the PS3. All you need is a DVI input and you're good to go. Beats VGA, for certain.
Not true. The monitors have to be HDCP compatible, which many monitors older than 2-3 yrs aren't. Also, PS3 only supports 1280x720 or 1920x1080, which screws things up for most monitors that aren't also designed to be used as TVs. OTOH, the 360 supports many other resolutions in addition to 720P and 1080P.
I know it pains you but it's another victory for the 360's superior hardware. :patel
Of course the 360 solution is superior, but unless you're rocking with old ass hardware, it wouldn't be a problem either way.
Fair enough.HDCP doesn't actually seem to be necessary as I've been able to achieve a picture on very old LCDs (though I can't imagine why anyone would want to use one). You could not watch blu-ray movies, of course, but the system was able to display a picture at 1280x720.
Of course the 360 solution is superior, but unless you're rocking with old ass hardware, it wouldn't be a problem either way.
I guess you just got lucky. Many people were complaining about just getting black screens when connecting their non-HDCP monitors to PS3s.
Also, lack of scaling options with 720p and 1080p is still a major issue with most monitors. It's only in the last few months that 16:9 monitors are starting to become the standard.
So yeah, it's a bigger win for the 360 than you're trying to make it out to be.
Uhhh, I have my 360 on a PC monitor and I sure as fuck have it properly set up.
Yeah, I dunno what dark1x is talking about. Every time I have hooked up a 360 with VGA cables to a monitor, the system would default to the optimal resolution/aspect ratio. First time I have seen anyone say a PS3 works on a non-HDCP monitor, too. Would like to know more about that.Just generalization about HD stuff in general, I suppose (though HDMI always autodetects).
Also, a tip to save you agony on the next boss, dude.
When the boss charges some spell and goes into a stance for about half a minute, just attack him, and keep attacking him. Unfortunately, one would think that doing such a stance would mean to go into defensive mode, but this game is stupid so it's the opposite - attack him and his attacks power lessens.
This will save you a lot of time attempting time and time again (it's a long fight, it took me 16 minutes to kill him) only to end up in failure. It's not even a hard fight, just a long and dumb one.
How'd it take you that long to beat him? I had him done in about 5 and a half minutes. Open up with librascope to get his weaknesses, then switch everyone to ravagers and take out the smaller heads one at a time. Heal as neccessary(preferably using potions with the accessory on lightning that makes potions more effective). And yeah, bet the hell out of it while it's charging up. It probably also helped that I used items prior to going into the battle that gave me all the offensive and defensive buffs lol.
You can do that before boss fights?
My whole party can't be ravagers. I took them out one at a time, didn't both using librascope because it said he didn't have weaknesses with libra.
Apparently the game has freezing issues on non-slim PS3s:
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_t83unH_p0[/youtube]
http://www.motionbox.com/video/show/1c99dcb11013ecc494/bc2e14e3f36d354e
http://boardsus.playstation.com/t5/Final-Fantasy-Series/Final-Fantasy-XIII-Freezing/td-p/45382189;jsessionid=A4407A571FC507E7B53F7EE2779CF83B
I got hit with the freezing issue when I beat the Chapter 7 end boss. Tried 2 more times and it was the same deal. Why you do this to me Square why? :gloomy :gloomy :gloomy :gloomy Guess I won't be playing this for the foreseeable future. Really liked it too.
And yesterday I made fun of Viz for having to switch discs, well at least he won't have to deal with this problem :'(
I got hit with the freezing issue when I beat the Chapter 7 end boss. Tried 2 more times and it was the same deal. Why you do this to me Square why? :gloomy :gloomy :gloomy :gloomy Guess I won't be playing this for the foreseeable future. Really liked it too.
And yesterday I made fun of Viz for having to switch discs, well at least he won't have to deal with this problem :'(
That's what you get for being a scrub and not having a 360.
just got to chapter 7 -- aaaaaannnnnnndddd I'm outta here. This game is boring the shit out of me! Battle system is great, but it's not carrying the whole game for me. Maybe I'll revisit it down the road.So X>>>XIII? I ask because didn't you recently start playing that again.
sounds like the game still relies solely on fights, even after it opens up and finally gives you full control of your party.
I got hit with the freezing issue when I beat the Chapter 7 end boss. Tried 2 more times and it was the same deal. Why you do this to me Square why? :gloomy :gloomy :gloomy :gloomy Guess I won't be playing this for the foreseeable future. Really liked it too.
And yesterday I made fun of Viz for having to switch discs, well at least he won't have to deal with this problem :'(
That's what you get for being a scrub and not having a 360.
Fixed.
I got hit with the freezing issue when I beat the Chapter 7 end boss. Tried 2 more times and it was the same deal. Why you do this to me Square why? :gloomy :gloomy :gloomy :gloomy Guess I won't be playing this for the foreseeable future. Really liked it too.
And yesterday I made fun of Viz for having to switch discs, well at least he won't have to deal with this problem :'(
That's what you get for being a scrub and not having a 360.
Fixed.
I do have a 360, I just didn't want that version because I didn't want to switch discs fml
And thats not funny at all.
I got hit with the freezing issue when I beat the Chapter 7 end boss. Tried 2 more times and it was the same deal. Why you do this to me Square why? :gloomy :gloomy :gloomy :gloomy Guess I won't be playing this for the foreseeable future. Really liked it too.
And yesterday I made fun of Viz for having to switch discs, well at least he won't have to deal with this problem :'(
That's what you get for being a scrub and not having a 360.
Fixed.
I do have a 360, I just didn't want that version because I didn't want to switch discs fml
And thats not funny at all.
just got to chapter 7 -- aaaaaannnnnnndddd I'm outta here. This game is boring the shit out of me! Battle system is great, but it's not carrying the whole game for me. Maybe I'll revisit it down the road.So X>>>XIII? I ask because didn't you recently start playing that again.
sounds like the game still relies solely on fights, even after it opens up and finally gives you full control of your party.
I think the story is so bad I'm actually starting to consider skipping them, but then I remember, if I do that, the game will have even less variety.
Even the nigra is too lazy to complete his cosplay. Is it that difficult to buy a marshmallow peep?:lol
It's not a shit game, but it's horrendously flawed.
But somehow I've still managed to clock like 20 hours in a week so I guess it's doing something right.
It's not a shit game, but it's horrendously flawed.
But somehow I've still managed to clock like 20 hours in a week so I guess it's doing something right.
Glad my JP 360 prevents me from playing this horrendously flawed game.
Fuck it. I admit defeat. It's going back to Gamefly.
I just can't really motivate myself to finish it even though I'm relatively close. I spent the evening playing Battlefield MP and enjoying myself and then I thought, why am I going back to play something I don't really enjoy spending my time with. It's supposed to be a fun hobby. Not a chore.
FF13 you defeated me. :punch
Fuck it. I admit defeat. It's going back to Gamefly.
I just can't really motivate myself to finish it even though I'm relatively close. I spent the evening playing Battlefield MP and enjoying myself and then I thought, why am I going back to play something I don't really enjoy spending my time with. It's supposed to be a fun hobby. Not a chore.
FF13 you defeated me. :punch
Fuck it. I admit defeat. It's going back to Gamefly.
I just can't really motivate myself to finish it even though I'm relatively close. I spent the evening playing Battlefield MP and enjoying myself and then I thought, why am I going back to play something I don't really enjoy spending my time with. It's supposed to be a fun hobby. Not a chore.
FF13 you defeated me. :punch
Hmmm, sounds like FF13 is complete shit. Guess Himuro's japafag DNA made him immune to the worst parts of the game.
How would you rate it on a ten point scale?
How would you rate it on a ten point scale?
How would you rate it on a ten point scale?
the best part is when you play a different game after a few days of nothing but FFXIII and it's like "holy fuck, this game wants me to play it"
How would you rate it on a ten point scale?
Fuck it. I admit defeat. It's going back to Gamefly.
I just can't really motivate myself to finish it even though I'm relatively close. I spent the evening playing Battlefield MP and enjoying myself and then I thought, why am I going back to play something I don't really enjoy spending my time with. It's supposed to be a fun hobby. Not a chore.
FF13 you defeated me. :punch
Hmmm, sounds like FF13 is complete shit. Guess Himuro's japafag DNA made him immune to the worst parts of the game.
Fuuuuuck the chapter 9 boss is such a pain in the dick. I'll get him eventually, just a few more tries.
Fuuuuuck the chapter 9 boss is such a pain in the dick. I'll get him eventually, just a few more tries.
He's easy.
Use rav/rav/com on the heads, heal when necessary, take out the heads first. Preferably the far right ones (?) because they have powerful magic than the left ones iirc. Then take out the main boss. When he starts to go into a stance, keep attacking him and it'll lessen his attacks strength. Heal when necessary.
If you're really having trouble, make a med/med/sab paradigm.
Fuuuuuck the chapter 9 boss is such a pain in the dick. I'll get him eventually, just a few more tries.
He's easy.
Use rav/rav/com on the heads, heal when necessary, take out the heads first. Preferably the far right ones (?) because they have powerful magic than the left ones iirc. Then take out the main boss. When he starts to go into a stance, keep attacking him and it'll lessen his attacks strength. Heal when necessary.
If you're really having trouble, make a med/med/sab paradigm.
Hah, nice. I tried it again right after making that post and beat him. Chapter 10 ahoooyyyyy! :D
Hope is a gigantic friggin bitch. wah wah wah some more distinguished effete fellow.
I like how he keeps trying to lash out at Snow for letting his mom die, but all that comes out is "Ah...eh....bu...you....uguu~. :uguu"
Hope gets better btw. He's not too bad. Vanille is way worse.
any tips on beating the Chapter 10 boss?spoiler (click to show/hide)Cid is kicking my ass over and over[close]
What's so bad about Vanille? She's the good kind of uguu~
Did they intentionally make Chapter 4 boring as fuck, or was this a design flaw? I'll be glad when I get out of this frickin' canyon. :yuckWhat was that chapter about, again?
Did they intentionally make Chapter 4 boring as fuck, or was this a design flaw? I'll be glad when I get out of this frickin' canyon. :yuckWhat was that chapter about, again?
Did they intentionally make Chapter 4 boring as fuck, or was this a design flaw? I'll be glad when I get out of this frickin' canyon. :yuckWhat was that chapter about, again?
So is the general consensus that this game is at least worth playing? I've never beaten a Final Fantasy and I feel if I start playing 13 it'll probably be the first I beat. I'm assuming that would be a bad thing.
... you're concerned about her being bubbly during all this? This is where the hate comes from? That's why I love her! I got my wife doing her tee hee laugh while she runs around. Hope is much more annoying and offensive to my senses.What's so bad about Vanille? She's the good kind of uguu~
Hey, let's witness the government committing an act of genocide and be bubbly and happy and tee-heeing afterwards. Totally realistic! There's a difference between someone who's optimistic (Snow) and yet has actually realistic human feelings, but Vanille is either an insane psychopath or someone who desperately needs to be checked into the local Cocoon Retarda'cie Center.
So is the general consensus that this game is at least worth playing? I've never beaten a Final Fantasy and I feel if I start playing 13 it'll probably be the first I beat. I'm assuming that would be a bad thing.
So is the general consensus that this game is at least worth playing? I've never beaten a Final Fantasy and I feel if I start playing 13 it'll probably be the first I beat. I'm assuming that would be a bad thing.
If you've never beaten a final fantasy, this isn't the one that I would recommend be your first. It all depends. Why do you want to play this. Is there something especially interesting that has appealed to you from what you've seen of this game. Or are you just looking for something to play. Because there are better options out there. Including probably playing one of the older ones.
If I ever get FF13, it probably won't be until it is very cheap. Or I'll just rent it.
... you're concerned about her being bubbly during all this? This is where the hate comes from? That's why I love her! I got my wife doing her tee hee laugh while she runs around. Hope is much more annoying and offensive to my senses.What's so bad about Vanille? She's the good kind of uguu~
Hey, let's witness the government committing an act of genocide and be bubbly and happy and tee-heeing afterwards. Totally realistic! There's a difference between someone who's optimistic (Snow) and yet has actually realistic human feelings, but Vanille is either an insane psychopath or someone who desperately needs to be checked into the local Cocoon Retarda'cie Center.
It's not "canon" but Lightning acts like a big sister or whatever to Hope.
any tips on beating the Chapter 10 boss?spoiler (click to show/hide)Cid is kicking my ass over and over[close]
I basically used his "guard" to go into a chain build up attack mode and when he was offensive I just healed a lot and only let one guy attack so we didn't lose the chain.
any tips on beating the Chapter 10 boss?spoiler (click to show/hide)Cid is kicking my ass over and over[close]
I basically used his "guard" to go into a chain build up attack mode and when he was offensive I just healed a lot and only let one guy attack so we didn't lose the chain.
That did it. Thanks :)
Beat Chapter 4 finally, about 7 hours in and I got to the end of Disc 1. OMG DISC SWAPPING
Beat Chapter 4 finally, about 7 hours in and I got to the end of Disc 1. OMG DISC SWAPPING
So is the general consensus that this game is at least worth playing? I've never beaten a Final Fantasy and I feel if I start playing 13 it'll probably be the first I beat. I'm assuming that would be a bad thing.
If you've never beaten a final fantasy, this isn't the one that I would recommend be your first. It all depends. Why do you want to play this. Is there something especially interesting that has appealed to you from what you've seen of this game. Or are you just looking for something to play. Because there are better options out there. Including probably playing one of the older ones.
So is the general consensus that this game is at least worth playing? I've never beaten a Final Fantasy and I feel if I start playing 13 it'll probably be the first I beat. I'm assuming that would be a bad thing.
If you've never beaten a final fantasy, this isn't the one that I would recommend be your first. It all depends. Why do you want to play this. Is there something especially interesting that has appealed to you from what you've seen of this game. Or are you just looking for something to play. Because there are better options out there. Including probably playing one of the older ones.
He's just wants to contribute to the thread because he has nothing else to add on. Why anyone would get interested in this particular FF game after ignoring the previous installments is beyond me.
Bullshit! Vanille is the good kind of uguu~. She's cute, pre-pubescent, yet stylish. Rawr.QuoteShe's the good kind of uguu~unless we are talking about Reco, there IS no good Uguu
How many hours, Rman?
Doing marks is a fun time waster, and some of the hunts are actually legitimately challenging, which is refreshing considering the rest of the game. It also feels good to be teased (ie. see a treasure chest across a lake but can't reach it? Keep playing to find out how!) so that tells me that the developers didn't forget how to make an rpg. Speaking of treasure, it's great that the treasures are rewarding now. Now I can get my loot on. It only took 27 hours. Furthermore, I like how you can redo missions if you choose as well. FF12 should have had that feature.
If there's one thing I dislike about this marks sidequest so far though, it's that it doesn't really explicitly tell you where the mark is. You have to travel across a huge ass plane on foot, and it takes minutes to get from one place to another. Like many other aspects of the game, that's unnecessary tedium.
Glad to see the developers realized that variety in a 40+ hour game is good. If the game had mini areas scattered throughout with the game with these mark sidequests placed in between the linear areas the game would really benefit, not only from a variety stand point (it gets boring after 10 hours doing bland corridor dungeons) but also in terms of pacing for the same exact reason. But then, that game wouldn't be FF13, it'd be a whole different game in general.
Yeah. I tried to fight Neochu early on, the hunt that yields the Growth Egg accessory. He killed me in seconds.
lol you are definitly NOT done after you beat Odin
my god this is fucking awful
what the fuck distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. change your avatar. reminds me of amirox.Didn't BuddyC have that avatar for a bit?
The problem with FF13 is that "strategic" is usually just "long and tedious, has millions of hp"
The problem with FF13 is that "strategic" is usually just "long and tedious, has millions of hp"
FF13 has the shortest battles in any FF. If you think any boss has too much HP, you're missing something key to the fight.
Is there any awesome moment in FF13 like the one below?
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Bull fucking shit Himuro, XIIIis leagues, LEAGUES better than the godawful exchanges that happen in X. And I love X! Name one scene in the game that even approaches that level of awful. Even Vanille's shit is more bearable than that.
Himumu, you are so bipolar.
SERA SERA SERAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
The problem with FF13 is that "strategic" is usually just "long and tedious, has millions of hp"
FF13 has the shortest battles in any FF. If you think any boss has too much HP, you're missing something key to the fight.
Think it's cuz I haven't been upgrading weapons?
Chapter 7, right?
Fang is really fun.
Chapter 7, right?
Fang is really fun.
Yeah, I think so. I'm totally slacking, probably won't beat before this we leave for Japan.
Not a fan of Fang so far. She has Commando, which makes the AI target what she does, and other than that she stands there as a Sentinel, or casts Slow as a Saboteur... not the best mixup, to me. And I dont like using Lightning as a Ravager
Chapter 7, right?
Fang is really fun.
Yeah, I think so. I'm totally slacking, probably won't beat before this we leave for Japan.
Wait, when are you going to Japan again? April?
FMA brotherhood isn't ending until late June :P 60 something eps.
So, Himuro, I've heard you're giving up on the main single player FFs after XIII?
I still haven't upgraded anything yet. Still waiting until I've found Lionheart weapon for Lightning.
I don't even know if I've missed the treasure containing the weapon.
Glasses dude looks like that Gaffer who used to be a mod. I forgot what's his name but everyone's always making fun of him.
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I'm 40 hours into the game and only have 14k Gil. :lolYeah, the commerce system of this FF is distinguished mentally-challenged. That's why I'm not bothering with the Ultimate Weapons.
That's without buying anything. I think I've sold a few small things.
But I'f I were to sell all of the disposable items, I would make 1mln easy.
The Lionheart weapon is the best weapon for Lightning because it offers the best balance for her ravager/commando skills.
Prole in the middle, with his stern and menacing glare. He's telling us... this game has stats
Yeah, the commerce system of this FF is distinguished mentally-challenged. That's why I'm not bothering with the Ultimate Weapons.
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FUGS
It's pretty easy up until you get full control of your party and how to develop them, then you have to start swapping out characters for their unique abilities, how proficient they are at X job. You also have to start relying more on Paradigms more to increase the DPS instead of having to wait for the bar to fill.
You can still take your time, since the star ratings dont mean shit in the end.
spoiler (click to show/hide)last form is a time thing. You have to stagger him twice before the time runs out. It's not hard but the point is a speed challenge.[close]
Even the huge turtle things that are roaming Gran Pulse die pretty fast if you buff yourself and saboteur the enemy. I'm going to kill them all today for that catalyst item.
Some of the hunts are pretty hard though. An enemy wiped my whole team in two hits. Time for revenge...
Brynhildr is a fucking pain in the ass. :maf
Brynhildr is a fucking pain in the ass. :maf
From what I remember, I used rav/rav, then switched to rav/med when I was low on HP. Took me like 3 tries, I had much more trouble with Odin.
Just make sure you're killing the giant Adamantortoises with the armor and tusks, those are the ones that have Ingots (25% drop) and Traps (1%). The small ones don't drop anything worthwhile AFAIK. I recommend repeating mission 63 over and over and clearing out the other 4 Adamantortoises that are wandering around if you're going for the Treasure Hunter achivement. Best way to earn CP + money imo.
I love the open world of Pulse. It's so nice to wander around and enjoy the sights, with the music that goes along with it.
I love the open world of Pulse. It's so nice to wander around and enjoy the sights, with the music that goes along with it.
Some of the vistas in Gran Pulse are the most beautiful scenes I've seen in a video game. I wish the rest of the game had been like that.
What's the quickest way to level up weapons? There has to be some secret grind trick involved.
Because you have to unlock another waypoint
The best item to use for getting a ton of EXP fast is the Ultracompact Reactor from one of the stores stores near the bottom. It costs 50,000 gil and gives 40,000 exp IIRC. Particle Accelerators are good too, but the gil to exp ratio isn't as good.
Got to Gran Pulse this morning. Do I stick around and do some grindan or move ahead with the storyline? Can I come back to Gran Pulse, or is this my only chance at doing so?
Put Sazh in my party for haste and it's even easier. Gonna grind later tonight and complete all three main roles at stage 8 and rush to end game so I can beat this.
Haste is amazing in this game.
Doing that thing demi suggested and I've got about 100k cp in an hour.
Doing that thing demi suggested and I've got about 100k cp in an hour.
When you get stronger, you can fight the two behemoths that are fighting near the other end of the area. You will always get a pre-emp, and if you kill them, you get about 6600 CP, and they are easy to respawn.
I actually didnt use Sazh, I guess I got lucky. I just used Blitz to make them stop casting Aerora - sometimes even just 1 Blitz so they cant cast. If you have Hope as a Ravager, he can cast Waterga, etc. Which knocks them into the air.
My whole team has sprint shoes equipped. They give you the auto-haste ability. No need to cast haste in a battle anymore. The magic will wear off after a few minutes of course, but starting off with haste is such a huge advantage.
Mission 7 drops the tetradic tiara as a rare drop. Upgrade the tiara, it only costs 200exp. And dismantle it. You'll get the Sprint Shoes.
I haven't upgraded any accessories yet. Just weapons.
I got this yesterday, I've played it for 6 hours or so. I think I like it. The pacing is horrid during the first couple of hours or so, and they just keep throwing characters at you without giving you any reasons as to why you should care. But I like the crystarium leveling system and the paradigm shifting seems neat. I don't really get the complaints that people have about it being overly linear. Its a final fantasy game :shrug, and nothing that I've seen thus far seems to be a vast departure for the series.
The va work is pretty solid, but good lawd the dialogue is awful. I wish someone English would step in during the translation process and say "this just doesn't work". My biggest complaint about the game, so far. Also, the character designs are shitty
Put Sazh in my party for haste and it's even easier. Gonna grind later tonight and complete all three main roles at stage 8 and rush to end game so I can beat this.Hope learns Haste a bit later. Once he did, I had to kick Sazh to the curb, since Hope's magic stats are crazy. Sazh is such a stylish character, I miss having him in my party. I currently use Fang as the party leader with Lightning and Hope flanking.
Third, I took out the mark for mission 7 and didn't get any tiara like item?Yeah the dungeon is pretty awesome. I think you'd like it.
I've taken out the first 10 marks and honestly, the whole game should have been like this. For the first time since beginning the game I'm not only having fun, I'm having a lot of fun. Adventure, variety, semi-challenging fights, loot, and exploration is what rpgs are about.
It just sucks that exploration is such a pain here, even with the waypoints. It takes at least 30 minutes to get from one end of pulse to the other: that's too big, but it's certainly preferable to the first half of the game.
4 more marks and I unlock the chocobo, which is good, considering my exploration complaint. After that, I'm gonna finish up my three main roles on my mains and continue the story.
I keep hearing about this tower in chapter 11 that's an actual honest to goodness dungeon, but I won't believe it until I see it. Either way, I'm just amazed that S-E thought it was a good idea for the player to wade through 20-25 hours of tedium in order to get to the part where the game really begins. What's with that?
Where can I get a catalyst?
I just want sprint shoes.
The reward, yeah. But I already got 2 (about to get my third) and I'm about to beat the game.Unless the guide is wrong, there's is no mission the yields the Sprint Shoes as a reward. You can get the Hermes Sandals, which you can upgrade to Sprint Shoes in Mission 34. Again, that's a one time reward. You can make more Sprint Shoes from Tetradic Crowns and Tiaras. You'll need to upgrade them to maximum and then dismantle them. Crowns yield Hermes Sandals, which can be upgraded to Sprint Shoes. Just keep fighting Mission Mark 7 for these, Himuro, and you'll be on your way.
The reward, yeah. But I already got 2 (about to get my third) and I'm about to beat the game.Unless the guide is wrong, there's is no mission the yields the Sprint Shoes as a reward. You can get the Hermes Sandals, which you can upgrade to Sprint Shoes in Mission 34. Again, that's a one time reward. You can make more Sprint Shoes from Tetradic Crowns and Tiaras. You'll need to upgrade them to maximum and then dismantle them. Crowns yield Hermes Sandals, which can be upgraded to Sprint Shoes. Just keep fighting Mission Mark 7 for these, Himuro, and you'll be on your way.
WOW :roflI heard a lot of people had trouble with this. The Death spell never connected in my playthrough.
The final boss has an instant death spell
Well, I better stop here before I tweak
I've heard it's really meant as a time limit in disguise. So just do more damage more faster.
Dont get it twisted, man. TLR > FF13
But FF13 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vesperia etc
Wow, glad I skipped The Last Remnant. demi has shit taste confirmed.
FF12 sucks because:
- It's boring
- The gambit system is shit
- The License Board is shit
- The characters suck
- The story sucks
- The world sucks
- It sucks
- Unique items that are missable just because you opened a chest
FF13 is a complete SEVEN TWENTY on how good it is.
What AI routines? Have them all cast the same spells on each other? Zzz.
FFXIII looks amazing post cocoon. Sounds pretty condescending and shit for the first 20 or so hours but once you hit Pulse it sounds fucking ace. I'm pretty into cutscene marathons anyway. So long as they're epic as fuck.
FFXII is one of the worst "good" games I've ever tried playing. I've tried 5 times, FIVE TIMES, to get into it, and I never get farther than those fucking mines where those skeleton warriors buttfuck you. It's an absolutely terrible game.
I can't believe the almost universal critical praise for FFXII... yet from the fans, the game gets so much hate. Probably the biggest dichotomy between game journalists and fans when it comes to a game. For the record, there are plenty of things XIII does wrong, but I'm having a much better time with it than XII. It's probably the best FF since X.
I can't believe the almost universal critical praise for FFXII... yet from the fans, the game gets so much hate. Probably the biggest dichotomy between game journalists and fans when it comes to a game. For the record, there are plenty of things XIII does wrong, but I'm having a much better time with it than XII. It's probably the best FF since X.
I'm not saying it wasn't easy. I'm saying it was long, boring, and when I'm playing a game which has one of the worst fucking battle systems imaginable, I don't have much patience. XII is an awful, awful game.
The only part of 12 that falls apart is the story and since story doesn't matter, game is consistent throughout. I should know, I beat in 29 hours and the whole game flows together much better than FF13.
Replay FF12 and you will like it more.
The only part of 12 that falls apart is the story and since story doesn't matter, game is consistent throughout. I should know, I beat in 29 hours and the whole game flows together much better than FF13.
Replay FF12 and you will like it more.
Nah, the gameplay falls apart too when everybody becomes awesome at everything and there's nothing unique about any of the characters and you just get your good gambits up and then auto-fight through it all.
When did I renounce jrpgs? :lol
The only part of 12 that falls apart is the story and since story doesn't matter, game is consistent throughout. I should know, I beat in 29 hours and the whole game flows together much better than FF13.
Replay FF12 and you will like it more.
Nah, the gameplay falls apart too when everybody becomes awesome at everything and there's nothing unique about any of the characters and you just get your good gambits up and then auto-fight through it all.
hunts, the latter half of the game's hunts are superior to the first half's. Trickster, Gilgamesh, and more are the best boss fights in the series.
:bow Hell Wyrm :bow2
:bow Fafnir :bow2
:bow Yiazmat :bow2
12 is better than 13 by far.
12 falls apart, but the first half is basically the best jrpg ever made. 13 is never anywhere near that level.
I can't believe the almost universal critical praise for FFXII... yet from the fans, the game gets so much hate. Probably the biggest dichotomy between game journalists and fans when it comes to a game. For the record, there are plenty of things XIII does wrong, but I'm having a much better time with it than XII. It's probably the best FF since X.GTA 4
I've only done the first 11 missions so far, but I stumbled upon the Gigantuar mission (#54)... will I die if I tackle it right now?
I've only done the first 11 missions so far, but I stumbled upon the Gigantuar mission (#54)... will I die if I tackle it right now?
yes
Yeah you'll need at least 10,000 HP on everyone to fight the gigantuar. Though there is a really goofy strategy for fighting him, so you might be able to do it before then. Maybe.
On to Chapter 12! Gonna hopefully wrap the main game up this weekend, then go on all the hunts. Doubt I'm gonna go through the trouble of upgrading all the weapons/accessories, and I prob. won't 5star all the hunts.
Army of One is so beast, I love it. GOD TIER when dealing with the bosses at the end. Marks or otherwise.
I wrote it down so it is easier to understand- behind spoiler:spoiler (click to show/hide)Sazh (Leader) / Snow / Fang
Paradigm 1: Syn / Com / Sab - Bully (Starting)
Paradigm 2: Com / Com / Com - Cerberus
Paradigm 3: Com / Com / Com - Cerberus
Paradigm 4: Rav / Com / Com - Aggression
Paradigm 5: Rav / Com / Sab - Smart Bomb
Start Fight
Summon
Haste Bravera (Sazh)
-------- CERBERUS
Attack x 5 (Auto-Chain)
Blitz Blitz
-------- SMART BOMB
Cold Blood
Cold Blood
-------- AGGRESSION
Cold Blood (Summon leaves)
-------- BULLY
Haste Bravera (Snow & Fang)
-------- SMART BOMB
Cold Blood (Stagger at this point)
-------- AGGRESSION
Cold Blood
-------- CERBERUS
Blitz Blitz
Blitz Blitz (999% at this point)
-------- CERBERUS
Blitz Blitz
Blitz Blitz
-------- CERBERUS
(Turtle Wakes Up at this point - should be DEAD by then, if not... oops)[close]
You should make sure your characters are maxed out before you fight the Long Gui's. Once you get the strategy down for them you should be able to take them out in two knockdowns (or maybe one knockdown if you use Death with Vanille and do the commando glitch).Commando Glitch?
I wrote it down so it is easier to understand- behind spoiler:spoiler (click to show/hide)Sazh (Leader) / Snow / Fang
Paradigm 1: Syn / Com / Sab - Bully (Starting)
Paradigm 2: Com / Com / Com - Cerberus
Paradigm 3: Com / Com / Com - Cerberus
Paradigm 4: Rav / Com / Com - Aggression
Paradigm 5: Rav / Com / Sab - Smart Bomb
Start Fight
Summon
Haste Bravera (Sazh)
-------- CERBERUS
Attack x 5 (Auto-Chain)
Blitz Blitz
-------- SMART BOMB
Cold Blood
Cold Blood
-------- AGGRESSION
Cold Blood (Summon leaves)
-------- BULLY
Haste Bravera (Snow & Fang)
-------- SMART BOMB
Cold Blood (Stagger at this point)
-------- AGGRESSION
Cold Blood
-------- CERBERUS
Blitz Blitz
Blitz Blitz (999% at this point)
-------- CERBERUS
Blitz Blitz
Blitz Blitz
-------- CERBERUS
(Turtle Wakes Up at this point - should be DEAD by then, if not... oops)[close]
Thanks for writing it down. I think I've killed 20 of the adamantoise beasts and still no trapez :'(
I'd rather farm Long Gui's. Drop rate seems to be much higher. But I have to clear one missions before they roam grand pulse. I just can't beat the two Raktavija shitheads. Mark 62. They are so hard.
Beat it. Best FF game to date.
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I mean, just look at these two...don't you want to adopt them?
Finally beat the two raktavija's. Had to equip 7 maxed Witch Bracelets :lol
Was pretty easy. 8)
Tried to fight a long gui. Got raped harder than a $2 whore. I think I'm going to stop playing this game for a few weeks.
You mean the End game content that opens up past the 70 hour mark? I think it made into this game in some form.
These are my current rankings. I haven't played all the FFs.
6>8>10>5>13>4>7
Also, I don't understand why people were so offended by the this product, it's the same crap. The only difference is that they didn't sugar coat it.
How far is "pretty far"?
Also, I am not a hater. I merely call out mediocrity when I see it.
How far is "pretty far"?
Also, I am not a hater. I merely call out mediocrity when I see it.
yet you give ff8 a free pass... :teehee
Thanks, bro! ;)
These are my current rankings. I haven't played all the FFs.
6>8>10>5>13>4>7
This is the worst rankings I've seen, congratulations
PS: If FFVIII was made this gen- fully voiced, fully animated cutscenes, with every facial expression exaggerated to the nth level, people would hate it twice as much as they do now and 5 times as much as they hate XIII. Real talk.
I think people are looking at the upgrade system the wrong way, check a weapon guide on gameFAQs and you'll understand what I mean.
It could've been more refined and fleshed out though, I agree.
I haven't completed the game, but so far I disagree.
That's not to say that 13 has a strong story, but it definitely has a stronger story. Maybe I'll change my opinion when I'm done, who knows.
It is really quite terrible.
Like I said earlier, a weapon-specific, non-linear crystarium-like system for weapons and accessories would be fucking tits. Still have it level based like how it is now, but depending on which path you take, you can make it magic based, attack based, stagger based, whatever. Different paths lead to different attributes and thus different weapons altogether.
I am copyrighting that, dammit.
edit: fucking hell himu, X's story is fucking horrible, and I love X.
I like how the story is told in XIII, I don't necessary like the background. In FF it's all basically wash, rinse, repeat. I just like how things go about in this game. I like the characters, shockingly, other than Vanille and Snow. Yes, I like Hope!
And XII got undue shit for its story, I agree--it was probably my favorite story of the Final Fantasy games other than VI. It's just a shame the rest of the game was utter shitfuck.
I'm starting to worry if even the forty dollars I paid were a bit too much for FF13. At the least, it's pretty right?
I don't see how guessing is a key component in XIII. You should know how to beat every single enemy of that game within the first minute of the battle, if not earlier. You're doing it wrong.
you find a paradigm that hurts them or makes them weak to phy/mag attacks, keep using it (i.e. autlol battle, go make a sammich) until they start hurting you, then switch to a healing paradigm, then switch back.
oh, but i didn't put in the requisite 40 hours before the game supposedly gets good. Singles are not as tough as moms.
XIII sucks. Shining beacon of what's wrong with the world.
I would play more. But then i heard the game becomes grinding heavy in later parts.
I finished Tales of Vesperia without having to grind, so fuck that. Shitty game design if you have to grind. Even shittier if the game is more linear than Call of Duty.
I would play more. But then i heard the game becomes grinding heavy in later parts.
I finished Tales of Vesperia without having to grind, so fuck that. Shitty game design if you have to grind. Even shittier if the game is more linear than Call of Duty.
It's not grind heavy at all to finish the game. But I guess it's impossible if we can't do it
you find a paradigm that hurts them or makes them weak to phy/mag attacks, keep using it (i.e. autlol battle, go make a sammich) until they start hurting you, then switch to a healing paradigm, then switch back.
oh, but i didn't put in the requisite 40 hours before the game supposedly gets good. Singles are not as tough as moms.
XIII sucks. Shining beacon of what's wrong with the world.
wow, you're really terrible at this game then. and el oh el at you thinking auto battle was really "make a sandwich" autobattle. Did you even play XII? Are you confusing games here?
Himu, you gonna try Resonance of Fate?
you find a paradigm that hurts them or makes them weak to phy/mag attacks, keep using it (i.e. autlol battle, go make a sammich) until they start hurting you, then switch to a healing paradigm, then switch back.
Wait, isn't this every battle system of every FF and almost all JRPGs? try whatever everything until you expose the weakness then spam, when you're low on health, heal?
In 13 instead of issuing to each character a command, you giving it to the whole team; instead of attack/magic/defend/heal menu you have the the paradigms, which are basically six customizable commands.
The other menu with auto-battle/abilities/techniques/items is just a bonus in case your leader needs to react to a sudden development. That's how I view the system.
Next.
you find a paradigm that hurts them or makes them weak to phy/mag attacks, keep using it (i.e. autlol battle, go make a sammich) until they start hurting you, then switch to a healing paradigm, then switch back.
Wait, isn't this every battle system of every FF and almost all JRPGs? try whatever everything until you expose the weakness then spam, when you're low on health, heal?
In 13 instead of issuing to each character a command, you giving it to the whole team; instead of attack/magic/defend/heal menu you have the the paradigms, which are basically six customizable commands.
The other menu with auto-battle/abilities/techniques/items is just a bonus in case your leader needs to react to a sudden development. That's how I view the system.
Next.
you find a paradigm that hurts them or makes them weak to phy/mag attacks, keep using it (i.e. autlol battle, go make a sammich) until they start hurting you, then switch to a healing paradigm, then switch back.
Wait, isn't this every battle system of every FF and almost all JRPGs? try whatever everything until you expose the weakness then spam, when you're low on health, heal?
In 13 instead of issuing to each character a command, you giving it to the whole team; instead of attack/magic/defend/heal menu you have the the paradigms, which are basically six customizable commands.
The other menu with auto-battle/abilities/techniques/items is just a bonus in case your leader needs to react to a sudden development. That's how I view the system.
Next.
No. This is all there is to FFXIII's system. There are no important status changes aside from putting an enemy in break, there's no real danger to your characters (why can't your characters break or get dangerous ailments other than poison.) Once you figure out an enemy, there's nothing to do. Considering there are like 3 types of enemies in each section, it's boring as hell after the first couple fights.
S-E got seriously lazy on enemy creation.
I think this game should look much better than it does, at least on 360. Sometimes it looks like a PS2 game.
I think this game should look much better than it does, at least on 360. Sometimes it looks like a PS2 game.
I'm not a graphics guy and they don't really matter to me much at all but I sort of agree. As I was playing it people kept saying how gorgeous it was and I wondered if I was playing the same game as them. The cutscenes look great (outside of the bad 360 video rendering they used) but the actual game was far less attractive to me. I didn't think it animated especially well either. Don't get me wrong, there are certainly parts of it that look attractive but I certainly wasn't blown away. Maybe it looks sharper on the PS3 or something...
Sucks that u couldn't enjoy this great game, doubling the dose of your antidepressants may help.
I think this game should look much better than it does, at least on 360. Sometimes it looks like a PS2 game.
I'm not a graphics guy and they don't really matter to me much at all but I sort of agree. As I was playing it people kept saying how gorgeous it was and I wondered if I was playing the same game as them. The cutscenes look great (outside of the bad 360 video rendering they used) but the actual game was far less attractive to me. I didn't think it animated especially well either. Don't get me wrong, there are certainly parts of it that look attractive but I certainly wasn't blown away. Maybe it looks sharper on the PS3 or something...
Demi, you think I should just use someone else's save and skip to when the game supposedly opens up? I got the PS3 version so it should be possible.
I played it on an HD TV. Hence it's playable. It's also far better than FFXIII...AUTO FUD
I played it on an HD TV. Hence it's playable. It's also far better than FFXIII...AUTOFUDTROLL
I don't usually have Hope as my medic, that usually goes to Lightning (or just double team medic with Combat Clinic). There's seriously no better team than Lightning, Fang, and Hope.Where are you up, BN? Later on it becomes apparent that Hope surpasses all at the medic class. Since healing potential is based on the base magic stat, which Hope has the highest. Vanille's an awesome medic too. They are only ones with Curaja.
Does the story pick on when Disney girl and Danny Glover start walking towards Nautilus?
I'm liking the game, and the combat system is awesome but i'm kinda feeling an inch of repetition right now. Kinda need something to happen, a city to be blown up, whatever, something.
Does the story pick on when Disney girl and Danny Glover start walking towards Nautilus?
I'm liking the game, and the combat system is awesome but i'm kinda feeling an inch of repetition right now. Kinda need something to happen, a city to be blown up, whatever, something.
Hope is always in my party. He's an awesome medic.
fifth level is just stats, no abilities, shit sux.
Hope makes a good Medic & Synergist, Vanille is Medic & Saboteur, which is easily as filled by Lightning & Fang
All she has going for her is Death, which is only applicable when doing certain things
Isnt Hope the best medic and ravager?He's only one that learns all the elemental "aga" spells.
Wow a flying simulator. How radically different.
Well you can also grapple on to shit. A flying AND grabble simulator. 2>1
If you say so but I've got some major issues with JC2 too.
At least I can fly around in a fucking plane in JC2. That alone beats this walking simulator.
You're more whiny than Hope, and you're swedish. How does this make you feel?:lol
True–some of the emulation shots of it are fantastic. Too bad the game sucks.
I want to play International version of FF12 so bad. I have a feeling it'd be my favorite FF. :(
True–some of the emulation shots of it are fantastic. Too bad the game sucks.
It's better than FFXIII.
enough with this ff12 garbage.
Why? It's the best jRPG ever. Everybody should not only play and finish it but praise it too. It's worth it.
Final Fantasy XIII is the most boring shit ever.
Halfway through chapter 6 and this game officially sucks. Does it pick up any before I get to Pulse, or am I out of luck if I'm not enjoying it by now? I think I would have already dropped it if the music and graphics weren't so purdy. Oh, and the battle star ratings; I live for those 5 stars at the end of each fight, even if I still don't know what they're for and it's easy to figure out the quickest method due to fighting the same 2 enemies grouped 50 different ways for hours on end with no variance in strategy.
Yeah I know I'm late to the hate parade
You're more whiny than Hope, and you're swedish. How does this make you feel?
I don't even think it looks all that great, honestly. And yes, I'm playing it on the PS3.
I don't even think it looks all that great, honestly. And yes, I'm playing it on the PS3.
What specific areas are you people referring to for poor textures?
I don't even think it looks all that great, honestly. And yes, I'm playing it on the PS3.
eye candy
What specific areas are you people referring to for poor textures?
eye candy
ur mom
What specific areas are you people referring to for poor textures?
Wow, where to begin. All the characters (enemies also) have good textures. But everything else is pretty mediocre to decent. Look at the ground, look at the buildings (especially that fallen city in ch11). The texturing looks very flat in this game.
I like the lighting in the game, though.
What specific areas are you people referring to for poor textures?
Wow, where to begin. All the characters (enemies also) have good textures. But everything else is pretty mediocre to decent. Look at the ground, look at the buildings (especially that fallen city in ch11). The texturing looks very flat in this game.
I like the lighting in the game, though.
Oh fucking bullshit, now you're just making shit up.
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N64 GROUND LOL
The disappointment for some continues :lol
The disappointment for some continues :lol
Can you please highlight why you think this is so funny? You have not offered anything about this game in this thread or on this forum period except laughing at people's disappointment. It makes zero sense.
:( I'll go replay TLR to make it up to youHalfway through chapter 6 and this game officially sucks. Does it pick up any before I get to Pulse, or am I out of luck if I'm not enjoying it by now? I think I would have already dropped it if the music and graphics weren't so purdy. Oh, and the battle star ratings; I live for those 5 stars at the end of each fight, even if I still don't know what they're for and it's easy to figure out the quickest method due to fighting the same 2 enemies grouped 50 different ways for hours on end with no variance in strategy.
Yeah I know I'm late to the hate parade
Except it doesnt suck. You've always been jaded, this post makes you no different. Enjoy your fail.
it justs funny to see such disappointment from people who were so hyped from the game (not only here but GAF as well).I was pretty un-hyped
like himu offered anything anyway.The disappointment for some continues :lol
Can you please highlight why you think this is so funny? You have not offered anything about this game in this thread or on this forum period except laughing at people's disappointment. It makes zero sense.
it justs funny to see such disappointment from people who were so hyped from the game (not only here but GAF as well).
I haven't played the game since i'm a dirty poor so just passing time. Plus i doubt i will be disappointed since my hype for any game is normally as low as it can and if its like as you said (story is like power rangers, some anime, not like other FFs, etc) i won't really give a shit.
as for the forum comment thats cold man, fucking cold.
Purple is good people, back off himu!
Also LULZ at people calling this power rangers and the story different from other kitase/Nomura's FF's.
Fucking delusional people.
Oh please. FF13 is the cheesiest FF ever. At least with FF10-2 it didn't take itself nearly as serious.
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That scene seems no diff from say, FF8's war scene, or when they skateboard on the wires in FF10, or when Alexander attacks in FF9. Diamond Weapon attacking in FF7. Just typical FF pap.
That scene seems no diff from say, FF8's war scene, or when they skateboard on the wires in FF10, or when Alexander attacks in FF9. Diamond Weapon attacking in FF7. Just typical FF pap.
Exactly. Himu forgot to play all FFs before playing 13 like he always do ::)
People who were hyped? When? Like a year ago? Or AFTER the shitstorm backlash after the game came out in Japan?
I don't see why it's so funny when no one knew a thing about it until it landed in Japan.
People who were hyped? When? Like a year ago? Or AFTER the shitstorm backlash after the game came out in Japan?
I don't see why it's so funny when no one knew a thing about it until it landed in Japan.
Ever since the demo was released (since some were in denial that the whole game would be like it).
The japan release hammered it home for the ones who decided to import.
I've actually enjoyed most of the action-y cutscenes. It's when someone starts yapping about BUT THERE IS HOPE, HOPE! LIKE YOUR NAME! and all that corny shit that I start thumbing the skip button. Sazh's little father-son story made me dawww, though :heartThat scene seems no diff from say, FF8's war scene, or when they skateboard on the wires in FF10, or when Alexander attacks in FF9. Diamond Weapon attacking in FF7. Just typical FF pap.
I think it's pretty different in that nothing is really explained and nothing makes sense. It's like, okay, let's have this parade with a bunch of bikers! Alright, fuck yeah! And then a bunch of Power Rangers come out with their Zords and fight battles you can hardly make heads or tails what's going on in it.
Whereas Alexander vs Bahamut is awesome. I can't say the same for Power Rangers vs random bikers and monsters.That scene seems no diff from say, FF8's war scene, or when they skateboard on the wires in FF10, or when Alexander attacks in FF9. Diamond Weapon attacking in FF7. Just typical FF pap.
Exactly. Himu forgot to play all FFs before playing 13 like he always do ::)
Actually, I did! And that scene still sucks.
People who were hyped? When? Like a year ago? Or AFTER the shitstorm backlash after the game came out in Japan?
I don't see why it's so funny when no one knew a thing about it until it landed in Japan.
Ever since the demo was released (since some were in denial that the whole game would be like it).
The japan release hammered it home for the ones who decided to import.
But a demo is a demo, man. But I guess you have a point. People were in denial after the demo, but since they said it was the first area in game people gave them the benefit of the doubt.
People who were hyped? When? Like a year ago? Or AFTER the shitstorm backlash after the game came out in Japan?
I don't see why it's so funny when no one knew a thing about it until it landed in Japan.
Ever since the demo was released (since some were in denial that the whole game would be like it).
The japan release hammered it home for the ones who decided to import.
But a demo is a demo, man. But I guess you have a point. People were in denial after the demo, but since they said it was the first area in game people gave them the benefit of the doubt.
Anyways that was my weird view.
So...you said it was like a Power Rangers movie, would it be like The first one (Original with ninja) or second one (Turbo)?
People who were hyped? When? Like a year ago? Or AFTER the shitstorm backlash after the game came out in Japan?
I don't see why it's so funny when no one knew a thing about it until it landed in Japan.
Ever since the demo was released (since some were in denial that the whole game would be like it).
The japan release hammered it home for the ones who decided to import.
But a demo is a demo, man. But I guess you have a point. People were in denial after the demo, but since they said it was the first area in game people gave them the benefit of the doubt.
Anyways that was my weird view.
So...you said it was like a Power Rangers movie, would it be like The first one (Original with ninja) or second one (Turbo)?
The original. The part where they call their ninja zords and start flying in the city skyline and then start to kick ass totally reminded me of that scene in FF13. And all the talk about HOPE and DREAMS and WE GOTTA DO THIS GUYS and HEROES DON'T DIE and AREN'T YOU GONNA SAVE HER HERO?! etc really, REALLY reminded me of the Power Rangers.
http://www.vg247.com/2010/04/30/main-character-for-persona-5-has-an-introverted-personality/
Himu-chan :uguu
Are you sure this is about a NEW Persona game, and not an interview about P3/P3P in general? It sounds like they're talking about P3's general development, and the design choices and evolution of the main character's design when the game was in development.
Umm the whole point of the link is: Himu can cry "Cheesy" or "I've outgrown that kind of story, too bad I'm not 14 anymore" all he wants. He still likes his uguu with extra cheese and a strawberry milkshake.
Umm the whole point of the link is: Himu can cry "Cheesy" or "I've outgrown that kind of story, too bad I'm not 14 anymore" all he wants. He still likes his uguu with extra cheese and a strawberry milkshake.
Umm the whole point of the link is: Himu can cry "Cheesy" or "I've outgrown that kind of story, too bad I'm not 14 anymore" all he wants. He still likes his uguu with extra cheese and a strawberry milkshake.
Persona has animu, but it's not offensive animu. Bringing up Persona is futile.
On top of this, Persona 4 has actually has characters with depth and character development. There is not one character in FF13 that nearly has as much personality as Junpei or Kanji.(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z2/teasels/persona3.jpg?t=1272710910)
I don't see "mom's are tough!" or "HEROES DON'T DIE!" in that video, do you?!
Persona 3 and Persona 4 are better than FFXIII
:patelspoiler (click to show/hide)yep, just :miyamoto[close]
:bow THIRD :bow2What was the last Final Fantasy you really enjoyed? You hated XII, but have warmed up to it. Was it X? It's just weird that you'd give up on franchise after, what in your opinion, was a less than stellar offering. It's just one game in a long running series.
SMT, my new Fainaruu Fantashii
Are you so drunk on your weeaboo juice that you honestly try to categorize and distinguish between wacky jappy uguu stories and themes? As far as a I know, they all have their fair share of naive, starry eyed, heroic bullcrap. I couldn't care less about the story of any JRPG, honestly.
I mean I've just spent the past ten hours doing missions and upgrading my characters, and I'm having a blast. If I spent half of that time analyzing ANY videogame's story, let alone a T rated JRPG, I would find enough negative impressions to fill a book or two. Same goes for Himusona.
Snap out of it, Himumu. ::)
:bow THIRD :bow2What was the last Final Fantasy you really enjoyed? You hated XII, but have warmed up to it. Was it X? It's just weird that you'd give up on franchise after, what in your opinion, was a less than stellar offering. It's just one game in a long running series.
SMT, my new Fainaruu Fantashii
You can't do anything in FF13 unless the story wills it.uh... just wondering... but... isn't persona that game that cockblocks your boring random dungeon crawling because IT'S NOT YET A FULL MOON?
Persona 3 and Persona 4 are better than FFXIII
:patelspoiler (click to show/hide)yep, just :miyamoto[close]
man FFXIII must be really bad then :-\
but i bet the combat doesn't get worse than the one more system,it's scientificaly impossible :smugspoiler (click to show/hide)persona :yuck[close]
QuoteYou can't do anything in FF13 unless the story wills it.uh... just wondering... but... isn't persona that game that cockblocks your boring random dungeon crawling because IT'S NOT YET A FULL MOON?
Are you so drunk on your weeaboo juice
persona shits over the FF games in terms of story. I am sorry but it is true because there isnt a single FF game that has a good story. FFIX probably came the closest.
:bow One of the few JRPGs period in which the story isn't plagued with tinges of wacky jappy distinguished mentally-challengedpersona shits over the FF games in terms of story. I am sorry but it is true because there isnt a single FF game that has a good story. FFIX probably came the closest.
I enjoyed FF6's
FFXIII would be probably worse than Infinite Undiscovery.Let's not go that far
FFXIII would be probably worse than Infinite Undiscovery.Let's not go that far
Yeah, that was a pretty good one. Don't know why Jin used it on me though as I'm waging a war against uguu.
Yes, but that's not a compelling argument as it still lets you play the game. You unlock fusion and the works right in the first dungeon. You can use slinks to your advantage from the first dungeon. Persona 3 doesn't dictate how the player plays the game
In FF13, you can't change your party until 20 hours in because - you guessed it - the party is always split up.and out of curiosity how long does it take before you have a full party in persona 3/4? it takes quite a while,but it's not a problem for persona
You can't customize your party leader until 25 hours in. Character customization is completely locked until you beat chapters. You can't choose any role you want until you're 25 hours into the game.your choice of customization in persona are reduced to what persona you use and do you ever want to use anything different than "the one that comes with the spell the monster are weak to it"? and heck you can't even customize your party member,why it's not a problem for persona?
The game doesn't let you explorethere is nothing to explore in persona game since all you have are empty random dungeon
persona shits over the FF games in terms of storymaybe ff8 :teehee
RoF isn't holding things back, it's just the plot is written/incorporated badly so it doesn't make sense unless someone explains it to you.
RoF isn't holding things back, it's just the plot is written/incorporated badly so it doesn't make sense unless someone explains it to you.
Doesn't FF13 do the same thing though with the datalog? No one reads that shit.
I just finished the game.
As the credits rolled, I shook my head in disbelief, "is this it? is this what himumu and the others are calling the worst story and ending of a FF? surely they jest. They must have been playing a different series than I have."
And then I stood up, shouted "HEROES NEVER DIE" and hugged my tough mom.
13 = 7 = 10 >>>>> 8 . Real talk.
Himuchan is delusional
I just finished the game.
As the credits rolled, I shook my head in disbelief, "is this it? is this what himumu and the others are calling the worst story and ending of a FF? surely they jest. They must have been playing a different series than I have."
And then I stood up, shouted "HEROES NEVER DIE" and hugged my tough mom.
13 = 7 = 10 >>>>> 8 . Real talk.
Himuchan is delusional
How am I delusional?
the game stops you from advancing forcing you to do those s.link even if you don't want to do them (not to mention you can't skip them) if that's not "dictating how the player plays the game" then i don't know what that is
you telling me that "you can still do fusion!" would be like me going "you can still go back in the tube and fight monster until you rack enough money!"
your choice of customization in persona are reduced to what persona you use and do you ever want to use anything different than "the one that comes with the spell the monster are weak to it"? and heck you can't even customize your party member,why it's not a problem for persona?
there is nothing to explore in persona game since all you have are empty random dungeon
guys save the world in generic fantasy = OMG THIS IS SO DULL AND DRAB I HATE EVERYTHING
guys save the world in modern tokyo = OMG THIS IS AWESOME
you guys go play tales of legendia,then you will know when a story is TRULY bad
and not just because there is a scene where the character dance like idiots
Quote from: HimuroHow am I delusional?
(http://i11.tinypic.com/nch7c2.jpg)
:bow Jinfash :bow2
Although I need to fix your rankings.
6 > 4 = 10 = 9 = 7 = 13 > 5 > 3 > 8 > 11 > 12 > 1 > 2
get fooled by a reverse trap = interesting character.
wanting to be sluts = interesting character.
persona 4.
(http://i11.tinypic.com/nch7c2.jpg)
FF7>>>>All others!
Although I need to fix your rankings.
6 > 4 = 10 = 9 = 7 = 13 > 5 > 3 > 8 > 11 > 12 > 1 > 2
FF7>>>>All others!Wrath wins the thread
What kind of argument is that?
Slinks allow you to level certain Personas more. So those story segments equate to more gameplay. That does not dictate what I can and cannot do.
You have the choice of slinks, fusion, dungeon crawling, and more.more? more like what?
It's a lot more interesting than the typical FF route and has a lot more thought put it into than the typical jrpg.
But, I think P3/P4's stories are pretty good *and* unique. P3's story is enjoyable with a great cast, but it's missing something. P4's story is one of the better stories in the genre, in my opinion. And I'm usually not one to care about that stuff in these games.
And I'm usually not one to care about that stuff in these games.
Jesus, I could understand not really enjoying 13 and leaving it at that. The lengths the himumutards are going for this ardent hatred towards it are laughable. :rofl
I don't even hate it!
Yes, I cant wait for the riveting tale of high school drama club
awesome japapop :rock
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awesome japapop :rock
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I cant trust anyone here. FFXII is like the worst FF to date, atleast FF1 and FF2 had something interesting about them. FFXII has to be the most boring FF to date and has put me off all the new FF's to come. I cannot even bring myself to but FF13 because of FF12, yet some people here like the game.
I cant trust anyone here. FFXII is like the worst FF to date, atleast FF1 and FF2 had something interesting about them. FFXII has to be the most boring FF to date and has put me off all the new FF's to come. I cannot even bring myself to but FF13 because of FF12, yet some people here like the game.
I cant trust anyone here. FFXII is like the worst FF to date, atleast FF1 and FF2 had something interesting about them. FFXII has to be the most boring FF to date and has put me off all the new FF's to come. I cannot even bring myself to but FF13 because of FF12, yet some people here like the game.
Fucking thread shitters get out of ma official thread.
I had to play through the entire game without coming here to share any impressions or discussions, It's annoying. :-\
Go create a trolling thread that I can easily ignore.
we win
You win... what, exactly?
Afaik, there are only two people here who paid full price for a game they hated so much, they spent more time trolling it that they did playing it. Hint: It's not me or demi. 8)
we win
You win... what, exactly?
Afaik, there are only two people here who paid full price for a game they hated so much, they spent more time trolling it that they did playing it. Hint: It's not me or demi. 8)
nah, not best game ever. but I am feeling a hell of a lot better about it now that I'm 20 FUCKING HOURS IN AND THEY FINALLY GAVE ME FULL CONTROL MOTHERFUCKERS. Srsly. First 20 hours of FFXIII are total bullshit. I needed a good long break from the game before I could finally deal with it shades. Now I'm halfway through chapter 10 and I'm looking forward as fuck to chapter 11...you know, that point where a final fantasy game gets all compulsive? i.e. after the first couple hours of XII? What the fuck happened during the making of this game to make them drag it out so long?
nah, not best game ever. but I am feeling a hell of a lot better about it now that I'm 20 FUCKING HOURS IN AND THEY FINALLY GAVE ME FULL CONTROL MOTHERFUCKERS. Srsly. First 20 hours of FFXIII are total bullshit. I needed a good long break from the game before I could finally deal with it shades. Now I'm halfway through chapter 10 and I'm looking forward as fuck to chapter 11...you know, that point where a final fantasy game gets all compulsive? i.e. after the first couple hours of XII? What the fuck happened during the making of this game to make them drag it out so long?
Would you even bother if it weren't a FF game? It's amazing how much SE can get away with because of that franchise's cachet.
I mean, how many people would bother playing a game which everyone knows, will take 20 hrs before getting to the good part?
The battle system is only good in certain battles though. It's not like fighting the same enemies, using the same strategies doesn't get boring. The battle system basics are there, but not enough to carry the whole game.
The battle system is only good in certain battles though. It's not like fighting the same enemies, using the same strategies doesn't get boring. The battle system basics are there, but not enough to carry the whole game.
You can say that about every rpg though.
Even in the best SMT you'll use the same tactics against the same enemy group every time. But in FFXIII and SMT and good rpgs the first time you encounter the group, it's fun figuring out the best way to beat them.
Well himu, it was nice working with you, but I'm off the troll wagon because CHAPTER 11 OMFG. If it's as large as it seems, I'm gonna be spending a lot of time in gran pulse.
I actually love this part with no qualifications on it. Just great JRPG gameplay, amazing graphics, and music. And the upgrade system finally means something since the enemies are tough. Still pissed there are no audio sliders...not sure why character grunts have to be so damn loud while the awesome music is barely in the background.
If any other jilted Final Fantasy fans get a spare 25 hours to get to chapter 11, go for it, it's worth it.
beat it. Yeah, the old raging hate for this game was coming back towards the end. :lolYou mean Gran Pulse? Just finish the missions and you should be all set with the game. Five starring them was pretty fun as well. I was going for the Platinum, but the tedium of the treasure hunter trophy was too much. I remember reading some dude on GAF grinding for 12 hours in one day to get enough money to upgrade all the weapons and armor.
Had no fucking clue what was going on in the ending but parts of it were pretty, I guess. Pretty much sums up the whole game, nothing makes any sense BUT HEY LOOK AT THIS PRETTY CRYSTAL look at it look at it look at it and waves of color and magic shit sparkling and vanille orgasming at everything !!!! Who cares if none of it makes sense when it's all so beautiful!!
Probably gonna trade it in, then pick it up on the cheap sometime later to go back to the good part.
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vanille's voice actor has a really well rounded, uh, personality!
Think I can kill this shit in 5 days? OR WILL IT KILL ME? Gonna try and marathon, but lawd' I should know better.Maybe it can be done in one shot. I got right to the end and never finished. :(
The shitty exposition at the start is really wearing thin on me. I don't care about Snow and his relationship with Sera, I don't care about how Lightning treated Sera like shit on the day she turned into a giant cubic zirconia, I don't care about Hope and his relationship with his parents and I don't care about Vanille at all. The only characters that are remotely interesting are Lightning and Sazh. I just want to get on with the story and save this planet full of douchebags. Noooo, run through these tunnels and we'll stop you every ten minutes to give you insight on why Vanille puckers her bootyhole at night. Fuck this shit.
I also can't believe they have the most vapid character in the game narrating. This is worse than Vaan being the main character in FFXII.
You watch the cutscenes?
I just skip them all and listen to podcasts and random music assortment when playing the game. That way I can skip the squeals of Vanille and the shitty attempts at character exploration. I heard the music is good but it doesn't seem worth it to have the volume on in this game.