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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1020 on: March 21, 2010, 08:00:48 PM »
Damn you get to play as Snow -and- Hope in Ch 7.

My bros :heart
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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1021 on: March 21, 2010, 08:13:35 PM »
That part pissed me off, because when you have a two member party, the sentinel thing is aggravating.  Not to mention I kept getting Hope killed by those floating ship enemies on the way to the end of their scenario.  Lots of phoenix downs used there  :'(

edit: but it was worth it because afterwards, Fang and Lightning :hyper
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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1022 on: March 21, 2010, 08:15:36 PM »
Just beat it.  Good game overall, but boy it could've used more variety.

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« Reply #1023 on: March 21, 2010, 10:07:41 PM »
How many hours, Rman?

Doing marks is a fun time waster, and some of the hunts are actually legitimately challenging, which is refreshing considering the rest of the game. It also feels good to be teased (ie. see a treasure chest across a lake but can't reach it? Keep playing to find out how!) so that tells me that the developers didn't forget how to make an rpg. Speaking of treasure, it's great that the treasures are rewarding now. Now I can get my loot on. It only took 27 hours. Furthermore, I like how you can redo missions if you choose as well. FF12 should have had that feature.

If there's one thing I dislike about this marks sidequest so far though, it's that it doesn't really explicitly tell you where the mark is. You have to travel across a huge ass plane on foot, and it takes minutes to get from one place to another. Like many other aspects of the game, that's unnecessary tedium.

Glad to see the developers realized that variety in a 40+ hour game is good. If the game had mini areas scattered throughout with the game with these mark sidequests placed in between the linear areas the game would really benefit, not only from a variety stand point (it gets boring after 10 hours doing bland corridor dungeons) but also in terms of pacing for the same exact reason. But then, that game wouldn't be FF13, it'd be a whole different game in general.
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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1024 on: March 21, 2010, 10:17:16 PM »
I'm glad they remembered how to make an RPG too. Now we have FF13 :bow
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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1025 on: March 21, 2010, 10:21:52 PM »
How many hours, Rman?

Doing marks is a fun time waster, and some of the hunts are actually legitimately challenging, which is refreshing considering the rest of the game. It also feels good to be teased (ie. see a treasure chest across a lake but can't reach it? Keep playing to find out how!) so that tells me that the developers didn't forget how to make an rpg. Speaking of treasure, it's great that the treasures are rewarding now. Now I can get my loot on. It only took 27 hours. Furthermore, I like how you can redo missions if you choose as well. FF12 should have had that feature.

If there's one thing I dislike about this marks sidequest so far though, it's that it doesn't really explicitly tell you where the mark is. You have to travel across a huge ass plane on foot, and it takes minutes to get from one place to another. Like many other aspects of the game, that's unnecessary tedium.

Glad to see the developers realized that variety in a 40+ hour game is good. If the game had mini areas scattered throughout with the game with these mark sidequests placed in between the linear areas the game would really benefit, not only from a variety stand point (it gets boring after 10 hours doing bland corridor dungeons) but also in terms of pacing for the same exact reason. But then, that game wouldn't be FF13, it'd be a whole different game in general.

40 to 50 hours, but I did a lot hunts, half of them before completing the game.  I was skeptical about the hunts, but I've been enjoying them.  I can't wait to get start going after the class A hunts.

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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1026 on: March 21, 2010, 11:14:32 PM »
Some of the Class A ones are eviiiiiil

Rman

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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1027 on: March 21, 2010, 11:21:21 PM »
Yeah.  I tried to fight Neochu early on, the hunt that yields the Growth Egg accessory. He killed me in seconds.

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« Reply #1028 on: March 21, 2010, 11:56:56 PM »
Finally got Fang's ultimate weapon and leveled it to 100. Didn't know it comes with an extra ATB slot, so that was a nice surprise. Did the trick that gives you two more traps for (relatively) cheap as well, so I figure I'll farm a little more to get Hope and Lightning's weapons to max rank before I finish the rest of the missions. Only have 10-15 A ranks left and one B rank
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the one against the giant Cactuar; he destroyed me really fast the last time I attempted it, so I figured I'd come back later... But now that I think about, I probably could have done it by just changing my strategy around a little bit :duh
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Yeah.  I tried to fight Neochu early on, the hunt that yields the Growth Egg accessory. He killed me in seconds.

Yeah, if you want to kill him any time soon you're going to need to get lucky with Vanille's Death spell. Get haste on her ASAP, put Hope on healing and Fang as a sentinel and hope you get the lucky instant kill.
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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1029 on: March 22, 2010, 10:33:37 AM »
Just made it to the
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...chapter 10 I think?

Even though a few chapters drag on for a bit too long, I'm still having fun, especially now that I'm getting the rhythm of switching paradigms. Looking forward to starting the optional area. How long does it take to max everything out in the game and get a Platinum? Trying to decide whether or not it's worth it.
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« Reply #1030 on: March 22, 2010, 11:21:19 AM »
Lots of grinding for hours.  Not worth it.

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« Reply #1031 on: March 22, 2010, 12:33:12 PM »
Oh good god.  When the hell am I going to get out of that canyon from hell in Chapter 4?  Hope is fucking worthless by the way.  I just defeated Odin last night before going to bed.  That shit was obnoxious.  Still pretty fun.

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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1032 on: March 22, 2010, 12:35:27 PM »
You're out of the canyon when you fight Odin, don't worry, but the next chapter is just as bad.
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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1033 on: March 22, 2010, 12:41:10 PM »
what the fuck distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. change your avatar. reminds me of amirox.
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« Reply #1034 on: March 22, 2010, 12:42:54 PM »
Goddamit, Ami.
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« Reply #1035 on: March 22, 2010, 12:43:46 PM »
Thank God.  I beat Odin and just walked back to the save point. 

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« Reply #1036 on: March 22, 2010, 01:09:17 PM »
lol you are definitly NOT done after you beat Odin

my god this is fucking awful
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Himu

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« Reply #1037 on: March 22, 2010, 01:10:26 PM »
lol you are definitly NOT done after you beat Odin

my god this is fucking awful

He isn't? I don't remember.

What happened to "lol ff13 bitchers" ;etc earlier in the thread, PT?
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« Reply #1038 on: March 22, 2010, 01:29:41 PM »
what the fuck distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. change your avatar. reminds me of amirox.
Didn't BuddyC have that avatar for a bit?

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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1039 on: March 22, 2010, 01:34:00 PM »
well i fucking love every other FF and wasted way too much of my teenage years (and 20s :( ) playing them, but goddamn this game really does bore the shit out of me.  I'm just about to finish Ch. 4 (after 8 hours cuz i keep falling asleep lol), and so far this seems like it's the easiest FF since 7.  mash x til the screen turns red, then push a button to heal.  if a battle is taking too long, push a button to cast debuffs.  that's pretty much all i have to do for every battle, then it's back to this lame-ass story that goes NOWHERE.  as flawed as you all make them sound, i really want to get to the hunts.  they were the one thing that really made FFXII for me, and i'm hoping that once i get to use some real strategy i'll start liking this game more.
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Himu

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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1040 on: March 22, 2010, 01:36:55 PM »
The problem with FF13 is that "strategic" is usually just "long and tedious, has millions of hp"
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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1041 on: March 22, 2010, 01:40:26 PM »
goddammit i should have bought GoW3
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Himu

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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1042 on: March 22, 2010, 01:46:53 PM »
Haha.

I'm trying to beat it this week so I can trade it in for Strange Journey. Me, Himuro, trading in a Final Fantasy.
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« Reply #1043 on: March 22, 2010, 01:59:31 PM »
The problem with FF13 is that "strategic" is usually just "long and tedious, has millions of hp"

FF13 has the shortest battles in any FF.  If you think any boss has too much HP, you're missing something key to the fight.

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« Reply #1044 on: March 22, 2010, 02:04:01 PM »
Yeah, the battles are are pretty short. You can tell just by your star rating at the end of the battle - if you're not getting 5 stars, you're doing something wrong.
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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1045 on: March 22, 2010, 04:17:11 PM »
Just finished chapter 11. People really had trouble beating those bosses?
Beat them in one try without breaking a sweat. Got 5 stars with the first boss and 4 stars with the final chapter 11 boss.
The game has been eally easy so far.

Chapter 12 is next.

Himu

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« Reply #1046 on: March 22, 2010, 04:19:08 PM »
The problem with FF13 is that "strategic" is usually just "long and tedious, has millions of hp"

FF13 has the shortest battles in any FF.  If you think any boss has too much HP, you're missing something key to the fight.

Think it's cuz I haven't been upgrading weapons?
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« Reply #1047 on: March 22, 2010, 04:23:06 PM »
I still haven't upgraded anything yet. Still waiting until I've found Lionheart weapon for Lightning.
I don't even know if I've missed the treasure containing the weapon.

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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1048 on: March 22, 2010, 04:26:17 PM »
I bought Lionheart from a shop at the start of Chapter 12. That's when I started upgrading too.
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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1049 on: March 22, 2010, 04:26:41 PM »
Honestly, I don't know. I'll scan a boss to see what his deal is with libra, and it says no weaknesses. Okay. So I switch to rav/rav/com and it takes forever to get his stagger meter up, even if I use com/syn/sab or something. I don't really consider it the "fastest battles of the series" at all. Especially compared to games like FF10-2 and FF1-6 or even FF12.

Either that or they feel like they take forever because it feels like building the stagger is all I do. Or something.

Lionheart? Total fangasm. What are its benefits?
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« Reply #1050 on: March 22, 2010, 04:28:15 PM »
I upgrade whatever I feel like, because I'm a boss.




And because I grinded some Incentive Chips from the soldiers at Hope's house and made out with over 100k so I bought a ton of upgrade materials
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« Reply #1051 on: March 22, 2010, 04:30:53 PM »
I'm 40 hours into the game and only have 14k Gil.  :lol
That's without buying anything. I think I've sold a few small things.

But I'f I were to sell all of the disposable items, I would make 1mln easy.

The Lionheart weapon is the best weapon for Lightning because it offers the best balance for her ravager/commando skills.

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« Reply #1052 on: March 22, 2010, 04:36:12 PM »
Sell your circuits. I haven't been grinding at all and I have 50k. At the end of chapter 11 you get a circuit that's worth 400k.
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« Reply #1053 on: March 22, 2010, 04:36:38 PM »
Lionheart has weak attack and magic, but it has the Quick Stagger skill which lets you build the stagger meter a lot faster. It's very useful, especially since Lightning's primary role is Ravager.

Oh, and I wouldn't bother selling anything unless it says "can be sold for a premium" in the item description. You don't really need money until post-game, and then oh boy do you need money.
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« Reply #1054 on: March 22, 2010, 04:37:46 PM »
I've been leveling up the Axis Blade. I'll go with that instead.
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« Reply #1055 on: March 22, 2010, 05:56:34 PM »
I fucking love this game. Fighting Sazh's Ediolon right now. SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT why did it take so long for this game to come out. ITS SO GOOD
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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1056 on: March 22, 2010, 07:32:09 PM »
Is there any awesome moment in FF13 like the one below? 

[youtube=560,345]BU8-e-C4Uy0&hl[/youtube]

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« Reply #1057 on: March 22, 2010, 07:34:42 PM »
None that I've seen so far
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« Reply #1058 on: March 22, 2010, 07:35:58 PM »
Is there any awesome moment in FF13 like the one below? 

[youtube=560,345]BU8-e-C4Uy0&hl[/youtube]

The whole game is like that.
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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1059 on: March 22, 2010, 07:49:28 PM »
Bull fucking shit Himuro, XIIIis leagues, LEAGUES better than the godawful exchanges that happen in X.  And I love X!  Name one scene in the game that even approaches that level of awful.  Even Vanille's shit is more bearable than that.

Himumu, you are so bipolar.
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« Reply #1060 on: March 22, 2010, 07:55:29 PM »
Himu the new Bebpo

No scene is as bad as the laughing scene so far
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Himu

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« Reply #1061 on: March 22, 2010, 08:19:09 PM »
Bull fucking shit Himuro, XIIIis leagues, LEAGUES better than the godawful exchanges that happen in X.  And I love X!  Name one scene in the game that even approaches that level of awful.  Even Vanille's shit is more bearable than that.

Himumu, you are so bipolar.

???

I never said I liked the story, so I'm not seeing how I'm bipolar in regards to the characters or the plot? I've been trashing the story since day one; heck, even before the game came out, although some characters like Lightning and Sazh are pretty good characters.

In any case, there are numerous scenes that are as bad as the laughing scene and this game has more cheese than FF10. The scene with the mid boss in chapter 10 is a perfect example.
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« Reply #1062 on: March 22, 2010, 08:22:19 PM »
SERA SERA SERAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

March 4, 2010.

bububut bipolar

FF13's dialogue and writing are trash.
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« Reply #1063 on: March 22, 2010, 08:36:18 PM »
Haha, that isnt anywhere close to that scene

As long as you agree 13 > 12 I'm ok with whatever posts you call an opinion you decide to waste our time with
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« Reply #1064 on: March 22, 2010, 08:40:27 PM »
Oh come on, demi. That scene is terrible. Where are you so I don't spoil.
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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1065 on: March 22, 2010, 08:41:03 PM »
Chapter 9
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« Reply #1066 on: March 22, 2010, 08:45:02 PM »
The problem with FF13 is that "strategic" is usually just "long and tedious, has millions of hp"

FF13 has the shortest battles in any FF.  If you think any boss has too much HP, you're missing something key to the fight.

Think it's cuz I haven't been upgrading weapons?

Maybe.  By Ch.11 you definitely should be getting HUGE stat upgrades through weapons.

The only boss that took me a while was the color changing turtle with sahz.  But I'm pretty sure I approached that fight wrong.

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« Reply #1067 on: March 22, 2010, 08:46:38 PM »
Finally got Fang in my party.
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« Reply #1068 on: March 22, 2010, 08:47:44 PM »
Chapter 7, right?

Fang is really fun.
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« Reply #1069 on: March 22, 2010, 08:49:22 PM »
Not a fan of Fang so far. She has Commando, which makes the AI target what she does, and other than that she stands there as a Sentinel, or casts Slow as a Saboteur... not the best mixup, to me. And I dont like using Lightning as a Ravager
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« Reply #1070 on: March 22, 2010, 08:54:32 PM »
Chapter 7, right?

Fang is really fun.

Yeah, I think so. I'm totally slacking, probably won't beat before this we leave for Japan.
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« Reply #1071 on: March 22, 2010, 09:02:02 PM »
Chapter 7, right?

Fang is really fun.

Yeah, I think so. I'm totally slacking, probably won't beat before this we leave for Japan.

Wait, when are you going to Japan again?  April?

FMA brotherhood isn't ending until late June :P 60 something eps.

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« Reply #1072 on: March 22, 2010, 09:28:09 PM »
Think I found the best grinding spot for high level parties. Just repeat mission 63 (A rank, target: Adamantroise) in Sulyya Springs and clear out the other 4 turtles roaming the Steppes. Doing that I got 10 kills in 45 minutes + chance of Traps and Platinum Ingots from the turtles (sellable for 150k) + guaranteed 120k gil from the mission. Spent 45 minutes killing the turtle in Eden and managed 12 kills, but you lose out on the guaranteed 120k gil from the mission. Might not be the best for pure CP (turtles are 80k CP each with a growth egg) or money, but it's the best mix imo, at least until you get all 6 Traps for your party.

I'm nearly done with all the grindan, thankfully. Hopefully I'll be able to 1000 this before Strange Journey is out.

Not a fan of Fang so far. She has Commando, which makes the AI target what she does, and other than that she stands there as a Sentinel, or casts Slow as a Saboteur... not the best mixup, to me. And I dont like using Lightning as a Ravager

Fang has the highest strength (and decent magic) though. Level up her Saboteur skills and she'll learn deprotect, deshell, imperil, slow, pain, fog, etc. Sentinel is solely for tanking. And if you're playing as someone else, just make sure you select all of your attacks and choose the enemy you want to attack before your ATB initially fills. The AI will always follow who you're targeting, but if you're too slow they'll just fight whoever.

Actually, I think if you have two commandos at once the other one will target a different enemy. Forgot about that, and it's pretty annoying.
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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1073 on: March 22, 2010, 10:39:32 PM »
So, Himuro, I've heard you're giving up on the main single player FFs after XIII?

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« Reply #1074 on: March 22, 2010, 10:55:35 PM »
Chapter 7, right?

Fang is really fun.

Yeah, I think so. I'm totally slacking, probably won't beat before this we leave for Japan.

Wait, when are you going to Japan again?  April?

FMA brotherhood isn't ending until late June :P 60 something eps.

We leave April 3rd and get there on the 4th. I thought FMA:B was 52 episodes? Oh well, not like I'll be in the hotel room to watch it anyway.
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« Reply #1075 on: March 23, 2010, 12:02:19 AM »
FMA:B is tied to end right after the final manga chapter.  Manga chapter is first week of June, anime ends 2-3 weeks later.

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« Reply #1076 on: March 23, 2010, 12:06:47 AM »
So, Himuro, I've heard you're giving up on the main single player FFs after XIII?

I dunno. I want to give Versus a shot.
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« Reply #1077 on: March 23, 2010, 12:21:02 AM »
I can finally build a team

Now I dont know who to use  :fbm
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Re: FF13 creator: "we hope u rike our game"
« Reply #1078 on: March 23, 2010, 01:09:14 AM »
I'm almost there.  Chapter 9 annoys me, constantly switching scenarios and the enemies have gotten pretty butthard.  In Lightning's scenario, I ran into a group were there was like three of those robot armor thingies and three of the things that cast that huge whirlwind.  Got KO'd after about a minute  :fbm
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« Reply #1079 on: March 23, 2010, 01:18:49 AM »
I just used the default Rav/Rav/Com and focused on one. Sometimes throwing Fang into Sentinel to provoke, while Hope heals

Barthandelus :bow
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