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[Himu]

Where is mission 37, demi?

[demi]

Dunno, I didnt play that far. I'm on Chapter 13

[Himu]

But isn't that the mission that gives sprint shoes?

[demi]

The reward, yeah. But I already got 2 (about to get my third) and I'm about to beat the game.

[Rman]

The reward, yeah. But I already got 2 (about to get my third) and I'm about to beat the game.

Unless the guide is wrong, there's is no mission the yields the Sprint Shoes as a reward.  You can get the Hermes Sandals, which you can upgrade to Sprint Shoes in Mission 34.  Again, that's a one time reward.  You can make more Sprint Shoes from Tetradic Crowns and Tiaras.  You'll need to upgrade them to maximum and then dismantle them.  Crowns yield Hermes Sandals, which can be upgraded to Sprint Shoes.  Just keep fighting Mission Mark 7 for these, Himuro, and you'll be on your way.

[demi]

Rman, I said this. Read my previous posts, thanks

Himuro is just a lazy nigra who refuses to read.

[Rman]

Demi, dumb question, but are you 1000'd this?  I'm playing on the PS3 and the Platinum trophy just seems insanely grindy, getting every item, which means upgrading every weapon and maxing out the Crystarium for each character?!

I think I'll max out the three main jobs, get the ultimate weapons for my main battle team, and complete all the Marks and I'll be done.

[demi]

Of course I'm gonna 1000 it

[Himu]

The reward, yeah. But I already got 2 (about to get my third) and I'm about to beat the game.

Unless the guide is wrong, there's is no mission the yields the Sprint Shoes as a reward.  You can get the Hermes Sandals, which you can upgrade to Sprint Shoes in Mission 34.  Again, that's a one time reward.  You can make more Sprint Shoes from Tetradic Crowns and Tiaras.  You'll need to upgrade them to maximum and then dismantle them.  Crowns yield Hermes Sandals, which can be upgraded to Sprint Shoes.  Just keep fighting Mission Mark 7 for these, Himuro, and you'll be on your way.

I know all of this.

I just need two more collectors catalogs so I can get some tiaras.

[demi]

The compression is really bad near the end. It's like they had to squeeze it in as best they could

[demi]

Holy fucking shit I LOVE ARMY OF ONE

I tore the FUCK out of Barthandelus

[demi]

Damn, Orphan is pretty brutal. Fukin sword drop. But Army of One tears his pussy like himu snausage

[demi]

WOW

The final boss has an instant death spell

Well, I better stop here before I tweak

[tiesto]

Just got to Pulse, did the first 5 hunts. Think I'm gonna do every trophy except the weapon upgrade one and the 5 star all the hunts... how many hunts are possible to do before moving onto chapter 12?

[demi]

Probably up to 20 at least. You can go back to Pulse before you fight the final boss.

[Rman]

WOW

The final boss has an instant death spell

Well, I better stop here before I tweak

I heard a lot of people had trouble with this.  The Death spell never connected in my playthrough.

[demi]

Yeah imagine my surprise when he connected to me when I had him 3/4 dead!

Now I'm upgrading a Cherub's Crown for as much Death resistance as I can

[demi]

Even with 60% Death Resistance, he still hits me. Am I doing the math wrong here?

[recursivelyenumerable]

I've heard it's really meant as a time limit in disguise.  So just do more damage more faster.

[demi]

I've heard it's really meant as a time limit in disguise.  So just do more damage more faster.

That's the third form. The 2nd form is an actual fight

Barthandelus -> Orphan -> Oprhan Time Limit (casts Doom at the start)

[demi]

Damn I only 3-star'd the 2nd form. I hope I can 5-star the final one. I 5-star'd Barthandelus with the quickness.

[Mr. Gundam]

Gran Pulse is kicking my ass. Fun, but still kicking my ass.

[Smooth Groove]

Can you start a new game with the stuff earned from the previous game?

[demi]

Nope



Also got Superstar. Surprisingly easy.

[demi]

WHAT AN AMAZING GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And they even played MY HANDS


Top best JRPG this gen FOR SURE


I WANT MOAR

[Ichirou]

Wow, glad I skipped The Last Remnant.  demi has shit taste confirmed.

[demi]

Dont get it twisted, man. TLR > FF13

But FF13 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vesperia etc

[Rman]

Who was in your main team, Demi?

[Junpei the Tracer!]

Finally got a Chocobo. Good times. Almost done grinding and shit. Felt like I've been in Chapter 11 forever.

[Himu]

Dont get it twisted, man. TLR > FF13

But FF13 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vesperia etc

No way

[recursivelyenumerable]

My review based on reading FAQs, listening to the soundtrack, and watching most of the cutscenes and big battles on youtube

soundtrack is great    hamauzu
story is, uh, not as shit as you cynics are making it out to be, I think some of the character interaction is well done, although the later part makes no sense but is kind of cool anyway from, like, a thematic or symbolic POV, but is still dragged down by the not making a lick of logical sense bit
visual design is awesome, fuck the haters.  i love elaborate overdesigned art-director-masturbation shit
game system is very cool in core concept, sometime I will write a mini-essay on why the AI system is brilliant and is actually a significant paradigm shift (lulz) for how AI in games is treated.  however, they don't appear to do enough with the game system, certainly not enough to fill 50 hours or whatever.  i'm glad i don't have to waste my time playing this.  and of course them paring everything down to battles and cutscenes doesn't help either.  and the fact that there's no attrition, though they maybe get a point or two for trying something that's in some sense fundamentally different however misguided and wrong-headed, doesn't exactly lead to more possibilities for interesting dynamics

so overall I give it a 6/10.

[Smooth Groove]

recursivelyenumerable

Big props to you for getting the FF13 experience completely free.   

[demi]

Didnt read any of that post. I would rate the game overall a 9/10. I wish it were longer so I didnt have to stop playing. After wading through Western RPG shit from BioWare, third rate RPGs from crap devs like Tri-Ace, the king FINALLY returns to set things right.

[demi]

Chiseling away at Titan Trials right now. I absolutely destroyed every Mark so far. Deceptisols are a godsend. One break and it's over.

[iconoclast]

Yeah deceptisols are basically an instant 5 star for regular fights. I'm convinced it's impossible to 5 star the first battle of the titan trials (against that armadillo type thing) without a preemptive attack. Maybe if you give everyone level 1 weapons and have the auto-haste boots on, but I never tried.

[naff]

Wow, glad I skipped The Last Remnant.  demi has shit taste confirmed.

 

Last Remnant looks wicked hawt. However Demi hates FFXII which I don't understand considering my knowledge of his JRPG taste thus far. It's got loot, hunts, good characters, good voice acting and the best battle system in FF evah gambits .

Maybe it's because it aint got cheevos?

FFXIII looks amazing post cocoon. Sounds pretty condescending and shit for the first 20 or so hours but once you hit Pulse it sounds fucking ace. I'm pretty into cutscene marathons anyway. So long as they're epic as fuck.

[demi]

FF12 sucks because:

- It's boring
- The gambit system is shit
- The License Board is shit
- The characters suck
- The story sucks
- The world sucks
- It sucks
- Unique items that are missable just because you opened a chest

FF13 is a complete SEVEN TWENTY on how good it is.

[naff]

FF12 sucks because:

- It's boring
- The gambit system is shit
- The License Board is shit
- The characters suck
- The story sucks
- The world sucks
- It sucks
- Unique items that are missable just because you opened a chest

FF13 is a complete SEVEN TWENTY on how good it is.

That last point I agree on (as being shit). Otherwise no. But opinions are to be had and such. Why didn't you like gambits? Did you finish all the hunts up to Yiazmat? The satisfaction of setting up an AI routine for my low leveled characters that took out some of the hardest hunts in the game (with some trial and error) was really satisfying the most satisfying thing I've ever done in a JRPG, and involved some pretty complex logic later in the game.

[demi]

What AI routines? Have them all cast the same spells on each other? Zzz.

[naff]

What AI routines? Have them all cast the same spells on each other? Zzz.

More like a series of if statements, but it's still a basic AI routine. Make sure Balthier keeps Basch berserked while Ashe stays back to heal, that's pretty basic yeah, but getting the balance just right like if Balthier dies and Vaan goes out of berserk what should Ashe do, yeah it's simple but these few commands build on more and more, the systems reaction is so much faster than if you chose everything in real time it allowed you to stay alive in places where you otherwise would die without the gambits. Different fights called for different routines, basically I never got bored of the battle system and loved the game because I was able to do everything without feeling the need to ever grind to beat somebody yet there was still plenty of challenge. However if you grinded it out like you normally have to with JRPGs I'm sure it was easy.

[Third]

FFXII trashes FFXIII. It's not even funny how much FFXII is better than FFXIII.

FFXII has better music, better characters, better setting, better art, better voice acting, better enemies, better character design etc etc...

The battle system between the two is too different to be compared. FFXII battles are more dynamic, though. No shitty start-up screen and after battle screen.

FFXIII is a 8/10 game  (when chapter 11 starts it's a 8/10 game. Chapter 1 to 10 are 5/10 to 7/10 tier experiences)

While FFXII is 9/10 and sometimes even 10/10 tier quality.

Yep, FFXII is better. MUCH better than FFXIII. I even start to hate FFXIII when I think about the awesome FFXII.

-edit-

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/finalfantasyxii?q=final%20fantasy%20XII

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/finalfantasy13?q=final%20fantasy%20XIII

Numbers don't lie.

FFXII

  FFXIII 

[demi]

FFXIII looks amazing post cocoon. Sounds pretty condescending and shit for the first 20 or so hours but once you hit Pulse it sounds fucking ace. I'm pretty into cutscene marathons anyway. So long as they're epic as fuck.

Bresha Lake

Gapra Whitewood

Sunleth Waterscape

[maxy]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1569-Final-Fantasy-XIII
 



  Yahtzee

[Himu]

Yahtzee

[Himu]

Btw FF13 isn't an 8/10 game. It's a 6/10 game. Fun in bursts but overall shallow and mediocre. Worth playing? You bet. For 60 dollars though? No way.

[TakingBackSunday]

FFXII is one of the worst "good" games I've ever tried playing.  I've tried 5 times, FIVE TIMES, to get into it, and I never get farther than those fucking mines where those skeleton warriors buttfuck you.  It's an absolutely terrible game.

[tiesto]

I can't believe the almost universal critical praise for FFXII... yet from the fans, the game gets so much hate. Probably the biggest dichotomy between game journalists and fans when it comes to a game. For the record, there are plenty of things XIII does wrong, but I'm having a much better time with it than XII. It's probably the best FF since X.

[TakingBackSunday]

double truth

[Himu]

FFXII is one of the worst "good" games I've ever tried playing.  I've tried 5 times, FIVE TIMES, to get into it, and I never get farther than those fucking mines where those skeleton warriors buttfuck you.  It's an absolutely terrible game.

That dungeon is easy.

Kill the mimes faster.

[Himu]

I can't believe the almost universal critical praise for FFXII... yet from the fans, the game gets so much hate. Probably the biggest dichotomy between game journalists and fans when it comes to a game. For the record, there are plenty of things XIII does wrong, but I'm having a much better time with it than XII. It's probably the best FF since X.

FF12's haters are just more vocal, like with anything.

[TakingBackSunday]

I'm not saying it wasn't easy.  I'm saying it was long, boring, and when I'm playing a game which has one of the worst fucking battle systems imaginable, I don't have much patience.  XII is an awful, awful game.

[Mr. Gundam]

I can't believe the almost universal critical praise for FFXII... yet from the fans, the game gets so much hate. Probably the biggest dichotomy between game journalists and fans when it comes to a game. For the record, there are plenty of things XIII does wrong, but I'm having a much better time with it than XII. It's probably the best FF since X.

I loved Final Fantasy XII, and while I don't have a problem with you guys disliking it, I don't understand all the hate.

[Stoney Mason]

Weirdly enough I'm tempted to try 12 now despite how mixed I was on 13. Sort of to hopefully have a FF experience I enjoy.

[demi]

Borys & Himuro vs. Guys with logic

ITS JUST A FIGHT YOU CANT WIN

[Himu]

I'm not saying it wasn't easy.  I'm saying it was long, boring, and when I'm playing a game which has one of the worst fucking battle systems imaginable, I don't have much patience.  XII is an awful, awful game.

That's the best dungeon in the game. It's a really unique, creative and imaginative dungeon as well.

[Bebpo]

12 is better than 13 by far.

12 falls apart, but the first half is basically the best jrpg ever made.  13 is never anywhere near that level.

[Himu]

The only part of 12 that falls apart is the story and since story doesn't matter, game is consistent throughout. I should know, I beat in 29 hours and the whole game flows together much better than FF13.

Replay FF12 and you will like it more.

[demi]

Borys:

- Plays games in the stone age
- Doesnt know what he's talking about period, why is he in this thread, he hasnt even played the game
- Opinion void

Himuro:

- "Renounced" JRPGs, has a vendetta
- Praises shit developers like BioWare

Third:

- General all-around troll, has roots doing as such
- Throws the metacritic card, yet has also history on saying it doesnt matter anyway




You all. Sounds like you guys are just scared. FF13 is the future. Why bother arguing?

[Himu]

When did I renounce jrpgs? 

[Bebpo]

The only part of 12 that falls apart is the story and since story doesn't matter, game is consistent throughout. I should know, I beat in 29 hours and the whole game flows together much better than FF13.

Replay FF12 and you will like it more.

Nah, the gameplay falls apart too when everybody becomes awesome at everything and there's nothing unique about any of the characters and you just get your good gambits up and then auto-fight through it all.  I think I would like FFXIIi better since the license board hurts the gameplay in the latter half.

Also summons are useless, but FFXIII has the same problem.