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General => Video Game Bored => Topic started by: maxy on January 03, 2011, 06:24:29 AM

Title: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: maxy on January 03, 2011, 06:24:29 AM
from gaf

leaky leaky

(http://i.imgur.com/ndi8X.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/93lYe.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/4MdzQ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/RMW5m.jpg)
more pics
http://imgur.com/a/AV29w/nintendo_3ds_china_leak__dudes_done_for (http://imgur.com/a/AV29w/nintendo_3ds_china_leak__dudes_done_for)

Battery is 1300 mAh,DS Lite has 1000 mAh....hmmm

Forum link

http://forum.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?tid=1901089&extra=page%3D1&page=1 (http://forum.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?tid=1901089&extra=page%3D1&page=1)
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 03, 2011, 08:23:10 AM
:bow Elite Chinese leaker with balls of steel :bow2
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: SantaC on January 03, 2011, 08:58:27 AM
ugly design. I expect a slicker revision 6 months later.

but if it is true that it has 128MB RAM instead of 64MB RAM first reported, then I am pleasantly surprised.

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: demi on January 03, 2011, 09:07:37 AM
Funny how Chinese people own more legit games than most members here...
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: demi on January 03, 2011, 09:42:45 AM
The GAF thread is so funny. The chineese have -no clue- how to operate the machine.

prease unnerstand
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 03, 2011, 09:51:31 AM
Some people on gaf are trying to start a war with that Chinese board...stoopid chinese

Hopefully they hack gaf in retaliation
gafFailOverflow
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 03, 2011, 10:01:36 AM
Some people on gaf are trying to start a war with that Chinese board...stoopid chinese

Hopefully they hack gaf in retaliation
gafFailOverflow

You don't mess with elite Chinese hackers

(http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l458/glvalentine/questionabletaste/hackers/10419.jpg)

Mess with the best
DIE LIKE THE REST

:bow Razor & Blade :bow2


Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 03, 2011, 10:45:53 AM
why do people think 3ds is ugly  ???
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: chronovore on January 03, 2011, 10:49:26 AM
Most likely because the glossy plastics are accentuating a number of small but noticeable curves in what should be flat surfaces. It's almost certain, though, that those are not final plastics in terms of finish.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 03, 2011, 10:55:46 AM
I really like how it glows and stuff.

Man, look at that case. That blue case is so fucking sexy.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 03, 2011, 11:47:39 AM
I hate glossy in general.  I don't like wiping my hand grease off every time. 
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 03, 2011, 12:52:19 PM
Funny how Chinese people own more legit games than most members here...

 :lol
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 03, 2011, 03:01:29 PM
fug ugly, but still shall be awesome
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 03, 2011, 03:06:21 PM
yeah, I was kinda hoping what they showed at E3 wasn't the final product.

the glossy look makes it look cheap, especially compared to the much nicer glossy psps of the matte dsi.  The bottom screen area just kinda sticks out and the start/home/select buttons remind me of the jaguar numberpad when using an insert.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Vizzys on January 03, 2011, 03:06:36 PM
its not DSfat uggo though

will buy if under 300$
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 03, 2011, 03:31:31 PM
It looks exactly like a ds lite with a slightly bigger top screen and an analog pad. I genuinely don't understand why people have a problem with its design. IT LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME.

Bitch about the dpad placement or something substantial
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 03, 2011, 03:34:47 PM
For what it's worth, ds lite isn't glossy on the inside of the clam shell.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: magus on January 03, 2011, 03:39:20 PM
It looks exactly like a ds lite with a slightly bigger top screen and an analog pad. I genuinely don't understand why people have a problem with its design. IT LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME.

Bitch about the dpad placement or something substantial

i can't play layton 5 in 2013 without buying a 3ds

3DS! *shakes fist*

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Diunx on January 03, 2011, 05:33:37 PM
Looks ugly and shitty.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: pilonv1 on January 03, 2011, 06:03:02 PM
edit: nevermind was looking at the XL
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 03, 2011, 06:32:34 PM
Looks like I can play games on it, which is good enough for me because I'm not a fairy-princess ponce like the rest of you Marys.

 :zelda OH FIDDLESTICKS IT DOESN'T MATCH MY EARRINGS :zelda

:lol
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 03, 2011, 06:34:12 PM
doesn't 3ds have a gyroscope?  from what i hear that works well on iphone games, could help somewhat with camera control here
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 03, 2011, 06:38:17 PM
you'd have to hold that stylus all the time, though, which would render all the buttons on the right side of the unit practically useless
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: pilonv1 on January 03, 2011, 06:40:49 PM
The touch screen is probably good enough to substitute for a stick as far as camera control goes. 

stealth Mario 64 DS/thumbstrap troll?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: The Sceneman on January 03, 2011, 06:41:10 PM
It looks exactly like a ds lite with a slightly bigger top screen and an analog pad. I genuinely don't understand why people have a problem with its design. IT LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME.

Bitch about the dpad placement or something substantial

i can't play layton 5 in 2013 without buying a 3ds

3DS! *shakes fist*



oh no you might have to get a new console every 5 years or so. It sucks being 'serious' about gaming huh?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 03, 2011, 06:42:44 PM
Oh, I just use my thumb on the touchscreen.  I've heard about people who always need to use the stylus though.  Kinda weird.   :wtf

i could never get it to register well enough to just use my thumb when i owned a ds

there are thumb styli out there, i just never bothered to buy one
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 03, 2011, 06:45:35 PM
Thankfully my earrings are shiny so I don't really mind 3ds. Tee hee! :zelda
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Shuri on January 03, 2011, 07:21:26 PM
iphone/ipad with 2$ games >>>>>>>>>>>>>> handhelds with 30$ titles
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: demi on January 03, 2011, 07:30:27 PM
Aint that some real talk. Poors leave
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 03, 2011, 07:31:42 PM
i don't think poor belongs in the description of someone who buys apple products
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 03, 2011, 07:31:50 PM
I think touch screen camera control works wonderfully on the iphone, but that is a glass capacitive touch screen compared to the archaic resistive one on the 3DS (iirc).  It's really responsive and natural to swipe around to move the camera as you would with a track ball.

Looks like I can play games on it, which is good enough for me because I'm not a fairy-princess ponce like the rest of you Marys.

 :zelda OH FIDDLESTICKS IT DOESN'T MATCH MY EARRINGS :zelda

Matte just feels better, if that makes sense.  The type of plastic used can make the device/controller more comfortable to hold, like that new Xbox 360 controller that has a butt ugly color scheme but feels nicer to grip.  Same goes for the way the bottom screen is arranged with buttons that are under (what I assume is) a thin sheet of plastic; how it will feel rather than how it looks.  (I'm aware that's it is weird to critical about the plastic used in it, btw.  I just expected something to change since the other weak things about it, such as the low resolution and resistive touch screen, were not likely to.)

It mostly just looks fine and like the ds lite.  There is only one upcoming handheld that can be described as "sexy" and "sexable": the Panasonic Jungle.  Eat your heart out, Gizmondo.

i don't think poor belongs in the description of someone who buys apple products

haha, consider yourself lucky for not meeting people who complain about being dirty poor and jobless while fiddling with their iphone 4.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 03, 2011, 07:34:49 PM
i don't know anyone in real life who owns an apple anything other than myself, tbh
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: magus on January 03, 2011, 07:35:02 PM
It looks exactly like a ds lite with a slightly bigger top screen and an analog pad. I genuinely don't understand why people have a problem with its design. IT LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME.

Bitch about the dpad placement or something substantial

i can't play layton 5 in 2013 without buying a 3ds

3DS! *shakes fist*



oh no you might have to get a new console every 5 years or so. It sucks being 'serious' about gaming huh?

ehy he was the one who asked for substantial bitching :spin
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: GilloD on January 03, 2011, 07:55:41 PM
Wiating for 3DS Lite/Color/Mini/Micro/Nano whatever
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 03, 2011, 08:12:03 PM
i don't think poor belongs in the description of someone who buys apple products

Oh, it definitely does these days.  I remember when I was a kid and I went to my classmates' houses for birthday parties, it was always the welfare cases living in the shittiest apartments with hobo-brand peanut butter who had the nicest TV sets.  That's what Apple products are now.  

the operative word there is probably 'buys'
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 03, 2011, 08:16:30 PM
Wiating for 3DS Lite/Color/Mini/Micro/Nano whatever

Already looks small than the DS Lite
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Damian79 on January 04, 2011, 02:33:26 AM
ugly design. I expect a slicker revision 6 months later.

but if it is true that it has 128MB RAM instead of 64MB RAM first reported, then I am pleasantly surprised.



Uh according to the first pic isnt it 96MB?  That would be 64 + 32?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 04, 2011, 02:44:46 AM
Or 128-32

Single chip vs two chips
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: chronovore on January 04, 2011, 03:00:48 AM
i don't think poor belongs in the description of someone who buys apple products

I dunno, under 200 bucks for the low-end iPod Touch is a great buy considering the hardware. Just don't drop it.

I feel like I could use my DSi as a weapon and it would still play games afterward. The iPod, I'm afraid of dropping it. Onto grass. From a foot up.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Vizzys on January 04, 2011, 03:29:43 AM
you could kill a man with the original gameboy
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Corporal on January 04, 2011, 03:49:50 AM
I bet it's a dev machine, which traditionally come with more RAM. 32 Megs extra for that sound about right.

I will believe the 128MB rumours when I see the chip on the retail mainboard.

Designing the system with only 64MB sounds exactly like something Nintendo would do.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 04, 2011, 03:50:49 AM
No shaky hands or bumpy roads allowed

Quote
Kid Icarus Uprising director Masahiro Sakurai has a suggestion for playing the 3DS: keep the system still!

In a few Tweets earlier this week, Sakurai responded to a follower's questions about the 3DS's 3D effect, and also shed some light onto the effect a shaky hand can have on the system.

3D can make your eyes tired, said Sakurai, but because the effect varies depending on the person, he suggested that players make adjustments using the system's 3D slider adjuster.

He also suggested that players keep the 3DS fixed. The reason for this is that the system's 3D view is achieved through the player's eyes being in a set position, so if the shake that results from control inputs is too harsh, there could be issues.

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/04/sakurai_steady_3ds/ (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/01/04/sakurai_steady_3ds/)
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 04, 2011, 04:16:42 AM
What if you have rock-steady hands like a surgeon on Adderall...but a bobbly head? What then, Evilbore
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 04, 2011, 04:26:03 AM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/LateralCollar.JPG/220px-LateralCollar.JPG)
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: pilonv1 on January 04, 2011, 05:24:20 AM
So a portable device you have to be sitting perfectly still for? Brilliant
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: SantaC on January 04, 2011, 05:25:16 AM
So a portable device you have to be sitting perfectly still for? Brilliant

it's just a recomendation.

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 04, 2011, 05:32:30 AM
What if you have rock-steady hands like a surgeon on Adderall...but a bobbly head? What then, Evilbore

George Clooney can fuck all the models he wants, he'll never get the true 3DS experience like me :smug
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: SantaC on January 04, 2011, 05:43:45 AM
now just give me a 3DS castlevania and it will all be good
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: SantaC on January 04, 2011, 05:58:27 AM
Can't wait till No$GBA 2.9 comes out and has 3DS emulation built-in.

considering the PSP doesnt even have a good emulator yet, I think we have to wait...
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 04, 2011, 06:27:39 AM
Can't wait till No$GBA 2.9 comes out and has 3DS emulation built-in.

I'd have thought you'd have been pretty good at waiting by now, Borys.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: magus on January 04, 2011, 06:54:17 AM
now just give me a 3DS castlevania and it will all be good

yes i can't wait to see 1993 Rondo of Blood sprites in glorious 3D!

:bow 3DS
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: SantaC on January 04, 2011, 07:57:49 AM
now just give me a 3DS castlevania and it will all be good

yes i can't wait to see 1993 Rondo of Blood sprites in glorious 3D!

:bow 3DS


but...but IGA is no more :(



Just keep mercury stream away from my castlevanias
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 04, 2011, 09:57:03 AM
I'll be turning that 3D switch off the minute I get mine and I'll be awfully surprised if it ever goes on again.

depending on how it is, I might do the same for a lot of games.  I like the 3D effect but it will have no impact on the actual games.  It's a shame that they can't design mechanics around the use of depth and things like that.  It's just a nice visual gimmick, and don't get me wrong, it's nice, but that's pretty much it.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: MCD on January 04, 2011, 10:00:40 AM
I'll be turning that 3D switch off the minute I get mine and I'll be awfully surprised if it ever goes on again.

depending on how it is, I might do the same for a lot of games.  I like the 3D effect but it will have no impact on the actual games.  It's a shame that they can't design mechanics around the use of depth and things like that.  It's just a nice visual gimmick, and don't get me wrong, it's nice, but that's pretty much it.

How come?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 04, 2011, 10:01:12 AM
Maybe he thinks 2D to 3D seamless transition,games will have to be fully playable in both modes,that will kinda limit 3D stuff
Maybe someone releases something designed for 3D only,black screen if you move slider to 2D


I wonder if power consumption is (significantly)higher with 3D on

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 04, 2011, 10:21:56 AM
^yeah.  Because you can turn 3D off completely, it means it won't be more than a visual gimmick.  They can't alienate everyone who doesn't want to, or just can't, use the 3D effect.  It's going to be like what you can do on the PC, PS3, 360 (for Black Ops, Avatar, and I think Batman AA), Boogie on Wii, Rad Racer/3D World Runner NES, etc.  Again, I'm not trying to say it isn't going to nice as a visual effect, just that it won't be anything more.  Any type of game on the 3DS you can play on other systems; it's not like suddenly there will be a game that requires you to thread a needle by comparing their distance in 3D space.  wait, don't steal that idea while I go ring up Majesco.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: MCD on January 04, 2011, 10:23:34 AM
I just want my visual novels (like Phoenix Wright) in full 3D.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 04, 2011, 09:24:20 PM
What you guys are not taking into account is that 3D, done right, is way more than a gimmick. Once you've seen a game running in 3D, you won't want to go back. It's not about crazy depth-of-field OMG FINGER IN MY EYE! type effects; it's about a richer, more convincing picture. Saying you would turn it off is like saying you would always choose the Dolby stereo track on a DVD even when you own a nice receiver and a 5.1 speaker system. Maybe once in a while, if the game in question is REALLY poorly optimized for 3D (and knowing Ninty's quality control over 3rd parties, there will be a few of those for sure).
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 04, 2011, 09:42:07 PM
I have seen a game running in 3D and I have made the comparison of a surround sound before (in that it enhances the experience, rather than is essential to the enjoyment).  But you have to understand that the 3DS solution isn't at the point yet where you sacrifice nothing for the benefits of 3D.  People have complained before about the limited angle in which the 3D effect works, and now you have Sakurai talking about how shaking it around is problematic.  It's just that sometimes I want to lie down on my comfy couch and not worry about holding it a certain way; in those times, I'd rather just turn it off and enjoy the game.  It's not really Nintendo's fault because I can't think of another consumer device that uses this glasses-less 3D method and it is forward thinking in a way.  I'm actually hoping it catches on so there could be even more interest in 3D tech, because I do like the idea of it; the current solutions aren't perfected yet, be it the viewing angle or wearing glasses.   But I'm mostly just blowing hot air and am speculating about this stuff.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 04, 2011, 10:21:59 PM
i think the screen is too small for it to be anything more than a novelty in most games

"haha, the 1/2 inch man is coming out of the screen, look at that"
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: pilonv1 on January 04, 2011, 10:48:18 PM
I like that developers (not even limiting that Japanese developers) aren't even doing impressive or innovative things with current tech and we're expecting them to do something special with 3D.

WOW ITS ZELDA IN 3D ITS A WHOLE NEW BALL GAME :dur
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: tiesto on January 05, 2011, 12:56:09 AM
iphone/ipad with 2$ games >>>>>>>>>>>>>> handhelds with 30$ titles

You get what you pay for.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Damian79 on January 05, 2011, 03:00:58 AM
What you guys are not taking into account is that 3D, done right, is way more than a gimmick. Once you've seen a game running in 3D, you won't want to go back. It's not about crazy depth-of-field OMG FINGER IN MY EYE! type effects; it's about a richer, more convincing picture. Saying you would turn it off is like saying you would always choose the Dolby stereo track on a DVD even when you own a nice receiver and a 5.1 speaker system. Maybe once in a while, if the game in question is REALLY poorly optimized for 3D (and knowing Ninty's quality control over 3rd parties, there will be a few of those for sure).

I choose the 2D version of movies in the theatre as well.  I don't care for it.  It's fake as shit.  If they ever get to a point where the 3D is working properly, I might jump in, but right now it's a half-baked effect.  Especially if it messes up when the system moves.  I'm pretty sure I can't pwetty-pwease ask the train driver to drive more smoothly so I can see my Dragon Quest better.

From what i saw from the reviews of the 3ds on the show floor some time back, they say it is a much better 3d effect than what else is there.  Also i play my handheld games at home so i shouldnt have your problem.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 05, 2011, 09:13:13 AM
i think the screen is too small for it to be anything more than a novelty in most games

"haha, the 1/2 inch man is coming out of the screen, look at that"

From what I understand, the 3ds doesn't pop out at you like convential cinema 3d portrayals.  It's more like you are looking into a window and can see 3d stuff in a room.   
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 05, 2011, 09:23:13 AM
well, that type of 3D makes more sense for the size

i think 3D is pretty neat, but the "window box" effect is a little distracting even on my 20" PC monitor

like anything else on their systems, nintendo themselves will probably make the best use of the feature
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: WrikaWrek on January 05, 2011, 09:46:23 AM
I'm much more excited for the PSP2  :-\
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 05, 2011, 02:50:23 PM
The initial reports make it sound like psp2 is going to be the new ps3 caliber flop.   Apparently amazing specs,  but overheated easily and guzzles battery life like a cum starved whore.  I don't see it succeeding going up against ios and the 3ds.  Arguably the only thing holding up the psp right now is Monster Hunter, one game in one territory.  If 3ds can poach that franchise they are pretty much finished bar some other phenomenal game being released.

I think the only threat to the 3ds is the shift in perceived value Apple has facilitated with the app store.  Nintendo better hope the 3d gimmick is a large enough factor to entice people into buying a dedicated game player.  It would also help if they wouldn't be so cheap and allowed for mp3 playback and whatnot.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 05, 2011, 03:17:11 PM
I think that 3DS will be true jrpg weeaboo machine something like PS1+PS2.Machine seems to be fairly capable,decent storage medium.I wouldn't be surprised if FF15 turns to be 3DS game.
Of course nothing is set in stone(this gen proved that),Nintendo can still fuck things up

PSP2,not enough data,probably delayed now(failOverflow),price is also a big question
Starting position is not good,will have Marcus advertising campain
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: SantaC on January 05, 2011, 04:22:50 PM
I think that 3DS will be true jrpg weeaboo machine something like PS1+PS2.Machine seems to be fairly capable,decent storage medium.I wouldn't be surprised if FF15 turns to be 3DS game.
Of course nothing is set in stone(this gen proved that),Nintendo can still fuck things up

PSP2,not enough data,probably delayed now(failOverflow),price is also a big question
Starting position is not good,will have Marcus advertising campain


When was the last time a Nintendo console got a maingame FF? Yeah it was 18 years ago, probably not gonna happen until sony folds.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 05, 2011, 04:50:13 PM
Things change,$$$ talks
I don't think that Sony can say anything about that(except kneel down and beg)
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 05, 2011, 05:01:46 PM
when was the last and only time microsoft got a main final fantasy game? wait, that was last year.  things change, hombre.

and the things emcee says about the why the psp2 will flop are why I don't want Sony to ever go away.  They're business is so impractical and baffling yet it appeals to me in a "PUMP THIS SMALL DEVICE WITH TECHNOLOGY" way.  They stay the course even though Kutaragi isn't crazying it up anymore, or maybe he spiked the water before he left.  I'm stoked to hear that it overheats and has battery problems.  Ideally it wouldn't, but it still makes me think the value POWER ARUGGGGHHHH over common sense.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: magus on January 05, 2011, 06:04:19 PM
DQ9 hits the DS after the DS got a huge install base... the 3DS has nothing,why bringing a heavy hitter like final fantasy to the 3DS now would be logic? it seems to me that everybody wants everything on the 3DS and i'm not sure why....

capcom developer says they are thinking of moving monster hunter to another console?
OMG MONSTER HUNTER 3DS COMING IT WILL MAKE HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY!!!1!

beside knowing square-enix at best they will just port that new final fantasy cellphone game and be done with it,wouldn't be out of reach of what everyone else is doing



Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 05, 2011, 06:06:53 PM
I got to jump the line at E3 to play the 3DS (thanks go out to you-know-who-you-are). It looks like you're looking into a little 2.5" or whatever-sized 3D window with QVGA resolution. It's effective, but dude, it's a handheld. Low viewing angle is pretty obvious.

Just sayin, don't get all excited. It's just a lenticular display. It's like looking at one of your grandma's 3D pictures of Jesus except it's backlit and moves
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: magus on January 05, 2011, 06:17:01 PM
so it's kinda like this gif?

http://blogs.sun.com/MartinHardee/resource/3D-cinnamon.gif
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 05, 2011, 06:46:53 PM
have you guys seen what devs are doing with iphone/ipod/ipad to tv connections?  i guarantee you jobs has at the very least considered the idea of expanding on that with the next iterations of idevices.  a bump in specs, officially branded apple bluetooth game controllers, coupled with the vga/component out cables, and there's your apple home game console in 720p HD.

http://www.slidetoplay.com/story/dead-space-hands-on-preview

this game is likely going to be $9.99, same game on 3DS would run you anywhere between $30-40.  3DS and PSP are likely to be the last dedicated portable gaming systems, they just can't compete with the saturation of phones/tablets or the price of games on the app stores.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: pilonv1 on January 05, 2011, 06:58:27 PM
Quote
coupled with the vga/component out cables,

Some sort of HDMI adapter would make the most sense. I wonder though if they want to take the play functionality away from the device though, that seems very un-apple to me. I can using the phone/touch as the controller on large screen more than having branded controllers.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Damian79 on January 05, 2011, 07:19:00 PM
have you guys seen what devs are doing with iphone/ipod/ipad to tv connections?  i guarantee you jobs has at the very least considered the idea of expanding on that with the next iterations of idevices.  a bump in specs, officially branded apple bluetooth game controllers, coupled with the vga/component out cables, and there's your apple home game console in 720p HD.

http://www.slidetoplay.com/story/dead-space-hands-on-preview

this game is likely going to be $9.99, same game on 3DS would run you anywhere between $30-40.  3DS and PSP are likely to be the last dedicated portable gaming systems, they just can't compete with the saturation of phones/tablets or the price of games on the app stores.

I had a look at the youtube vid of it:
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VygJ80-qlVA[/youtube]


Nah i will sitck with teh 3ds for games, hate pure touch screen controls.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: magus on January 05, 2011, 07:35:48 PM
well ps3 is going to get that final fantasy spinoff (fabula nova?) so there's that

on the other side there is kingdom hearts 3DS but all the screenshot released show old zone with old models used so yea......
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 05, 2011, 07:50:34 PM
Final Fantasy 15 on the 3ds is a very real possibility.  Especially after the success of dq9.  It'll probably depend on how well revelations performs compared to re5 as well, considering that is the next mainline resident evil game.

Of course, complete handheld dominance in japan will be to my disdain, as I tend to like japanese games more but have no use for handheld gaming.  My selfish desire is the Wii2 can rectify whatever mistakes killed the momentum Wii had in japan with more aggressive pursuit of third party support.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 05, 2011, 07:52:24 PM
have you guys seen what devs are doing with iphone/ipod/ipad to tv connections?  i guarantee you jobs has at the very least considered the idea of expanding on that with the next iterations of idevices.  a bump in specs, officially branded apple bluetooth game controllers, coupled with the vga/component out cables, and there's your apple home game console in 720p HD.

http://www.slidetoplay.com/story/dead-space-hands-on-preview

this game is likely going to be $9.99, same game on 3DS would run you anywhere between $30-40.  3DS and PSP are likely to be the last dedicated portable gaming systems, they just can't compete with the saturation of phones/tablets or the price of games on the app stores.

What I don't get is why Nintendo and Sony won't follow this same model of selling cheaper games.  They don't have to sell them at 5 to 10 bucks like IOS games but the gap needs to be smaller for gaming handhelds to not become irrelevant.  Sony and Nintendo could probably continue to provide better looking & playing games but the amount of people who care about the quality differences is rapidly decreasing.  Most people just look at handheld gaming as casual gaming, or at least a lesser version of the experience on a console, which is why the PSP was such a huge failure.  Who wants to pay $30 to $40 for a lite edition of a major title when you can just get the console version for a little more?  
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 05, 2011, 07:57:44 PM
I think you guys are forgetting both sony and nintendo have download stores.  They just need to let the public at large know that too.  The apple model isn't particularly perfect, so there's room for the other to improve upon.   As a matter of fact during a recent presentation Iwata showed off the new shop interface, which is basically the Wii Shop Channel and the Nintendo Channel blended together.  This is a good thing, although I'm still curious as to whether they are going to push demos hard and how they are going to market this outside of a banner in the startup screen.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 05, 2011, 07:58:51 PM
sony and nintendo's download stores suck

even when psp gets an app store game portover they usually price it $2-3 more
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 05, 2011, 08:01:37 PM
I'll pay 2 to 3 dollars more for good controls :teehee
We've had this line of discussion before btw.   Nintendo is changing theirs for the better, dunno about pricing.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 05, 2011, 08:10:04 PM
Believe it when i see it!  I am foreseeing a lot of 3D clocks and calendars, myself.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 05, 2011, 08:30:31 PM
Oh boy I hope they port the aquarium DSIware game
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: pilonv1 on January 05, 2011, 08:34:21 PM
The Sony & Nintendo stores are like if someone started competition to steam and offered the same games at twice the price.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: magus on January 05, 2011, 08:39:24 PM
you know there is a thing i don't understand.... how the heck do you make a 2D sprite 3D? would it look like a cardboard cutout or what?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 05, 2011, 08:56:04 PM
I would draw a mask on top of each sprite assigning each pixel a relative Z value. That's the only way I can think of doing it. If you have a bunch of billboards floating in space at different depths it's going to look pretty goofy. Will be interested how people do the 3D treatment to totally 2D games.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 05, 2011, 09:30:45 PM
since someone brought up iphone/pad controls, I saw this thing earlier:
http://toucharcade.com/2011/01/04/fling-game-controller-for-ipad/
(http://i.imgur.com/i7A78.jpg)

It's an analog nub/slider that suctions onto your ipad.  It mostly just adds a border and some resistance, but it's pretty neat.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 05, 2011, 09:34:57 PM
I got to jump the line at E3 to play the 3DS (thanks go out to you-know-who-you-are). It looks like you're looking into a little 2.5" or whatever-sized 3D window with QVGA resolution. It's effective, but dude, it's a handheld. Low viewing angle is pretty obvious.

Just sayin, don't get all excited. It's just a lenticular display. It's like looking at one of your grandma's 3D pictures of Jesus except it's backlit and moves

yeah, good point. I'm extrapolating from my experience with a high-end PC rig, of course.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 05, 2011, 09:51:44 PM
I got to jump the line at E3 to play the 3DS (thanks go out to you-know-who-you-are). It looks like you're looking into a little 2.5" or whatever-sized 3D window with QVGA resolution. It's effective, but dude, it's a handheld. Low viewing angle is pretty obvious.

Just sayin, don't get all excited. It's just a lenticular display. It's like looking at one of your grandma's 3D pictures of Jesus except it's backlit and moves

yeah, good point. I'm extrapolating from my experience with a high-end PC rig, of course.

of course :tophat
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: SantaC on January 06, 2011, 06:56:14 AM
I got to jump the line at E3 to play the 3DS (thanks go out to you-know-who-you-are). It looks like you're looking into a little 2.5" or whatever-sized 3D window with QVGA resolution. It's effective, but dude, it's a handheld. Low viewing angle is pretty obvious.

Just sayin, don't get all excited. It's just a lenticular display. It's like looking at one of your grandma's 3D pictures of Jesus except it's backlit and moves

isnt the 3DS screen bigger than the dslite?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: chronovore on January 06, 2011, 11:04:47 AM
I got to jump the line at E3 to play the 3DS (thanks go out to you-know-who-you-are). It looks like you're looking into a little 2.5" or whatever-sized 3D window with QVGA resolution. It's effective, but dude, it's a handheld. Low viewing angle is pretty obvious.

Just sayin, don't get all excited. It's just a lenticular display. It's like looking at one of your grandma's 3D pictures of Jesus except it's backlit and moves

yeah, good point. I'm extrapolating from my experience with a high-end PC rig, of course.

Yes, and it's a different technology. You're not running a lenticular monitor at home, you're using glasses, right?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 06, 2011, 11:31:49 AM
I got to jump the line at E3 to play the 3DS (thanks go out to you-know-who-you-are). It looks like you're looking into a little 2.5" or whatever-sized 3D window with QVGA resolution. It's effective, but dude, it's a handheld. Low viewing angle is pretty obvious.

Just sayin, don't get all excited. It's just a lenticular display. It's like looking at one of your grandma's 3D pictures of Jesus except it's backlit and moves

isnt the 3DS screen bigger than the dslite?

Nope. The resolution is slightly higher but it's not a giant monster like the DSi screen.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: SantaC on January 06, 2011, 11:38:55 AM
I got to jump the line at E3 to play the 3DS (thanks go out to you-know-who-you-are). It looks like you're looking into a little 2.5" or whatever-sized 3D window with QVGA resolution. It's effective, but dude, it's a handheld. Low viewing angle is pretty obvious.

Just sayin, don't get all excited. It's just a lenticular display. It's like looking at one of your grandma's 3D pictures of Jesus except it's backlit and moves

isnt the 3DS screen bigger than the dslite?

Nope. The resolution is slightly higher but it's not a giant monster like the DSi screen.

3DSi incoming
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 07, 2011, 09:02:04 PM
there is some japanese thing going on now

Blazbluz something something 2 is on it

(http://i.imgur.com/TaQOK.jpg)

and tales of abyss

(http://i.imgur.com/ksSCn.jpg)

AND GUNDAM (that looks like the PS1 Z Gundam and Char Counterattack games)

(http://i.imgur.com/zF0pv.jpg)



and people are saying the battery life is 3 to 5 hours on gaf but I don't know if it's real.

nvm, here: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/hardware/spec/index.html

5 to 8 for regular DS games, 3 to 5 for 3DS games.  3.5 hours to charge the thing up.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 07, 2011, 09:15:04 PM
"I wouldn't want to strain my eyes for that long anyway." :smug
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: pilonv1 on January 07, 2011, 09:17:49 PM
PSP wins again
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 07, 2011, 09:59:36 PM
Tsc tsc
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 07, 2011, 10:16:36 PM
Hmm.  $250-300 handheld with hot graphics, a single analog stick, and 3-5 hours of battery life.  This is all... very familiar, somehow.

Sounds like the sequel to the best system this gen.

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 07, 2011, 10:25:49 PM
lmao the gaf thread is fucking hilarious. what a bunch of pussies.

"I'm skipping my first nintendo handheld, how is that possible?" Really? Over battery?

5 hours is pretty damn long, assuming this is attributed to brightness.

And honestly, when I take my portable out I never play it for more than 4 hours. I rarely ever run out of batteries with my psp on a full charge and I run emulators.

3-5 sounds better than my ipod touch which seems to go out with merely two-three hours of game playing. What a bunch of dorks.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 07, 2011, 10:29:56 PM
Yeah but can you swap out the battery? You can have some backup batteries for the PSP on your flight if need be. The DS battery is nonswappable and you're SOL if you want to charge it on the plane (unless you have a Powermonkey or something)
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 07, 2011, 10:33:17 PM
I've never been on a flight that lasts more than 3-4 hours, personally. In which case, if I did, I wouldn't spend the entire time playing games.

But you're right, that's a flaw. But I don't own back up batteries for my psp either.

I think the better question is HOW you can charge it. Can you charge it to any usb? That would be for the best. Can you even PLAY the thing when it's charging due to the cradle?

Both questions are far more relevant than the battery life, which just can't be stone because the thing's not out yet and no one knows what settings these numbers were retrieved from. Maybe it was with 3d on. Maybe it was with the highest brightness setting. People should chill the fuck out.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 07, 2011, 10:35:40 PM
Probably not.  Even back with the GBA SP Nintendo never let you swap out batteries like that.

Don't expect the PSP2 to have a swappable battery either.  The PSP Go has an internal battery, whether it is part of the design or a reaction to the pandora battery thing, I dunno.

Hmm.  $250-300 handheld with hot graphics, a single analog stick, and 3-5 hours of battery life.  This is all... very familiar, somehow.

Sounds like the sequel to the best system this gen.

Sequels are supposed to be bigger and more bad ass.  The real PSP successor will have a 2 hour battery life and overheat :rock
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 07, 2011, 10:41:04 PM
psp2 will melt your fingers AND your eyes. :rock
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 07, 2011, 10:41:04 PM
This whole thing screams 'wait for 3DS Lite' to me
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 07, 2011, 10:54:34 PM
haha a camera option in Zelda OoT 3DS is 1:1 camera control.  You turn around in real life to look behind Link in the game, aim at an enemy as if they were really there relative to your position, etc.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 07, 2011, 10:54:47 PM
Yeah, 3ds is going against everything I ever liked about Nintendo, namely, practicality and a non emphasis on superficial factors.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 07, 2011, 10:56:09 PM
haha a camera option in Zelda OoT 3DS is 1:1 camera control.  You turn around in real life to look behind you in the game, aim at an enemy as if they were really there relative to your position, etc.

what? That's fucking stupid. Where is this?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 07, 2011, 10:57:03 PM
haha a camera option in Zelda OoT 3DS is 1:1 camera control.  You turn around in real life to look behind you in the game, aim at an enemy as if they were really there relative to your position, etc.

what? That's fucking stupid. Where is this?

http://www.andriasang.com/content/features/nintendo_world_2011/feed_e.xml

the event video thing is: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nintendo-world-2011

nothing seems to be happening.  I checked it earlier and it's just japanese people going OOOO SUGOIII a lot


edit:  maybe people who buy DS games in Japan can explain it's relevance, but the game prices are 4,800 to 6,090 yen (highest seems to be Ridge Racer...namco lol)
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 07, 2011, 11:06:50 PM
yeah, 5 hours if you turn off the 3D, turn the brightness on the top screen down to 10%, dim the bottom screen all the way, and only play sudoku

who didn't expect this thing to have shit battery life?  ipad had to have a battery that spans the entire size of the device to get 5 (games) to 10 (web browsing, reading) hours
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 07, 2011, 11:12:01 PM
to be fair, though, i have never spent more than a couple of hours fucking around with any handheld in one sitting unless i was reading - and if you're sitting on the couch for longer than that just plug the fucking thing into an outlet already, you're obviously not on the move
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 07, 2011, 11:20:24 PM
Battery life to me is the peace of mind that I can forget to plug something in or whatnot and I'm not going to be too harshly penalised for it.  Up until my ipod died I was getting rather annoyed finding it lost its charge even during periods of inactivity, and trying to play games on the thing decimated the battery every time.  Just an annoyance having to manage such a thing in any handheld device.  Thats why the rinky dink geriatric gameboys still have my respect.  Spinach green screens are fine when I can play pokemon for 30 hours with 4 AAs.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 07, 2011, 11:29:58 PM
to get the battery life people want out of these devices while still achieving the performance people also want, they would have to have batteries the size and weight of a paving block

it's always going to be one or the other, you're never gonna get both

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Purple Filth on January 07, 2011, 11:31:01 PM
3-5 hours battery life?  Ouch

PSP2 should be a 5 minute flat then  :lol


Seriously i don't mind it really since i game on a PSP which is said to have shit battery life but thats a downgrade from what you expect from Nintendo.

The Nfans on GAF going crazy is great  :lol



And honestly, when I take my portable out I never play it for more than 4 hours. I rarely ever run out of batteries with my psp on a full charge and I run emulators.



Emulators wont really kill your PSP battery though since the biggest culprit is normally the UMD drive.

That's why a lot of people treat PSP CFW as the holy grail.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: pilonv1 on January 07, 2011, 11:37:32 PM
haha a camera option in Zelda OoT 3DS is 1:1 camera control.  You turn around in real life to look behind Link in the game, aim at an enemy as if they were really there relative to your position, etc.

I thought you had to keep it still?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 07, 2011, 11:38:03 PM
to get the battery life people want out of these devices while still achieving the performance people also want, they would have to have batteries the size and weight of a paving block

it's always going to be one or the other, you're never gonna get both



I would've been fine with much more modest graphics to be honest.  Hell, the demographics that made Nintendo such a success don't either.  I have a feeling that Nintendo went with all these design decisions to appease third party concerns, which concerns me because the vast majority of them have made it clear they don't know how to run a business anymore.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 07, 2011, 11:38:57 PM
you just have to keep it level with your eyeline, you can still do that with gyroscopic controls
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 07, 2011, 11:40:07 PM
Battery life is the most overrated aspect of a handheld ever.  Nfags who care are:

a) asspies who have the fucking nerditude to pull something that dumb out in public to experience 3D gaming around other people

b) Friendless mouthbreathers who sit upside down stylusin' pikachu's fupa.  All fucking day long.

Plug it in, for god sakes.  And if you play it in public, dear lord, turn the 3D off.  And the brightness down, so at the very least people around you can't tell you're playing some loli touching game
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 07, 2011, 11:41:20 PM
haha a camera option in Zelda OoT 3DS is 1:1 camera control.  You turn around in real life to look behind Link in the game, aim at an enemy as if they were really there relative to your position, etc.

I thought you had to keep it still?


Were you under the impression that moving the system somehow miscalibrates the 3d effect?  Its simply a matter or maintaining an optimal viewing angle.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 07, 2011, 11:44:01 PM
well, to be fair again, they do expect you to move around a lot with this thing or they wouldn't have included a gyroscope, so tethering it to a wall outlet might not be the optimal solution after all
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 07, 2011, 11:44:53 PM
Battery life is the most overrated aspect of a handheld ever.  Nfags who care are:

a) asspies who have the fucking nerditude to pull something that dumb out in public to experience 3D gaming around other people

b) Friendless mouthbreathers who sit upside down stylusin' pikachu's fupa.  All fucking day long.

Plug it in, for god sakes.  And if you play it in public, dear lord, turn the 3D off.  And the brightness down, so at the very least people around you can't tell you're playing some loli touching game

So you claim to be an nfag but are apparently ashamed of your hobby.  And a and b seem kind of redundant.  Oh wait, its brandnew, blindly defending the hive once again.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 07, 2011, 11:47:08 PM
honestly?  I don't game anymore.  I plan on getting this because I like to get in a few minutes of DS or PSP before I go to bed, but all the gaming I do anymore is iPhone gaming or XBLA shit.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 07, 2011, 11:53:00 PM
Revoking nfag status.   You are no longer permitted to participate in Zelda discussions, that includes new games, talks of canon/timeline/etc., and having the wrong opinion on Phantom Hourglass. 

And who wants to bet Brandnew got a girlfriend?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 07, 2011, 11:55:17 PM
Zelda is the only game series I care about other than Mario anymore, and Phantom Hourglass undeniably sucks.  So much.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Purple Filth on January 07, 2011, 11:58:25 PM
They are now saying it could be with all the bells and whistles on.

well see if true.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 08, 2011, 12:00:59 AM
Zelda is the only game series I care about other than Mario anymore, and Phantom Hourglass undeniably sucks.  So much.

I'm sorry I can't read this it's in violation of the nintard quality assurance standards.  You have been tainted.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 08, 2011, 12:05:33 AM
They are now saying it could be with all the bells and whistles on.

well see if true.

told ya.

people am wah wahs
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 08, 2011, 12:07:40 AM
to get the battery life people want out of these devices while still achieving the performance people also want, they would have to have batteries the size and weight of a paving block

it's always going to be one or the other, you're never gonna get both



There are certainly reasonably-sized batteries out there with capacities greater than 1300mah. Newer smartphones are in the 1800mah range and the 3DS is pretty beefy already.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 08, 2011, 12:15:49 AM
Battery life is the most overrated aspect of a handheld ever.  Nfags who care are:

a) asspies who have the fucking nerditude to pull something that dumb out in public to experience 3D gaming around other people

b) Friendless mouthbreathers who sit upside down stylusin' pikachu's fupa.  All fucking day long.

Plug it in, for god sakes.  And if you play it in public, dear lord, turn the 3D off.  And the brightness down, so at the very least people around you can't tell you're playing some loli touching game

or kids who play at school.  I like to assume that most people that post on gaf are young because their posts would be really creepy otherwise...haha

Last time I regularly played a portable game thing in public was Pokemon in primary school, I think.

I don't mind the battery thing since handheld gaming has been 'lounge around/lazy gaming' since the GBA, but it's fun to have a laugh about this stuff.  No point in getting all worked up defending it just to win an argument about the battery life on a video game system. 
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 08, 2011, 12:23:05 AM
no, it's perfectly understandable, you want to diddle around with your manchild toys in public for 14-15 hours at a time, much more respectable than never taking it out of a cave-like lair
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 08, 2011, 12:26:28 AM
iPad gaming.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 08, 2011, 12:32:25 AM
just saying having your face shoved in a screen while scratching away at pokemons for hours is around the same level of societal interaction as never leaving the house

plus, i'd imagine there'll be third parties making battery pack cases out the ass for this thing
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 08, 2011, 12:33:25 AM
don't sell yourself short, you're at least douchey enough for an android device
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 08, 2011, 12:38:43 AM
the only acceptable way to play games is public is on a phone...because it looks like you're texting someone :-[

Ipad is definitely luxury for the home (I want one eventually) but that's not far removed from brining a dedicated gaming thing.  It's too much planning to be entertained when out.   I can understand if it's on a flight or something; day to day a phone is ideal because it's always with you...unless you're the type of person who just refuses to own a cellphone.

Speaking of which, I was planning on getting an iPhone 4 soon and now there are rumors of the iPhone 5 or second revision of iPhone 4.  Fuck this shit.  This is why I've been playing Bookworm and Tetris on my old ass bar phone for half a decade.

don't sell yourself short, you're at least douchey enough for an android device

I'm hoping.  We'll see if I pass the test in May.   :fbm

is that when the psp phone comes out?  :teehee


oh, and a DoA 3ds trailer.  I don't know what the deal is with this game, whether it's a port or the first new DoA by the new Team Ninja, I mean.
[youtube=560,345]80u2vbr5rGU[/youtube]
if it's the latter, I'm interested to see how it'd turn out.  I sort of enjoy the DoA games on the same level as the Tekken games, and I bought Tekken PSP because it was a solid portable fighter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhWWnrGSnUs <- blurry kid icarus video
[youtube=560,345]X_yW4bLZiNs[/youtube]
^
blurry Resident Evil Mercenaries video.  Interesting because aiming is first person now and you can move, aim, and shoot at the same time.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 08, 2011, 12:40:02 AM
hahaha

there will be external battery packs for this thing, although i'd imagine they'll make it look like an orthopedic shoe
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 08, 2011, 12:46:05 AM
any FPS games announced for this thing yet, btw?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 08, 2011, 12:48:13 AM
holy fuck that re mercs vid looks straight out of RE5

majini have the same animations and everything
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 08, 2011, 12:53:07 AM
i don't have much interest in buying one, but i do have a portable fps fetish (i know, i know), and i have to say that a "Medal of Honor Classics 3D" portover/remake of the early games would get me to start throwing some change in a jar
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 08, 2011, 12:54:50 AM
any FPS games announced for this thing yet, btw?

Nothing yet, but I'm sure it's just a matter of time.  Activision at least can probably be counted on for an attempt.

n-space made most of the fps games for activision and wasn't there some trouble not too long ago with them?

and gameloft will probably bring their fps games to the 3DS.  I mean, NOVA (the halo one) is on the PSP.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Purple Filth on January 08, 2011, 01:19:58 AM
Nintendo world stream going on now

Showing Kid Icarus

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nintendo-world-2011
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 08, 2011, 02:36:14 AM
3-5 hours?
Nintendo is cheap
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: iconoclast on January 08, 2011, 02:46:55 AM
BlazBlue Continuum Shift 2 is just the same game we have on consoles with the 3 DLC characters and the balance update patch that's coming out. And speaking of BB, Valkenhayn was delayed on the 360 for months, and now that he's finally out, all of the achievements that come with him are glitched and unobtainable. The PS3 version is perfectly fine though.

Good job ArcSys.

And in typical Hayashi fashion, DOA 3DS just looks like a mish-mash of older, better Itagaki games with extra crap thrown in. Snooze.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: pilonv1 on January 08, 2011, 03:33:23 AM
So is DOA relevant again? Someone keep me up to date.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 08, 2011, 04:53:47 AM
Quote
It's an odd system.

Nintendo have had it rather good in the handheld market, since the GBA they have been releasing systems using old (and very cheap) hardware at cutting edge prices and getting away with it. With the 3DS they've had to make quite a jump because for the 3D effect to work, you don't just need the fancy screens but also the grunt to pull the effect off.

With say an xbox game, if your game slows down and starts dropping frames it's not the end of the world - most titles now attempt 30 fps but often drop well below it, which is the cost of trying to make a sequel look nicer when you've pretty much already maxed out the hardware. With the 3DS, if your game starts to drop frames you have a problem, because Nintendo are seriously worried about causing headaches and related health problems. So while it has a lot of grunt, you can't really tap into it that effectively until they stop worrying about the consequences (personally it doesn't seem to affect me at all).

I'm most excited about the software side of things, the ability to passively communicate with nearby systems for example could be huge if done well, going for a walk and coming back and finding out you've imported other peoples characters to battle against etc.

Battery life is really poor on the dev systems, they come with a dock so you are pretty much always charging it when not in use, and then you get about 3 hours tops. Hopefully final systems have larger capacity batteries.

The PSP2 is more exciting in terms of pure hardware.

dev post
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: pilonv1 on January 08, 2011, 05:05:53 AM
Quote
The PSP2 is more exciting in terms of pure hardware.

Not particularly shocking
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 08, 2011, 05:11:52 AM
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/experience/nw2011/mov/stage0108_4.html (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/experience/nw2011/mov/stage0108_4.html)

Kid Icarus footage 18 min in
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: iconoclast on January 08, 2011, 05:41:22 AM
Well I hope the PSP2 has a touch screen or motion sensor or something unique for it to be "more exciting in terms of pure hardware."
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: The Sceneman on January 08, 2011, 06:10:02 AM
whats all this shit about playing handheld games in public being some sort of giant fucking taboo? I game on public transport all the time. nothing wrong with it. I'm a gamer and proud of it
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Corporal on January 08, 2011, 06:53:51 AM
I whip out my raw, naked DS and play with it on the train, in the bus, in the presence of children and elderly alike.

I never realized that this apparently makes me a rebel. Awesome.

Maybe it's a German thing (with us EU types always going for that eco hippie shit and stuff), but I see people diddling their Handhelds/Smartphones/Laptops on public transportation all the time. It's not like they suffer some sort of stigma for it.

Public transportation is fucking boring, what else besides gaming, listening to music and reading a book/paper can you do? It's not like you're driving the damn thing, you just sit or stand there inside your tiny imaginary cubicle and stare into space. Or into the faces of your fellow burnt-out work drones and/or underage chickenshits. Which ain't no cake walk either.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: iconoclast on January 08, 2011, 07:19:47 AM
I bring my DS or PSP with me whenever I go out too. I was even playing my DS when I had jury duty earlier this year. Complete with my full set of pirated games.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: SantaC on January 08, 2011, 08:07:37 AM
Battery life is the most overrated aspect of a handheld ever.  Nfags who care are:

a) asspies who have the fucking nerditude to pull something that dumb out in public to experience 3D gaming around other people

b) Friendless mouthbreathers who sit upside down stylusin' pikachu's fupa.  All fucking day long.

Plug it in, for god sakes.  And if you play it in public, dear lord, turn the 3D off.  And the brightness down, so at the very least people around you can't tell you're playing some loli touching game

This. Well said BN.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 08, 2011, 08:12:49 AM
you guys probably all still look young

i am old with graying hair, and if i pull out a handheld and turn it on and "ITSA ME MARIO HAHA" comes blaring out of the speaker people start grabbing up their children and moving them several seats away
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 08, 2011, 08:40:42 AM
i don't think it matters when you are 41
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 08, 2011, 08:45:38 AM
whats all this shit about playing handheld games in public being some sort of giant fucking taboo? I game on public transport all the time. nothing wrong with it. I'm a gamer and proud of it

Remember most of us are Americans who value our shitty cars and sense of entitlement who wouldn't be caught dead riding transit.

And since I use PT I take my handhelds out and play them all the time. The way I see it, I'd rather read, listen to music or play a game or sleep than tear my hair out driving to some location. Driving is fucking BORING. But I am a rare breed.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 08, 2011, 08:49:52 AM
probably not going to matter at all here in another 10-20 years when these devices become so ubiquitous that even most olds have them and the really-really old generation has died off

there are people living in my neighborhood who reached adulthood when television was still a novelty, so anything electronic which makes noises and flashes is regarded as a child's toy (even phones)
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 08, 2011, 08:52:35 AM
whats all this shit about playing handheld games in public being some sort of giant fucking taboo? I game on public transport all the time. nothing wrong with it. I'm a gamer and proud of it

Remember most of us are Americans who value our shitty cars and sense of entitlement who wouldn't be caught dead riding transit.


or live in areas/have a job which requires owning a vehicle
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Purple Filth on January 08, 2011, 09:36:20 AM
Quote
It's an odd system.

Nintendo have had it rather good in the handheld market, since the GBA they have been releasing systems using old (and very cheap) hardware at cutting edge prices and getting away with it. With the 3DS they've had to make quite a jump because for the 3D effect to work, you don't just need the fancy screens but also the grunt to pull the effect off.

With say an xbox game, if your game slows down and starts dropping frames it's not the end of the world - most titles now attempt 30 fps but often drop well below it, which is the cost of trying to make a sequel look nicer when you've pretty much already maxed out the hardware. With the 3DS, if your game starts to drop frames you have a problem, because Nintendo are seriously worried about causing headaches and related health problems. So while it has a lot of grunt, you can't really tap into it that effectively until they stop worrying about the consequences (personally it doesn't seem to affect me at all).

I'm most excited about the software side of things, the ability to passively communicate with nearby systems for example could be huge if done well, going for a walk and coming back and finding out you've imported other peoples characters to battle against etc.

Battery life is really poor on the dev systems, they come with a dock so you are pretty much always charging it when not in use, and then you get about 3 hours tops. Hopefully final systems have larger capacity batteries.

The PSP2 is more exciting in terms of pure hardware.

dev post

link for this and someone post this in the GAF thread for some lolz  :lol
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 08, 2011, 09:58:29 AM
Quote
It's an odd system.

Nintendo have had it rather good in the handheld market, since the GBA they have been releasing systems using old (and very cheap) hardware at cutting edge prices and getting away with it. With the 3DS they've had to make quite a jump because for the 3D effect to work, you don't just need the fancy screens but also the grunt to pull the effect off.

With say an xbox game, if your game slows down and starts dropping frames it's not the end of the world - most titles now attempt 30 fps but often drop well below it, which is the cost of trying to make a sequel look nicer when you've pretty much already maxed out the hardware. With the 3DS, if your game starts to drop frames you have a problem, because Nintendo are seriously worried about causing headaches and related health problems. So while it has a lot of grunt, you can't really tap into it that effectively until they stop worrying about the consequences (personally it doesn't seem to affect me at all).

I'm most excited about the software side of things, the ability to passively communicate with nearby systems for example could be huge if done well, going for a walk and coming back and finding out you've imported other peoples characters to battle against etc.

Battery life is really poor on the dev systems, they come with a dock so you are pretty much always charging it when not in use, and then you get about 3 hours tops. Hopefully final systems have larger capacity batteries.

The PSP2 is more exciting in terms of pure hardware.

dev post

link for this and someone post this in the GAF thread for some lolz  :lol

I don't see the problem here.  3d has been known to give many people nausea and headaches, I get a slight twinge of nausea when I'm playing an fps and the framerate keeps fluctuating. Its a valid concern.  I just don't understand how the developer can be excited for the psp2 horsepower when they just decried how the 3ds has a bad battery life. 
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 08, 2011, 10:42:48 AM
Quote

dev post

link for this and someone post this in the GAF thread for some lolz  :lol

Nah,i don't want to drag anyone through a mob of angry nfans,he might get scared and not post anymore.

Quote
I don't see the problem here.  3d has been known to give many people nausea and headaches, I get a slight twinge of nausea when I'm playing an fps and the framerate keeps fluctuating. Its a valid concern.  I just don't understand how the developer can be excited for the psp2 horsepower when they just decried how the 3ds has a bad battery life. 

Maybe it makes his life easier and people like working with new advanced hardware.3DS has bad battery life because Nintendo is cheap and super greedy.They could put far better battery but then 3DS wouldn't print millions on day one.Of course now they can sell larger batteries an make millions.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 08, 2011, 11:00:43 AM
Man I hope you're just as critical of the next psp when it has worse battery life and it just as expensive. Oh wait, you're the microsoft schill concern trolling again, so of course you will be.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 08, 2011, 11:10:50 AM
(http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/112/1124739/3ds-graphics-old-vs-new--20100930095634052.jpg)


The framerate better be perfect. Its weird that Nintendo can squeeze every clockcycle out of the wii but is having trouble matching third parties on their premiere hardware.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 08, 2011, 11:12:40 AM
Man I hope you're just as critical of the next psp when it has worse battery life and it just as expensive. Oh wait, you're the microsoft schill concern trolling again, so of course you will be.

yeah blame ms

I expect similar battery life for PSP2 and about the same price.At least it will have a reason to be like that.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 08, 2011, 11:17:54 AM
No one is blaming ms, I'm blaming the xbot concern troll.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Purple Filth on January 08, 2011, 11:35:36 AM
No one is blaming ms, I'm blaming the xbot concern troll.

he's been doing it for a while.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 08, 2011, 11:37:52 AM
No one is blaming ms, I'm blaming the xbot concern troll.

spin spin spin

3DS is no threat to xbots,same goes with PSP
love my PSP,Sony did a great job with PSP(hardware wise),expect the same with PSP2
Nintendo and their outdated shit :yuck

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Purple Filth on January 08, 2011, 11:43:40 AM
No one is blaming ms, I'm blaming the xbot concern troll.

spin spin spin

3DS is no threat to xbots,same goes with PSP
love my PSP,Sony did a great job with PSP(hardware wise),expect the same with PSP2
Nintendo and their outdated shit :yuck



Being fair it seems the system is kinda decent but its Nintendo enforcing limits.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 08, 2011, 12:04:21 PM
I agree in principle,but decent by Nintendo standards.Jump from DS is huge,from PSP not much(if any).

It doesn't tell much about games of course,but it should be easy to understand why some people are excited about PSP2.
Not to mention that PSP2 has a huge room for improvement on the software side.
and dual analogs :D


Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: magus on January 08, 2011, 12:19:56 PM
yea i can't wait for PSP2 so they can have patapon 4,loco roco 3,another god of war portable and probably a port of disgaea 3 just to spite on me >:(

spoiler (click to show/hide)
damn i feel cranky today!
[close]

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 08, 2011, 12:35:15 PM
The reason I said iPad (or tablet gaming) or iPhone/Android gaming is because those devices contain the sorts of the games that made handheld gaming such a success when it initially hit the market – short, satisfying little distractions that can be played for 10 seconds or ten minutes.  There are hardcore games available with these devices, but they're so few and far between and hard to control that most of the time, it's not worth it.  The devices from Nintendo and Sony are increasingly so much like their TV tethered counterparts that it's just...it's almost not worth pulling out in public, it takes away from the experience.  Especially with the 3DS if the 3D is vital to the game.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 08, 2011, 12:47:13 PM
I just hope that Sony has learned something from PSP.Don't port down console games...spin-off,side story + unique content is the way to go
They said once that unique content and spin-offs are selling better than console ports...there is hope
Hopefully Sony is courting western hardcore devs,Rockstar,Bioware,Bethesda,etc...get some unique content or more likely side story from their popular franchises,just tie it into main games(money,experience,etc,etc)

I would be all over that

Some COD spinoff could sell decently assuming it has good controls and multiplayer



 
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Damian79 on January 08, 2011, 03:04:29 PM
Turning the cameras off may net you more game time.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/4fucfs.png)

Pic stolen from opa ages which is probably stolen from GAF.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Damian79 on January 08, 2011, 03:17:40 PM
(http://i55.tinypic.com/hs3mlx.jpg)

The difference that wifi and cameras can make.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 08, 2011, 03:20:22 PM
Zelda looks like a typical VC ripoff with Nintendo not doing much other than to make it run. 
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 08, 2011, 03:26:18 PM
Yeah,Zelda 3DS is a showcase of Nintendo strategy,"use as less money as possible and charge as much as possible"

It has nothing to do with 3DS capabilities.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 08, 2011, 03:31:18 PM
will still buy, though

and also, they said they would alter some dungeons and do some other new things as well.  I'm thinking mainly water temple stuff
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 08, 2011, 04:27:02 PM
OoT 3ds looks fantastic for REAL Zelda fans.

:bow
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2011, 05:51:05 PM
Nice seeing this hilarious role reversal on battery life between Ntards and Stards
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 08, 2011, 06:26:26 PM
OoT 3ds looks fantastic for REAL Zelda fans.

:bow

The director of Skyward Sword also directed Phantom Hourglass.  I win.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 08, 2011, 06:29:28 PM
OoT 3ds looks fantastic for REAL Zelda fans.

:bow

The director of Skyward Sword also directed Phantom Hourglass.  I win.

lalalaaaaaaaaa

can't read what yer sayingggggggggg
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Damian79 on January 08, 2011, 06:39:44 PM
Nice seeing this hilarious role reversal on battery life between Ntards and Stards

No, the batterly life is fine unless you like playing iwth a flast light in your eye.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Damian79 on January 08, 2011, 07:26:04 PM
I see.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 08, 2011, 09:33:42 PM
Apparently Dead or Alive is 30fps in 3D, 60fps in 2D.  If this is becomes a trend, that slider will be off most of the time.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: pilonv1 on January 08, 2011, 09:50:15 PM
Apparently Dead or Alive is 30fps in 3D, 60fps in 2D.  If this is becomes a trend, that slider will be off most of the time.

Not surprising after seeing some of the cuts to PS3 3D titles.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 08, 2011, 10:31:51 PM
Apparently Dead or Alive is 30fps in 3D, 60fps in 2D.  If this is becomes a trend, that slider will be off most of the time.

This makes zero sense. It's rendering the same number of pixels. Team Ninja am fail
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 08, 2011, 10:53:01 PM
Apparently Dead or Alive is 30fps in 3D, 60fps in 2D.  If this is becomes a trend, that slider will be off most of the time.

This makes zero sense. It's rendering the same number of pixels. Team Ninja am fail

What are you talking about. PS3 titles suffer similar frame rate drops when 3d is enabled.  Its been known for awhile that the 3ds has options for developers to make thier games perform better in 2d mode.


ANYWAY

Kid Icarus looks like total uninspired third person shooter crap. Talk about missing the point of the character.

The more I hear about this thing the more I'm getting apathetic about it.  The only two good looking games are Resident Evil Mercenaries and Pilotwings Resort, and I'd rather play those with a wiimote.  Its a pricey batteryhog that seems to trend towards more tired trite gaming fare, which is kind of a bummer coming off the unique ds catalogue.  Touch games that benefit from having the touch input on top of the game are going to go by the wayside since the focus of the system and its software will be its 3d capability.  You can see what I mean by the way they had to make you interact with a silhouette in the new Nintendo Dogs.

People say limits are bad, but I think the exclusion of analog control and the mediocre processing abilities of the og DS forced a lot of developers to make unique experiences that would work well with the system that couldn't be achieved anywhere else.  I don't see a canvas curse type experience emerging on this system.  Watch them announce Wii 2 with paid online and a standard game pad just to fuck with my selfish wants further.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Damian79 on January 08, 2011, 10:59:25 PM
Did you even see the presentation, sakurai even played the original game.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: iconoclast on January 08, 2011, 11:03:54 PM
Touch games that benefit from having the touch input on top of the game are going to go by the wayside since the focus of the system and its software will be its 3d capability. 

:-\ There's a good chance of this happening actually.

And that sucks, since the touchscreen games are what made the DS a great system.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 08, 2011, 11:07:22 PM
Touch games that benefit from having the touch input on top of the game are going to go by the wayside since the focus of the system and its software will be its 3d capability. 

:-\ There's a good chance of this happening actually.

And that sucks, since the touchscreen games are what made the DS a great system.

The solution in games like Nintendo Dogs is relative pointing.  Basically, if you point to the bottom right corner of the touch screen, a cursor appears in the bottom right corner of the top screen (ignoring the additional screen space allowed by the wide screen; so, 80/160 pixels)

Apparently Dead or Alive is 30fps in 3D, 60fps in 2D.  If this is becomes a trend, that slider will be off most of the time.

This makes zero sense. It's rendering the same number of pixels. Team Ninja am fail

What are you talking about. PS3 titles suffer similar frame rate drops when 3d is enabled.  Its been known for awhile that the 3ds has options for developers to make thier games perform better in 2d mode.


People were under the impression that if the switch was on or off, the game would be 800x240.  Where it is 400 pixels for each eye in 3D mode, turning it off would have all 800 for both eyes.  It wouldn't have an impact on performance if that was the case.

It is a different method than the PS3 which uses shutter glasses and requires a 120hz monitor (so 60/60 with shutters separating them)
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: iconoclast on January 08, 2011, 11:13:16 PM
Yeah, but what about games like Ouendan and Trauma Center? Games that used the touch screen extensively were the best on the DS because they offered something you couldn't get on other platforms. The last thing I want is another PSP where we have nothing but dumbed-down console games.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 08, 2011, 11:13:44 PM
You gotta explain this to me. 3DS is throwing out 800x240 pixels. In 3D mode it's drawing two 400x240 viewports that are offset by the lenticular display. In 2D mode it's drawing one 800x240 viewport. It's not like the PS3 where they are drawing frames at 1/60 for each eye to sustain 3D at 30fps.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 08, 2011, 11:17:35 PM
Yeah, but what about games like Ouendan and Trauma Center? Games that used the touch screen extensively were the best on the DS because they offered something you couldn't get on other platforms. The last thing I want is another PSP where we have nothing but dumbed-down console games.

then they just have the game play on the bottom screen lol

It's not that big of a deal unless they force all games to be played on the top screen and they won't.  That SMT game (Devil Survivors?) has the action on the bottom screen while the menus are on the top screen in 3D.

Ignoring the top screen completely, touch only games still benefit from better hardware and a whopping resolution increase of 256x192 to 320x240.

You gotta explain this to me. 3DS is throwing out 800x240 pixels. In 3D mode it's drawing two 400x240 viewports that are offset by the lenticular display. In 2D mode it's drawing one 800x240 viewport. It's not like the PS3 where they are drawing frames at 1/60 for each eye to sustain 3D at 30fps.

this is going to sound stupid because I'm not exactly read up on this stuff, but:  maybe the switch is linked to the game software and when it's off, it runs at 400x240 combined.  Since it is two parts, they have it 200x240 + 200x240 blended together
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: iconoclast on January 08, 2011, 11:32:31 PM
Devil Survivor is just a quick cash in though. I dunno, I think with 3D being the main gimmick of the system developers are going to want the player to focus on the top screen most of the time while the touchscreen would mainly be used as a mousepad or something.

And even with Devil Survivor, people are already laughing at the fact that the gameplay won't even be in 3D.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 08, 2011, 11:37:06 PM
you could say the same about all the ways they forced touch screen use on the DS initially (remember the ice picking crap from Dawn of Sorrow?) and eventually the need to have a gimmick went away.

Sorry if I seem like I'm defending the 3ds because I really don't meant to be.  I still think this could end up like the PS3 if they're not careful; all these 'exclusives' we see now go over the superior PSP2 (xbox360) and so on.  anyway...

NOW CHECK OUT THESE AMAZING GAMES YOU CAN BUY FOR YOUR NINTENDO PRODUCT:
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Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: iconoclast on January 08, 2011, 11:47:22 PM
Oh shit, is that a new dinosaur fighting game? About time we got a successor to Primal Rage :bow
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 09, 2011, 02:12:24 AM
You gotta explain this to me. 3DS is throwing out 800x240 pixels. In 3D mode it's drawing two 400x240 viewports that are offset by the lenticular display. In 2D mode it's drawing one 800x240 viewport. It's not like the PS3 where they are drawing frames at 1/60 for each eye to sustain 3D at 30fps.

It could be that 2D mode internal rendering res is 400x240.I remember Capcom saying that 2D mode frees a lot of resources,more effects in 2D mode.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 09, 2011, 02:42:14 AM
It is possible that they're just doing pixel doubling in 2D mode to save GPU clocks/battery. Also, native 800x240 might look weird -- non-square pixels!
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: pilonv1 on January 09, 2011, 03:42:49 AM
Oh shit, is that a new dinosaur fighting game? About time we got a successor to Primal Rage :bow

Combat of Giants range on DS has a Dinosaur version.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 09, 2011, 04:53:44 AM
about battery
Kotaku posted this

Quote
As part of its big Nintendo World event being held in Tokyo at the moment, Nintendo has released a chart outlining the final hardware specifications for the 3DS. Most importantly, that includes details on the handheld's battery life.

It takes 3.5 hours for a 3DS battery to fully charge, which is pretty good. As for how fast that battery drains, Nintendo has only provided a select number of figures, all based on the presumption you're using the handheld on a lower screen brightness level.

With the screen's backlighting turned down (but not off), you'll get 3-5 hours of battery life while playing a 3DS game.
That number extends to 5-8 hours if you're playing an older DS game on the handheld.
If true then really lolz



I like how rabid Nintendo fans are up in arms about battery,bu bu bu PSP,iphone,etc...what an irony,for years they ridiculed PSP battery life-time and now :rofl
What goes around,it comes around

This is like discovering that 3DS has about the same failure rate as 360...bu bu bu 360 had that,no big deal
Now where is that famous Gahdiggy or whatever basement Nintendo shrine picture when you need it


Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: pilonv1 on January 09, 2011, 05:08:26 AM
I thought 3.5 was the max on full brightness. If it's on low brightness that's another story.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 09, 2011, 05:24:08 AM
No biggie,just play in the dark. :P
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: pilonv1 on January 09, 2011, 05:26:20 AM
It is Kotaku so who knows
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: The Sceneman on January 09, 2011, 05:28:50 AM
Kotaku will post random forum conjecture as news, so we'll see about the battery when the thing comes out
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 09, 2011, 05:46:52 AM
I agree,it's not like there is a shortage of guinea pigs.

I'm skeptical because battery is only 1300mAh,PSP 3000 has 1200mAh stock battery,i bet that 3DS needs much more power than PSP(two screens,3D,lots of hungry transistors)
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: magus on January 09, 2011, 06:07:08 AM
i still think it's a pretty lame lineup

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 09, 2011, 07:08:32 AM
Kotaku's making shit up.  There is literally no way they are the only media source on the planet that Nintendo has made privy to further details on the battery.  Pretty embarrassing that you'd give their word any credit at all, to be honest, maxy.

Quote
I'm skeptical because battery is only 1300mAh,PSP 3000 has 1200mAh stock battery,i bet that 3DS needs much more power than PSP(two screens,3D,lots of hungry transistors)
As soon as i saw that number...uhh
This is my standing point,not Kotaku or anyone else.
It makes sense for PR to boost numbers,but we shall see

In short history will judge me,if i'm wrong I will gladly admit it



Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 09, 2011, 07:31:17 AM
20 minutes would be too radical,more like 2-3 hours...it smells to me that it will have worse battery life than PSP(or same at best),in general.How much worse,we shall see.

Max brightness+hardware intensive game+3D will show that easily. 
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 09, 2011, 07:48:41 AM
Screens are not the same,(3DS and DS),so it is kinda hard to compare.Personally i think that is the biggest area to reduce power consumption.
Not every transistor is always at use,but screen is always 100% in use(while playing).

Have to add this

As for 20min,think of it like this
Device A
max,min brightness 10,15 hours...50% gain
Device B(same as A but smaller battery)
max,min 3,4.5 hours...50% gain
To go to from 20 min to 3 hours is like 900% gain

The point is that max brightness won't have huge impact(measured by time) if min brightness time is low,because device will need the same amount of energy regardless of battery capacity.

/damn batteries
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: originalz on January 09, 2011, 09:27:41 AM
edit:  maybe people who buy DS games in Japan can explain it's relevance, but the game prices are 4,800 to 6,090 yen (highest seems to be Ridge Racer...namco lol)

Seems to be about the same as current DS/PSP software prices.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 09, 2011, 09:47:57 AM
Resident Evil presentation, The Mercenaries 3D trailer

http://www.nintendoeverything.com/58597/ (http://www.nintendoeverything.com/58597/)

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 09, 2011, 09:53:24 AM
looks like they've retained their excellent reputation for aiming controls
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 09, 2011, 10:24:14 AM
Mercenaries presentation is better, i don't like this 3rd to 1st person switch though.

And they seem to target legs mostly,too much violence for public or what?
I've watched Kid Icarus demo yesterday,on foot third person controls seem fine(with little auto aim).Could make a decent first,third person shooter.
Only one thing could be problematic...shooting,throwing grenades and moving at the same time
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: demi on January 09, 2011, 10:48:41 AM
I didnt see that video, but RE Dead Aim on PS2 had third person->first person aiming
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 09, 2011, 11:04:06 AM
Mercenaries 3DS seems to have the option to change between third and first person.  Krauser is using his bow third person in the second video and the trailers show Hunk doing the same.  The videos still seem a bit weird coming off of RE4/RE5 mercenaries, but it's early so it could be fixed.

and first person aiming isn't the only thing Revelations has in common with Dead Aim.  Both games are set on a boat.

looks like they've retained their excellent reputation for aiming controls

Well now you can move and shoot, just not move and aim.  Hold R and use analog slider to aim; Hold R+L and use slider to move and strafe.  But you lose the ability to strafe and turn when walking around from RE5.  It's a 'one step forward, stumbling to the side' approach.

Kotaku's making shit up.  There is literally no way they are the only media source on the planet that Nintendo has made privy to further details on the battery.  Pretty embarrassing that you'd give their word any credit at all, to be honest, maxy.

yeah, the only numbers available are:

3 to 5 hours for battery life
3.5 hours to full charge

anything that mentions brightness setting, wifi, 3d slider, volume, or whatever (either saying it's better or worse) is speculation.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2011, 11:15:12 AM
Oh my GOD that RE demo
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2011, 11:39:13 AM

(http://i51.tinypic.com/200ptv5.png)
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(http://i56.tinypic.com/2ng642w.png)
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Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: archie4208 on January 09, 2011, 11:40:04 AM
Does OOT 3DS have any new content, or is it another Nintendo rehash but in THREE DEE?  :dur
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2011, 11:43:27 AM
Apparently it does, but we don't know what yet. There will be changes to dungeons too.

It also apparently has a 60 fps frame rate and added animations.

Looks boss.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 09, 2011, 12:55:22 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AW2DruO8nE[/youtube]

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 09, 2011, 01:06:24 PM
I admit that I'm getting kind of pumped for the 3DS.

Too bad I know Nintendo will just drop it like a hot potato, software wise, once they release the Wiii, as per the usual.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 09, 2011, 01:28:10 PM
The N64 ports look like garbage.  Aside from the 3D and analog control, even the DS could offer that kinda experience.  Only way I'm buying them is if they're $10 each. 
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2011, 01:30:36 PM
Those graphics are hardly the same.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2011, 01:33:56 PM
I bet if they upgraded the graphics in Deus Ex a bit, so it doesn't look like fecal matter thrown on a computer monitor, you'd lose your shit, Borys.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2011, 01:39:49 PM
And those tweaks make a world of difference!

(http://i56.tinypic.com/2ng642w.png)

Now all they have to do is fix the water. :yuck
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2011, 01:42:28 PM

I think handhelds have are done if youre over 18 mostly, and I dont see either the 3DS or the PSP2 make a huge dent in the the 18+ demographic.

Sure they will sell millions to little kids etc... but rest of the world?

hahaha
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2011, 01:43:11 PM
Not really those left n64 shots must have been taken at night or something, because when you start off its definately hazy too.

Also water on the 3DS isnt even tranparent :/

Kokiri Forest never turns to night.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2011, 01:48:04 PM

I think handhelds have are done if youre over 18 mostly, and I dont see either the 3DS or the PSP2 make a huge dent in the the 18+ demographic.

Sure they will sell millions to little kids etc... but rest of the world?

hahaha

Why would most adults need a handheld next to their smartphone?

I mean, most adults still like handhelds period. How do you explain the popularity of ipod/ipad/iphone gaming? I see people playing games on the iphones all the fucking time.

To say people over 18 wouldn't have interest is crazy to me, considering that handhelds are getting more and more popular, especially with adults.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 09, 2011, 02:15:17 PM
Quote
How do you explain the popularity of ipod/ipad/iphone gaming?

Like this
Lots of my friends that have never ever played games(PC,consoles) are playing games on their phones,purely anecdotal of course.

I like handhelds but i agree with him in numbers,little babies have pushed DS to PS2+ sales.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Diunx on January 09, 2011, 02:18:09 PM
Nice to see more people sharing my feelings towars the oot port :smug too bad ntards are gonna eat that shit up and ask for more of course it shouldn't surprise me since paying nintendo to rape you in the ass is like a hobby for their fans.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: magus on January 09, 2011, 02:26:32 PM
at least an earthbound port will never happen :teehee
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: SantaC on January 09, 2011, 03:19:18 PM
Nice to see more people sharing my feelings towars the oot port :smug too bad ntards are gonna eat that shit up and ask for more of course it shouldn't surprise me since paying nintendo to rape you in the ass is like a hobby for their fans.

unless OoT has extra areas /dungeons I dont see any point buying it. There are only so many times I can play the same game over and over again.

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 09, 2011, 03:20:46 PM
Handhelds are popular with adults in countries/regions where mass transit is widely used.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: SantaC on January 09, 2011, 03:22:41 PM
btw they should had ported Zelda WW and include those extra dungeons that were cut from the GC game.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 09, 2011, 04:15:55 PM
Wow N64 games with N64 level geometry but now with no troublesome 4 kilobyte texture cache limit

Only $300? Sign me up

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:yuck
[close]
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: The Sceneman on January 09, 2011, 04:27:14 PM
I have to hand it to Nintendo though, they know how to milk their cash cows. Why make new games when they know their fanbase is 100% man breasted manchildren who live on nothing but nostalgia and Burger King.

Seriously the amount of Zeruda fans who will suck that shit up their butt, it sickens me
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: SantaC on January 09, 2011, 04:30:22 PM
I have to hand it to Nintendo though, they know how to milk their cash cows.

Seriously the amount of Zeruda fans who will suck that shit up their butt, it sickens me

are no extra content confirmed?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: The Sceneman on January 09, 2011, 04:32:18 PM
I doubt it? There will be some half assed touch screen shit.

All the "New Play" (or whatever that range was called) games for Wii (Pikmin, DK Jungle Beat et al) were just ports with waggle tacked on.

I cant see how this will be any different. If morans want to blow their cash on this stuff thats their problem. I'll stick to new games thanks
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: SantaC on January 09, 2011, 04:53:23 PM
I doubt it? There will be some half assed touch screen shit.

All the "New Play" (or whatever that range was called) games for Wii (Pikmin, DK Jungle Beat et al) were just ports with waggle tacked on.

I cant see how this will be any different. If morans want to blow their cash on this stuff thats their problem. I'll stick to new games thanks

it is really sad how handheld zelda has gone down the drain. Either we get ports or just a bunch of crap.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: The Sceneman on January 09, 2011, 05:00:21 PM
It's just disappointing that Nintendo makes like 1 new game every two years. They can make great games (SMG2 is amazing), but their business model revolves around rehashing old crap, because its more profitable.

We all know that cash is king, I guess. As I said before, Nintendo fantards are the problem, becuase they keep gobbling this shit up. If people stopped buying this crap, Nintendo might have to consider stepping their game up, which would be great for them. They are a stagnant dinosaur company currently
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: SantaC on January 09, 2011, 05:05:49 PM
It's just disappointing that Nintendo makes like 1 new game every two years. They can make great games (SMG2 is amazing), but their business model revolves around rehashing old crap, because its more profitable.

We all know that cash is king, I guess. As I said before, Nintendo fantards are the problem, becuase they keep gobbling this shit up. If people stopped buying this crap, Nintendo might have to consider stepping their game up, which would be great for them. They are a stagnant dinosaur company currently

Agreed, however SquareEnix is the same or even worse with their milking.

edit: and kid icarus 3ds looks like utter crap.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: The Sceneman on January 09, 2011, 05:09:07 PM
perhaps, but what does that have to do with this discussion? Square are a whole different kettle of fish

edit: Kid Icarus is such an enigmatic IP. There has been ONE SHIT GAME TWENTY YEARS AGO, yet Ninfans have been clamouring for a sequel on the internet for years. I guess it's that whole hivemind thing
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: iconoclast on January 09, 2011, 05:10:21 PM
It's just disappointing that Nintendo makes like 1 new game every two years.

Shit, I WISH Nintendo made one new game every two years. Then maybe I'd start caring about them again.

Mario Zelda Smash Bros. Metroid Mario Mario Metroid Mario Zelda Donkey Kong Mario Kirby Mario + 30 Pokemon games zzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: SantaC on January 09, 2011, 05:11:29 PM
It's just disappointing that Nintendo makes like 1 new game every two years.

Shit, I WISH Nintendo made one new game every two years. Then maybe I'd start caring about them again.

Mario Zelda Smash Bros. Metroid Mario Mario Metroid Mario Zelda Donkey Kong Mario Kirby zzzzzzzzzzzz


at this point i would trade a new mario and zelda for a fucking localization of Xenoblade and Last Story. I cant believe that Wii has a FF12-like epic rpg that we might never be able to play.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: The Sceneman on January 09, 2011, 05:13:32 PM
 :lol good call.

When was the last time they actually created a new IP? (Wii Sports/Fit etc. dont count)

Pikmin? Pikmin was awesome. But it came out in 2001. It's not that hard to come up with a new character/world. Everyone else is fucking doing it
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: The Sceneman on January 09, 2011, 05:14:00 PM
It's just disappointing that Nintendo makes like 1 new game every two years.

Shit, I WISH Nintendo made one new game every two years. Then maybe I'd start caring about them again.

Mario Zelda Smash Bros. Metroid Mario Mario Metroid Mario Zelda Donkey Kong Mario Kirby zzzzzzzzzzzz


at this point i would trade a new mario and zelda for a fucking localization of Xenoblade and Last Story. I cant believe that Wii has a FF12-like epic rpg that we might never be able to play.

localised Xenoblade is coming out this year no?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: SantaC on January 09, 2011, 05:15:31 PM
It's just disappointing that Nintendo makes like 1 new game every two years.

Shit, I WISH Nintendo made one new game every two years. Then maybe I'd start caring about them again.

Mario Zelda Smash Bros. Metroid Mario Mario Metroid Mario Zelda Donkey Kong Mario Kirby zzzzzzzzzzzz


at this point i would trade a new mario and zelda for a fucking localization of Xenoblade and Last Story. I cant believe that Wii has a FF12-like epic rpg that we might never be able to play.

localised Xenoblade is coming out this year no?

no it is just TBA which means squat. There is a good chance we wont see it I guess...
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: iconoclast on January 09, 2011, 05:33:02 PM
To be fair, Monolith did Soma Bringer, Disaster, and Xenoblade, so Nintendo does own a developer who likes to make new games. NoA/E just can't be bothered to throw us a bone once in a while.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 09, 2011, 06:16:04 PM
It kind of shocks me how my portable gaming has shifted to 95% iDevices :(

There are just so many more weird quirky pick-up-and-play games that are doing interesting things on them. Maybe it's the same on DS but I'm not seeing 'em and the market doesn't seem to care if they do exist
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: magus on January 09, 2011, 06:43:23 PM
It's just disappointing that Nintendo makes like 1 new game every two years.

Shit, I WISH Nintendo made one new game every two years. Then maybe I'd start caring about them again.

Mario Zelda Smash Bros. Metroid Mario Mario Metroid Mario Zelda Donkey Kong Mario Kirby Mario + 30 Pokemon games zzzzzzzzzzzz

you know the thing that makes me mad is when the developer goes like "we were making a new game but then nintendo gave us one of their brand and we used that instead lol! :)"

see,kirby or kid icarus

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2011, 07:03:40 PM
I have to hand it to Nintendo though, they know how to milk their cash cows. Why make new games when they know their fanbase is 100% man breasted manchildren who live on nothing but nostalgia and Burger King.

Seriously the amount of Zeruda fans who will suck that shit up their butt, it sickens me

I bet people who talk like this are the first people who flip out when a new edition of Blade Runner or Apocalypse Now is released on dvd/blu ray/et al.

In which case, they should shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: The Sceneman on January 09, 2011, 07:05:02 PM
thats comparing apples and oranges bro
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: demi on January 09, 2011, 07:06:45 PM
Jesus christ, you guys are worse than GAF.   ::)

i blame himuro... giving us this diarrhea now that hes shut off.

btw. will ban him for $25. i want to order some pizza tonite.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2011, 07:07:57 PM
No. It really isn't.

Like books, music or films, games being re-released is a good thing. Why? I'll tell you. Unlike a book, which can be read anywhere, or a film, which can be watched on any player that supports the format -- ditto to music -- the only way for gaming history to retained, modified, updated, refreshed, and kept relevant is to keep releasing the content. There's a whole slew of games lost in time because they haven't been re-released and the only way to play them again is splurging on ebay or pirating. In fact, piracy has kept gaming afloat more so than the companies. Who cares if a company releases an old game? It's only ever offensive if it's like the recent lazy Super Mario Bros. All Stars wii port, and Zelda: OoT 3d is hardly on par with that abomination.

This is the first stand alone release of Ocarina of Time since the original release in 1998.

In which case, shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: magus on January 09, 2011, 07:22:47 PM
personaly i agree with sceneman,chance are that if you cared about playing ocarina of time you already have done so,this isn't some obscure limited release JRPG a-la persona 2
and if you haven't it cost 10 bucks on virtual console on the nintendo wii you probably own... and that's without counting that it came as a freebie with wind waker,why would you be excited to pay 50 bucks to play it on an handheld that will be 250 dollars when you can play the game right now for 10 bucks?

and this is without considering that a blu-ray release of blade runner doesn't force ridley scott and harrison ford to retake all the scene's but redoing zelda does take resource from nintendo,they could use those resource to make a new game but it's nintendo,the word "new" makes their head implodes,that's why they slapped it to a poor tought poutpourri of mario games
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2011, 07:28:14 PM
We were just discussing how popular ds is with kiddies, yet I bet most of those kiddies haven't played Ocarina. Ocarina is a true gamnig classic, and those kids deserve to play it in the best form possible. Re-releasing games isn't just for fans of the games, it's also for new audiences.

Plus, this will also lead to Nintendo releasing a Majora's Mask or Wind Waker for 3ds, which would make me cum.

I still bet the people who -- and annoyingly so -- complain about game re-releases don't complain about a new Blade Runner release or something. It's the same idea.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 09, 2011, 07:31:22 PM
I doubt it? There will be some half assed touch screen shit.

All the "New Play" (or whatever that range was called) games for Wii (Pikmin, DK Jungle Beat et al) were just ports with waggle tacked on.

I cant see how this will be any different. If morans want to blow their cash on this stuff thats their problem. I'll stick to new games thanks

This shows that you never played any of the new play control games.  Many games had added wide screen.  Donkey Kong Jungle Beat had brand new levels in addition to altered level layouts and some adjustments of the base mechanics.  The pikmin port had a save log that allowed you to scroll back to any previous day and start your game from there, which was a boon for perfectionists. 
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 09, 2011, 07:37:11 PM
Jesus christ I just read everything below that post.  Oscar is right, you guys are fucking terrible.  And the revisionist history on display is appalling.  I could go ahead and post all the new IP that nintendo has gone through the trouble of publishing, but no oh no it won't count because its not a real gamers game, or some third party made it in collaboration, or its not a console game, or [insert bullshit modifier here]

BUY RHYTHM HEAVEN
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2011, 07:40:04 PM
Rhythm Tengoku :bow
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: magus on January 09, 2011, 07:40:36 PM
mario 64 DS was the same game with a few new stars put in it randomly,the possibility to switch character (mostly to justify some of the new stars) and a few added touch screen minigame,that was all there was to it

Jesus christ I just read everything below that post.  Oscar is right, you guys are fucking terrible.  And the revisionist history on display is appalling.  I could go ahead and post all the new IP that nintendo has gone through the trouble of publishing, but no oh no it won't count because its not a real gamers game, or some third party made it in collaboration, or its not a console game, or [insert bullshit modifier here]

BUY RHYTHM HEAVEN

:lol
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 09, 2011, 07:41:04 PM
PEOPLE ARE WRITING THINGS I DON'T LIKE READING
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 09, 2011, 07:41:59 PM
It was also a game going on 7 years old when it was released, with only one release prior to that -- Mario 64.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: pilonv1 on January 09, 2011, 07:42:08 PM
Nintendo brings out the worst in everyone.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 09, 2011, 07:45:47 PM
I'm less interested in 3DS than I was a few months ago.

And those Zelda shots do not qualify as a remake. They touched up some models and some textures here and there. They coulda done that on N64 with the expansion pack. In fact they did, it was called Majora's Mask.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: magus on January 09, 2011, 07:56:28 PM
It was also a game going on 7 years old when it was released, with only one release prior to that -- Mario 64.

i was just replying to "but it's bound to have new stuff in it? right? right?" but really if they just want to re-release the thing for younger audience then why they don't just put it as a downloadable game for cheap like with the VC? the 3DS can do that (and they are going to do it with gameboy title) so what reason is there to try to barely sprice it up and sell it as a full game other than "money grab from rabid zelda fan that will happily buy the game they already own"

?

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 09, 2011, 08:06:41 PM
PEOPLE ARE WRITING THINGS I DON'T LIKE READING

But its factually untrue!  Its like listening to republicans talk about ... anything!  Its not based in reality but rather an accumulation of ignorance!
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: cool breeze on January 09, 2011, 08:07:46 PM
I think Zelda looks fine for what it is.  I wasn't expecting a full remake based on how these things are usually handled.

Someone already mentioned Mario 64DS.  Another example is Ape Escape On The Loose for the PSP; it's a remake of Ape Escape 1 with improved graphics but not exactly a benchmark of what to expect from the system.

All I've really been expecting from it is smooth performance and better animations.  If you compare pictures, it doesn't look that different, but you have to consider that OoT on the N64 was a choppy game that ran at like 15 to 20-some fps.  The only thing that disappoints me about it is how much better of a port StarFox 64 seems to be getting.  But I guess it's a balance of how much work you'd really need to do.

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: iconoclast on January 09, 2011, 08:11:35 PM
Wii music
Wii fit
Wii play
Wii sports
Brain age
Nintendogs

:bow Nintendo :bow2
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 09, 2011, 08:19:31 PM
Wii music
Wii fit
Wii play
Wii sports
Brain age
Nintendogs

:bow Nintendo :bow2

Holy shit thanks for the code to get past the nintendogs word filter. 

edit: In all seriousness, Nintendo does a lot more publishing of new IP through collaborations with outside parties then they do developing.  I'm thinking of
battalion Wars
geist
flingsmash
reginlev,
tact of magic,
ouendan series,
project hacker,
another code, 
hotel dusk. 
endless ocean
 Skip does the art style games,
chibi robo,
and Captain rainbow.

Internally developed stuff is mostly restricted to ds and gba and Wii noun games. That would be
fossil fighters,
card hero,
drill dozer,
rhythm tengoku,
tomadachi connection,
and to a certain extent warioware, which I believe was different enough from anything else out there to qualify.
Monolith software has been mentioned. 

I don't think internal software a super important distinction to make considering the other publishers are just as guilty of this.  A legitimate concern would be how many of these games don't make it to the states, but its understandable after games like sin and punishment 2 tank worldwide.

edit 2: I would also argue they had no real incentive to bring Picross back. But they did so and removed the mascot attached to it too, kind of like how they divorced Wii Party from mario.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: pilonv1 on January 09, 2011, 08:26:56 PM
Nintendo Dogs has a word filter?

edit: :rofl
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 09, 2011, 08:32:29 PM
To be clear, I don't have a problem with Nintendo re-releasing old games, even if they're just lazy ports.  I agree with Himu that there's still an audience for those games.  

I just have an issue with their pricing.  I think that is the concern of most people here as well although that somehow got lost in the argument over whether Nintendo ever does anything new.  Although we don't know for certain what those N64 games would cost, Nintendo's previous history gives us little reason to be optimistic.  
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 09, 2011, 08:42:38 PM
Wait cosmic walker got cancelled, and so did whatever Wii Crush was.  Why am I just reading about this.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 09, 2011, 08:47:36 PM
ONLY I AM SMART ON THIS BOARD THE REST OF YOU ARE SO FAR BENEATH ME YOU APPEAR AS ANTS CRAWLING ON A LEAF
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: The Sceneman on January 09, 2011, 08:50:08 PM
PEOPLE ARE WRITING THINGS I DON'T LIKE READING

No, it's more like people are writing things so fucking stupid and poorly thought out that it hurts my head to read.

With all the legitimate criticisms a person could make of Nintendo, I don't see why people need to create a fantasy version of them and/or reality to hatesturbate to. 

Feel free to call me ignorant, I know I am. What exactly did I say that was so factually incorrect?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 09, 2011, 08:51:25 PM
I think my asperger privileges are re-upped at the beginning of the year, I'm just cashing in.  I'll probably be out of credit sometime this spring.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 09, 2011, 08:52:29 PM
CONDESCENDING REMARK

SNEER
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 09, 2011, 08:56:20 PM
maybe there'll be some 3D porn so Ruzbeh can duct tape his 3DS to his $140 pocket pussy
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: iconoclast on January 09, 2011, 09:05:49 PM
list

A lot of those games are just published by Nintendo. Nintendo is a good publisher (in Japan at least), I'm not disputing that. But this is like giving Sega credit for the trio of Platinum games, Alpha Protocol, and whatever. They might be good, original games, but the credit goes to Platinum and Obisidian, not the guys who gave them the money to make the game.

My point is, for every Drill Dozer, Daigasso, and Rhythm Tengoku that Nintendo develops there are 15 Pokemon games, 10 Mario games, and 5 Zelda games. And of course Daigasso, DD, and RT are thrown aside to handhelds while the big budget console releases are ALWAYS the same old safe bet franchises. Xenoblade and Excite Truck/Bots being the lone exceptions (and even then, Xeno and Excite are hardly new).
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 09, 2011, 09:07:17 PM

And this wasn't you, but Kosma looks like a right distinguished mentally-challenged fellow for assuming there's no adult audience for handheld gaming systems because of iOS's success.  If that were the case, you'd assume the existing handheld systems wouldn't still be selling to adults, but they are.  I don't see why new systems are going to have any trouble hitting the same audience.

I know in Japan mass transit allows for the adult handheld gamer to easily exist, but here in the states there's no such practicality.  In addition there's a heavy stigma attached to it.  So what has taken hold is people having no qualms using their phones to play 99 cent apps during they few times they have downtime outside of their home, i.e. waiting for a movie to start, waiting in line, etc.  There's almost no stigma attached to this because what a person is doing on their phone is ambiguous. I know anectdotal evidence doesn't mean much, but I just don't see adults playing ds or psp.  I would argue that the ds sales trends and the failure of the psp both indicate that dedicated game players schew towards young demographics. I know the situation is much different in japan.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 09, 2011, 09:13:36 PM
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A lot of those games are just published by Nintendo. Nintendo is a good publisher (in Japan at least), I'm not disputing that. But this is like giving Sega credit for the trio of Platinum games, Alpha Protocol, and whatever. They might be good, original games, but the credit goes to Platinum and Obisidian, not the guys who gave them the money to make the game.

My point is, for every Drill Dozer, Daigasso, and Rhythm Tengoku that Nintendo develops there are 15 Pokemon games, 10 Mario games, and 5 Zelda games. And of course Daigasso, DD, and RT are thrown aside to handhelds while the big budget console releases are ALWAYS the same old safe bet franchises. Xenoblade and Excite Truck/Bots being the lone exceptions (and even then, Xeno and Excite are hardly new).

Why does it matter WHO made the games.  Why does it matter who gets credit?  I liked the Endless Ocean games a lot, Nintendo published them in the USA and sold them for 30 bucks.  It was in their interests to back the game, spend some money on it, and hopefully grab some potential consumers who were looking for a relaxing scuba exploration game. I'm one of those happy customers. 

The excite games were not developed by Nintendo either, Monster games did that, who I believed worked on Nascar stuff before that.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: iconoclast on January 09, 2011, 09:26:22 PM
Well I guess that's just where we differ then. I don't consider Nier a Square Enix game just like I don't consider Ouendan a Nintendo game. /shrug
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 09, 2011, 09:58:09 PM
You seem to have my character down pretty good, Feelbad.  I've been thinking of franchising, will you work for tentacle porn?

no, but i'll work in it

[youtube=560,345]oShTJ90fC34[/youtube]
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 09, 2011, 11:42:04 PM
[youtube=560,345]zVMW3TlCPGw[/youtube]

OMGGGGG
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 10, 2011, 12:06:25 AM
Is that game a platformer or what? It looks so boring.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 10, 2011, 01:01:12 AM
wtf himu

you trollin' right
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 10, 2011, 02:20:14 AM
You people should realize that games are not made for us anymore.

Annyway,

3DS shipment
Japan...1.5 million
West...2.5 million
 
A lot or not?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 10, 2011, 03:33:20 AM
Here in Europe i don't see much buzz yet,but people are probably waiting for a price announcement.

Have to correct myself,that data is not for day one
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Iwata: 3DS shipment for Japan this FY (through March 31) will be 1.5 million. The remaining 2.5 million will head to the rest territories outside Japan.

 
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 10, 2011, 04:25:44 AM
Seriously though people

(http://i52.tinypic.com/112ebdk.png)
$300 hardware (native screen res)

(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5738/36249677.jpg)
$229 hardware (native screen res)

You can waste money to play your babby game

I will save money and play my MAN game
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: MCD on January 10, 2011, 04:46:01 AM
2nd screenshot look like some trash PC game.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 10, 2011, 05:16:22 AM
Graphics are not important,gameplay is what matters
 :smug
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 10, 2011, 06:03:07 AM
Unlike you(some weird stard+pctard combo) I have psp,like it more than any Nintendo handheld and will probably buy PS3 sometime.
Get back when you stop playing emulators...

Besides I was just joking

smh
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Ninja on January 10, 2011, 06:26:55 AM
It looks kinda chunky, but at least the colour is decent. Battery life could be an issue but I'll probably never play it outdoors anyway.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 10, 2011, 08:00:14 AM
You people should realize that games are not made for us anymore.

Annyway,

3DS shipment
Japan...1.5 million
West...2.5 million
 
A lot or not?

No idea what the buzz is like in NA, and the TV commercials have *just* started rolling here, but I don't think they're going to have to worry about selling out in the first week with that size shipment, at any rate.

As a comparison, the Wii launched with 400k units in Japan and about 600k in the US, the DS fat launched with about 600k in each region, and the DS Lite launched with about 600k in each region.  Nintendo's obviously got high hopes here.  Probably hoping to avoid the sell-out issues they had with the Lite and the Wii.

probably not gonna have to worry about immediate sell-out if it's $300
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: magus on January 10, 2011, 08:03:39 AM
Well I guess that's just where we differ then. I don't consider Nier a Square Enix game just like I don't consider Ouendan a Nintendo game. /shrug

yea i think in the same way too... back when i was posting on gaf i got pissed when it was revealed that saki was one of the assist trophy of brawl,sin & punishment is a treasure game,not a nintendo one so i couldn't help but think that he was out of place,also i didn't know nier wasn't developed by square so who the heck made the game?

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edit: Kid Icarus is such an enigmatic IP. There has been ONE SHIT GAME TWENTY YEARS AGO, yet Ninfans have been clamouring for a sequel on the internet for years. I guess it's that whole hivemind thing

this always bugged me too.... when you have one single obscure game how the heck does that count as a brand? it's the same with chrono trigger,it has 2 games that have almost nothing to do with each other yet it count as a brand that needs sequel.... that's incredibly stupid
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: iconoclast on January 10, 2011, 08:04:33 AM
Cavia made Nier.

They're dead now. :'(
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 10, 2011, 08:08:22 AM
You people should realize that games are not made for us anymore.

Annyway,

3DS shipment
Japan...1.5 million
West...2.5 million
 
A lot or not?

No idea what the buzz is like in NA, and the TV commercials have *just* started rolling here, but I don't think they're going to have to worry about selling out in the first week with that size shipment, at any rate.

As a comparison, the Wii launched with 400k units in Japan and about 600k in the US, the DS fat launched with about 600k in each region, and the DS Lite launched with about 600k in each region.  Nintendo's obviously got high hopes here.  Probably hoping to avoid the sell-out issues they had with the Lite and the Wii.

probably not gonna have to worry about immediate sell-out if it's $300


Those figures are not for day one,fiscal year(through March 31),so they could sell out depending how much they have on day one,first week.
But if it's $300,hmm
Especially in Europe...that could transfer to like 400 Euros here
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 10, 2011, 08:15:24 AM
Well I guess that's just where we differ then. I don't consider Nier a Square Enix game just like I don't consider Ouendan a Nintendo game. /shrug

yea i think in the same way too... back when i was posting on gaf i got pissed when it was revealed that saki was one of the assist trophy of brawl,sin & punishment is a treasure game,not a nintendo one so i couldn't help but think that he was out of place,also i didn't know nier wasn't developed by square so who the heck made the game?


Certain agreements turn out so that a company that didn't develop a game nevertheless maintains publishing rights.  There can never be a sin and punishment game on another platform without Nintendo's permission.  It's basically their ip.  Goldeneye has a similar entanglement, which is why the game only was remade on the Wii, but had to still be adjusted in many ways.  They could have done the same thing with rare properties like banjo kazooie but ultimately decided they got to keep their franchises.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Himu on January 10, 2011, 09:53:11 AM
what in the fuck does that mean?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: tiesto on January 10, 2011, 09:56:59 AM
After a while, people just got used to banging the drum for a Kid Icarus sequel, and besides, what other dormant Nintendo IP is there left for them to bang the drum for? 

StarTropics  :'(
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 10, 2011, 09:57:59 AM
I just heard from someone that knows that the 3DS isnt really transit friendly.

xbot,sbot,troll,hater,why are you hating on Nintendo?

Seriously,what himu asked

spoiler (click to show/hide)
battery?
 :teehee
or region lock?
[close]
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: magus on January 10, 2011, 10:47:12 AM
Don't believe Kosma lies :shh

He has real-life interest in games being bought for cellphones/ smartphones/ iDevices not for PSP/ 3DS handhelds. That's why he is spinning so hard against 3DS :punch :gun :punch

I'M CAPTAIN BORYS FON EVILBURG FROM DALMASCA
DON'T BELIEVE KOSMA'S LIES
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 10, 2011, 11:50:15 AM
That doesn't bother me,2D ftw
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: SantaC on January 10, 2011, 12:16:28 PM
the 3D effect can be turned off if it is annoying.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 10, 2011, 12:27:50 PM
I'd buy a 2D-only version for $150
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Damian79 on January 10, 2011, 05:12:13 PM
This person, says the console is hard to play while moving, with the 3D but also with the camera integration in some games.




Lies confirmed the camera is fairly smooth.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 10, 2011, 08:19:17 PM
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With regards to FF, where should they put it?  The series is facing a declining customer base, skyrocketing budgets, and increasing indifference from the west.  They put their other major franchise onto handhelds and got a record result, saleswise.

They're not interchangeable "major franchises".   Being a showcase for high production values is a big part of the role of the numbered FF series. DQ is completely different in that regard. I think if anything rather than put numbered games on handhelds, they'd be more likely to just only put out a new numbered game every five to ten years or so, and put out a lot more spinoffs on handhelds instead. It's what they're more or less already doing with Kingdom Hearts.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 10, 2011, 09:17:18 PM
FFX really didn't outsell FFIX? Huh.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 10, 2011, 09:21:26 PM

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Your Nintendo 3DS is not only a gaming device, it’s also a pedometer. It can track your steps and collect this data within the Activity Log  application. But it seems like Nintendo are actively encouraging you to walk around with your 3DS. There’s a “Game Coins” feature built-in to the device that gives you “coins” based on how many steps you take. These coins can then be used to unlock new content in games. You may be thinking “this is stupid!” and yes, you can often trick pedometers without much hassle. But I like that Nintendo is increasing the usefulness of StreetPass mode. If everyone ends up walking around with their 3DS we all get to benefit from its more unique features.

http://nintendo3dsblog.com/the-nintendo-3ds-features-a-game-coins-system-that-ties-in-with-the-pedometer (http://nintendo3dsblog.com/the-nintendo-3ds-features-a-game-coins-system-that-ties-in-with-the-pedometer)

hate this unlocking shit
in order to unlock hard difficulty please take a walk
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 10, 2011, 09:26:21 PM
I think it would be cool if it were a part of a larger achievement esque system that actually took your in game accomplishments, monetized them, and could be interchanged between all of your games. It would be used as a pseudo currency to unlock extras and whatnot.  Essentially just taking the pointless arbitrary gamerscore crap and instituting a genuine incentive system in its stead.  And then you could supplement that with walking.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: pilonv1 on January 10, 2011, 09:30:44 PM
Just for the assburgers crowd to make sure they carry their 3DS 24 hours a day like the good little walking advertisements they are.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 10, 2011, 09:59:40 PM
more likely, it's designed to force a ubiquity of the platform on a person. if the 3ds is already on your person, chances are you'll make it part of your narbo lifestyle and hopefully buy games, although really this will just encourage piracy as who wants to carry a sack fulla carts with them as well
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 10, 2011, 10:13:52 PM
it's region locked? TODAY IS A SAD PANDA DAY
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: pilonv1 on January 10, 2011, 10:17:21 PM
Won't this just encourage kids to tie their 3DS to their dog or something while they go to school?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 11, 2011, 06:11:43 AM
From EG,via Kotaku

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Nintendo has discontinued production of the Nintendo DSi, according to a Japanese retail source.

The only available DSi units are those currently in inventory, Kotaku reports.

The larger DSi XL is still in production, apparently.

With the Nintendo 3DS handheld just a few months from release, attention is turning away from Nintendo's DS family of consoles. Kotaku speculates the decision might have been made to help differentiate the two consoles in consumers' minds.

Released in 2008, the DSi is the third iteration of the DS. It is similar in design to the DS Lite, features a low-resolution camera and connects to the Nintendo DSi Shop.

We've asked Nintendo for clarification.

yeah,yeah Kotaku is this and that,but even a blind chicken hits sometimes...they destroyed nerds with that home stuff,fun times


Yesterday I was kinda browsing my local shops* and i noticed that DS section was just DSi,DSi,DSi,DSi,nothing else...hmm

*
spoiler (click to show/hide)
looked for PS3 prices,now you can find cheaper PS3 than 4GB Slim 360...found one that costs like exactly like my PSP(bought year ago),12 months warranty...sold out,damn
 :-[
[close]


Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 11, 2011, 06:48:39 AM
 :bow2

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Now, the DS Lite?  They stopped producing those a while ago.  As you've noticed.

I wish i noticed that before,cheap DS Lite...damn,barely ever clicked on Nintendo section
Hopefully they stop producing DSi soon
DS was quite expensive here,especially if you want free games...more expensive than PSP

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 11, 2011, 07:13:25 AM
Browsed a little more,some interesting finds
No 3DS mention,DSi(DSi XL) only,PSP prices are like 10 euros down from last year(about the same as vanilla DSi)
Except for some pink PSP...50 euros down
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 11, 2011, 07:18:27 AM
3ds has a region code.  Either wait for a crack or buy two units from your respective preferred regions (lol)
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 11, 2011, 07:24:11 AM
Region codes :yuck

Personally i don't care about Japan stuff,but US,EU stuff yes
EU always gets the shaft,soo...hack it quickly

Eurogamer has some pictures(not seen before,i think)

http://www.eurogamer.net/gallery.php?game_id=&article_id=1316299#anchor (http://www.eurogamer.net/gallery.php?game_id=&article_id=1316299#anchor)

Cradle seems nice :)
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: MCD on January 11, 2011, 07:34:43 AM
Yeah, this shit need to be hacked day 1.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection
Post by: maxy on January 11, 2011, 07:54:17 AM
Big mistake by Nintendo,i think

Just like with other OS PS3 stuff,hackers now have legitimate reason to to crack the system and more importantly they will be praised by legitimate users if they succeed.Byproduct of this is always piracy and the one that does it will be praised by both groups.

In other words,thanks Nintendo  :pimp



 
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 11, 2011, 09:03:19 AM
Region lock? Interest now dropping into negative numbers. Bye bye
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: demi on January 11, 2011, 09:25:09 AM
lol, cause we are all gonna import J-games...

America #1, as usual
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: SantaC on January 11, 2011, 10:00:26 AM
lol, cause we are all gonna import J-games...

America #1, as usual

more like europeans wanting to play american games on their 3DS.

Time to import a 3DS.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: cool breeze on January 11, 2011, 11:57:26 AM
That's a shame.  I have 10 or more import games from Japan and Europe for my DS.  Guess I'll have to hold off on importing games until the thing is hacked or something.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Bebpo on January 11, 2011, 12:02:26 PM
yeah, not touching it at launch now.  No must have games for me on the system until KH3DS comes out in 2012.

I hope Sony doesn't follow Nintendo's lead and region lock the PSP2 :\
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: iconoclast on January 11, 2011, 01:01:05 PM
Oh well, that oughta make the wait until it's <$200 with a flashcard available that much easier.

My three most played DS games are imports that I actually bought too (Ouendan 1&2, Ketsui).
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Corporal on January 11, 2011, 01:03:07 PM
It's regionlocked? Meh. Now I'll definitely stand on the sidelines and wait for a "Lite" iteration.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 11, 2011, 01:09:19 PM
lol, cause we are all gonna import J-games...

America #1, as usual

I actually own more Japanese DS games than I do NA games. :lol
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 11, 2011, 01:59:11 PM
region lock = wait for RS4D
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 11, 2011, 02:40:54 PM
You know, the nice thing about portable gaming is going to another country and picking up a game there knowing that of course it'll work, it's a portable system!

 ::)
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: maxy on January 11, 2011, 03:01:44 PM
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Square Enix producer Takamasa Shiba has told VG247 that he is looking forward to hardware improvements afforded by the yet-to-be-announced PSP2.

Speaking with us in Tokyo regarding upcoming PSP actioner Lord of Arcana, Shiba said that while hardware is something that’s constantly being both created and tweaked, software needs to be created to push new hardware on consumers.

“There are a lot of things I’m excited for the PSP2, but I’m more interested in hardware specifics rather than a unique feature,” said Shiba.

“Hardware is always coming out, so the software needs to be pushing the hardware as well. So, if they put something in that’s very unique then it is hard to create games for it.

“As a creator, I’m looking forward to mainly hardware improvements.”

Take that,Mr EmCee
spoiler (click to show/hide)
:P
[close]
http://www.vg247.com/2011/01/11/squares-shiba-looking-forward-to-hardware-improvements-in-psp2/#more-136656 (http://www.vg247.com/2011/01/11/squares-shiba-looking-forward-to-hardware-improvements-in-psp2/#more-136656)


When 3DS was announced,I thought that PSP2 had no chance against it but now i'm not so sure
Lots of unpopular stuff by Nintendo lately(battery and now region lock) and they have yet to announce price in the West.

Sony should just lay low and then like a true predator attack 3DS weak points,without mercy...just like 360 vs PS3

I love competition.

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Purple Filth on January 11, 2011, 03:09:49 PM
Quote
Square Enix producer Takamasa Shiba has told VG247 that he is looking forward to hardware improvements afforded by the yet-to-be-announced PSP2.

Speaking with us in Tokyo regarding upcoming PSP actioner Lord of Arcana, Shiba said that while hardware is something that’s constantly being both created and tweaked, software needs to be created to push new hardware on consumers.

“There are a lot of things I’m excited for the PSP2, but I’m more interested in hardware specifics rather than a unique feature,” said Shiba.

“Hardware is always coming out, so the software needs to be pushing the hardware as well. So, if they put something in that’s very unique then it is hard to create games for it.

“As a creator, I’m looking forward to mainly hardware improvements.”

Take that,Mr EmCee
spoiler (click to show/hide)
:P
[close]
http://www.vg247.com/2011/01/11/squares-shiba-looking-forward-to-hardware-improvements-in-psp2/#more-136656 (http://www.vg247.com/2011/01/11/squares-shiba-looking-forward-to-hardware-improvements-in-psp2/#more-136656)


When 3DS was announced,I thought that PSP2 had no chance against it but now i'm not so sure
Lots of unpopular stuff by Nintendo lately(battery and now region lock) and they have yet to announce price in the West.

Sony should just lay low and then like a true predator attack 3DS weak points,without mercy

I love competition.




Sony should go back to thier Ps1 roots aka when they were trying to get in (though they cant money hat like i've heard they did during those days)
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: maxy on January 11, 2011, 03:40:36 PM
They should attack third party,send million engineers,moneyhat,timed exclusive,whatever...just get them to release PSP2 version at least day and date as 3DS...
As for hardware,Sony could be willing to undercut,lose some money on hardware...unlike Nintendo
I know that PS3 stuff has hit them hard,but just match 3DS price

If 3D stuff becomes some massive hit they can always neutralize it with some 3D revision,people will moan a little,but who cares...3DS will always support 3D,2D modes...even field

Utilize PSN...Nintendo is ages behind
Utilize dual analogs
Utilize PS2 if possible


Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 11, 2011, 04:23:16 PM
Given Sony's current state, you guys are nuts if you think the 3DS is going to be affected at all by the PSP2.  Sony just doesn't try at all.  They're going to do their usual "quietly launch some expensive ass shit in hopes of making it look sacred and super high class" routine, which will be compounded by how unfriendly their dev tools tend to be leading to less games, and then the system will coast by on externally generated hype, with only a few "wtf" ads from sony.  It'll tread water, but I doubt it's going to make any impact on the 3DS.  Things like battery life (as long as it gets a few hours) and region lock do not matter to kids/nintendo fans. 

I'm not saying it doesn't have a chance of being the better system after benefitting from longer development time and from being able to see the competition, just like Move is more advanced and better than the Wii controller, but sales-wise, it's more than likely going to be another blood bath, just like Move vs. the Wii, or better, the DS and PSP.

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: maxy on January 11, 2011, 05:00:00 PM
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Things like battery life (as long as it gets a few hours) and region lock do not matter to kids/nintendo fans. 
Price will matter(with kids),that is my starting point,without that slim chance.In short I'm not counting on casuals immediately jumping on 3DS and that gives Sony decent time to attack.Japan seems to like PSP,that should be exploited.

You are probably right,marketing campaign will include Marcus,3DS is for kids etc,etc...as usual

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 11, 2011, 06:40:24 PM
Nintendo might have enough of a name at this point to launch a $300 handheld successfully.  But I think it'll be $250 in the U.S. 
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: cool breeze on January 11, 2011, 10:13:28 PM
To be fair, when Sony reveals the PSP2, people won't be as surprised by the price or battery life.  I'm expecting Sony to put out a device as impractical as it is powerful.

honestly, the only thing that annoys me about the 3DS is the touch screen.  Battery life, region locking, and those things are issues but won't really impact the quality of games.  I remember thinking that a second analog slider wouldn't be needed since they had a touch screen and I was going off my experience playing iPhone shooters.  But the iphone has a nice glass capacitive screen that's easy to slide your thumb around on.  The 3DS is still going to rely on the stylus because it is using a cheaper resistive screen.  It will probably run into the same problems as the PSP with camera control in 3D games, which we'll probably see more of now.  There is also the lack of multitouch and other nice things I've become accustomed too in the time since the DS first came out.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 11, 2011, 10:46:49 PM
I'd rather that game designers move on from cameras that need to be adjusted. That applies to all platforms.  No seriously, I hate stuff like babysitting the camera in monster hunter, shit needs to be isometric or top down or something before I would call it enjoyable.  I feel that way about a lot of 3d games. So often the problems could be alleviated if they would just pull the camera viewpoint off of your characters ass, but I guess they put so many polygons into the character model they wouldn't want it to go unappreciated.

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: maxy on January 12, 2011, 01:54:54 AM
(http://i55.tinypic.com/63ww8j.jpg)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/k8f34.jpg)

more here
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25368254&postcount=1 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25368254&postcount=1)


Every day a new picture
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 12, 2011, 02:43:35 AM
Oh my freaking god more leaked photos  :lol

CHINESE DUDES = BALLS OF STEEL

(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/monk-kick-balls_9185.jpg)
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 12, 2011, 03:27:19 AM
how about some leaked specs
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: maxy on January 12, 2011, 04:56:40 AM
Stolen from gaf

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(http://i52.tinypic.com/egtt0l.jpg)

Obviously, every Nintendo console has to go through Miyamoto's own approval process.


 :rofl
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: maxy on January 12, 2011, 05:38:22 AM
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UK shops are now taking pre-orders for Nintendo's 3DS console, and have listed unconfirmed release dates and pricing for the handheld.

TheHut, WHSmith, Best Buy UK and Woolworths all peg the 3DS for release on 18th March if you pre-order or 25th March otherwise for an eye-watering £299.93. They each list the 3DS in blue, black and red.

UK shops have started taking preorders,i doubt that they have any Nintendo input on price,but damn

£300 :omg
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 12, 2011, 08:42:28 AM
I'd rather that game designers move on from cameras that need to be adjusted. That applies to all platforms.  No seriously, I hate stuff like babysitting the camera in monster hunter, shit needs to be isometric or top down or something before I would call it enjoyable.  I feel that way about a lot of 3d games. So often the problems could be alleviated if they would just pull the camera viewpoint off of your characters ass, but I guess they put so many polygons into the character model they wouldn't want it to go unappreciated.



Its been 15 years since Mario 64, you'd think you can control cameras by now mate.

I can control them just fine. Its still annoying as fuck and in most games it would make sense to simply go with a practical perspective. But no the developer put so much effort into these textures we could never pull the camera back.

pffffffffffffffttttttttttt.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: maxy on January 12, 2011, 08:52:18 AM
Just like Oscar said,this way they will just lower the price..."honey,it's more cheaper than we thought,wohoo"
Lots of people are betting on £250,even that seems kinda high to me.


more pics,down to the smallest parts

http://www.tvgzone.com/thread-4818-1-1.html (http://www.tvgzone.com/thread-4818-1-1.html)


Famous 3D screen
(http://oi53.tinypic.com/2ib0qh3.jpg)

(http://oi53.tinypic.com/20sy6ih.jpg)



Made by Sharp


But Chinese are not sleeping, no no

http://kotaku.com/5731464/the-playstation-phone-torn-apart/gallery/ (http://kotaku.com/5731464/the-playstation-phone-torn-apart/gallery/)

Sony should hurry with PSP2 announcement,they could be tearing it up right now :lol
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Himu on January 12, 2011, 11:44:23 AM
HOLY SHIT. THEY ADDED NEW ANIMATIONS TO EVEN ENEMIES AND TRIVIAL SHIT LIKE DARUNIA'S DANCE :hyper

[youtube=560,345]KhcTqKA1CIc[/youtube]
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 12, 2011, 11:45:25 AM
OMFG. PREORDERED
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Don Flamenco on January 12, 2011, 11:51:28 AM
I'd rather that game designers move on from cameras that need to be adjusted. That applies to all platforms.  No seriously, I hate stuff like babysitting the camera in monster hunter, shit needs to be isometric or top down or something before I would call it enjoyable.  I feel that way about a lot of 3d games. So often the problems could be alleviated if they would just pull the camera viewpoint off of your characters ass, but I guess they put so many polygons into the character model they wouldn't want it to go unappreciated.


I'd rather have a manual camera than fixed angles.  I like a smooth, persistent view vs. going from scene to scene. 

and just no @ isometric/top down in Monster Hunter or any game with jumping for that matter. 
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: MCD on January 12, 2011, 11:52:53 AM
It really looks wonderful.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: cool breeze on January 12, 2011, 12:05:15 PM
I'd rather that game designers move on from cameras that need to be adjusted. That applies to all platforms.  No seriously, I hate stuff like babysitting the camera in monster hunter, shit needs to be isometric or top down or something before I would call it enjoyable.  I feel that way about a lot of 3d games. So often the problems could be alleviated if they would just pull the camera viewpoint off of your characters ass, but I guess they put so many polygons into the character model they wouldn't want it to go unappreciated.



It's nice to want things and all but things won't get better with the 3DS.  Plus having an automatic camera can't work for many types of games, including any type of shooter or game where you need direct camera control.  Reading impressions of Kid Icarus, it seems like you need to play it in the same uncomfortable position as Metroid Hunters.  I think the game looks pretty cool but the control scheme seems bad; I almost wish it was on the Wii so I can play it comfortably like Sin and Punishment 2.

I actually think touch screen/panel is potentially better than a second stick if the quality is good.  The problem with iphone games is movement, not the camera.  It feels like using a virtual trackball.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Trent Dole on January 12, 2011, 02:55:43 PM
When is the first big game coming?

HOLY SHIT. THEY ADDED NEW ANIMATIONS TO EVEN ENEMIES AND TRIVIAL SHIT LIKE DARUNIA'S DANCE :hyper

ILL PAY 40 FOR THAT

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Not really
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They'll charge $50 :teehee
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 12, 2011, 03:21:49 PM
Capcom is insinuating that it's got per-game friend codes too. Awesome. They will never learn until people stop buying their stuff.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: maxy on January 12, 2011, 03:25:42 PM
If Sony doesn't use PSN to maximum with PSP2...no words
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Bebpo on January 12, 2011, 03:38:40 PM
Capcom is insinuating that it's got per-game friend codes too. Awesome. They will never learn until people stop buying their stuff.

Bleh

It's too bad 3DS will kill PSP2 since PSP2 looks like it could be the handheld, gamers actually WANT (dual analogue so good camera controls in games, PSN for real friendslist/online like the console big boys, region free, 1 screen).  I just hope PSP2 carves enough of a niche that it gets consistent solid support like the PSP did vs. the DS.

If Sony doesn't use PSN to maximum with PSP2...no words

It'll use PSN.  Sony loves put their stuff across all their products.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Trent Dole on January 12, 2011, 03:52:08 PM
Capcom is insinuating that it's got per-game friend codes too. Awesome. They will never learn until people stop buying their stuff.
What? Fuck off, Nintendo. :yuck
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 12, 2011, 03:58:18 PM
The original PSP was the handheld that "gamers wanted" and that didn't work out either.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Bebpo on January 12, 2011, 04:04:42 PM
PSP was a success imo.  I have a huge library of awesome games on it and more are still being made every year.  If PSP2 can get the level of support that PSP has gotten I will breakdance on the dance floor. 

I have a stroooong fear though that it'll be closer to the support the Saturn got coming off the SegaCD.  The nichiest of niche support.  I just don't see a market for it outside of Japan and in Japan where in a vacuum it could have been the strong successor to the PSP which is extremely huge there...in the real world the 3DS is going to kill it because it'll be out first and PSP2 won't offer anything the 3DS can't to the casual Japanese gamer.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: SantaC on January 12, 2011, 04:07:04 PM
PSP was a success imo.  I have a huge library of awesome games on it and more are still being made every year.  If PSP2 can get the level of support that PSP has gotten I will breakdance on the dance floor. 

I have a stroooong fear though that it'll be closer to the support the Saturn got coming off the SegaCD.  The nichiest of niche support.  I just don't see a market for it outside of Japan and in Japan where in a vacuum it could have been the strong successor to the PSP which is extremely huge there...in the real world the 3DS is going to kill it because it'll be out first and PSP2 won't offer anything the 3DS can't to the casual Japanese gamer.

wait what, you think the PSP library is that fantastic? It mostly got a bunch of spinoff games of popular franchises, but never really starred in a huge mainline game.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Bebpo on January 12, 2011, 04:16:40 PM
Oh really?

You mean like MGS5? Parasite Eve 3?  FFXIII Agito?  FF7 Crisis Core? Kingdom Hearts BBS?  Super Robot Wars Z2?  Zettai Zetsumei 3? 2 Syphon Filter games?  2 God of War games?  A Resistance game arguably better than the console entries?  2 of the best Wipeout games in the series?  Zettai Hero Project?  Tons of original titles like Crush, Patapon, Loco Roco?  The Metal Gear Ac!d series?  Etc..etc...

Just because they don't slap a number on a game doesn't make it some fanservice spinoff.  PSP started off good, became shakey and then came back fucking strong in the last 2 years and still has another year or so of strong support.


Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: MCD on January 12, 2011, 04:19:55 PM
Ys games made PSP relevant.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 12, 2011, 04:25:11 PM
I prefer japanese gaming and even Bebpo's list is far too weeaboo for me.  Seriously, Metal gear and anything square enix makes are embarrassing wannabe cinematic experience wank.

I can't imagine Nintendo is going to be that distinguished mentally-challenged going with a per game friendcode again.  It arguably killed the online acceptance of the wii and ds.  I think they are going to do a single friendcode that simply links your systems.  They've been encouraging developers to have their wii games automatically link people in your system friend list with the same game, although it is rarely implemented.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: SantaC on January 12, 2011, 04:26:17 PM
Oh really?

You mean like MGS5? Parasite Eve 3?  FFXIII Agito?  FF7 Crisis Core? Kingdom Hearts BBS?  Super Robot Wars Z2?  Zettai Zetsumei 3? 2 Syphon Filter games?  2 God of War games?  A Resistance game arguably better than the console entries?  2 of the best Wipeout games in the series?  Zettai Hero Project?  Tons of original titles like Crush, Patapon, Loco Roco?  The Metal Gear Ac!d series?  Etc..etc...

Just because they don't slap a number on a game doesn't make it some fanservice spinoff.  PSP started off good, became shakey and then came back fucking strong in the last 2 years and still has another year or so of strong support.


PSP has MGS5, what? FFXIII agitoI + FF7 CC = spinoff games. Kingdom Hearts, lol that series is shit. You say  it has tons of original titles, and you list two? God of War chains of olympics isnt nearly as good as console versions.

When the PSP came out with that slick hardware at the time I expected it to trounce the crappy DS hardware, but instead it was the DS that got the better support by far.

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Bebpo on January 12, 2011, 04:32:53 PM
You asked for huge mainline games.  That means you need an existing franchise for it to be huge.  If you want I could list dozens of great original psp titles.  It has those as well.

The thing is that in the last 2 years, the psp has been the only system to truly succeed the PS2.  All big franchises in Japan on PS2 when they have new entries are on PSP right now.  It's the place to be.  What main games did the DS get?  A few Tales, a few SMT, a few Castlevania and a ton of spinoffs, original games, and Nintendo franchises.  Same deal as psp.  The libraries are basically even at this point in major quality titles.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: maxy on January 12, 2011, 04:41:01 PM
I think that they are just trying to troll,Bebpo

PSP is a nice device with some really good and fun games(even in the West,I care mostly about that)...shame that people* here(in the west) don't like dedicated handhelds much(DS can thank majority of its sales to casuals,parents)

Just bring core Western devs on board with PSP2,release decent software steady and I will be there

*hardcore
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: cool breeze on January 12, 2011, 04:44:23 PM
PSP hardware has and always will be superior to the ds.  Exclusive software support is shaky and the ds trumps it, but the psp can play ps1 games.  Even if you don't want to use homebrew, PS1 games cost anywhere from $3 to $10 on PSN.

Getting into software is another thing.  I'll just say that the PSP did revive floundering or dead series like Wipeout, Ridge Racer, and Syphon filter...only for most of them to be forgotten because of the PS3 lol ( :'().  I think the wipeout crew is gone, Bend went from the two great splinter cell games to spin-offs of PS3 franchises (Resistance Retribution was better than Resistance 2, and they're rumored to be making Uncharted for the PSP2), and Namco is being Namco and has put Ridge Racer on everything after it became good again.  But at least Twisted Metal seems to be back.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: archie4208 on January 12, 2011, 04:44:53 PM
The only thing the DS has over the PSP is better SMT games.  Otherwise, the PSP is a much better system.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 12, 2011, 04:45:52 PM
MGS5?
Parasite Eve 3? 
FFXIII Agito? 
FF7 Crisis Core?
Kingdom Hearts BBS? 
Super Robot Wars Z2? 
Zettai Zetsumei 3?
A Resistance game arguably better than the console entries? 
Zettai Hero Project?  
The Metal Gear Ac!d series? 

No seriously, don't ever diss the wii again, man.  I'm willing to give stuff like patapon and wipeout the benefit of the doubt, but square enix and kojima embarfass themselves and the japanese industry.   Alot of this is seriously reaching.

edit: EM BARF ASS :lol
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 12, 2011, 06:26:13 PM
Hyperbolic nerds sperging out ITT.

*including me
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 12, 2011, 08:26:50 PM
Capcom is insinuating that it's got per-game friend codes too. Awesome. They will never learn until people stop buying their stuff.

:lol how can anyone be interested in this train wreck now?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 12, 2011, 08:45:53 PM
Hopefully Sony has a decent online service for it.

... :lol :(
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Diunx on January 12, 2011, 09:17:02 PM

If Sony doesn't use PSN to maximum with PSP2...no words

It'll use PSN.  Sony loves put their stuff across all their products.

I hope so, it would be cool if they let me use psn account and let me chat/ send message to friends and see what they are playing and shit even if they don't own a psp2.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 12, 2011, 09:20:27 PM
 ::)
Per game friend codes have not been confirmed yet. If the stuff they have been experimenting with on the wii is any indication*, they will be moving towards a universal code system, i.e. a really long phone number which permanently puts another player on all your friends lists no matter what game.

* Mariokart crossreferenced two friended wii systems to see if they both had the game and automatically places the players on each other friend list.  A few third party games have done the same.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Diunx on January 12, 2011, 09:52:13 PM
PSP has a better real games library then the Wii.

.
And Peace Walker is anything but a spin off its a direct continuation of the mgs3 story and the gameplay is closer to mgs4 than to mgs:po.

Sony has been putting 3d on everything, I would be shock if the psp2 doesn't have 3d support.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: Sho Nuff on January 12, 2011, 10:23:31 PM
It would be fucking awesome if they put a GPS and a Kindle Whispernet-style always-on free 3G connection inside it for leaderboards/simple messaging. I don't think you could possibly download full games over 3G due to the sizes, but it'd be phat for location aware gaming.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 12, 2011, 10:36:48 PM
It would be fucking awesome if they put a GPS and a Kindle Whispernet-style always-on free 3G connection inside it for leaderboards/simple messaging. I don't think you could possibly download full games over 3G due to the sizes, but it'd be phat for locating innocent children
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: cool breeze on January 13, 2011, 02:03:13 AM
I thought Peace Walker was kinda disappointing, actually.  It did have the good parts of MGS4, only really simplified and lacking in a lot of the detail that I liked about MGS games.  A lot of it felt like negative influence from Monster Hunter; it's most noticeable with the bosses.

Still great and a lot better than Portable Ops.  I still want MGS4 VR missions.  And make AC!D 3 for anything (or at least the iphone and one other device).

It would be fucking awesome if they put a GPS and a Kindle Whispernet-style always-on free 3G connection inside it for leaderboards/simple messaging. I don't think you could possibly download full games over 3G due to the sizes, but it'd be phat for locating innocent children

innocent children that will be walking in the street to earn coins

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: maxy on January 14, 2011, 03:22:11 AM
From EG

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Not all 3DS games will have to make use of the device's 3D capabilities, Nintendo has revealed.

Answering a question from Earthbound creator Shigesato Itoi in a new Iwata Asks interview as to whether the handheld will be compatible with DS cartridges, Nintendo guru Shigeru Miyamoto explained, "It's compatible with software for previous Nintendo DS systems, which will be viewed in the 2D mode.

"New game cards, however, will be specific to Nintendo 3DS, but whether they will be in 3D or not is basically up to the maker, just like how much to use the touchscreen was up to developers for Nintendo DS."

The Mario creator went on to explain that he thought it was too much to expect all developers to immediately start developing in 3D.

"Suddenly requesting all the game developers to only make 3D games on game cards exclusive to the Nintendo 3DS from now on would really raise the hurdle for them.

"We thought it would be better for developers, as well as players, if they could do as they please depending on the software, having images jump out just a little or making games based significantly on 3D."

http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interview.html#/how-nintendo-3ds-made/0/5 (http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interview.html#/how-nintendo-3ds-made/0/5)
good move


just saw this
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shnuhCtc7dY[/youtube]

looks nice,spectator mode sounds very interesting

3DS hype +1

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(region lock active)
Post by: chronovore on January 14, 2011, 05:18:53 AM
You know, the nice thing about portable gaming is going to another country and picking up a game there knowing that of course it'll work, it's a portable system!

 ::)

In fairness, we're a vanishingly small percentage of the overall market.

However, I hate this every bit as much as you do.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: iconoclast on January 14, 2011, 01:04:51 PM
Wow, the 3DS has one of the worst launch lineups I've ever seen. Professor Layton is the only game that looks remotely interesting. Awful.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: Shaka Khan on January 14, 2011, 01:21:09 PM
Will the "Always On" wifi be, literally, always on and auto connecting devices together when they're in proximity and running the same game? I never read about the extent of the service before, as I've chalked it as being as useless as it was on DS when implemented by certain games.

This, however, streamlines the process and good things might come out of it... maybe... I don't know... it's nindendo, they'll screw it up somehow.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: Damian79 on January 14, 2011, 04:30:46 PM
Wow, the 3DS has one of the worst launch lineups I've ever seen. Professor Layton is the only game that looks remotely interesting. Awful.

 ::) The ds was much worse.

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Daigasso! Band Brothers (Nintendo)
Chokkan Hitofude (Polarium) (Nintendo)
Cool104 Joker & Setline (Aruze)
Kimi no Tame Nara Shineru (literally "I Would Die for You"; aka Feel the Magic: XY/XX aka "Project Rub") (Sega)
Kensyūi "Dokuta Tendo" (Spike)
Mahjong Taikai (Koei)
Mr. Driller: Drill Spirits (Namco)
Pokémon Dash (Nintendo)
Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo)
The Urbz: Sims in the City (Electronic Arts)
WarioWare: Touched! (Nintendo)
Zoo Keeper
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: iconoclast on January 14, 2011, 04:56:40 PM
Not that the DS had a good launch lineup either, but I'll take a new WarioWare and Feel the Magic over Layton. Even Daigasso was a decent novelty.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 14, 2011, 04:59:13 PM
Pretty sure Wario Ware came out 3-4 months after launch, at least in the US
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: magus on January 14, 2011, 05:03:42 PM
i loved the first year of the DS,it was full of original titles that made good use of the touch screen,stuff like pac-pix,trauma center,ouendan heck even yoshi touch & go

the 3DS at best can hope for a souped up port of f-zero x

or like remember nintendogs? sure it was a lame pet game,but it was an original lame pet game! you told your DS "PAW!" and the dog would follow... did they do a new whole voice controlled adventure on 3DS?

no they added cats to nintendogs :(

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 14, 2011, 06:38:27 PM
There's no doubt Super Street Fighter IV is the launch title to get, if one is silly enough to grab this thing at launch.

Somehow I doubt it will control well. The dpad seems to be in an uncomfortable position.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 14, 2011, 06:43:42 PM
good, abandoning touch and voice gimmicks for the ds was the best thing they ever did

god, you novelty-obsessed cretins
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 14, 2011, 06:49:25 PM
Don't you play shmups on your ipod?  Are you not guilty of being a fuddy duddy a lot of the time?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 14, 2011, 06:59:15 PM
Gimmicks evolve into standards.

Not denying I like me some novelty.

edit: And I really think its foolish to dismiss touch interfaces at this point.  DS has proven it benefits many genres, iOs came along and has arguably made a vast majority interact with their games in such a way.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 14, 2011, 07:09:35 PM
Touch controls will always suck on tiny screens. 
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: magus on January 14, 2011, 07:22:30 PM
Gimmicks evolve into standards.

Not denying I like me some novelty.

edit: And I really think its foolish to dismiss touch interfaces at this point.  DS has proven it benefits many genres, iOs came along and has arguably made a vast majority interact with their games in such a way.

well to be fair my DS screen is half busted and i simply don't feel the need to repair it because there aren't many games that make use of it

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also i'm a filthy poor :'(
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god, you novelty-obsessed cretins

:bow novelty :bow2

there was this PS2 game that you played trough voice control and i was so damn fascinated by it,i think it got out by the end but it wasn't very precise

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUjN7ThEav4[/youtube]

i also remember that some detective game was in the work but i'm pretty sure that one never saw a release (or at least didn't leave japan) i can't remember the name of that one tough
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: Himu on January 14, 2011, 07:26:12 PM
i wanted to play lifeline
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: iconoclast on January 14, 2011, 08:25:04 PM
There's no doubt Super Street Fighter IV is the launch title to get, if one is silly enough to grab this thing at launch.

Somehow I doubt it will control well. The dpad seems to be in an uncomfortable position.

I read that Capcom worked with Nintendo to make sure the 3DS has a good d-pad. Hopefully that's true.

Besides, SF4 is very lenient with its inputs. It works fine* even with the 360 d-pad, and that thing is an abomination.

*Bison Ultra 1 excluded
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 14, 2011, 08:50:26 PM
There's no doubt Super Street Fighter IV is the launch title to get, if one is silly enough to grab this thing at launch.

Somehow I doubt it will control well. The dpad seems to be in an uncomfortable position.

I read that Capcom worked with Nintendo to make sure the 3DS has a good d-pad. Hopefully that's true.

Besides, SF4 is very lenient with its inputs. It works fine* even with the 360 d-pad, and that thing is an abomination.

*Bison Ultra 1 excluded

Its not about the dpad quality. Its in an unergonomic postion.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 14, 2011, 11:59:06 PM
el oh el at thinking zoo keeper was a good DS game
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: cool breeze on January 15, 2011, 01:39:14 AM
did the DS launch in the states before Japan? I remember importing band bros a few weeks after I had my DS.  the multiplayer was like rock band before rock band was rock band...in beeps and boops.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 15, 2011, 02:23:47 AM
el oh el at thinking zoo keeper was a good DS game

beggars cant be choosers
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: magus on January 15, 2011, 06:17:55 AM
i tought that half effort was supposed to be zelda? ???
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 15, 2011, 06:55:15 AM
So many memories of shit games, Urbz, Sprung, Ping Pals and Rub Rabbits.

And Nintendo is launching with only Nintendogs+Cats as their first party title?
Title: Re: What are you playing?
Post by: Herr Mafflard on January 15, 2011, 09:21:23 AM
It's kinda funny and sad that the game i'm most excited for at the moment is the zelda port.
Title: Re: What are you playing?
Post by: magus on January 15, 2011, 09:51:40 AM
It's kinda funny and sad that the game i'm most excited for at the moment is the zelda port.

why not kid icarus? it's a new game made by someone with a ounce of talent
Title: Re: What are you playing?
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 15, 2011, 11:06:02 AM
It's kinda funny and sad that the game i'm most excited for at the moment is the zelda port.

why not kid icarus? it's a new game made by someone with a ounce of talent

Kid Icarus uses the same control configuration as Metroid Prime Hunters.  It all sounds good on paper until you have to play the game for more than 10 minutes.  I had shooting pains going up my hands during my time with hunters, and there was no way to play the game comfortably.  Kid Icarus really shoudve been a Wii game.
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Post by: Shaka Khan on January 15, 2011, 11:12:26 AM
It's starting to sound like you have deformed penguin flippers or something, emcee.

Add to that his creepy internet stalking habits, AND THE PUZZLE IS COMPLETE! :omg

I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 15, 2011, 11:13:36 AM
I remember the penny arcade duo mentioned similar things.  As well as many other people around the time of launch.  Essentially with your thumb on the dpad/slider and the index on the l button, that leaves your left over three fingers figuring out how to cradle the system as you poke it with the stylus.  It usually involves some weird palming with the meaty bottom part of the thumb. 

I DO have pretty bad manual dexterity though. Anytime I have worked in food service sliced cheese is my nemesis. Its so frigging difficult to separate the cheese from the paper.  I think I took an aptitude test in junior high which literally had a manual dexterity column that I did pretty bad in. Maybe this is why I like waggle so much.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 15, 2011, 11:18:07 AM
It's starting to sound like you have deformed penguin flippers or something, emcee.

Add to that his creepy internet stalking habits, AND THE PUZZLE IS COMPLETE! :omg

I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN.

My e-stalking is tame by most standards. I just wanna know people's names.  I don't hear you guys criticizing demi when HE does it.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: magus on January 15, 2011, 11:42:47 AM
Hunh, my hands didn't cramp up on Hunters.  It's starting to sound like you have deformed penguin flippers or something, emcee.

well to be fair i had problem playing with starfox... it's just a pain having to press the shoulder button constantly AND touching the touch screen
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 15, 2011, 11:42:54 AM
Nintendo knows they don't need a top tier Nintendo title - the 3DS will sell itself.

I got the DS on launch day with Super Mario 64 DS.  I thought it was a great game and it's a shame that it got shat on like it did.
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Post by: cool breeze on January 15, 2011, 11:44:57 AM
shooters on the ds weren't comfortable for me either.  I had to hold it on a way where my pinky and sometimes ring finger were wrapped behind the top screen keeping it balanced while I held the pen.  I didn't get hand cramps, but it wasn't as nice as just being able to use my thumb like on the iphone touch screen or just having a second stick.  I do have that thumb cap thing that came with launch units I used on occasion.

I'd imagine it is worse for lefties now.

In general I preferred DS games that are either touch screen or regular button layout.  I hated that in early DS games there were gimmicky touch screen controls like in Viewtiful Joe or Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow.  I like the touch screen and couldn't imagine playing games like picross 3d without it, but the 'obligation' to have touch screen controls was stupid.

and on the topic of DS failings that won't carry on to the 3DS, the uneven screen ratios, as well as different screen purposes (one 3D, one touch) means no more games like Yoshi or Contra where they make one tall screen.

well to be fair i had problem playing with starfox... it's just a pain having to press the shoulder button constantly AND touching the touch screen

I just used the d-pad in star fox.  I actually didn't have a problem with it because I was able to get a solid grip with my left hand.

did the DS launch in the states before Japan? I remember importing band bros a few weeks after I had my DS.  the multiplayer was like rock band before rock band was rock band...in beeps and boops.

Yep, it launched in the US first.

So really, its launch titles were:

    * Asphalt Urban GT (Gameloft)
    * Feel the Magic: XY/XX (Sega)
    * Madden NFL 2005 (Electronic Arts)
    * Mr. Driller: Drill Spirits (Namco)
    * Ping Pals (THQ)
    * Ridge Racer DS (Namco)
    * Spider-Man 2 (Activision)
    * Sprung (Ubisoft)
    * Metroid Prime Hunters: First Hunt (Nintendo)
    * Super Mario 64 DS (Nintendo)
    * The Urbz: Sims in the City (Electronic Arts)
    * Tiger Woods PGA Tour (Electronic Arts)

Either way, there have definitely been worse launches than both of them, particularly in Japan.  What is missing from both the DS and 3DS's launch titles that many worse launch line-ups have had is that one stellar, play-it-til-shit-gets-better title, which on Nintendo hardware is usually provided by Nintendo.  Unlike the DS, Nintendo couldn't even be arsed to put a half-effort like SM64 DS forward this time for launch.

ok, that makes sense.  I bought Mario 64 and Ridge Racer ( :-X) at launch.  First playing Ridge Racer on the PSP after my time with the DS version was like stepping out of a time machine.
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Post by: magus on January 15, 2011, 12:05:56 PM
People played Hunters long enough to get hand cramps ???
well the demo was free :teehee
Title: Re: What are you playing?
Post by: Herr Mafflard on January 15, 2011, 12:16:24 PM
I'm left-handed and Hunters felt pretty natural to control on the DS. Not quite KB/M levels, but as close as we're gonna get on a DS. In fact, i would argue that Hunters control scheme is better suited for lefties. Precision aiming using left-hand stylus, and right-hand firmly holding the DS, whilst firing using the R button seems natural.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: cool breeze on January 15, 2011, 12:16:41 PM
People played Hunters long enough to get hand cramps ???

I just remembered that I never did finish that game, or any other ds games that used similar controls (I played a bit of dementium and moon).  So that may be it.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 15, 2011, 01:36:29 PM
People played Hunters long enough to get hand cramps ???

It happens after like 10 minutes for me.

edit:
Starfox ds was just like Ninja Gaiden ds.  Full touch control supplemented with one button, and it could be any button on the ds.  It worked very well and it was very easy to find a comfortable playing postion. I liked both games and thought they controlled well.  Kid Icarus would be better served with a nunchuck setup based on what its doing.  I coulda swore Sora was supposed to be working on a wii game first, so maybe the project got moved.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: Shaka Khan on January 15, 2011, 01:42:44 PM
People played Hunters long enough to get hand cramps ???

It happens after like 10 minutes for me.

I'm telling you guys: SYMBIOS!
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 15, 2011, 01:44:50 PM
That was a fruitless google image search.
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Post by: maxy on January 16, 2011, 05:45:30 AM
via gaf

Johnathan Ross is hosting Wednesday event


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Writing on the ever growing social media site Twitter, Ross wrote “I have been invited by Nintendo to host a conference next week that gives out info on the 3DS. Tried it yesterday! Booyah!”

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Writing on popular social media site Twitter, Ross commented “What I can say about 3DS is that the 3D is far better than I would have thought possible without glasses. Can be switched to regular 2D!

Whilst he confirmed that he had only been playing on a prototype model, Ross had nothing but praise for the upcoming handheld having played a number of titles including Mario Kart.

He then went on to comment that “The games that seem to benefit the most are the driving and shooting games – the perspective makes it all feel more accurate.”

Having been queried as to the other selection of games he was able to test, Ross only teased “A few other faves coming as well – plus a few unexpected revivals!” Although, it is more than likely that the games that he was referring to have already been announced and was playing coy in case they hadn’t.

Finally, Ross revealed that he actually owned a Virtual Boy back in the day, writing “Remember the Virtual Boy?! I had one of those. Great looking but weird to play.”
:o

So what Nintendo game will be revived(ported) to 3DS?
"now in 3D!!!"

magus please answer
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Post by: Diunx on January 16, 2011, 07:38:12 AM
He is probably talking about kid icarus.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 16, 2011, 08:52:58 AM
That was a fruitless google image search.

That is because he went by Synbios459 aka DCwiz aka rater of the races.

NSFA:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/synbios459/synbios459/Me/SUNP0054.jpg

Edit: For some reason, it won't display.  Above is the link.
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Post by: Akala on January 16, 2011, 10:26:23 AM
DCwiz adds a bit of context.

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Post by: magus on January 16, 2011, 10:29:59 AM
clearly F-Zero X souped up port,it's the only one they have never done!

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Post by: iconoclast on January 16, 2011, 01:20:36 PM
A brand new *60 FPS* F-Zero would sell me on a 3DS.

Of course, knowing Nintendo it'll just be:
clearly F-Zero X souped up port,it's the only one they have never done!
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: maxy on January 16, 2011, 02:08:38 PM
First Japan shipment 400k

according to gaf(some Japanese blog)
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Post by: Beezy on January 16, 2011, 03:37:08 PM
People played Hunters long enough to get hand cramps ???
Multiplayer was cheesy, but fun.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 16, 2011, 05:05:33 PM
I can play a better version of it for free within five seconds online
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Post by: maxy on January 17, 2011, 12:04:58 PM
Quote
http://www.the-magicbox.com/1101/game110116a.shtml

Japanese weekly magazine Friday has posted an article about Nintendo's 3DS event in Japan last week at Makuhari International Convention Center in Tokyo. The magazine reviewed numerous visitors who played the demo of 3DS at the show. A majority of players said they experienced symptoms of dizziness within 10 minutes of playing. One 30 year old male said he played the Sengoku Musou Chronicles demo, the game feels good at the beginning, but in a few minutes he couldn't take the stereoscopic 3D visual anymore and turned it back to 2D mode.

Many users said viewing the 3DS screens in stereoscopic 3D made them felt a little dizziness and fatigue; some people said you can reduce fatigue by holding the machine in a fixed position. Over half of the people said 3D effects on 3DS will accelerate eye fatigue in a short time, at the beginning they look forward to 3D visual effects on 3DS, but they had to turn 3D effects off in the middle of gaming due to eyes fatigue.

http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/2256116.html
this is bound to blow up like crazy in media,just like anything else...although there is some truth to it





but there are some posts on gaf that made me laugh in these dark times(launch 360 R.I.P :'()

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I've been drunk since '96 so I doubt I'll notice any dizziness or fatigue.
:lol :bow2



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This is hilarious. Are those people tired of seeing real life in 3D?
Their eyes are CONSTANTLY seeing a different image that the brain puts together and this creates depth perception. Looking at a 3DS is no different that looking at anything else.
:rofl

 

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Post by: maxy on January 17, 2011, 02:10:57 PM
Euro event will be streamed live

http://live.nintendo3ds.nintendo-europe.com/ (http://live.nintendo3ds.nintendo-europe.com/)

3pm Central European Time
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Post by: Trent Dole on January 17, 2011, 02:30:24 PM
Yeah, why the fuck isn't there an F-Zero on the stupid Wii  ???
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 17, 2011, 03:59:36 PM
Fzero does not sell enough to justify its development.  It has depreciated in sales with every release until it was irrelevant.  Starfox will probably never see a new release either.
This is why paying attention to sales figures is important, people. 

edit: Best case scenario is that they do some cheapo digital distribution release, ala Excitebike wiiware.
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Post by: maxy on January 18, 2011, 03:45:45 AM
From EG

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Nintendo has told Eurogamer there is a "possibility" 3DS games from one region won't work when played by a 3DS from another region.

Here's why:

"Nintendo 3DS hardware is available in three versions: Japanese, American and European/Australian. Nintendo has developed different versions of Nintendo 3DS hardware to take into account different languages, age rating requirements and parental control functionality, as well as to ensure compliance with local laws in each region," a Nintendo statement explained.

"Nintendo 3DS also offers network services specifically tailored for each region.

"Additionally we want to ensure the best possible gaming experience for our users, and There is the possibility that Nintendo 3DS software sold in one region will not function properly when running on Nintendo 3DS hardware sold in another."

The statement added: "Guidance will appear on every packaging of Nintendo 3DS hardware and the accompanying software.If you are in doubt, Nintendo recommends that you only purchase Nintendo 3DS software in the region where purchased your Nintendo 3DS system."


 
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Post by: Vizzys on January 18, 2011, 04:01:14 AM
3ds is region locked, old news

nice bullshit pr explanation though its really about making more money, controlling the markets more, etc
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: magus on January 18, 2011, 05:54:21 AM
Fzero does not sell enough to justify its development.  It has depreciated in sales with every release until it was irrelevant.  Starfox will probably never see a new release either.
This is why paying attention to sales figures is important, people. 

edit: Best case scenario is that they do some cheapo digital distribution release, ala Excitebike wiiware.

but starfox is getting an upgraded port and it did get a DS iteration
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Post by: iconoclast on January 18, 2011, 05:56:27 AM
Sony makes games that don't sell all the time.

That might be true, but why make F-Zero and sell 200,000 when you can make Nintenbabbys and sell 20,000,000?
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Post by: Diunx on January 18, 2011, 08:50:43 AM
Sony is a cool company that cares about gamers, nintendo just care about selling games to your little sister.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 18, 2011, 10:57:48 AM
Fzero does not sell enough to justify its development.  It has depreciated in sales with every release until it was irrelevant.  Starfox will probably never see a new release either.
This is why paying attention to sales figures is important, people. 

edit: Best case scenario is that they do some cheapo digital distribution release, ala Excitebike wiiware.

Sony makes games that don't sell all the time.

Which is one the reasons they are in shambles.  Sony is an example of a company who didn't practice restraint or practicality, and paid dearly for it.  Nintendo has shown they studied the market very closely, capitalized on consumers who weren't being served, and ultimately killed certain franchises that weren't serving their needs nor the few hundred thousand people who would only buy it on clearance (fzero).  For the record, I like F-Zero, but I ain't gonna be mad when Nintendo or any other publisher kills a franchise that isn't performing.  Its a perfectly reasonable response.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on January 18, 2011, 11:03:18 AM
What's weird is that Sony keeps releasing sequels, even for franchises that aren't that popular.  It's like they think that people would get tricked into believing something's really good because it's gotten 2 or 3 sequels.  
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Post by: maxy on January 18, 2011, 11:09:18 AM
It's hard to push new IP this late,competition is strong.Sony throws lots of shit around and hopes that something will stick.PS2 strength was in third party games,so what to do when competition does everything better in that regard...they have no choice
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Post by: Shaka Khan on January 18, 2011, 11:13:00 AM
Well I guess thats the difference between caring for games, and caring for a company.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 18, 2011, 11:24:36 AM
Well I guess thats the difference between caring for games, and caring for a company.

I like the games Nintendo does make, even the Wii Noun stuff.
I don't see whats the problem with understanding why they don't pursue frivolous endeavors. The impression I get is that people get all butthurt when a franchise that isn't going to produce a profit doesn't get made.  Means you get to keep making games.

IMAGINE IF SEGA  HAD USED THIS BUSINESS SENSE.
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Post by: magus on January 18, 2011, 11:39:40 AM
you know how the saying goes
"better one day as a f-zero than a hundred as a wii music"
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: Shaka Khan on January 18, 2011, 11:43:05 AM
Well I guess thats the difference between caring for games, and caring for a company.

I like the games Nintendo does make, even the Wii Noun stuff.
I don't see whats the problem with understanding why they don't pursue frivolous endeavors. The impression I get is that people get all butthurt when a franchise that isn't going to produce a profit doesn't get made.  Means you get to keep making games.

IMAGINE IF SEGA  HAD USED THIS BUSINESS SENSE.

Which is why I consider die hard Ninty fans as the most sheepish out of the three. They usually allow Nintendo to dictate and control their gaming tastes. I personally don't conform to a multi million dollar corporation's standards of what's "in" or "out", and change platforms faster than I change my underwear.

Case in point: No single mature adult should acknowledge the Wii Noun games as brilliant "games" unless he's a shareholder, brilliant "products" from a bystander's view-point? maybe. Basically there are so many games out there worthy of your time and money, you just have to take the time and look past Iwata-san and Miyamoto-san's asses that are blocking your view.
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Post by: magus on January 18, 2011, 11:45:08 AM
well i liked wii sports when it got out.....

it was novel :-\

Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: maxy on January 18, 2011, 11:47:20 AM
well Nintendo made a lot of money this gen,they "could" waste a billion on something

The problem here is that Nintendo(Sega) money comes from gaming related stuff.MS and Sony are big,they have lots of money from different sources and they have an agenda when pushing console(dominating the living room,blu-ray,etc).Not saying that Nintendo doesn't have some (non)secret world dominating planes,but their money comes from games and gaming hardware.

Of course that should mean nothing for us here


Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 18, 2011, 11:58:25 AM
Well I guess thats the difference between caring for games, and caring for a company.

I like the games Nintendo does make, even the Wii Noun stuff.
I don't see whats the problem with understanding why they don't pursue frivolous endeavors. The impression I get is that people get all butthurt when a franchise that isn't going to produce a profit doesn't get made.  Means you get to keep making games.

IMAGINE IF SEGA  HAD USED THIS BUSINESS SENSE.

Which is why I consider die hard Ninty fans as the most sheepish out of the three. They usually allow Nintendo to dictate and control their gaming tastes. I personally don't conform to a multi million dollar corporation's standards of what's "in" or "out", and change platforms faster than I change my underwear.

Case in point: No single mature adult should acknowledge the Wii Noun games as brilliant "games" unless he's a shareholder, brilliant "products" from a bystander's view-point? maybe. Basically there are many more games out there worthy of your time and money, that is if you take the time to look past Iwata and Miyamoto's asses that are blocking your view.

Eh, if I think Wii Music, Wii Sports Resort, and Wii Fit are enjoyable products, I don't think that makes me immature by any measure.  No doubt I was attracted to these projects initially due to my bias.  That doesn't make automatic dismissal of those games a morally correct stance to take.  If anything they are a nice break from the male empowerment fantasies that have saturated the marketplace.  I agree that their quality is waxed upon hyperbolically by many a fanboy, but I feel the same way about, say, the Zelda franchise.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 18, 2011, 12:04:01 PM
I loved all the Sega arcade games and they didnt sell shit, if they made stuff like Segadogs I wouldnt have loved them in the first place.

And if Sega had the foresight to make a few games that would appeal to a mass audience, they might not have been bought by a pachinko company and would still be releasing those arcade games on a semiregular basis.  Now they might publish the occassional winner from Platinum Games, but you have to wonder how long that is going to last with bombs like MadWorld, Vanquish, and Bayonetta.  I bet the ex-clover guys are getting slapped hard by reality and are questioning if Capcom may have been in the right all along.
 
edit: I just want people to understand that a healthy company needs to kill off things you may love in order to survive. 
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Post by: Shaka Khan on January 18, 2011, 12:48:16 PM
Eh, if I think Wii Music, Wii Sports Resort, and Wii Fit are enjoyable products, I don't think that makes me immature by any measure.  No doubt I was attracted to these projects initially due to my bias.  That doesn't make automatic dismissal of those games a morally correct stance to take.  If anything they are a nice break from the male empowerment fantasies that have saturated the marketplace.  I agree that their quality is waxed upon hyperbolically by many a fanboy, but I feel the same way about, say, the Zelda franchise.

You were making a point about the importance of understanding the market, how it helps people to come to terms with the shortcomings of the only platform they own, and stops them from expressing disappointment or asking for certain games, which I find very sad.

Re: Wii Noun games:

I see nothing wrong with "enjoying" those games, but with the previous mentality and sheer focus on market trends some of those people's experience with the Wii Noun products gets altered/enhanced and thus their status gets upgraded from "passable/enjoyable" to "brilliant." Those poor products will end up satiating their gaming needs throughout an entire generation, which again I find very freaking sad.

Bottom line: stop being a sheep.

And that concludes today's session of stating the obvious.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 18, 2011, 01:28:08 PM

You were making a point about the importance of understanding the market, how it helps people to come to terms with the shortcomings of the only platform they own, and stops them from expressing disappointment or asking for certain games, which I find very sad.


I'm fairly certain Kosma doesn't own a wii?  Look man, this is all based on basic psychological principles. I used to be a severely depressed duder. I read some help books and realised a lot of what made me upset were factors outside of my control and, ultimately, made perfect sense when you thought about the world from a cause and effect perspective.  So in effect I'm not the kind of guy who is going to be mad the restaurant is out of whatever cheese I wanted, or that someone maybe forgot to check their blind spot in traffic, or some sequel to a movie I liked never got made, or someone said something I didn't like,  or some game franchise gets canned.  There is literally a valid reason for why everything does or doesn't happen.  Yet forum dwellers seem to possess a bloated sense of entitlement and think it makes sense for companies to cater to their needs exclusively.

And uh, there are many other games on the Wii, it's not like I play Wii Sports Resort every day.

By what idiotic metric is Bayonetta a bomb?  It exceeded SEGA's expectations by quite a bit.

And seriously - SEGA released more good games in 2010 than Nintendo did.  You really shouldn't be talking smack about them given your favourite company's pathetic slide into quality irrelevance, emcee.

I disagree about quality irrelevance, good sir.  But I don't feel like going into list wars.

edit: I don't remember the specifics, but I remember the npd in question revealed that Bayonetta sold no where close to its shipment numbers.  I had to argue with folks that shipping a huge number of copies to retailers (was it a million between europe and USA? genuine question) and not selling through them is not good for Sega.  Expectations can mean many things, and its often a smokescreen thrown out by pr folk.
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Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 18, 2011, 01:35:01 PM
Oh, and btw, I don't have a beef with sega. I'm sorry if that was the implication. I was sad that the dreamcast died, too.  Although the company that remains barely resembles its former self. 
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Post by: Shaka Khan on January 18, 2011, 01:50:28 PM
Oh, that post was mostly directed at you not kosma, I don't know why I kept saying "they."

And I wasn't asking you or anyone else to get mad or ape shit insane if your favorite restaurant is out of cheese or whatever, but have the balls to bail out when they stop serving your favorite food. Sticking with it hoping the chef will someday come to his senses, or forcing yourself into liking his new menu because he's a "genius"  is stupid.

I fucking hate stupid analogies and now I'm hungry. Good day.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 18, 2011, 01:52:50 PM
Eh, I don't feel like spending hundreds of dollars on a new console, I'm sticking to my guns.
Good day.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 19, 2011, 03:16:34 AM
And seriously - SEGA released more good games in 2010 than Nintendo did. 

:bow Alpha Protocol :bow2
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: maxy on January 19, 2011, 03:42:42 AM
today is the day,little more than 5 hours left

 :hyper
spoiler (click to show/hide)
:-\
[close]
At least it will be fun to read comments
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Post by: pilonv1 on January 19, 2011, 04:25:50 AM
Almost thinking of staying up to watch this. It is Nintendo
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: magus on January 19, 2011, 05:35:00 AM
today is the day,little more than 5 hours left

 :hyper
spoiler (click to show/hide)
:-\
[close]
At least it will be fun to read comments

5 hours left to what?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: maxy on January 19, 2011, 05:38:16 AM
Nintendo European 3DS event...price,maybe some new games,everything about 3DS launch

live streaming,blogs,etc
3pm in central europe

will make a new thread
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: magus on January 19, 2011, 05:41:49 AM
oh i see....

so... 300 euro bomba incoming? :teehee
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: maxy on January 19, 2011, 06:36:30 AM
Nintendo European 3DS event...price,maybe some new games,everything about 3DS launch

live streaming,blogs,etc
3pm in central europe

will make a new thread
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: maxy on January 19, 2011, 06:39:40 AM
yes
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 19, 2011, 07:14:05 AM
Xbox is 199 man.

Hundreds of dollars.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: The Sceneman on January 19, 2011, 07:31:24 AM
but you forked out for every single Wii noun game?

You can try and justify yourself all you want but at the end of the day, you are carrying the banana.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 19, 2011, 08:18:47 AM
but you forked out for every single Wii noun game?

You can try and justify yourself all you want but at the end of the day, you are carrying the banana.

I forked out for three.  There are more than three.  If I had copious amounts of money things would be different, but now I'm saving up for an ipod, which I think would be worth the hundreds of dollars for what it does, not an xbox.

~deal with it nerds~
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 19, 2011, 08:30:05 AM
An iPod? :lol

~dirty poor~
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 19, 2011, 08:31:39 AM
I want the new shiny one with a camera! Its gonna be so cool! 
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 19, 2011, 08:34:53 AM
You mean the Kinect slim bundle?
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 19, 2011, 08:35:50 AM
I knew you were gonna say that. I really did. 
But no seriously, I wanna get the nice 300 dollar model ipod thing.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 19, 2011, 08:38:36 AM
When my mom got bored with her Wii she got one of those too
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 19, 2011, 08:40:12 AM
When my mom got bored with her Wii she got one of those too

I'm so hurt. Ow.
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 19, 2011, 08:53:56 AM
Because I don't want an xbox ?  Is this hard to understand?  Sure xbla looks pretty cool, but uh, I can live without it. If I was gonna go hdconsole, it would be a ps3 anyway. 
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: Diunx on January 19, 2011, 10:28:26 AM
:bow
Title: Re: 3DS Chinese Connection(3D not mandatory,up to developers)
Post by: The Sceneman on January 19, 2011, 03:38:20 PM
:rofl saving up for a little baby ipod :rofl

Emcee obviously just isn't interested in games, which is fair enough. They are pretty shitty