You guys seriously need another trashpile thread? I already hid the disgusting cesspit that was the Other Forum thread. Ya'll niccas hate gurlz so much you need your own thread?who said anything about hating girls?
shut the fuck up already you boring dipshitAre you back to your Beaky ways of following people across multiple threads on the Bore?
who said anything about hating girls?
this is about the system that is currently in place and what it does to peoples psychology.
Using this to hopefully siphon off the derail in the relationships thread so it can get back to being fun anecdotes.
Putting aside the sludge of hurt feelings that underlies this hypothesis, I just don't understand how the math works on this.
shut the fuck up already you boring dipshitAre you back to your Beaky ways of following people across multiple threads on the Bore?
Didn't Opti put you in your place about doing that?
Shape up Beaky.
Harry TheBicepsFlexKilla was standing in front of the public library. Raindrops were slowly accumulating on top of his brown desert boots, which he had strategically chosen to match the color of his jacket. His mind and heart were so occupied in decoding the future that the figures of the strangers passing by gradually transformed into obscure streetlight shadows slowly entering and disappearing from Harry’s peripheral vision like muted ghosts.
Pushed by forces that you hear only when you set foot on the battlefield, Harry jumped on the first step of the entrance leading to the large building. The goal was to make himself look longer.
“The first impression is everything,” he thought.
His new height changed the view and gave him an opportunity to see a glowing waterfall formed by the rain and the street lamp. Everything was trivial and yet magical.
“This is it,” said Harry with his facial expression, lifted his chin and crossed his arms seemingly ready for whatever.
The night advanced. The rain intensified and transformed the dark trees around into a percussion orchestra by hitting the dying November leaves as if they were drums. Harry’s sleeves were getting heavier by the minute, but he didn’t want to hide.
“There is time. Traffic and all… I have to stay here for her to see me,” rationalized Harry in an attempt to calm down the reality-induced corrosion loading in him.
The sound of heels hitting the ground reached Harry’s ears, and he quickly turned his head to the left. The movement was subtle and yet it revealed in detail the emotional whirlpool inside of him.
“Back in 1988…I was a soldier…,” said an old homeless man in dirty boots to anyone listening. His words were clothed in a rusty, whiskey timbre. He slowly left Harry’s sight while taking away the sound of heels punching the pavement with him.
“There is still time. Traffic and all,” said Harry.
He remained at the same place and limited his movements because he wasn’t particularly enthusiastic to hear the humidity level report prepared by his skin.
Unknown minutes later, he unzipped his jacket and took out his smartphone to see the time and to acquire the silhouette of a “normal” modern person. His ego was tired of inhabiting a man looking like a loser meditating under the rain.
It was late… so late that Harry wished he didn’t know how to read the time.
“Maybe I should go?”
Harry’s smartphone addiction pushed through. He instinctively went through his screens and saw the gallery app. He pressed on it by habit. The pixels united and formed a digital image of his date before him – she was beautiful and thankfully not fat.
“There is still time. Traffic and all,” said Harry and put the phone back in his pocket.
Through a human eye, the rain appeared full of guilt but couldn’t help itself and embraced Harry until every trace of hope drowned.
10 days later, Harry saw her on his way to the gym (deadlift day). “A small world.”
The woman was with another man – taller and more handsome than Harry.
Conversely, she was different from the picture. Pimples missing from the original report were covering her face whereas her clothes appeared strangers to a washing machine and style. Yet she was with someone seemingly extracted from the higher stratosphere. This image stood with Harry throughout the whole workout.
“Why,” thought Harry while ripping off the heavy barbell off the floor.
“Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy”
Feminism and Social Media = A Combination from Hell
I was born before the Internet…before the PC. I remember the early, primitive days. Back then, women were not nearly as interested in technology. Many considered the computing machines a zone reserved for male nerds incapable of obtaining sexual experiences.
The situation didn’t change much when the PC acquired colors other than black, white and green. It didn’t change when the Internet hit the world either.
Yes, women began to use the computer to download entertainment, mainly movies and songs, but this kind of addiction is neither as obvious nor as criticized. After all, the TV had already been injecting the veins of the modern humanoid for quite some time.
The real change took place when MySpace entered the online realm. This was the turning point.
I don’t know what MySpace is today, but in the beginning, it was a social network similar to Facebook. The main difference was that the user had more control over the design of his or hers personal page. There were themes and various settings to play with. Every profile was different, unlike Facebook which looks like a database and gives you close to zero customization options.
I had the chance to see the effect of MySpace on women from the first row. A family member of mine became addicted to MySpace. Tuning her profile turned into a part-time job. If she was in front of a computer, she was on MySpace.
This form of MySpace faded, but the new social media and the smartphones sealed the deal by building and maintaining the digital weapons and infrastructure needed to capture the female population.
Today, women are more than addicted to social media and phones. Texting female zombies have become the norm. In most cases, they are on Facebook, Messenger or Instagram. (The younger generations also play with juvenile stuff like SnapChat.) Many women would rather get a divorce or quit their job than delete their social media accounts.
Why are women so addicted to social media?
Social media addiction has four pillars.
1. Welcome to Charlie’s Dopamine Factory
What’s dopamine?
Let me answer your question with questions.
Do you know that feeling when you head-shot someone in CS:GO? That’s dopamine.
Do you know that feeling when you receive the text message or the e-mail that you have been waiting for all day? That’s dopamine.
Do you know that feeling when the courier calls you to give you a parcel? That’s dopamine.
Do you know that feeling when nattyornot.com releases a new article or a book? That’s dopamine.
It’s not a secret that the goal of every app, game, website, movie, book…etc. is to generate as much dopamine as possible within you. The more dopamine there is, the harder it becomes to let go and do something else. There are even companies that specialize in strategies designed to render digital products even more addicting by increasing the production of dopamine.
The collaboration between the social media and smartphones results in a highly efficient dopamine factory. Notifications in all their forms (ticks, vibrations, sounds…etc.) are incredibly addictive. I would even say that they are more effective than video games because you link them to real life events and opportunities. Winning a game may be fun, but your subconscious knows that it’s not real. This is not the case when it comes to notifications since they relate directly to sex, love, friendship, money, fame and status.
2. Ego Satisfaction
What is the ego? One of the definitions would be – others’ perception of you. In other words, an element that dictates almost every action that people make.
Since social media allow you to alter the way other humans see you in a very effective manner, it becomes easy to join the party and never look back.
3. Constant validation
Social media platforms are capable of providing constant validation. Hearing how pretty and cool you are never gets tiresome.
Guess, what? The average woman receives a hundred times more validation than the average man. Just click on the profile picture of a random woman, and you will see at least 50 likes and many comments suggesting that she is magnificent beyond belief.
Ironically, that’s often the case even when the person in question does not fulfill the definition of the complimenting adjectives.
One time I saw the profile photo of a girl that was simply ugly. Maybe it was just the photo…maybe not…most likely not, and yet the army of positive comments was there. The same happens to men too, but not nearly to the same degree, for women are less likely to compliment a man. Positive comments from your buddies may be cool, but we all know what we really want – female attention.
In women’s case, the source of that constant validation are usually other females, white knights (sexist males who worship women while remaining blind to their imperfections) and other forms of horny men whose desire to penetrate is making them hallucinate.
4. Power
Dating apps, sites and their unofficial form known as social media gave women an opportunity to hurt an incredible amount of males (and females for the matter) directly and indirectly. Inflicting pain is a source of power in itself and could be very addictive. It is hardly a surprise that women are reluctant to give up the throne. Once you’ve experienced luxury, going back to the kingdom of the poor hurts even more.
Those four pillars result in social media addiction of the highest order.
The Side Effects
The female power online created dynamics that will be studied by future generations in psychology and history classes. That’s how massive the changes have been.
Which segment do you think has mutated the most?
Of course, it’s the dating world.
Back in the day, people looking for love online were considered freaks, weirdos and cowards. This is no longer the case. You can find all kinds of individuals online – from beggars to princes.
Flirt websites and especially apps such as Tinder have had the highest impact on dating because they created an infrastructure allowing women to easily connect with various categories of potential lovers.
Online dating gave women power of a magnitude so great that even they are scared of it sometimes.
Women dictate things online for the following reasons:
1. There are more men than women online.
More men are willing to make an online dating profile because:
a. Men are rational and put an emphasis on efficiency.
b. It’s seemingly easier to meet someone online, although it rarely turns out to be the case.
c. Men don’t receive as many offline offers as women. If you are a woman that gets hit on 5 times every time you leave the house, the incentive to participate in online dating is smaller.
d. Most men have a higher sex drive than women because testosterone is one hell of a hormone.
You may think that the high percentage of males online means that men dictate the rules of the game, but you are forgetting a few details.
First, the keyword is online.
Second, those men are competing against each other directly.
Third, when a commodity of any kind is available in great quantities, its price usually drops, for there are many options.
If for every woman online there are 20 men, the value of a single proposal decreases significantly. Why would anyone cry over you when there are 20 more just like you ready to take over?
2. Some Apps and Dating Sites are Sexist
Some dating apps and sites are free or at least cheaper for women whereas men always have to pay for the nice sexy features – kind of like the clubs that allow women to enter without paying anything. If that is not sexist, I do not know what is.
3. Texting
This one is huge.
Thumb communication a.k.a. texting altered the way people communicate forever. Undoubtedly, there are some benefits to texting, but without discipline, convenience always turns into imbalances and suffering.
Texting, coupled with the online dating dynamics, provided women with great power because of its casual and accidental properties.
In the past, there was no texting. If you wanted to ask out a woman, you had to do it either in person, through friends, in a paper later or on the phone. What will she say? There are three possibilities. Yes, no, some other time (which is a no). Texting does not offer a completely different answer, but it does not require a fast response – a very important characteristic.
Women love that. She can answer whenever she wants, and if you pressure her to text you back faster or with more precise wording, you will receive the label “loser with no life.”
Females often rely on texting to profile you. The exchanged words and their timing have a double meaning and contain different forms of tests. Silence is also a test. Many women love to leave you hanging in order to see how you will react. Of course, the outcome of those tests depends on how much they actually like you. If they are really into you, you will get away with bad answers or may not even be tested. If they are hesitating about you, the wrong behavior will earn you a rejection.
Another option that only texting provides would be the almighty – no answer/ignore mode (which is a no). This property is a great feature for the modern heart-breaker. She doesn’t even have to say anything whereas women of yesterday had to have the guts to actually reply unless we are talking about a love letter.
Of course, men can technically use the same options, but more often than not, they find themselves on the receiving end. Only the princes (rich and/or pretty boys) are strangers to this treatment.
“Why isn’t she texting me,” said Harry while looking at his phone on the way back.
There are two main reasons why a girl is not answering after a sufficient amount of time has passed.
1. She is dead…or injured.
2. She doesn’t want to.
By the way, she didn’t forget about you. But even if she did, do you really want a girl that “forgets” about you?
Texting = Efficiency?
People say that texting is efficient, but this is rarely the case. The proper word would be informal – two different epithets.
Why would you complicate things? Why would you write a novel on your tiny phone when you can just call and acquire more information in 3 minutes? Sounds inefficient to me. Guess, what? Women don’t care about efficiency as much as men do. Or should I say that they have a different definition of that word? Texting simply suits their natural desire to play mind games and avoid direct confrontations/answers.
Even Ugly Women Get To Ride the Ferrari
I read this part which explains a lot and then i was going to blast you on this until you reminded me that you're gay. Why am i even having this discussion with you? You didn't read the second link so you don't know what i'm talking about and plus you're a goddamn queen so you won't relate to any of this.
seriously, you don't notice we're all basically in the same threads :lolYeah but have some class. Don't follow someone across different threads foaming at the beak.
But Mandark made it for me :uguu
Lulz you didn't even make this thread, soyboy.
dude, you do realize (i thought you were going to realize after seeing the titles of those minibooks) that a lot of it is for humor, exaggeration, and kind of pointing out the obvious that most people know (and a younger generation may not know)I read this part which explains a lot and then i was going to blast you on this until you reminded me that you're gay. Why am i even having this discussion with you? You didn't read the second link so you don't know what i'm talking about and plus you're a goddamn queen so you won't relate to any of this.
Because I'm engaging you in an actual fucking discussion instead of clowning you like I just did the first half of your stupid-ass article. :yeshrug Happen to want to dissect your red-pill bullshit, because Rah was deep into that incel koolaid as well and realized that maybe he was the problem?
so when do you estimate this change came about where women elites and white knights and fegs and feminist entitlement really took over the whole social scene?
is it a date that should live in infamy like when GamerGate started?
The female power online created dynamics that will be studied by future generations in psychology and history classes. That’s how massive the changes have been.
"well, damn, everyone at Uni that pulls ass looks racked up"
dude, you do realize (i thought you were going to realize after seeing the titles of those minibooks) that a lot of it is for humor, exaggeration, and kind of pointing out the obvious that most people know (and a younger generation may not know)
i mean, this isn't him doing a full on analysis of the dating scene with numbers and charts. only at the end is there some relevance to the site itself, and actual good advice for many young boys coming into the age of "well, damn, everyone at Uni that pulls ass looks racked up"
you guys talk about etoilet and Opti having no chill but all of you get triggered over the slightest shit.
There's nothing easier than pulling girls away from flimsy boys. Seriously, nothing is easier."well, damn, everyone at Uni that pulls ass looks racked up"
Do you live in some Revenge of the Nerds universe? Or any other 80's flick? That would explain everything. :point
The complaint boils down to something like "social media makes straight women believe they are more desirable than they actually are, which makes them feel entitled to date only the best guys."
But if those guys are willing to date them, then those women aren't delusional, and the market is working fine. If they fail to land one of those guys, that's information received via their dating apps correcting their misperception. I don't see an obvious scenario where the presence of social media and online dating will give women sustained delusions about their status.
This is all a problem even when you're conceding the very PUA-ish assumptions implicit in the framing.
However, the market may adjust itself eventually. More and more women are starting to realize that at the end of this game, they don’t win much either. Sure they drive their Ferrari for a while, but many females are left in a terrible condition once they get older. Their handsome lovers simply go for younger girls .
:lol stalker beaks never learnsshut the fuck up already you boring dipshitAre you back to your Beaky ways of following people across multiple threads on the Bore?
Didn't Opti put you in your place about doing that?
Shape up Beaky.
Right?:lol stalker beaks never learnsshut the fuck up already you boring dipshitAre you back to your Beaky ways of following people across multiple threads on the Bore?
Didn't Opti put you in your place about doing that?
Shape up Beaky.
I imagine him sitting there in front of his laptop smoking a joint, he sees me or opti post, whips his dick out, and just starts whacking it, and the more he sees our posts the more he feverishly jerks it.
like why do you think this is different from how it's been for like...i dunno at least 50 years or so?It hasn't been like this for 50 years. The difference between the U.S and almost any other country i've been to is night and day. Especially somewhere in say, South America. Dating sites are a thing here but not like it is there. Mainly because the girl/guy ratio favors men. There's many more females than males here. And the big difference isn't exactly the market aspect. It's about the psychological aspect of it all, and the biological differences between males and females and the impact it has.
why am i not surprised the guy who tracks down my pictures literally fantasizes about me jerking offWell, if your other Beak is as fabulously large as the one on your face then
I imagine him sitting there in front of his laptop smoking a joint, he sees me or opti post, whips his dick out, and just starts whacking it, and the more he sees our posts the more he feverishly jerks it.
How often do you visualize this?
One would think that only beautiful female specimens enjoy the mentioned privileges, but this simply isn’t true. Remember what I told you about quantity? The more there is, the less it costs. Well, the opposite is also true. The less there is, the more it costs.
Since the higher echelons of hot girls can connect with males carrying the “rarest blood types” through social media, plenty of average and even far above average men are left on the battlefield where they have to fight for females from the lower leagues.
Unsurprisingly, men’s sexual hunger and desperation force them to lower their standards. As a result, ugly and average women receive a lot of attention from males far prettier and more sophisticated than them.
Honestly, the only requirement for a girl to receive attention from guys above her level is to not befat…very fat. This is especially true online.
The competition becomes even harder when the princes realize that their princesses are high maintenance women and start going for the “village girls” who are not as pretty or as sophisticated but far less bitchy… at least in theory.
Would You Buy An Inferior Model When A Better One Is Available For The Same Price?
You are buying a car. There are two options – a Volvo station wagon with no air conditioning and a Ferrari. The price is the same. Take your pick.
Allow me to explain.
Social media gave women a huge pool to choose from.
HarryTheBicepsFlexKilla says hello, but so does Jeff – The Movie Star.
Who do you reply to? Enough said.
I guess you are familiar with the 80/20 rule. It has been in the cheesy posts and books of many positive thinkers. Well, it comes in many forms. One of them says – women want only 20% of the men. The rest 80% are not welcome. Social media and dating apps catalyzed the manifestation of this desire and turned the 80/20 rule into the 95/5 rule – women want only 5% of the males.
Feminism Says It’s All Good
Feminism has convinced many women that their gender makes them entitled to everything. When social media and feminism united, they created a monster – an irrational woman without a desire to be self-critical. The modern feminist woman thinks that she is immune to doing wrong and swims in a sea of self-righteousness. When you add the classic female irrationality and men’s desire to enter any woman that is not fat, the societal imbalances become even stronger.
I Will Just Get Bigger
How is this connected to muscle construction?
There’s a strong connection, actually. Men start lifting weights for three reasons – to impress women, to earn applause from other men and to feel better. Fat powerlifters may feed you theories about strength and barbell affection, but they would be lying to you. Yes, your motivation may evolve somehow over the years, and the ego frequency may be lowered somewhat or changed, but this doesn’t change the initial intent.
The average beginner joins the fight against gravity to acquire a body similar to Jeff Seid’s or Simon Panda’s so that horny girls lick his abs in public too.
Sooner or later, the illusion shatters. The lifter learns that his goal is impossible to acquire naturally. The dream body that is all over Instagram is the result of drugs and nothing but drugs. Regardless of the training routine or diet, the lifter fails to get even close to the so-called “penetrate me now physique”.
The muscular celebrities are seemingly enjoying the greatest pleasures that a man can experience while the average looking natural male resides in the dirt. Consequently, the natty male becomes bitter and starts to feel isolated, humiliated and misunderstood.
This isn’t helped by the fact that women expect you to look like a cover model when you tell them that you lift.
Because of this scenario, many boys start taking steroids. Therefore, women indirectly force men to roid up. Of course, the feminists will deny this because they are always innocent and will gladly state that this is a man’s choice, and yet many of them love the fitness model look and enjoy it in large quantities when it’s available during the right time of the month.
Ironically, many of the same feminists frown when you tell them to lose a few pounds.
What a monster you are…
Social Media Promote Roid Users
The majority of the muscle constructors who enjoy a great exposure and online fame are not natural. A coincidence? Hardly.
There are two main reasons for this phenomenon:
1 .Big Muscles = More Attention
All content online is fighting for your attention. Every site, app and digital company want to steal some of your time. Obviously, someone looking like a cartoon character would attract more eyes than a nerd doing 20 pull-ups.
2. Promotion
Many muscle superstars are walking advertisements supported financially by the big companies.
All of this results in a muscle cartel muting the naturals while giving a huge microphone to the roid users. Since people spend a ton of time online, their perception of a natural muscular body shifts significantly.
Will this ever change?
Yes, but it won’t be soon. The so-called “hookup culture” will stay here for a while because the elite benefits from it. Besides, the infrastructure is already in place and operating in a stable format. The goal is to make money and spread cultural propaganda by destroying the family unit while hiding behind a democratic shield – “we are just providing more choices.”
However, the market may adjust itself eventually. More and more women are starting to realize that at the end of this game, they don’t win much either. Sure they drive their Ferrari for a while, but many females are left in a terrible condition once they get older. Their handsome lovers simply go for younger girls or settle down with a female that isn’t as promiscuous because as old-fashioned as it may sound – some people want their partners to be faithful.
As far as the muscle world is concerned, nothing will change unless something better than steroids presents itself.
“What could it be? Maybe steroids without side effects,” says the dreamer.
Sorry but no, bro.
There is an old saying in pharmacology – if a drug has no side effects, it’s probably not working.
You cannot have something for nothing because the world is dualistic. The existence of a “good thing” requires the existence of a “bad thing” by default.
Ultimately, the scheme is serving the system fairly well. It’s been in place since Weider and Hoffman’s time, and nothing has broken so far. If it’s not broken, don’t fix it…right? Well, it isn’t.
Every year a generation of boys turns 17 and types “big muscles” in Google, hoping that 100 push-ups are the key to a physique capable of dragging women into a state where tearing your clothes is a priority of their existence.
The dynamics at place are so strong that even if the big companies publicly tell the truth themselves, the naive millennial boys still wouldn’t believe it.
FAQ: What do you mean by “a destroyed family unit”?
You are probably familiar with the quote – United We Stand, Divided We Fall. On a micro level, it applies to the family unit. Divided families (constant arguing, mind games, lies and cheating between the family members) are the system’s favorite because it’s much easier to extract resources from someone when he/she doesn’t have a strong back. A simple example would be a kid/young adult taking a loan from a bank instead of his family.
Conversely, strong educated families are the system’s biggest problem, for they are hard to push into a labyrinth full of false heroes and values
But do women really like big muscles?
Big muscles have never been a requirement to get girls. A nice physique helps but the rest of the appearance matters more. A guy may have a great body, but if his other metrics (money, status, looks, character) are unsatisfying, he will not attract a horde of raving females. A young Brad Pitt with a fat gut would get a million time more girls than your average bodybuilder.
However, since many of those metrics are essentially 100% genetic, men focus on the values that can change (the physique) and enter the Game of Muscle where a vicious cycle of lies created by the industry waits for them.
Women appreciate greatly the physiques of fitness models, but the muscle samurais that enjoy the largest amazon attention are doing well on other fronts too – they are relatively handsome and have coins for days. Meanwhile, plenty of muscle heads remain repulsive to women regardless of their big arms and chests. Why? Because they lack social skills, status, money or are simply unattractive in general.
The World Has Never Been More Visual
Looks have always been important, but social media increased their importance even further by filtering out everything else. The screen only shows the digital image of a person. Therefore, many feel obligated to enhance their photos artificially. This is how strong the pressure to have a “decent” presence on social media has become among the youth.
Even the older generations are affected by it. I’ve seen mothers and even grandmothers checkout the Instagram profiles of potential candidates for the “hearts” of their daughters and granddaughters.
This, my friends, is one of the many mechanisms that destroy the average natural male. Those are the current dynamics of the social natural selection. For better or worse, they are here to stay for a long time, although the model is simply not sustainable forever, for it is based on urges and decisions that often lead to long-term pain. Nonetheless, I personally don’t expect a change soon.
Why Are You Doing This?
“How should I change to attract more women?” is a question that often finds itself in the head of the male. As always, the truth is on the other side of the bridge…the one requiring you to cross a fire.
The right question is – how should I change to become better and live a more fulfilling life?
Changing for women may start a transformation, but it cannot sustain it. As I told you in Potential, this is quick buck motivation – it starts the fire but doesn’t keep it. Long-term motivation requires a different mindset.
Besides, women come and go. You, on the other hand, never leave yourself. Build a castle for you, not for them. Otherwise, they will control you even more.
In other words, don’t do it for the girls. Do it for you.
Never forget that women often remain blind to the sacrifices you make for them.
When men decide to inject steroids to attract women, they are making a decision that will have a tremendous impact on their whole existence.
Don’t think for a second that some woman turned on by your muscles is capable of appreciating or understanding the work required to sculpt a high-end physique. She thinks you got there by playing on the monkey bars while drinking beer with your buddies.
Is the sacrifice worth it? Will the change be positive?
Who knows? Some may become the equivalent of a modern-day Arnold (unlikely) whereas others will remain fragile drama queens hiding behind a shield of muscle while trying to fix everything by upping the dose (likely).
“My arms are 16 inches now. I need to take them to 18, and the sluts will love me,” says the Dreamer.
Sure thing, bro. Two inches on your arms will fix every problem in your life.
The truth is that men use muscles and steroids to trick their minds into giving them confidence.
“I am big now,” says the Dreamer and walks as if he owns the metro station.
That same confidence could become a reality through other forms of work and validation that may be more beneficial in the end.
The choice, however, is yours.
Once again – don’t make changes for them; do it for you.
And what about her? What was she doing while HarryTheBicepsFlexKilla was waiting for her in the hug of the rain?
She was walking on the main street with steps full of hope and body language suggesting a rendezvous with a breathtaking experience.
Buzz-buzz-buzzzzzz….
Her phone vibrated and transmitted its movement to her skin and then into her heart. She reached into her pocket while her six sense was whispering “It’s him.” as if those vibrations contained a different kind of kinetic energy separating them from all other notifications.
She started the app and looked at the screen while filtering out the world around her.
“I’m here ;D,” had written Jeff – a tall, handsome, muscular specimen with magical blue eyes leading to another world – a world where she wanted to go.
“I’ll be there in a minute,” she wrote, and one of those grimaces that people acquire upon receiving the right words on their digital devices took over her face.
She was about to put back her phone when another message with the same content imported itself on her screen.
It was from Harry.
“Oh. I forgot to cancel with him,” she thought while muting his number with a detached expression.
Guilt? None. She was simply doing what was best for her. In her mind, she deserved it. She didn’t know why, but she knew that she did.
And that was all that mattered to her…
The competition becomes even harder when the princes realize that their princesses are high maintenance women and start going for the “village girls” who are not as pretty or as sophisticated but far less bitchy… at least in theory.
So basically, I could've saved time, our derailing of the other thread would've been mostly over and mostly on topic so I wouldn't have wasted time reading this and really, most of this is sour grapes and InCel bullshit. Don't even try to disagree, because you know it's true.I mean, you could always just ignore him. This stuff doesn't seem worth your energy.:idont
So basically, I could've saved time, our derailing of the other thread would've been mostly over and mostly on topic so I wouldn't have wasted time reading this and really, most of this is sour grapes and InCel bullshit. Don't even try to disagree, because you know it's true.I mean, you could always just ignore him. This stuff doesn't seem worth your energy.:idont
Hey, He actually discussed shit without me reading this article before hand. I only read it because he whined that I didn't read it. So in good faith and to prove that I can put my money where my mouth is, unlike his stupid ass: I wasted my time. :yeshrug
No big deal, that match I was going to watch didn't happen. Shit sucks, life goes on. Assy is still an idiot and the world continues to turn.
Ok, first calm down. Second, let's go through some things that maybe you don't relate or don't actually know exist to be a problem.
Really, what we need is not so much an "hide threads" function but a "hide poster" function since so many of y'all think you have to continue to deal with assy mcshitforbrains in good faith.
A guillotine for the digital realm.
Nah, that would be my next extension for The Bore: Super Ignore.
Feminism is toxic.
Because I have the free time. :yeshrug
That said when he actually doesn't link shit and actually is open to discussion, he isn't that bad. He's an idiot, to be sure, but at least he can somewhat articulate his points if he doesn't go "just read the article ffs."
He's a little off on that one or at least the way he wrote it. Maybe he meant how there are 'christain grey' scenarios but the reasons he gives aren't accurate.Quote from: one of the articlesThe competition becomes even harder when the princes realize that their princesses are high maintenance women and start going for the “village girls” who are not as pretty or as sophisticated but far less bitchy… at least in theory.
See, this is what I'm talking about.
He's saying that as the top guys become disenchanted with the best looking women because of their personalities, those guys will go after other women, giving those women even more choices and leverage. Except there would be a corresponding decrease in the leverage of the best looking women, which he doesn't acknowledge.
This is just bad modelling, where you shift demand from one market to another, only you never subtract it from the first one, so you end up double-counting.
You're not understanding my point.I get your angle, you're tackling it from an economic perspective. And i already said i agree with you. He's wrong.
1. Ugly women and men should be respected, no one is saying otherwise. The point was the power dynamic has skewed so heavily on the female side that there is a huge imbalance. Most relationships (and this has been shown to be true multiple times, maybe still not hardcore fact, but there has been results showing) are successful when the female is slightly more attractive than the male. Relationships that fall on the flip side tend to be problematic. Don't quote me on this as fact, i have read some studies that show this, and i also believe it to be true.
2. Amongst many men the discussion of "marry the average girl" happens. I had a buddy that always proclaimed the virtues of the magical 7s. I know it may sound silly to you, this "locker room bro talk" but yes a lot of guys talk like this amongst themselves.
3. 95/5 rule applies to a lot of cities in the U.S. I'm sure it's brutal for a lot of these guys out there. I know an ex is now a doctor in a big city, and she's a good looking girl. She won't even accept a date from a guy that aren't in the top echelon of bachelors in the city. You may call me salty, but you know what? Guys don't work like that. That's why you see stories of Christain Greys going for goofy attractive cute girls. There's some truth into those silly narratives. Most guys don't care about a woman's status, or where she comes from.
4. Feminism is toxic. Feminism+social media is downright a revolt. I'm sorry but i agree with it 100 percent.
5. "natty" is a term associated with instagram/youtube fitness personalities. Natty means Natural, are they natural or on substances? And so yes social media, the world of fitness personalities do promote roid abuse especially amongst younger males now. Why? because everything is visual. We already know what happens when you look at a certain form that is promoted constantly, your mind starts to alter. Boys looking at these guys that are shredded think that's attainable with a good diet and working out, and it's not. A ton of these people fake their physiques.
Ok, you can say well 'assy' women dealt with this for decades with the false image of rail thin models and i agree but the psychological nature of men and their constant thirst, and strive for female accolade will drive a higher percentage of them to roids than women did to vomiting in the toilet.
yeah some of this stuff is "no shit sherlock" but the context in which it is placed and how it's written makes the issues of datingapps/social media have a broader connection with some issues today that you may not be aware of.
Assimilate should read Pride & Prejudice so we can get a thread where he flips out at Bingley marrying the prettiest Bennet sister, because the system ofI refuse to like this post on long-standing principle regarding that book/miniseries. :hmphsocial mediahosting balls gave rural women access to rich bachelors from London.
2. Amongst many men the discussion of "marry the average girl" happens. I had a buddy that always proclaimed the virtues of the magical 7s.wow, the gaming review scale has infiltrated the dating scene too
Found this on esquire which links to this study here -> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1740144516304624
OH NO YOU FUCKING DON'T. You don't get to post bullshit like this and not back it up. [Citation Needed], in other words.
They found that in instances where the man was less attractive he was likely to compensate with acts of kindness like presents, sexual favours or extra housework. They saw a pattern, in that this made women happier and feel more appreciated, therefore strengthening the relationship.
Commenting on the study researcher Tania Reynolds said, "The results reveal that having a physically attractive husband may have negative consequences for wives, especially if those wives are not particularly attractive.
I'll have to disagree here with you from the sheer fact that we're seeing movements like 'incels' pop up now.
1. I don't disagree with the 95/5 rule.
2. However I call bullshit on it being "mountains harder" for men. There is no "power dynamic here." A lot of the men that crash and burn have your mindview (see below) or when Rejected become like Rahx (#NoTNoShade) and go "fuck women, they're a bunch of whores!"/sour grapes and can't understand that maybe their attitude and not their looks may be the problem? :idont
Oh christ. Ok, so you are an InCel ("But, I have a girlfriend, bro!" Yeah, because people can't totally fucking lie on the internet). Good to know.Coming from a gay man with your own cross sectional issues in the LGBTQ community i really don't give a fuck what you think. Feminism, and the entirety of this culture is toxic and you will eat your own tails.
I disagree. And if that's true, that's really fucking sad. If men are chasing "gains" for the sake of pussy, then the whole world is irredeemably fucked and I welcome our future alien overlords to nuke us from orbit. Both sexes in heterosexual relationships (from reading the Relationship thread here and Atra's strike-outs often) need to get the fuck over themselves already.It's a problem for both females and males, but for the first time in history i think it's a bigger problem for males than females.
So in a way, I agree that social media may be a problem. But I disagree on it being the social media alone.Of course it's not social media alone.
The guy who wrote those articles is fixated on natural bodybuilding and specifically how it compares against guys who use steroids. Just look at the archive (http://nattyornot.com/archives/) from that site.Yes mandark i pointed that out multiple times
So tying steroid use to social media is mostly a result of his own fixations. Also I'd say that site explains a lot of how he views dating.
To be fair i put it on for a few min, no laughs, i turned it off. I give everything a shot.spoiler (click to show/hide)Although at least with it being a miniseries (multiple actually) we might actually be able to get Assy to maybe pay attention to it. He watched fucking Nanette after all despite what I quoted from that article. :doge[close]
This thread nearly makes me feel embarrassed to be a man.This is for you and all the White Knights out there
I refuse to like this post on long-standing principle regarding that book/miniseries. :hmph
That reminds me, my muscle cartel membership expires next month, have to steal some 7s from some Natty's to re-up.
@Assimalate what is your girls number?
Found this on esquire which links to this study here -> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1740144516304624
OH NO YOU FUCKING DON'T. You don't get to post bullshit like this and not back it up. [Citation Needed], in other words.QuoteThey found that in instances where the man was less attractive he was likely to compensate with acts of kindness like presents, sexual favours or extra housework. They saw a pattern, in that this made women happier and feel more appreciated, therefore strengthening the relationship.
Most relationships (and this has been shown to be true multiple times, maybe still not hardcore fact, but there has been results showing) are successful when the female is slightly more attractive than the male. Relationships that fall on the flip side tend to be problematic.
The relationship between women’s objective physical attractiveness and their dieting motivations and behaviors may depend upon their social environment—specifically, their romantic partners’ attractiveness—such that less attractive women with more attractive partners may be particularly motivated to diet.
I'll have to disagree here with you from the sheer fact that we're seeing movements like 'incels' pop up now.
Coming from a gay man with your own cross sectional issues in the LGBTQ community i really don't give a fuck what you think. Feminism, and the entirety of this culture is toxic and you will eat your own tails.
It's a problem for both females and males, but for the first time in history i think it's a bigger problem for males than females.
Of course it's not social media alone.
4. Feminism is toxic. Feminism+social media is downright a revolt. I'm sorry but i agree with it 100 percent.social media has probably hindered feminism, of both the type we all agree on and the type that you think is bad and the type that even most here will agree is bad, rather than strengthening it
From the site: Is Roid Rage Real? A Steroid User Tried To Steal My Sandwich (http://nattyornot.com/is-roid-rage-real-a-steroid-user-tried-to-steal-my-sandwich/)He can be pretty funny.
My bad i thought i did https://www.esquire.com/uk/life/news/a17209/women-happier-uglier-men/
You link the study but not the actual article you're linking from. :thinking This study is talking about dieting habits.
InCels are popping up because 1. no job market or hopeless despair. The 2008 recession massively screwed with the younger generations adult lives, and a lot of the younger men either don't bother trying to get a job (why should I? My gap in employment is too big) and live at home with their parents ("so why should I move out? They aren't kicking me out.") Which feeds the InCel movement. ("Women should grovel at my feet because I'm awesome and a male!")First, i don't think they think they're awesome. Second, isn't that a point to be sympathetic? That's a lot of people. Add in social media, instagram, the fake image of success and body physique and you have a recipe for disaster. And we're seeing it with depression levels, suicide levels rising.
Ok, so we both agree it's not social media. But where we disagree is where the "InCel" movement pops-up. You think it's squarely on the womens shoulders. When I disagree with that. Women themselves are not the problem and the fact that you think "independent women" are a problem because "they get thrown away by men going for younger women" (oh hey, proving my point here...) " and then wallow in despair." Speaks volumes about why the InCel movement is happening.No i don't think that. It's definitely a combination but since i was in the relationship thread and i posted that directed at Atra that's why we're talking about it.
All valid points but i see the feminist movement succeeding in some large areas.4. Feminism is toxic. Feminism+social media is downright a revolt. I'm sorry but i agree with it 100 percent.social media has probably hindered feminism, of both the type we all agree on and the type that you think is bad and the type that even most here will agree is bad, rather than strengthening it
i mean, even on forums as woke as GAF/ERA and despite the threat of a ban looming, you still have people trying to split hairs about what is or isn't feminism...and a lot of that is driven by what they imagine as a stereotypical "feminist"
the democratization and leveling of the internet allows non-elite voices to challenge or respond to or send death threats to even the most elite and extreme voices of "feminism" in a way that wouldn't have happened 20 years ago, the fact that TumblrInAction can be something so large and so known that its drama finds its way into more mainstream outlets is both a strong counterargument to your fears and something i think even many opponents of that worldview can appreciate as opening a broader access to the debate, no longer do people have to rely on an elite like Phyllis Schlafly to present their counterargument against what they view as negatives or extremes of the feminist movement writ large, they can publish their own incoherent bitching about it even if it effectively falls into a void
Daddy P is an example of this even though he's technically already an elite, minus 25% for being Canadian, he was essentially a nobody and now he's a media celebrity and we get his views on fucking everything, and it mainly stems from his conservative reactionary positioning against a "social studies" position he felt was being adopted as law, and in certain circles even people as non-elite as Dave Rubin, Milo*, Sargon and NotOurBoogieTheNaziOne are treated as if they are cultural and social critics of some esteem
*depending on what stories of his you buy, he may or may not have a traditionally elite background
(i definitely do not while most of you do)
Yeah, very hard to find portrayals of strong, independent men these days.We were talking about the feminist message and manipulation but ok?
Representation matters!
There's nothing easier than pulling girls away from flimsy boys. Seriously, nothing is easier.
Oh i refuse to date an american girl. so i don't run into these problems.QuoteThere's nothing easier than pulling girls away from flimsy boys. Seriously, nothing is easier.
Seems to be hard for you though, or you wouldn't rant about feminism and entitled women :doge
All valid points but i see the feminist movement succeeding in some large areas.This stood out to me because of the examples you used. I think this is a very strong personal bias from your particular circumstance that you're foisting onto the United States and "American women" perhaps too much.
Just recently F1 removed Grid Girls, FIFA is now talking about not showing pretty girls cheering for their country on camera, and there is nothing shaming 'men' all over tv.
Feminism is a thing in the west in general, that's why we're seeing it even in FIFA and F1.All valid points but i see the feminist movement succeeding in some large areas.This stood out to me because of the examples you used. I think this is a very strong personal bias from your particular circumstance that you're foisting onto the United States and "American women" perhaps too much.
Just recently F1 removed Grid Girls, FIFA is now talking about not showing pretty girls cheering for their country on camera, and there is nothing shaming 'men' all over tv.
F1 and FIFA are increasingly popular in the U.S. but their governing bodies, their majority "elite" fanbases, etc. are all Yuropean. These aren't American cultural reactions.
NASCAR and the NFL would be more ideal because of their strongly limited to America popularity, and both have shown strong resistance to social and cultural movements of the "social studies" variety in recent years at the top levels, etc. even as they increasingly gain and pursue female audiences though symbolism like wearing pink or whatever. Players taking a knee was practically a fucking national crisis. And the owners responded by trying to stop it despite its entirely benign nature. And they can more or less corral the media into their position because of the broadcasting agreement strangleholds.
Regarding TV, at least in the sitcom world, the dumb, often less attractive and fat husband with the smart, sassy and sexy/attractive wife has been a trope for decades. Even a show with as deranged morals as Always Sunny presents Sweet Dee as the only one having anything even remotely approaching normal relationships or recognition of other people as more than tools. (Thankfully, her as the "voice of reason" above it all was abandoned so that they could all descend into human garbage together. She still remains the only one of the gang to ever say something is wrong, even if usually it's to quickly to assert her own deranged vision more to her advantage/liking.) Yet it's hard to say many of these shows are actually pushing a feminist or anti-male point of view deliberately or with the intent of massaging society, rather they're actually reflecting a society that simply won't accept fee-males in those roles as easily. Elaine on Seinfeld similarly to Sweet Dee had to remain just a hair above the guys in most things. In some of the sitcoms where they stick to this trope but then start to subvert it by showing the wife is almost as bad, she almost always remains better than the husband when it comes down to it. For real subversion of the trope you have to go back to something like I Love Lucy, and Ball literally owned that show and its sequels that maintained her in that role. And her character was still the "star" of them, much like the men/husband usually are in the more modern sitcom period.
Re: feminism in pop culture, a simple thing to do would be just apply the good old Bechdel Test to stuff, and then apply a gender-swapped version.I'd prefer a test created by someone with actual qualifications, like for one, being a male. :snob
I'm not sure the kneeling is really too much of a different topic from the standpoint of evaluating "social studies" pressure on the larger media and cultural environment. Sure, in theory it's a "smaller minority" but it definitely got outsized play beyond the "direct" minority. Transgender bathrooms. Everything gays in general. These all blow up beyond the size of the group directly affected.
All women certainly don't subscribe to the "crazy feminism" variety, let alone larger campaigns of specific subsets.
When your dating examples are all things that were common before and you're simply arguing an unmeasurable increase in this, I don't think we can extend it to social media. And when your media examples are still distinctly Yuropean in comparison to America, I'm not sure they're good examples to draw an American picture, let alone use as supporting an argument of increased feminism run amuck in the States to where women are simply out of control dominating men.
My longer paragraph was basically just looking at examples of sitcoms to pick a random TV genre and noting that they haven't changed much in decades in their weighting of men characters and female characters, and that real "feminist subversion" of the traditional popular tropes dates back to I Love Lucy.
Now you may in fact be correct about all this, but I'm mainly taking issue with your limited perspective being applied broadly. Especially when most of us still here in America are disagreeing with the nature of the feminazi beast. Maybe because we're all beaky lieberals, but maybe not.
You guys seriously need another trashpile thread? I already hid the disgusting cesspit that was the Other Forum thread. Ya'll niccas hate gurlz so much you need your own thread?who said anything about hating girls?
this is about the system that is currently in place and what it does to peoples psychology.
And think of the message it sends.
"here ladies, you deserve better. you're a princess, the greatest thing on this earth, now you have the power to choose amongst allll these mennnnn"
for pushing 'equality' these bitches sure do love the script being flipped.
Based on very little information but by the sounds of it, whatever the fuck it is yous are discussing has been intentionally created to obfuscate truths.
Based on very little information but by the sounds of it, whatever the fuck it is yous are discussing has been intentionally created to obfuscate truths.
You're right, the niche bodybuilding blog NattyorNot.com is probably controlled opposition.
Good looking out.
Based on very little information but by the sounds of it, whatever the fuck it is yous are discussing has been intentionally created to obfuscate truths.
You're right, the niche bodybuilding blog NattyorNot.com is probably controlled opposition.
Good looking out.
Why is my reasoning removed from context?
Based on very little information but by the sounds of it, whatever the fuck it is yous are discussing has been intentionally created to obfuscate truths. There is a major incongruity between caring about the psychological impact bestowed onto people through their actions and using the context of dating/picking up girls as a framework.
If you were championing psychological freedom, the realisation that even worrying about dating/picking up chicks becomes irrelevant, because you are free.
And think of the message it sends.
"here ladies, you deserve better. you're a princess, the greatest thing on this earth, now you have the power to choose amongst allll these mennnnn"
for pushing 'equality' these bitches sure do love the script being flipped.
Bumble isn't telling women to be choosy, biology has already done that (sperm is cheap, eggs are not). Men find it easier to be attracted to a woman.
(https://cf.girlsaskguys.com/a29285/4d2fb916-89e9-4a17-b134-9d2477072ee9.jpg)
Let's not even get to non-physical attractiveness.
Men aren't as choosy, on average, even the most attractive men, so they use a shot-gun approach to contacting women on dating sites.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/hs5g77.png)
This leads women to be overwhelmed/annoyed by having hundreds of men contacting them, especially if they're considered the most attractive:
(https://www.tinderseduction.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Tinder-messages-received-comparison-okcupid.png)
And if a woman doesn't respond to every single guy, she will receive some nasty follow-up messages.
Solution: Bumble?
There is no room for incel bullshit. It is an extremely poor response to a usually bad series of experiences. In my experience people can be extremely ruthless and inconsiderate while online dating. I have had a girl that would not stop texting me for days until she learned that i was infact middle eastern and not white and abruptly stopped texting me. Another one was extremely enthusiastic for dsys until the second we met. Regardless of sample size it is understandable that a series of degrading experiences results in bitterness for either sex. "Not all girls " will simply not resonate well with a person who has had a good experience ratio of 1 per 25. It is also true that in some instances whether it be physical apperance, mental illness, disability etc... reframing the problem and self improvement may not lead to success. The truth of the matter is that the game feels like bullshit to some of us and under the pressure of it being an essential normative lifegoal , a combative irrational recoil is predictable. I feel like men that want to go their own way, that simply rather not play the game shouldnt be shamed unless they exhibit the sexist behaviors that MGTOWs are known for. Yeah the game sucks for some of us, you can keep trudging on and i will encourage you but hey i get it if you want out and want to find other avenues of satisfaction in life. I mean i am not pointing fingers, the relationship thread had been largely supportive.
I think some of you are missing the crux of the argument. It's not about individual people, it's about the system .
can someone tldr me this thread i'm curious but not that curious and I want to make fun of people tooBasically, in the relationship thread i linked two pieces of content from a satirical writer that normally writes about muscle construction and steroid use with other aspects of life such as online dating in relation to Atra's experience with the Tinder app.
The big mistake is that the dudes on the forum are just too old for that kind of bait. You want people to show up to your pity party, find out where the angsty 20-year-olds are.
To add to Mandark's good summary, there's this weird internal contradiction in the proffered argument that the system has changed and its bad but the system can't correctively change again because reasons. (Probably because acknowledging "things change" undermines the whole Chicken Little routine.) This falls pretty flat to someone like me who can remember a time when spousal rape wasn't a crime in all 50 U.S. states and is currently living in an era with things like #MeToo.
you seem so unhappy all of the time
Don’t think for a second that some woman turned on by your muscles is capable of appreciating or understanding the work required to sculpt a high-end physique. She thinks you got there by playing on the monkey bars while drinking beer with your buddies.
Is the sacrifice worth it? Will the change be positive?
Who knows? Some may become the equivalent of a modern-day Arnold (unlikely) whereas others will remain fragile drama queens hiding behind a shield of muscle while trying to fix everything by upping the dose (likely).
So this is where you all went.QuoteDon’t think for a second that some woman turned on by your muscles is capable of appreciating or understanding the work required to sculpt a high-end physique. She thinks you got there by playing on the monkey bars while drinking beer with your buddies.
Is the sacrifice worth it? Will the change be positive?
Who knows? Some may become the equivalent of a modern-day Arnold (unlikely) whereas others will remain fragile drama queens hiding behind a shield of muscle while trying to fix everything by upping the dose (likely).
I regret creating Dudebro as much as Al Gore regrets creating the internet at this point. :fbm
Why are you guys arguing over social media when cosmo and other magazines did this "feel good, you worth it girl" thing and inflating the readers ego since like forever? It's also been there long before the militant feminists had any time in the spotlight.You're not wrong..
What the fuck is this thread even about? Bottom line is though that if you feel that women are putting themselves on a pedestal then the thing that guys would need to do would be to stop acknowledging and accommodating that behavior and the situation would pass. If dudes go with it and shower chicks with attention only to turn into incels then that's pretty much their own grave that they dug up. It's insane to expect people not to take advantage of having more choice in better looking partners.
In reality, the system has created a seemingly nurturing environment for the modern Western woman in order to benefit from the club effect.
The club effect works like this: the owners of discos, bars, restaurants and other establishments for “acquaintances” know very well that men go there for the pussy allegedly waiting for them. If you bring in women, you will bring men eager to buy things too because the male penis has an extremely low IQ.
The same mechanism is integrated in many social manipulations – once the women are infected, the men tailor their behavior and mute their instincts to remain “likable”. If you don’t believe me, try talking about any of this on a date and see how well it goes for you. She will immediately think that you are “creepy” (a favorite word of most females) and a negative/toxic person who doesn’t deserve her precious company.
You are much better off focusing on the latest movies, ponies, cats, dogs, pop music, clothes, mainstream sports, CrossFit and tolerance talk than saying how you really feel about this world.
Dates are auditions. In the past, the women were tested just as much, but today, it seems that men enjoy most of the criticism because women have too many options thanks to the digital realm which devalues men. My interaction with modern women has confirmed that many of them behave like you owe them something whereas their contribution is never questioned.
The purpose of the initial screening is to determine whether you are one of the weirdos. If you show the slightest signs of negativity or a non-mainstream detached worldview, you will lose points unless you have the physical attractiveness to redeem yourself. Male models and actors like Brad Pitt can get away with talking about whatever they want. The average guy cannot.
Naturally, men adapt to the requirements and accept the role designed for them by the system because the pain of being a sexless recluse and socially rejected is substantial and can destroy one’s mind and motivation to continue forward.
What the fuck is this thread even about?
What the fuck is this thread even about?
I already wrote one summary, c'mon.
You are much better off focusing on the latest movies, ponies, cats, dogs, pop music, clothes, mainstream sports, CrossFit and tolerance talk than saying how you really feel about this world.Maybe because most of those are more interesting topics than immigration laws or depression.
Depends on the age i think. I find that most males in their later 20s ,if they aren't complete pop culture losers (normally those types don't even go on dates) actually do like to discuss various topics but they know they cannot.QuoteYou are much better off focusing on the latest movies, ponies, cats, dogs, pop music, clothes, mainstream sports, CrossFit and tolerance talk than saying how you really feel about this world.Maybe because most of those are more interesting topics than immigration laws or depression.
Turn that around for a change. Imagine if women brought up riveting topics such as:
Periods, ageing, hemorrhoids and the risk of breast cancer. Wouldn't make for a very lively talk now, would it?
99.999% of the people probably don't really care how you 'feel' about the world. At all.
People like to discuss FUN TOPICS. My god, somebody give this guy the Pulitzer.
You quoted my post, but you didn't actually reply to it.
I think some of you are missing the crux of the argument. It's not about individual people, it's about the system . Human psychology didn't change, the system was created around it, to pick out the worst of the worst nature in both human beings. To some of you boy geniuses out there this may be soooo obvious, but it wasn't obvious to anyone that was around the internet during the very beginning of social media and dating apps. We thought "wow more choices" or "wow i can talk to a woman from across the country" and in the beginning it was like that, it was innocent, exciting, fresh.
Now, it's a manipulation game. A total fucking ruse. It's built this way on purpose. Major app developers know this, some of them are even trying to actively fight against it and change it's ways somehow. If it's even possible to change, i don't know.
Also, this writer writes incredibly satirically, the fact that some of you can't even pick up on that is scary. Like, REE fucking scary.
QuoteIn reality, the system has created a seemingly nurturing environment for the modern Western woman in order to benefit from the club effect.
The club effect works like this: the owners of discos, bars, restaurants and other establishments for “acquaintances” know very well that men go there for the pussy allegedly waiting for them. If you bring in women, you will bring men eager to buy things too because the male penis has an extremely low IQ.
The same mechanism is integrated in many social manipulations – once the women are infected, the men tailor their behavior and mute their instincts to remain “likable”. If you don’t believe me, try talking about any of this on a date and see how well it goes for you. She will immediately think that you are “creepy” (a favorite word of most females) and a negative/toxic person who doesn’t deserve her precious company.
You are much better off focusing on the latest movies, ponies, cats, dogs, pop music, clothes, mainstream sports, CrossFit and tolerance talk than saying how you really feel about this world.
Dates are auditions. In the past, the women were tested just as much, but today, it seems that men enjoy most of the criticism because women have too many options thanks to the digital realm which devalues men. My interaction with modern women has confirmed that many of them behave like you owe them something whereas their contribution is never questioned.
The purpose of the initial screening is to determine whether you are one of the weirdos. If you show the slightest signs of negativity or a non-mainstream detached worldview, you will lose points unless you have the physical attractiveness to redeem yourself. Male models and actors like Brad Pitt can get away with talking about whatever they want. The average guy cannot.
Naturally, men adapt to the requirements and accept the role designed for them by the system because the pain of being a sexless recluse and socially rejected is substantial and can destroy one’s mind and motivation to continue forward.
He's so spot on it's sickening.
blah blah blah, yeah it's mostly true....until you get to late 30s/early 40s then the tables flip.Yeah, another reason why the system is broken for both parties in the end.
I wouldn't want to be a woman trying to find a date then. :nope
Well, I think that this whole thread is confused between hook ups and relationships. Yeah, hook ups are stacked in favor of women with online dating. Yes, it does inflate egos of people that probably shouldn't have a chip on their shoulder. But hook ups != relationships. Yeah a 5 or a 6 might be able to consistently land 9s and 10s for hook ups, but good luck keeping them. In general I think hook up culture could be a positive thing to let people explore, but it seems a lot of people take that to mean that's what relationships are now. And that's just not true.I look at some of the girls i know that fell into the vicious cycle of online dating and social media. They're all decent women, now in their early 30s, struggling to find a meaningful relationship? How is that possible? Well, these same women always thought they were too good for the majority of guys on their level. They always felt entitled to more. Now if that happened then, when this whole industry was barely starting out, i can't imagine now.
Even as someone with no success, I don't really feel like what you're saying is true. You're entire thing basically leads to the idea that like only the top percentile of men are getting all the women. But I'n my experince you're average non instagram thot looking girl is dating/hooking up/whatever with everyday good looking guys. I mean millions of people are dating and having sex, how do you explain that? Most women I know have boyfriends. Most women I know no mater what rating they are hit on by tons of guys. Sometimes it works. At this point I don't really think there is any rhyme or reason to this stuff.you haven't really been paying attention now have you? if you stick with tinder long enough you will find someone for yourself, but only after you have lowered your standards a bit, and at times considerably (if you are male seeking female).
Flannel, everything you say is legit.You talk as if online dating is all there is and all there will be in the future.
I think the point is that the scales have tipped too far to one side and given the biological natures of the sexes, this isn't going to work out.
you haven't really been paying attention now have you? if you stick with tinder long enough you will find someone for yourself, but only after you have lowered your standards a bit, and at times considerably (if you are male seeking female).this depends on your standards, and would be the same in every other aspect of dating/relationships
Like i said i don't know how it will self correct in the future. It could be this all changes things for the better. But online dating isn't all there is yeah but social media is still there playing a factor in a females psychology.Flannel, everything you say is legit.You talk as if online dating is all there is and all there will be in the future.
I think the point is that the scales have tipped too far to one side and given the biological natures of the sexes, this isn't going to work out.
Now correct me if i'm wrong
well he's partly right, in that college girls do connect with other people through social networks like most everyone has always, he just seems preoccupied with only the social networks that are online and thus corrosive to the sustainability of society>:(
Are there any dads wanking here or no
i mean, this just seems similar in extreme extrapolation from small sample sizes to your ranting about the dangers and terribleness of gaming simply because you got overly obsessed with the first Titanfall and your mom plays Candy Crush or whatever
people attacking them for a video put together by the organizer.Are there any dads wanking here or no
https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/1020216326537842690
Hey Mandark, you asshole, I wouldn’t have known the depths of Assy’s shittiness if you didn’t make this containment thread since I ignore the relationship thread. Your containment thread had the exact opposite effect it was supposed to have. I hope this revelations makes you reevaluate all your other ideas since they may be just as flawed.
Hey Mandark, you asshole, I wouldn’t have known the depths of Assy’s shittiness if you didn’t make this containment thread since I ignore the relationship thread. Your containment thread had the exact opposite effect it was supposed to have. I hope this revelations makes you reevaluate all your other ideas since they may be just as flawed.
What people and where because the people here are laughing at whoever put that video togetherwas talking about the comments section on that tweet
That's cool because literally no one else was. Could you answer the muscle hipster question or are you already too sidetrackedi'm not sure what a muscle hipster is so how can i answer it?
Your argument is basically that since something has always been, it's not social medias fault that it's a problem now while ignoring the fact that these problems are far bigger than ever before precisely because of social media.No, it's not, my argument is that you're not presenting any evidence that it's a problem, let alone because of social media, just simply bitching about something you've experienced and extrapolating it into a global crisis because it's now on the internet too.
For example - the bodybuilding scene. I got into working out at a young age, some friends were obsessed with lifting, but those were very small condensed groups of guys. Guys that had to make the effort to go to the local 7-11 and pick up the weekly issue of muscle mag or whatever. It took dedication, and to even begin this obsession it took a set amount of circumstances for someone to fall into the scene.Thing you're upset about from your small experience -> the internet democratizes and levels access to it and you still hate it -> therefore we're at a societal crisis and the only path is galactic disaster.
But now with social media apps like instagram, youtube, which is all about the visual message you get 1000000x fold more people happening to fall into this obsession. Have you any idea the proliferation of instagram/youtube fitness personalities that has popped up in the last 4 years? They're numbering in the thousands now. it's big business.
This growth has come with the negative side effects that yes have always been there but is now more prevalent and a much bigger problem than before.
Hey Mandark, you asshole, I wouldn’t have known the depths of Assy’s shittiness if you didn’t make this containment thread since I ignore the relationship thread. Your containment thread had the exact opposite effect it was supposed to have. I hope this revelations makes you reevaluate all your other ideas since they may be just as flawed.
*Starts making 'Kubrick Appreciation Thread' that's actually just block quotes from Maps of Meaning*
The whole thing boils down to "These women think they're so great, but they're not!"
Even if it was true, why worry so much? When you're not even in the dating pool?
Boy G, this isn't an evaluation of my dissertation at BoreU. Chill.Your argument is basically that since something has always been, it's not social medias fault that it's a problem now while ignoring the fact that these problems are far bigger than ever before precisely because of social media.No, it's not, my argument is that you're not presenting any evidence that it's a problem, let alone because of social media, just simply bitching about something you've experienced and extrapolating it into a global crisis because it's now on the internet too.
For an example, your next three paragraphs:QuoteFor example - the bodybuilding scene. I got into working out at a young age, some friends were obsessed with lifting, but those were very small condensed groups of guys. Guys that had to make the effort to go to the local 7-11 and pick up the weekly issue of muscle mag or whatever. It took dedication, and to even begin this obsession it took a set amount of circumstances for someone to fall into the scene.
But now with social media apps like instagram, youtube, which is all about the visual message you get 1000000x fold more people happening to fall into this obsession. Have you any idea the proliferation of instagram/youtube fitness personalities that has popped up in the last 4 years? They're numbering in the thousands now. it's big business.
This growth has come with the negative side effects that yes have always been there but is now more prevalent and a much bigger problem than before.
Thing you're upset about from your small experience -> the internet democratizes and levels access to it and you still hate it -> therefore we're at a societal crisis and the only path is galactic disaster.
That's cool because literally no one else was. Could you answer the muscle hipster question or are you already too sidetrackedi'm not sure what a muscle hipster is so how can i answer it?
A hipster about weight lifting, because you seem upset that your hobby is now something easily accessible and you seem jealous of the ease of access people have to weight lifting advice and programming as compared to the old days when you picked up muscle mags from 7/11 like a normal young boy.
I think the line of reasoning is that information technology has made things much cheaper and easier to access, which both spreads their use and makes it easier to get into a pattern of addictive behavior.
And because instagram does something to the "psychology of females" this spills over into the dating scene.
I still don't think the math works out.Let me answer this first.
If women are consistently able to date men that ought to be "above" them, this is either because of a massive surplus of straight men vs. straight women, or the person doing the evaluating things men are inherently more attractive than women.
Maybe there is a surplus on Tinder etc, but that just means there's an arbitrage opportunity for guys willing to put in the work of meeting women in person.
Can you explain the effects of social media on the dating scene in neutral language?The second link i posted already detailed it. Why do i have to do it again?
The whole thing boils down to "These women think they're so great, but they're not!"I've answered this multiple times.
Even if it was true, why worry so much? When you're not even in the dating pool?
Anecdotally I’ve dated younger women lately and they were practically LudditesShut up cats, no one wants you and your cats.
Following me? Sorry i keep assuming everyone that engages actually did some effort in following the discussion.They did, they're just doubting the urgency and magnitude of the problem you believe to have identified.
I could be wrong. I'm not debating that but i don't think so. The amount of male frustration is at all time highs (from what i observe) in the U.S. Where i'm at, in South America, there is none of that male aggression and bitterness.... yet.Following me? Sorry i keep assuming everyone that engages actually did some effort in following the discussion.
They did, they're just doubting the urgency and magnitude of the problem you believe to have identified.
If the main problem is caused by the gender imbalance on dating apps... just try to date women outside of those apps, because by definition there are more women than men not using them? Like I said, it's an arbitrage opportunity.It's one of the main issues. The online realm just makes it worse.
Fair point. He writes in a very critical and self-loathing type of way, it's part of the humor.
Being openly bitter and self-pitying used to be good game, now thanks to tumblr and the snapchat dog filter, women will think you're weird.
If the main problem is caused by the gender imbalance on dating apps... just try to date women outside of those apps, because by definition there are more women than men not using them? Like I said, it's an arbitrage opportunity.It's one of the main issues. The online realm just makes it worse.
what?If the main problem is caused by the gender imbalance on dating apps... just try to date women outside of those apps, because by definition there are more women than men not using them? Like I said, it's an arbitrage opportunity.It's one of the main issues. The online realm just makes it worse.
I'm saying the offline imbalance by definition creates a reverse imbalance in offline spaces, so if dudes aren't pursuing women there, where it would be easier, that's on them.
I just banged a feminist a few hours ago so I don't see the problem.
Which is probably why you shouldn't over exaggerate women being more selective on dating apps and websites into this insane, anti-masculine conspiracy :idont
Guys, woah woah woah woah. This nothing what i'm saying. I'm sorry Stro, i figured you might have read the links that started this whole thing so i assume you're on the same page.
This has nothing to do with me. I'm talking about the negative effects of social media. The bodybuilding example is one where many younger males fall into this idea that they can achieve the same physique as those of their youtube fitness celebrities. They can't, because it's an illusion, a manipulation, 99% of them (the popular ones) take roids. This is the negative side, which was still there during my early adulthood because NO ONE on the cover of those magazines were natural.
Sorry i keep assuming everyone that engages actually did some effort in following the discussion.
what?If the main problem is caused by the gender imbalance on dating apps... just try to date women outside of those apps, because by definition there are more women than men not using them? Like I said, it's an arbitrage opportunity.It's one of the main issues. The online realm just makes it worse.
I'm saying the offline imbalance by definition creates a reverse imbalance in offline spaces, so if dudes aren't pursuing women there, where it would be easier, that's on them.
Why do i think i'm hot shit? I know my level, i know what i can pull or not. I don't over punt my coverage.Guys, woah woah woah woah. This nothing what i'm saying. I'm sorry Stro, i figured you might have read the links that started this whole thing so i assume you're on the same page.
Popping in to say: Your links are a waste of time. That's why nobody reads them.
That aside: The Esquire article was interesting (though I don't completely buy it and the study's conclusions). So thanks for that.QuoteThis has nothing to do with me. I'm talking about the negative effects of social media. The bodybuilding example is one where many younger males fall into this idea that they can achieve the same physique as those of their youtube fitness celebrities. They can't, because it's an illusion, a manipulation, 99% of them (the popular ones) take roids. This is the negative side, which was still there during my early adulthood because NO ONE on the cover of those magazines were natural.
You must know some really weird teenage boys, because the majority of them are either internet nerds, video-gamers, or into sports (which would fit your "brainwashed to be muscle-y" opinion). The vast majority of them are not going to pump iron for women, and if you truly believe that, you're crazy.QuoteSorry i keep assuming everyone that engages actually did some effort in following the discussion.
And I feel bad because Mandark made this thread because I wanted to discuss this with you when your entire point is "social media distorts women's views and makes them think they're more hotter than they are." Which (I'll give you a semi-point. Ok? You have a semi-point there) is pretty bullshit. Because conversely, we could take your mindview of yourself being a complete and total chad (and this is an exaggeration here, because nobody here thinks this) and say that's based on... who knows, whatever the fuck you want to base it on. The point is, you view yourself as hot-shit when really: You're not. :yeshrug
So really, this whole discussion has me and you agree on some points (because I can see how shitty dating apps are for both sexes on hetero- and homo- sexualities), but vastly disagreeing in views because you (like Rah before he finally started to get it into his head) have this distorted opinion on what women should be/do when they aren't the fair maidens you thought they'd be.
(Full disclosure: I haven't even caught up in this thread. I'm telling you this based on what we were discussing before I threw in the towel)
Now that aside: I don't disagree that women hitting their 30's have a problem finding men. But that's been the case long before the internet. You might disagree on that, but I don't know what to tell you. The "cat lady" stereotype is part of this.what?If the main problem is caused by the gender imbalance on dating apps... just try to date women outside of those apps, because by definition there are more women than men not using them? Like I said, it's an arbitrage opportunity.It's one of the main issues. The online realm just makes it worse.
I'm saying the offline imbalance by definition creates a reverse imbalance in offline spaces, so if dudes aren't pursuing women there, where it would be easier, that's on them.
TL;DR:
1) Online: Men > Women in terms of numbers. Thereby making it harder for men to find women.
2) Offline: Women > Men in terms of numbers/places/things. Thereby making it easier for men to find women.
"Reverse imbalance" may be what is throwing you off. But his point is: If you can't beat the men (pause) online, you should try offline because most women now a days may not expect that. But that brings up another discussion about how to approach women offline in the age of dating apps/etc.
If a lot more men than women use dating apps, then more women than men don't use dating apps.This can't be proven by any of us empirically so shut the fuck up.
This can be proved with an abacus.
If a lot more men than women use dating apps, then more women than men don't use dating apps.This can't be proven by any of us empirically so shut the fuck up.
This can be proved with an abacus.
Whar are the stats on buff dudes to back up this idea Assimilate?I don’t even know what we mean when we say buff. Do we mean like muscle bound freak ripped or simply in shape? I don’t see muscle bound freak guys honestly with what I would consider super hot women.
Because I've spent much of the last 40 years looking around for buff dudes to check out and I haven't noticed much of a difference in buff dude density.
Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina.
see, that's an observation i'd say you were right about. You don't see muscled freaks all ripped with hot girls, you see them with other ripped girls.Whar are the stats on buff dudes to back up this idea Assimilate?I don’t even know what we mean when we say buff. Do we mean like muscle bound freak ripped or simply in shape? I don’t see muscle bound freak guys honestly with what I would consider super hot women.
Because I've spent much of the last 40 years looking around for buff dudes to check out and I haven't noticed much of a difference in buff dude density.
I see them with muscle bond women probably because they are into the same type of lifestyle.
At the end of the day I just think taking under this seriously is pretty stupid.
I will say I completely agree with you that "male body image" has changed a lot over the years, but it happened before social media and honestly I'm not 100% sure it really contributes that much specifically.i guess it depends on where you go, live, etc. i agree on the nerdy fucks though, they're everywhere now.
I noticed about 15-20 years ago on TV the "bring out ripped shirtless dudes while chicks whistle in the crowd" shtick became rampant on TV shows; sort of a backlash to the typical "bring out half naked chicks while the dudes jeer" shtick that is still not uncommon.
Then of course there's movies/movie stars and Hollywood in general. You had Stalone and Arnold in the 80s of course so it's nothing new necessarily, but the sheer amount of movie stars that now look like HGH freaks is off the charts. And the "hearthrob" type that used to be a not-buff guy with a purdy mouf turned into a ripped dude with 1% body fat shirtless all the time with a purdy mouf.
Literally 100s of millions or billions of young men around the world are influenced by Hollywood as do young women who see that body type as ideal and more realistic than it is; whereas while you might think fitness "influencers" on social media are popular, it's nothing compared to Hollywood's influence.
So I'd definitely agree with the THEORY that the "unrealistic male body image" is a bigger problem than it ever has been for both young men and their female suitors, I don't know that social media is really at fault as much a media in general. And how much does it ACTUALLY affect the average person? I dunno, I don't think this is as rampant of a problem as you think.
I'm obviously a bit older and married but I have friends in there early 20s and hang out around a lot of people in different scenes and if anything going out to clubs, the "ripped dude with a tight shirt" cliche is less noticable than ever. They were everywhere in the early 2000s when I was first clubbing a lot, nobody really seems that obsessed with body image at all, etc.
If anything it's shocking how many nerdy looking fucks feel comfortable looking like nerdy fucks.
everything men do in public is seen as creepy or rapey :dogeUnless they're good looking.
You can be as ripped as Zyzz himself...if you're a fucking weirdo who can't have decent conversations you're going to get passed over. Hell she might pick a dad bod dude over you, if he's funny and COOL. All of these dudes complaining about women need to put the internet down and go talk to people.
Here, let me put this into faux male intellectual terms you can understand: your father didn't have the internet, Steam sales or the MCU. He spent his time in the real world talking to people, including women. In order to attract a mate, he had to know how to talk, how to make people laugh, how to be normal, etc. And clearly he succeeded because he found a mate (your mother) and busted a nut inside her. Now flash forward to today: his seed is failing because unlike the father, he has no social skills. The internet and social media has sapped him of the need to converse with human beings in real life in order to live a "social" life, so he sits on the computer/phone/Microsoft Surface (PAID ADVERTISEMENT) all day complaining.
You can be as ripped as Zyzz himself...if you're a fucking weirdo who can't have decent conversations you're going to get passed over. Hell she might pick a dad bod dude over you, if he's funny and COOL. All of these dudes complaining about women need to put the internet down and go talk to people.
Here, let me put this into faux male intellectual terms you can understand: your father didn't have the internet, Steam sales or the MCU. He spent his time in the real world talking to people, including women. In order to attract a mate, he had to know how to talk, how to make people laugh, how to be normal, etc. And clearly he succeeded because he found a mate (your mother) and busted a nut inside her. Now flash forward to today: his seed is failing because unlike the father, he has no social skills. The internet and social media has sapped him of the need to converse with human beings in real life in order to live a "social" life, so he sits on the computer/phone/Microsoft Surface (PAID ADVERTISEMENT) all day complaining.
This is the special fellow-gen, everything must follow a set of rules. If they grind long enough on their charisma and social skills, they will level up and get laid. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS IT SAYS SO IN THE RULES HUMAN BEINGS ARE RATIONAL CREATURES THAT MUST FOLLOW THE RULES WHYYYYYYYY WON'T SHE FUCK MEEEEEEEE
You can be as ripped as Zyzz himself...if you're a fucking weirdo who can't have decent conversations you're going to get passed over. Hell she might pick a dad bod dude over you, if he's funny and COOL. All of these dudes complaining about women need to put the internet down and go talk to people.But we have already admitted as much. There is only so much you can get away with after the initial attraction point but to be honest
Suspenders and beards? I thought you only saw that in tv shows. See, that i never see, honestly outside of a hipster bartender or barber.i guess it depends on where you go, live, etc. i agree on the nerdy fucks though, they're everywhere now.
Yeah it could, but my city has been static this whole time. The sheer amount of douchey roid freaks I dealt with at 18-21 was off the charts here; there was even a cheesy "gang" of them (they showed up downtown with crotch rockets and constantly got in fights / and were employed as bouncers all over town.)
That look doesn't seem as popular anymore; hoenstly mostly see it on dudes that were probably around back when I was turning 21 lol, now they look old and out of place next to hipster #50 sporting a beard and suspenders.
It's just really hard to quantify to me if this is a growing problem or not, but I do think it's pretty sound to assume that the people it effects might be effected in a more extreme way than the past. Like I'm unsure if there are "more" dudes obsessed with physique as in the past but I would imagine that those that are have much higher goals to attain due to the body images portrayed in media (and I bet those guys do in fact follow fitness bros and are effected by that.)
You can be as ripped as Zyzz himself...if you're a fucking weirdo who can't have decent conversations you're going to get passed over. Hell she might pick a dad bod dude over you, if he's funny and COOL. All of these dudes complaining about women need to put the internet down and go talk to people.But we have already admitted as much. There is only so much you can get away with after the initial attraction point but to be honest
no matter how much intellectual wit and charisma you have you're still getting an immediate rejection walking up like this :flabbypd
Inside Incels’ Looksmaxing Obsession: Penis Stretching, Skull Implants And Rage
Thousands of “involuntarily celibate” men in online forums are consumed by misogynist entitlement and a skin-deep quest for self-improvement.
It’s late on a Friday, and hundreds of men are browsing the forum Lookism.net. A new member logs on and posts two photos showing the lower half of his face.
“What surgeries/implants are needed to fix this?” he asks. “As you can see I have a recessed jaw/chin.”
The replies come swiftly: “It’s not just your chin. Your upper lip is retruded as well. Orthognathic surgery if you can afford it. Chin implant or [genioplasty] if you can’t. You should also look at jaw angle implants,” someone responds. “Start saving.”
It’s a typical exchange on the message board, where new posts continue to pop up throughout the night with men asking other men for physical evaluation and advice.
“Rate my face.” “I already know I’m ugly.” “Dropped 7K on a nose job.” “Candid photo of my profile reveals my subhumanity.” “I don’t even leave the house anymore, I don’t want to be seen.” “No Tinder matches in first 24 hours — is it over?” At one point, someone compares the skull sizes of Justin Bieber and Zayn Malik, carefully assessing which pop star has a more masculine-shaped head.
this is what assimilate is trying to warn us about: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/incels-looksmaxing-obsession_us_5b50e56ee4b0de86f48b0a4fQuoteInside Incels’ Looksmaxing Obsession: Penis Stretching, Skull Implants And Rage
Thousands of “involuntarily celibate” men in online forums are consumed by misogynist entitlement and a skin-deep quest for self-improvement.QuoteIt’s late on a Friday, and hundreds of men are browsing the forum Lookism.net. A new member logs on and posts two photos showing the lower half of his face.
“What surgeries/implants are needed to fix this?” he asks. “As you can see I have a recessed jaw/chin.”
The replies come swiftly: “It’s not just your chin. Your upper lip is retruded as well. Orthognathic surgery if you can afford it. Chin implant or [genioplasty] if you can’t. You should also look at jaw angle implants,” someone responds. “Start saving.”
It’s a typical exchange on the message board, where new posts continue to pop up throughout the night with men asking other men for physical evaluation and advice.
“Rate my face.” “I already know I’m ugly.” “Dropped 7K on a nose job.” “Candid photo of my profile reveals my subhumanity.” “I don’t even leave the house anymore, I don’t want to be seen.” “No Tinder matches in first 24 hours — is it over?” At one point, someone compares the skull sizes of Justin Bieber and Zayn Malik, carefully assessing which pop star has a more masculine-shaped head.
everything men do in public is seen as creepy or rapey :dogeUnless they're good looking.
this is what assimilate is trying to warn us about: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/incels-looksmaxing-obsession_us_5b50e56ee4b0de86f48b0a4fQuoteInside Incels’ Looksmaxing Obsession: Penis Stretching, Skull Implants And Rage
Thousands of “involuntarily celibate” men in online forums are consumed by misogynist entitlement and a skin-deep quest for self-improvement.QuoteIt’s late on a Friday, and hundreds of men are browsing the forum Lookism.net. A new member logs on and posts two photos showing the lower half of his face.
“What surgeries/implants are needed to fix this?” he asks. “As you can see I have a recessed jaw/chin.”
The replies come swiftly: “It’s not just your chin. Your upper lip is retruded as well. Orthognathic surgery if you can afford it. Chin implant or [genioplasty] if you can’t. You should also look at jaw angle implants,” someone responds. “Start saving.”
It’s a typical exchange on the message board, where new posts continue to pop up throughout the night with men asking other men for physical evaluation and advice.
“Rate my face.” “I already know I’m ugly.” “Dropped 7K on a nose job.” “Candid photo of my profile reveals my subhumanity.” “I don’t even leave the house anymore, I don’t want to be seen.” “No Tinder matches in first 24 hours — is it over?” At one point, someone compares the skull sizes of Justin Bieber and Zayn Malik, carefully assessing which pop star has a more masculine-shaped head.
I do these actually for a number of reasons.this is what assimilate is trying to warn us about: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/incels-looksmaxing-obsession_us_5b50e56ee4b0de86f48b0a4fQuoteInside Incels’ Looksmaxing Obsession: Penis Stretching, Skull Implants And Rage
Thousands of “involuntarily celibate” men in online forums are consumed by misogynist entitlement and a skin-deep quest for self-improvement.QuoteIt’s late on a Friday, and hundreds of men are browsing the forum Lookism.net. A new member logs on and posts two photos showing the lower half of his face.
“What surgeries/implants are needed to fix this?” he asks. “As you can see I have a recessed jaw/chin.”
The replies come swiftly: “It’s not just your chin. Your upper lip is retruded as well. Orthognathic surgery if you can afford it. Chin implant or [genioplasty] if you can’t. You should also look at jaw angle implants,” someone responds. “Start saving.”
It’s a typical exchange on the message board, where new posts continue to pop up throughout the night with men asking other men for physical evaluation and advice.
“Rate my face.” “I already know I’m ugly.” “Dropped 7K on a nose job.” “Candid photo of my profile reveals my subhumanity.” “I don’t even leave the house anymore, I don’t want to be seen.” “No Tinder matches in first 24 hours — is it over?” At one point, someone compares the skull sizes of Justin Bieber and Zayn Malik, carefully assessing which pop star has a more masculine-shaped head.
Thanks for the lookism rabbit hole. I didn't even know the term "incel" existed until April of this year, probably because I've been in a relationship for nearly five years. They've been using the term for years, along with things like "framecel," "neckcecl," "skullcel."
Some of the looksmaxing stuff makes sense, but is there a reason the site thinks that a large head circumference is "looksmaxing"?*
The neck isolation exercises recommended on that site can't be great. Why don't they just recommend compound lifts?
WTF is mewing?
*Yes I measured because of the site.
That reminds me, my muscle cartel membership expires next month, have to steal some 7s from some Natty's to re-up.
@Assimalate what is your girls number?
I'm a lot bigger than you breh. Try and come at me
What do you lift? :punch
You don't think it could be a problem that a few people bitching on social media is all it takes for companies, universities, and just institutions in general bending on a whim?
Oh noooo a few people on social media got mad, oh noooo they had to explain it.
LOL, this type of thing is really your evidence that feminism is causing big problems?
There's a difference between being afraid of something that may happen and engaging in a fight than actually going to a weekly sparing match to get punched in the face to leave with a headache. ::)
It doesn’t matter how much you lift, if you wet your pants at the thought of being punched in the face.
I’m sorry, all I heard was “I’m softer than a tootsie roll fruit cup.”uh huh.
Some of you are normal dudes with decent a mental capacity that all of a sudden all that shits the bed when it comes to these things. You guys are so afraid to come off looking misogynistic when this isn't even close to misogyny.It's true, the one thing I fear is being labeled negatively by people who disagree with me. But how do I possibly get over it? :fbm
And then Boy Genius wants to claim he doesn't notice a problem on a larger scale lol. The problem is right here on this forum, a bunch of dumbasses been socially conditioned to put their dicks between their legs and claim everything is "fine"
Beer league hockey is played with shoulder pads.now you want to call me a fruit rollup??
You believe that? I doubt they fly that team around first class. Even still, it shows what the feminist movement is about. It was a reply to Benji, since he thinks there is no evidence of this being a wide scale problem.You really do not see a problem with this? This isn't equality. This is preferential treatment for no other reason than people being a specific sex.
Did you bother to read the article?
They didn't bend, they literally explained it was a last minute flight and there were only coach seats left. They called it an unjustified attack.
I mean if I had to guess, probably some woman at some point didn't have sex with him when he thought they should. THE NERVE.Yeah that's it. I link an article showing the ridiculousness of the feminist agenda on an international scale but this all boils down to a time a girl rejected me for sex.........
i may have gotten the order mixed up
CANADA (CBS Local) – A man in Canada has found an inventive way to cut his car insurance by over $1,000 a year: he’s officially become a woman.
David, who lives in Alberta, told local reporters that he wanted to buy his dream car and started calling insurance providers for a quote. To insure his new Chevy Cruze, David was reportedly given a quote of $4,500 a year because he was a man in his 20’s with one accident on his record.
David then had the idea to ask the insurer what it would cost him if he was a female. The new quote came in at around $3,400. “I was pretty angry about that. And I didn’t feel like getting screwed over any more,” the driver told the CBC.
To save about $91 a month, David decided to take advantage of Canada’s policies for officially changing your gender. The Alberta man only had to have a doctor’s note stating that the patient identifies as a member of the opposite sex.
“It was pretty simple,” he claimed. “I just basically asked for it and told them that I identify as a woman, or I’d like to identify as a woman, and he wrote me the letter I wanted.”
The 23-year-old sent the doctor’s note to Alberta’s provincial government and received a new birth certificate in the mail a few weeks later. According to the Canadian government, David was now a woman and qualified for cheaper car insurance.
“I was quite shocked, but I was also relieved,” the driver added. “I felt like I beat the system. I felt like I won.”
In June, Canada’s government actually made it even easier for people to change the gender they identify with by scrapping the doctor’s note requirement.
The Canadian man told reporters his scheme had nothing to do with making a statement about transgender or LGBT rights, it was to fight back against the country’s insurance system which penalized him for being male.
“I’m a man, 100 percent. Legally, I’m a woman,” David gloated. “I did it for cheaper car insurance.”
this is what assy and Daddy P tried to warn us about: https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/07/30/man-changes-gender-car-insurance/QuoteCANADA (CBS Local) – A man in Canada has found an inventive way to cut his car insurance by over $1,000 a year: he’s officially become a woman.
David, who lives in Alberta, told local reporters that he wanted to buy his dream car and started calling insurance providers for a quote. To insure his new Chevy Cruze, David was reportedly given a quote of $4,500 a year because he was a man in his 20’s with one accident on his record.
David then had the idea to ask the insurer what it would cost him if he was a female. The new quote came in at around $3,400. “I was pretty angry about that. And I didn’t feel like getting screwed over any more,” the driver told the CBC.
To save about $91 a month, David decided to take advantage of Canada’s policies for officially changing your gender. The Alberta man only had to have a doctor’s note stating that the patient identifies as a member of the opposite sex.
“It was pretty simple,” he claimed. “I just basically asked for it and told them that I identify as a woman, or I’d like to identify as a woman, and he wrote me the letter I wanted.”
The 23-year-old sent the doctor’s note to Alberta’s provincial government and received a new birth certificate in the mail a few weeks later. According to the Canadian government, David was now a woman and qualified for cheaper car insurance.
“I was quite shocked, but I was also relieved,” the driver added. “I felt like I beat the system. I felt like I won.”
In June, Canada’s government actually made it even easier for people to change the gender they identify with by scrapping the doctor’s note requirement.
The Canadian man told reporters his scheme had nothing to do with making a statement about transgender or LGBT rights, it was to fight back against the country’s insurance system which penalized him for being male.
“I’m a man, 100 percent. Legally, I’m a woman,” David gloated. “I did it for cheaper car insurance.”
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#GetWokeGoBroke
I'm starting to think that SJW companies are secretly trying to get Trump re-elected.
Great going Burger King, So obviously you'd like to divide and turn your customers off of your products. Why don't you just go ahead and insert pink razor blades into your burgers? I'm sure that'll be faster, since your goal is obviously to minimize your sales.
btw, isn't it ironic that a business called "Burger King" is now lecturing me with feminist propaganda? There has to be a God and he has to have a sense of humor. I refuse to believe the universe is this idiosyncratic by accident.
Just came here to give a thumbs-down.
Great campaign ad for Donald Trump in 2020, by the way.
This is why he won in the first place.
It warms my heart to see that the regressive liberal agenda has not and will not ever taint the minds of the majority thanks to the internet. The like to dislike ratios on these propaganda videos say it all.
Burger King's name itself is sexist. Why not call it "Burger Gender Neutral Monarch"?
What I cant believe is with the level of hot mess this propaganda is, there hasn't been a retraction or anything. I have not seen a single positive comment here and i've been looking.
I feel bad for the minimum wage workers you employ that have had to hear an ear full about this, while you big wigs obviously ignore the opinions of people who actually watch this and provide statistical feedback.
G E T W O K E , G O B R O K E
This is what Assy tried to warn us about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rtHmSfYDbsQuote#GetWokeGoBrokeQuoteI'm starting to think that SJW companies are secretly trying to get Trump re-elected.QuoteGreat going Burger King, So obviously you'd like to divide and turn your customers off of your products. Why don't you just go ahead and insert pink razor blades into your burgers? I'm sure that'll be faster, since your goal is obviously to minimize your sales.Quotebtw, isn't it ironic that a business called "Burger King" is now lecturing me with feminist propaganda? There has to be a God and he has to have a sense of humor. I refuse to believe the universe is this idiosyncratic by accident.QuoteJust came here to give a thumbs-down.
Great campaign ad for Donald Trump in 2020, by the way.
This is why he won in the first place.QuoteIt warms my heart to see that the regressive liberal agenda has not and will not ever taint the minds of the majority thanks to the internet. The like to dislike ratios on these propaganda videos say it all.QuoteBurger King's name itself is sexist. Why not call it "Burger Gender Neutral Monarch"?QuoteWhat I cant believe is with the level of hot mess this propaganda is, there hasn't been a retraction or anything. I have not seen a single positive comment here and i've been looking.
I feel bad for the minimum wage workers you employ that have had to hear an ear full about this, while you big wigs obviously ignore the opinions of people who actually watch this and provide statistical feedback.QuoteG E T W O K E , G O B R O K E
I just read a satire from 1924 where the narrator incessantly whined about how the Bolsheviks proclaimed gender equality in 1918 but he still has to pay for women when he goes on dates with them.this is amazing where did you find thisspoiler (click to show/hide)Eventually he finds an /r/atheism poster who splits everything with him and he values this more than her physical attractiveness so they get married. She loses her job and he has to support a woman he finds ugly, which he whines about.[close]
read The Brothers Karamazov
I really should get into Russian literature. Start reading some of the greats.
Now only if i could read :doge
Gogol! Gogol! Gogol! Like almost everything he wrote is short too so he might actually finish something.
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Dostoevsky is my favorite mangaka
I don't know about the WNBA but there's been a global effort among many sports recently (football, rugby, cycling, to name some...) to promote the female half with more push and better coverage. A lot of growing pains but overall it's a good thing. The disparity in level and spectacle is real but it hasn't stopped Olympics or Tennis female categories getting popular enough to be considered integral parts of tournaments.i wrote about this in the feminine disaster thread. this isn't a good thing at all. this is fucking annoying as fuck.
why do i have to listen to some whiny voiced ear piercing bitch call plays in futbol? why? because we must include a diversity check in every single goddamn thing now? fuck.
You don't have to listen to anything, assyyeah i do. if i want to watch the game with commentary i'm going to occasionally have to listen to some dumb cunt call a play every few games. it's lacking in mental fortitude. it brings no value at all to the programming.
I wonder how those pink jerseys negatively impact your life, assyBecause any time there is female infiltration of something it ends up being a waterdown shit product that is stripped of all it's danger and excitement. It happens with everything.
Ever notice what happens to a music scene once a bunch of cute girls start flocking to the shows?
why do i have to listen to some whiny voiced ear piercing bitch?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig2SgfVLigQBrilliance. Especially the ending :clap
EVERYONE PLEASE HEED MY WORDS!!! I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH. Get familiar with how the Western Roman Empire fell. I recommend specifically looking up “german mass migration destroyed the Western Roman Empire”. After you look it up and read about it, please come back here and like this post if what happened scares you and how it can be comparable to today. The only reason I ask for likes is so that WotW hopefully sees this and can add his own takes on it. Thank youhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJz15Y6hKMM ::)
The new case centers on Autumn Scardina’s order for a cake from Phillips’ Masterpiece Cakeshop in June 2017 with a pink interior and blue exterior to celebrate the anniversary of her coming out as a transgender woman. Phillips refused to make the cake, saying “it would have celebrated messages contrary to his religious belief that sex ― the status of being male or female ― is given by God, is biologically determined,” his lawsuit says.
Scardina filed a complaint with the state Civil Rights Commission, claiming discrimination based on her sex. The commission found probable cause that Phillips violated an anti-discrimination law that prohibits businesses from refusing service based on race, sex, marital status or sexual orientation. It ordered the two parties into mediation.
Phillips argues in his lawsuit, which names Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) and Civil Rights Commission members, that the Supreme Court ruling allows him to decline customers for religious reasons. The court, however, did not address whether religious objectors to same-sex relationships can duck anti-discrimination laws and refuse to serve to LGBTQ customers.
“The state of Colorado is ignoring the message of the U.S. Supreme Court by continuing to single out Jack for punishment and to exhibit hostility toward his religious beliefs,” said Kristen Waggoner, an attorney of the anti-LGBTQ group Alliance Defending Freedom, which is representing Phillips.
A spokesperson for the Anti-Violence Project said the denial of services to LGBTQ community members fuels disrespect and violence.
“This is a concerted effort by Phillips, in concert with designated hate group Alliance Defending Freedom, to push anti-LGBTQ discrimination under the guise of so-called religious freedom,” the spokesperson, Eliel Cruz, told HuffPost. “These continued infringements on LGBTQ people’s access to public goods and services cultivates a culture of violence against us by promoting a narrative that LGBTQ people are less than. Sexual orientation or gender identity should not prohibit anyone from being treated with dignity and respect at any establishment.”
Healthline has claimed health disparities and higher rates of HIV and STIs observed in LGBTQIA communities are due to discrimination in the sex ed world. So, the California based health information provider has adopted the gender-inclusive term “front hole” in place of the medical term, “vagina” in their latest LGBTQIA safe sex guide.
“For the purpose of this guide, we’ll refer to the vagina as the ‘front hole’ instead of solely using the medical term ‘vagina,'” the document explains. “This is gender-inclusive language that’s considerate of the fact that some trans people don’t identify with the labels the medical community attaches to their genitals.”
“For example, some trans and nonbinary-identified people assigned female at birth may enjoy being the receptors of penetrative sex, but experience gender dysphoria when that part of their body is referred to using a word that society and professional communities often associate with femaleness. An alternative that’s becoming increasingly popular in trans and queer communities is front hole.”
The document went on to claim, lack of representation and anti-LGBTQIA bias in standard safe sex guides stigmatizes certain sexual behaviours and identities and is directly related to higher rates of HIV and STIs reported within LGBTQIA communities.
The guide goes on to suggest, “it’s imperative for safe sex guides to become more inclusive of LGBTQIA and nonbinary people and their experiences. This will help address barriers to accessing care and effective educational tools, while simultaneously normalizing and acknowledging the true diversity that exists with regard to gender and sexuality.”
Sex education resources often use videos, pictures, and diagrams as a way to convey important information, though these images and videos have historically failed to reflect or provide information about same-sex and queer relationships. In fact, the GLSEN 2015 National School Climate Survey shows that only about 5 percent of LGBTQ students saw LGBTQ representation in health class.
These guides also often unnecessarily gender body parts as being “male parts” and “female parts” and refer to “sex with women” or “sex with men,” excluding those who identify as nonbinary. Many individuals don’t see body parts as having a gender — people have a gender.
And as a result, the notion that a penis is exclusively a male body part and a vulva is exclusively a female body part is inaccurate. By using the word “parts” to talk about genitals and using medical terms for anatomy without attaching a gender to it, we become much more able to effectively discuss safe sex in a way that’s clear and inclusive.
For the purposes of this guide, we’ll refer to the vagina as the “front hole” instead of solely using the medical term “vagina.” This is gender-inclusive language that’s considerate of the fact that some trans people don’t identify with the labels the medical community attaches to their genitals.
http://caldronpool.com/healthline-says-using-the-medical-term-vagina-is-not-gender-inclusive-language-uses-front-hole-instead/QuoteHealthline has claimed health disparities and higher rates of HIV and STIs observed in LGBTQIA communities are due to discrimination in the sex ed world. So, the California based health information provider has adopted the gender-inclusive term “front hole” in place of the medical term, “vagina” in their latest LGBTQIA safe sex guide.
“For the purpose of this guide, we’ll refer to the vagina as the ‘front hole’ instead of solely using the medical term ‘vagina,'” the document explains. “This is gender-inclusive language that’s considerate of the fact that some trans people don’t identify with the labels the medical community attaches to their genitals.”
“For example, some trans and nonbinary-identified people assigned female at birth may enjoy being the receptors of penetrative sex, but experience gender dysphoria when that part of their body is referred to using a word that society and professional communities often associate with femaleness. An alternative that’s becoming increasingly popular in trans and queer communities is front hole.”
The document went on to claim, lack of representation and anti-LGBTQIA bias in standard safe sex guides stigmatizes certain sexual behaviours and identities and is directly related to higher rates of HIV and STIs reported within LGBTQIA communities.
The guide goes on to suggest, “it’s imperative for safe sex guides to become more inclusive of LGBTQIA and nonbinary people and their experiences. This will help address barriers to accessing care and effective educational tools, while simultaneously normalizing and acknowledging the true diversity that exists with regard to gender and sexuality.”
#FrontHole
Safe penetrative sex in a front hole, vagina, or anus
Penetrative sex, also known as intercourse, is the act of inserting a body part or toy inside someone’s front hole, vagina, or anus. It’s important to be aware that the person being penetrated, also known as the receptive partner, or “bottom,” is typically at a higher risk for contracting STIs than the partner who’s penetrating, also known as the inserting partner or “top.”
Safe oral sex on a clitoris, front hole, vagina, penis, scrotum, or anus
Safe sex with hands
Fingers and hands can be used during sex to stimulate parts of the body such as the penis, front hole, vagina, mouth, nipples, or anus.
Safe sex with toyswhy can't use beads in my front hole?!?
One way to have sex with yourself and with partners is by using toys such as vibrators (can be used on the front hole and vagina), dildos (can be used on the front hole, vagina, and anus), plugs (can be used anally), and beads (can be used anally). These toys can help stimulate body parts both internally and externally.
Bolsonaro is the right wing candidate ex-military guy that's running on a Law&Order platform, right? I have a Brazilian ex-pat friend, that is in all moving likelihood moving back soon, and he supports him too.Yeah, when i first heard about him i was told he was "brazilian trump" but then you actually research his videos, his thoughts, and he's not. Yeah, he's definitely provocative but he presents actual arguments and reasons for his arguments and he's not what the left says he is. He is definitely not my first choice but in a country where 99% of the politicians are downright corrupt or socialist marxists you're limited in your choices. Most middle class and above educated males are voting for him and he's most popular with 16-25 age group. Weird right? It's the total opposite of what the demographics are in the States.
seems more like duterte than trump.I wouldn't even say that. He's not that extreme even though he would have a right to be. This country is sinking in violence and corruption but god forbid a cop (the worst fucking job in the country, so bad that they will make you a cop without any actual testing in some cities) shoots a bad guy. You'll have people in the streets crying saying they shot a 'hard worker' ::)
As in people that are or have been confirmed "marxists"
What do you mean most politicians there are Social Marxists tho? They tryna make you suck distinguished transitional person dick?
You know there is a big difference between Marxism and "Cultural Marxism," right? As a disciple of Daddy P's audio books I would expect you to know better.I mean literal fucking marxists bro. And yes there is also cultural marxism that runs rampant as well.
I mean literal fucking marxists bro. And yes there is also cultural marxism that runs rampant as well.There's "literal fucking Marxists" in the United States too. The reason they aren't prominent in the political sphere is because it's a first past the post system. Brazil's PR system basically hands out seats if you crack 0.2%. "Literal fucking Marxists" used to get that kind of support or better in the United States too. Yurop had powerful Communist Parties during the Cold War, though most have degraded.
I know you may think "oh this is just a right wing talking point" like you get in the States but the reality here is different. Both are very prominent still in the political and cultural sphere of this country.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/10/23/university-utah-is/I could have such a fucking brutal comeback to this......
Your brutal come back to a girl's death is to post a racist comment on the internet?
for some reason this reminded me of this:https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/10/23/university-utah-is/I could have such a fucking brutal comeback to this......
I'll keep it light though :dogespoiler (click to show/hide)girl dates a criminal looking motherfucker and then is shocked when he is in fact a sex offender criminal motherfucker :lol[close]
yeah and that's fucking hilarious because its stereotypical but every stereotype has hints of truth.for some reason this reminded me of this:https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/10/23/university-utah-is/I could have such a fucking brutal comeback to this......
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A woman broke up with her partner and he murdered her. Definitely has nothing to do with a thread about feminism.
An astonishing 17 pupils at a single British school are in the process of changing gender, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
Most of the youngsters undergoing the transformation are autistic, according to a teacher there, who said vulnerable children with mental health problems were being ‘tricked’ into believing they are the wrong sex.
The whistleblower says few of the transgender children are suffering from gender dysphoria – the medical term for someone who feels they were born in the wrong body – but are just easily influenced, latching on to the mistaken belief they are the wrong sex as a way of coping with the problems caused by autism.
It means that 150 autistic teenagers were given puberty blocker drugs which stop the body maturing.
The teacher says she felt compelled to speak out to protect pupils, many of whom she believes could already be taking the powerful drugs and may go on to have life-changing surgery.
She believes schools and some politicians have swallowed ‘hook, line and sinker’ a politically-correct ‘fallacy’ peddled by a powerful transgender lobby.
Fighting this is like fighting Leviathan. It is totalitarian.r.i.p. in pieces Assi's unwaxed testicles
For example, the trans-critical blog GenderTrender published the pre-transition name of Jonathan “Jessica” Yaniv, a Canadian man who now claims to be female, and has filed human rights claims against women’s salons who will not wax his testicles (he has not had bottom surgery) because the estheticians do not want to touch male genitalia. GenderTrender published information related to the man’s social media activities related to underage girls, and used the name Jonathan Yaniv. As a result, WordPress kicked GenderTrender off, claiming that “deadnaming” (using a trans person’s pre-transition name) is a violation of terms of service.
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WordPress’s policy protects creeps like Jonathan Yaniv. But it would also shut down any blog that discusses Bruce Jenner’s Olympic career. If you have a WordPress blog, they will censor you if you attempt to publish factual information that offends a transgendered person by in any way — even passively — questioning their proclaimed identity. That entire feminist blog, GenderTrender, has been erased, including its archive. It’s gone.
You may think phrases like “bringing home the bacon” and “putting all your eggs in one basket” are harmless quirks of the English language, but they could be offending vegans and vegetarians, with one academic claiming they might end up being avoided altogether as a result.
As research shows more people are removing animal products from their diets than ever before, Shareena Hamzah of Swansea University says idioms involving animal products could be rendered obsolete because they are out of touch with the zeitgeist.
Writing for The Conversation, the researcher explains how meat-based metaphors are a popular staple of our everyday vernacular but that an increased awareness in the environmental and ethical issues surrounding meat production “will undoubtedly be reflected in our language and literature” and that this language may no longer be so widely accepted.
“In today’s reality, meat is repeatedly the subject of much socially and politically charged discussion, including about how the demand for meat is contributing to climate change and environmental degradation,” she continues.
“Given that fiction often reflects on real world events and societal issues, it may very well be that down the line powerful meat metaphors are eschewed.
“The increased awareness of vegan issues will filter through consciousness to produce new modes of expression.”
Hamzah highlights the violent imagery proposed by popular idioms such as “flogging a dead horse” and “killing two birds with one stone” and suggests we may move to kinder alternatives such as “feeding a fed horse” or “feeding two birds with one scone”.
Animal rights organisation PETA has been campaigning for more vegan and vegetarian-friendly idioms for years, urging teachers not to use phrases that perpetuate violence towards animals.
“These old sayings are often passed down in classrooms during lessons on literary devices,” a blog post on its website reads.
“While these phrases may seem harmless, they carry meaning and can send mixed signals to students about the relationship between humans and animals and can normalize abuse.
Teaching students to use animal-friendly language can cultivate positive relationships between all beings and help end the epidemic of youth violence toward animals.”
Adding to Hamzah’s list of cruelty-free alternatives, PETA suggests “bringing home the bagels” as opposed to the bacon and instead of “putting all your eggs in one basket”, why not try “putting all of your berries in a bowl”?
Rod Dreher, the author of that article, recently posted about exorcisms are real and important things.