Thread of Feminism and Bumble Destroying Civilization

[Rahxephon91]

Even as someone with no success, I don't really feel like what you're saying is true. You're entire thing basically leads to the idea that like only the top percentile of men are getting all the women. But I'n my experince you're average non instagram thot looking girl is dating/hooking up/whatever with everyday good looking guys. I mean millions of people are dating and having sex, how do you explain that? Most women I know have boyfriends. Most women I know no mater what rating they are hit on by tons of guys. Sometimes it works. At this point I don't really think there is any rhyme or reason to this stuff.

And as someone who is'nt succsesful. I rather be out drinking and around people/women then playing Fortnite. I don't think it's great to dwell on all this stuff. I've felt much better not doing that. In fact, thats why I've deleted and stopped all my online dating.

[Assimilate]

Even as someone with no success, I don't really feel like what you're saying is true. You're entire thing basically leads to the idea that like only the top percentile of men are getting all the women. But I'n my experince you're average non instagram thot looking girl is dating/hooking up/whatever with everyday good looking guys. I mean millions of people are dating and having sex, how do you explain that? Most women I know have boyfriends. Most women I know no mater what rating they are hit on by tons of guys. Sometimes it works. At this point I don't really think there is any rhyme or reason to this stuff.

you haven't really been paying attention now have you? if you stick with tinder long enough you will find someone for yourself, but only after you have lowered your standards a bit, and at times considerably (if you are male seeking female).

[Rufus]

Flannel, everything you say is legit.

I think the point is that the scales have tipped too far to one side and given the biological natures of the sexes, this isn't going to work out.

You talk as if online dating is all there is and all there will be in the future.

[benjipwns]

you haven't really been paying attention now have you? if you stick with tinder long enough you will find someone for yourself, but only after you have lowered your standards a bit, and at times considerably (if you are male seeking female).

this depends on your standards, and would be the same in every other aspect of dating/relationships

i think there's also a fundamental misapplication of the role of tinder in the overall process, it's aiding in the approach not constructing the connection, a high failure rate is inherent unless you're lucky

[Assimilate]

Flannel, everything you say is legit.

I think the point is that the scales have tipped too far to one side and given the biological natures of the sexes, this isn't going to work out.

You talk as if online dating is all there is and all there will be in the future.

Like i said i don't know how it will self correct in the future. It could be this all changes things for the better. But online dating isn't all there is yeah but social media is still there playing a factor in a females psychology.

Now correct me if i'm wrong, because i've only heard this to be true, but the majority of women in their 20s live a heavily online social media influenced life style now in the U.S. Is this true? Even college girls with a huge campus connect with other people on her own campus through a social network first.

[Mandark]

Now correct me if i'm wrong

you're wrong

[benjipwns]

well he's partly right, in that college girls do connect with other people through social networks like most everyone has always, he just seems preoccupied with only the social networks that are online and thus corrosive to the sustainability of society

[Assimilate]

well he's partly right, in that college girls do connect with other people through social networks like most everyone has always, he just seems preoccupied with only the social networks that are online and thus corrosive to the sustainability of society

 

Come on Boy Genius this type of social networking is extremely different and very exaggerated in it's form.

[benjipwns]

i mean, this just seems similar in extreme extrapolation from small sample sizes to your ranting about the dangers and terribleness of gaming simply because you got overly obsessed with the first Titanfall and your mom plays Candy Crush or whatever

[Mandark]

Are there any dads wanking here or no

https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/1020216326537842690

[BisMarckie]

Winning the war of ideas

[Assimilate]

i mean, this just seems similar in extreme extrapolation from small sample sizes to your ranting about the dangers and terribleness of gaming simply because you got overly obsessed with the first Titanfall and your mom plays Candy Crush or whatever

Your argument is basically that since something has always been, it's not social medias fault that it's a problem now while ignoring the fact that these problems are far bigger than ever before precisely because of social media.

For example - the bodybuilding scene. I got into working out at a young age, some friends were obsessed with lifting, but those were very small condensed groups of guys. Guys that had to make the effort to go to the local 7-11 and pick up the weekly issue of muscle mag or whatever. It took dedication, and to even begin this obsession it took a set amount of circumstances for someone to fall into the scene.

But now with social media apps like instagram, youtube, which is all about the visual message you get 1000000x fold more people happening to fall into this obsession. Have you any idea the proliferation of instagram/youtube fitness personalities that has popped up in the last 4 years? They're numbering in the thousands now. it's big business.

This growth has come with the negative side effects that yes have always been there but is now more prevalent and a much bigger problem than before.

Get what i'm saying?

[TVC15]

Hey Mandark, you asshole, I wouldn’t have known the depths of Assy’s shittiness if you didn’t make this containment thread since I ignore the relationship thread. Your containment thread had the exact opposite effect it was supposed to have. I hope this revelation makes you reevaluate all your other ideas since they may be just as flawed.

[Assimilate]

Are there any dads wanking here or no

https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/1020216326537842690

people attacking them for a video put together by the organizer.

typical college intellectual hate

but let's get 100000x worthless shitty celebrities and musical acts at the democratic convention because look how cool we are, popular celebrities accept us 

Hey Mandark, you asshole, I wouldn’t have known the depths of Assy’s shittiness if you didn’t make this containment thread since I ignore the relationship thread. Your containment thread had the exact opposite effect it was supposed to have. I hope this revelations makes you reevaluate all your other ideas since they may be just as flawed.

#tvcbeingabitterqueenagain

[Mandark]

Hey Mandark, you asshole, I wouldn’t have known the depths of Assy’s shittiness if you didn’t make this containment thread since I ignore the relationship thread. Your containment thread had the exact opposite effect it was supposed to have. I hope this revelations makes you reevaluate all your other ideas since they may be just as flawed.

*Starts making 'Kubrick Appreciation Thread' that's actually just block quotes from Maps of Meaning*

[Assimilate]

What people and where because the people here are laughing at whoever put that video together

was talking about the comments section on that tweet

[Assimilate]

That's cool because literally no one else was. Could you answer the muscle hipster question or are you already too sidetracked

i'm not sure what a muscle hipster is so how can i answer it?

[benjipwns]

Your argument is basically that since something has always been, it's not social medias fault that it's a problem now while ignoring the fact that these problems are far bigger than ever before precisely because of social media.

No, it's not, my argument is that you're not presenting any evidence that it's a problem, let alone because of social media, just simply bitching about something you've experienced and extrapolating it into a global crisis because it's now on the internet too.

For an example, your next three paragraphs:

For example - the bodybuilding scene. I got into working out at a young age, some friends were obsessed with lifting, but those were very small condensed groups of guys. Guys that had to make the effort to go to the local 7-11 and pick up the weekly issue of muscle mag or whatever. It took dedication, and to even begin this obsession it took a set amount of circumstances for someone to fall into the scene.

But now with social media apps like instagram, youtube, which is all about the visual message you get 1000000x fold more people happening to fall into this obsession. Have you any idea the proliferation of instagram/youtube fitness personalities that has popped up in the last 4 years? They're numbering in the thousands now. it's big business.

This growth has come with the negative side effects that yes have always been there but is now more prevalent and a much bigger problem than before.

Thing you're upset about from your small experience -> the internet democratizes and levels access to it and you still hate it -> therefore we're at a societal crisis and the only path is galactic disaster.

[agrajag]

Assy is  MISCer

 

[TVC15]

Hey Mandark, you asshole, I wouldn’t have known the depths of Assy’s shittiness if you didn’t make this containment thread since I ignore the relationship thread. Your containment thread had the exact opposite effect it was supposed to have. I hope this revelations makes you reevaluate all your other ideas since they may be just as flawed.

*Starts making 'Kubrick Appreciation Thread' that's actually just block quotes from Maps of Meaning*

That’s playing with fire. I already now associate PDiddy with Camille Paglia—I watched a two hour video of them talking, which was mainly Camille talking at length and J. Petermen agreeing like a giggly fangirl. Further exposure to him may make me admire him for his trolling abilities since he’s clearly a disciple of Paglia, the Queen of Trolls.

[TVC15]

Er, King of Trolls. Paglia identifies as trans now even though he’s TERFy. Probably to troll people.

[Mandark]

I still don't think the math works out.

If women are consistently able to date men that ought to be "above" them, this is either because of a massive surplus of straight men vs. straight women, or the person doing the evaluating things men are inherently more attractive than women.

Maybe there is a surplus on Tinder etc, but that just means there's an arbitrage opportunity for guys willing to put in the work of meeting women in person.

[Mandark]

I think the line of reasoning is that information technology has made things much cheaper and easier to access, which both spreads their use and makes it easier to get into a pattern of addictive behavior.

And because instagram does something to the "psychology of females" this spills over into the dating scene.

[benjipwns]

at least now the roid rage hysteria makes more sense

[Mandark]

The whole thing boils down to "These women think they're so great, but they're not!"

Even if it was true, why worry so much? When you're not even in the dating pool?

[agrajag]

The whole thing boils down to "These women think they're so great, but they're not!"

Even if it was true, why worry so much? When you're not even in the dating pool?

That's like asking why Etiolate fought for incel rights.

[Assimilate]

Your argument is basically that since something has always been, it's not social medias fault that it's a problem now while ignoring the fact that these problems are far bigger than ever before precisely because of social media.

No, it's not, my argument is that you're not presenting any evidence that it's a problem, let alone because of social media, just simply bitching about something you've experienced and extrapolating it into a global crisis because it's now on the internet too.

For an example, your next three paragraphs:

For example - the bodybuilding scene. I got into working out at a young age, some friends were obsessed with lifting, but those were very small condensed groups of guys. Guys that had to make the effort to go to the local 7-11 and pick up the weekly issue of muscle mag or whatever. It took dedication, and to even begin this obsession it took a set amount of circumstances for someone to fall into the scene.

But now with social media apps like instagram, youtube, which is all about the visual message you get 1000000x fold more people happening to fall into this obsession. Have you any idea the proliferation of instagram/youtube fitness personalities that has popped up in the last 4 years? They're numbering in the thousands now. it's big business.

This growth has come with the negative side effects that yes have always been there but is now more prevalent and a much bigger problem than before.

Thing you're upset about from your small experience -> the internet democratizes and levels access to it and you still hate it -> therefore we're at a societal crisis and the only path is galactic disaster.

Boy G, this isn't an evaluation of my dissertation at BoreU. Chill.

I'm speaking from observation.

That's cool because literally no one else was. Could you answer the muscle hipster question or are you already too sidetracked

i'm not sure what a muscle hipster is so how can i answer it?

A hipster about weight lifting, because you seem upset that your hobby is now something easily accessible and you seem jealous of the ease of access people  have to weight lifting advice and programming as compared to the old days when you picked up muscle mags from 7/11 like a normal young boy.

I think the line of reasoning is that information technology has made things much cheaper and easier to access, which both spreads their use and makes it easier to get into a pattern of addictive behavior.

And because instagram does something to the "psychology of females" this spills over into the dating scene.

Guys, woah woah woah woah. This nothing what i'm saying. I'm sorry Stro, i figured you might have read the links that started this whole thing so i assume you're on the same page.

This has nothing to do with me. I'm talking about the negative effects of social media. The bodybuilding example is one where many younger males fall into this idea that they can achieve the same physique as those of their youtube fitness celebrities. They can't, because it's an illusion, a manipulation, 99% of them (the popular ones) take roids. This is the negative side, which was still there during my early adulthood because NO ONE on the cover of those magazines were natural.

Following me? Sorry i keep assuming everyone that engages actually did some effort in following the discussion.


***BoyG, and Nola want me to do hard work research while the rest of the Bore doesn't even put effort into understanding what is being discussed. wtf? 

[Mandark]

Can you explain the effects of social media on the dating scene in neutral language?

[Assimilate]

I still don't think the math works out.

If women are consistently able to date men that ought to be "above" them, this is either because of a massive surplus of straight men vs. straight women, or the person doing the evaluating things men are inherently more attractive than women.

Maybe there is a surplus on Tinder etc, but that just means there's an arbitrage opportunity for guys willing to put in the work of meeting women in person.

Let me answer this first.

OF COURSE there is a massive "surplus" of males on these apps. I thought this was obvious and has been covered multiple times by various members here and in those links. This is part of the problem, obviously.

Can you explain the effects of social media on the dating scene in neutral language?

The second link i posted already detailed it. Why do i have to do it again?

The whole thing boils down to "These women think they're so great, but they're not!"

Even if it was true, why worry so much? When you're not even in the dating pool?

I've answered this multiple times.

1. it was a link directed at Atra
2. i fight for my fellowman 
3. who knows but i may be back in that pool shortly 

[CatsCatsCats]

Anecdotally I’ve dated younger women lately and they were practically Luddites

[Assimilate]

Anecdotally I’ve dated younger women lately and they were practically Luddites

Shut up cats, no one wants you and your cats.

[Mandark]

If the main problem is caused by the gender imbalance on dating apps... just try to date women outside of those apps, because by definition there are more women than men not using them? Like I said, it's an arbitrage opportunity.

[Rufus]

Following me? Sorry i keep assuming everyone that engages actually did some effort in following the discussion.

They did, they're just doubting the urgency and magnitude of the problem you believe to have identified.

[Mandark]

My favorite part was "Just try starting a conversation with your date about how unfair dating is to guys, I bet she won't like that! Which just proves my theory."

Being openly bitter and self-pitying used to be good game, now thanks to tumblr and the snapchat dog filter, women will think you're weird.

[Assimilate]

Following me? Sorry i keep assuming everyone that engages actually did some effort in following the discussion.

They did, they're just doubting the urgency and magnitude of the problem you believe to have identified.

I could be wrong. I'm not debating that but i don't think so. The amount of male frustration is at all time highs (from what i observe) in the U.S. Where i'm at, in South America, there is none of that male aggression and bitterness.... yet.

If the main problem is caused by the gender imbalance on dating apps... just try to date women outside of those apps, because by definition there are more women than men not using them? Like I said, it's an arbitrage opportunity.

It's one of the main issues. The online realm just makes it worse.

Being openly bitter and self-pitying used to be good game, now thanks to tumblr and the snapchat dog filter, women will think you're weird.

Fair point. He writes in a very critical and self-loathing type of way, it's part of the humor.

[Mandark]

If the main problem is caused by the gender imbalance on dating apps... just try to date women outside of those apps, because by definition there are more women than men not using them? Like I said, it's an arbitrage opportunity.

It's one of the main issues. The online realm just makes it worse.

I'm saying the offline imbalance by definition creates a reverse imbalance in offline spaces, so if dudes aren't pursuing women there, where it would be easier, that's on them.

[Assimilate]

If the main problem is caused by the gender imbalance on dating apps... just try to date women outside of those apps, because by definition there are more women than men not using them? Like I said, it's an arbitrage opportunity.

It's one of the main issues. The online realm just makes it worse.

I'm saying the offline imbalance by definition creates a reverse imbalance in offline spaces, so if dudes aren't pursuing women there, where it would be easier, that's on them.

  what?

[Assimilate]

I just banged a feminist a few hours ago so I don't see the problem.

maybe there isn't a problem and it's mainly exclusive to the online dwellers 

i just spoke to an ex gf and she didn't even have the slightest clue of what "triggerd" meant.

the online realm is still a curious place.

[Assimilate]

Which is probably why you shouldn't over exaggerate women being more selective on dating apps and websites into this insane, anti-masculine conspiracy

wrong... she's older

and im' mainly talking about younger generations

[Huff]

I’ve banged 3 women who are now lesbos 

[thisismyusername]

Guys, woah woah woah woah. This nothing what i'm saying. I'm sorry Stro, i figured you might have read the links that started this whole thing so i assume you're on the same page.

Popping in to say: Your links are a waste of time. That's why nobody reads them.

That aside: The Esquire article was interesting (though I don't completely buy it and the study's conclusions). So thanks for that.

This has nothing to do with me. I'm talking about the negative effects of social media. The bodybuilding example is one where many younger males fall into this idea that they can achieve the same physique as those of their youtube fitness celebrities. They can't, because it's an illusion, a manipulation, 99% of them (the popular ones) take roids. This is the negative side, which was still there during my early adulthood because NO ONE on the cover of those magazines were natural.

You must know some really weird teenage boys, because the majority of them are either internet nerds, video-gamers, or into sports (which would fit your "brainwashed to be muscle-y" opinion). The vast majority of them are not going to pump iron for women, and if you truly believe that, you're crazy.

Sorry i keep assuming everyone that engages actually did some effort in following the discussion.

And I feel bad because Mandark made this thread because I wanted to discuss this with you when your entire point is "social media distorts women's views and makes them think they're more hotter than they are." Which (I'll give you a semi-point. Ok? You have a semi-point there) is pretty bullshit. Because conversely, we could take your mindview of yourself being a complete and total chad (and this is an exaggeration here, because nobody here thinks this) and say that's based on... who knows, whatever the fuck you want to base it on. The point is, you view yourself as hot-shit when really: You're not.

So really, this whole discussion has me and you agree on some points (because I can see how shitty dating apps are for both sexes on hetero- and homo- sexualities), but vastly disagreeing in views because you (like Rah before he finally started to get it into his head) have this distorted opinion on what women should be/do when they aren't the fair maidens you thought they'd be.

(Full disclosure: I haven't even caught up in this thread. I'm telling you this based on what we were discussing before I threw in the towel)

Now that aside: I don't disagree that women hitting their 30's have a problem finding men. But that's been the case long before the internet. You might disagree on that, but I don't know what to tell you. The "cat lady" stereotype is part of this.

If the main problem is caused by the gender imbalance on dating apps... just try to date women outside of those apps, because by definition there are more women than men not using them? Like I said, it's an arbitrage opportunity.

It's one of the main issues. The online realm just makes it worse.

I'm saying the offline imbalance by definition creates a reverse imbalance in offline spaces, so if dudes aren't pursuing women there, where it would be easier, that's on them.

  what?

TL;DR:

1) Online: Men > Women in terms of numbers. Thereby making it harder for men to find women.
2) Offline: Women > Men in terms of numbers/places/things. Thereby making it easier for men to find women.

"Reverse imbalance" may be what is throwing you off. But his point is: If you can't beat the men (pause) online, you should try offline because most women now a days may not expect that. But that brings up another discussion about how to approach women offline in the age of dating apps/etc.

[Himu]

Feminism has problems but dating apps isn't one of them.

[Rahxephon91]

Assy is correct on all points. Women are the worst.

[Nabbis]

Cindi!

Rahx!

[tiesto]

Cindi! 

[Assimilate]

Guys, woah woah woah woah. This nothing what i'm saying. I'm sorry Stro, i figured you might have read the links that started this whole thing so i assume you're on the same page.

Popping in to say: Your links are a waste of time. That's why nobody reads them.

That aside: The Esquire article was interesting (though I don't completely buy it and the study's conclusions). So thanks for that.

This has nothing to do with me. I'm talking about the negative effects of social media. The bodybuilding example is one where many younger males fall into this idea that they can achieve the same physique as those of their youtube fitness celebrities. They can't, because it's an illusion, a manipulation, 99% of them (the popular ones) take roids. This is the negative side, which was still there during my early adulthood because NO ONE on the cover of those magazines were natural.

You must know some really weird teenage boys, because the majority of them are either internet nerds, video-gamers, or into sports (which would fit your "brainwashed to be muscle-y" opinion). The vast majority of them are not going to pump iron for women, and if you truly believe that, you're crazy.

Sorry i keep assuming everyone that engages actually did some effort in following the discussion.

And I feel bad because Mandark made this thread because I wanted to discuss this with you when your entire point is "social media distorts women's views and makes them think they're more hotter than they are." Which (I'll give you a semi-point. Ok? You have a semi-point there) is pretty bullshit. Because conversely, we could take your mindview of yourself being a complete and total chad (and this is an exaggeration here, because nobody here thinks this) and say that's based on... who knows, whatever the fuck you want to base it on. The point is, you view yourself as hot-shit when really: You're not.

So really, this whole discussion has me and you agree on some points (because I can see how shitty dating apps are for both sexes on hetero- and homo- sexualities), but vastly disagreeing in views because you (like Rah before he finally started to get it into his head) have this distorted opinion on what women should be/do when they aren't the fair maidens you thought they'd be.

(Full disclosure: I haven't even caught up in this thread. I'm telling you this based on what we were discussing before I threw in the towel)

Now that aside: I don't disagree that women hitting their 30's have a problem finding men. But that's been the case long before the internet. You might disagree on that, but I don't know what to tell you. The "cat lady" stereotype is part of this.

If the main problem is caused by the gender imbalance on dating apps... just try to date women outside of those apps, because by definition there are more women than men not using them? Like I said, it's an arbitrage opportunity.

It's one of the main issues. The online realm just makes it worse.

I'm saying the offline imbalance by definition creates a reverse imbalance in offline spaces, so if dudes aren't pursuing women there, where it would be easier, that's on them.

  what?

TL;DR:

1) Online: Men > Women in terms of numbers. Thereby making it harder for men to find women.
2) Offline: Women > Men in terms of numbers/places/things. Thereby making it easier for men to find women.

"Reverse imbalance" may be what is throwing you off. But his point is: If you can't beat the men (pause) online, you should try offline because most women now a days may not expect that. But that brings up another discussion about how to approach women offline in the age of dating apps/etc.

Why do i think i'm hot shit? I know my level, i know what i can pull or not. I don't over punt my coverage.

And no offline it isn't more women than men. Not sure what gave you that idea.

[Mandark]

If a lot more men than women use dating apps, then more women than men don't use dating apps.

This can be proved with an abacus.

[Assimilate]

If a lot more men than women use dating apps, then more women than men don't use dating apps.

This can be proved with an abacus.

This can't be proven by any of us empirically so shut the fuck up.

In the states that i frequent in the U.S there tends to be more thirsty men out there than women. Going to any bar, club, whatever you want, it's mainly dudes. What state has this on the flip side? My Univ had way more women, but at social meets it was more dudes, same went for any other university campus i've been to .This goes for the gym as well. Now i compare it to places i stay in South America and it's the flip side. I'll occasionally find more women than men at social places, or even at the gym.

[naff]

Assimilate goes to sausage fests. Declares empirical evidence there are more thirsty mans than womans.

[Mandark]

If a lot more men than women use dating apps, then more women than men don't use dating apps.

This can be proved with an abacus.

This can't be proven by any of us empirically so shut the fuck up.

Not empirically, analytically.

[Rahxephon91]

Whar are the stats on buff dudes to back up this idea Assimilate?

Because I've spent much of the last 40 years looking around for buff dudes to check out and I haven't noticed much of a difference in buff dude density.

I don’t even know what we mean when we say buff. Do we mean like muscle bound freak ripped or simply in shape? I don’t see muscle bound freak guys honestly with what I would consider super hot women.

I see them with muscle bond women probably because they are into the same type of lifestyle.

At the end of the day I just think taking under this seriously is  pretty stupid.

[agrajag]

https://www.youtube.com/user/buffdudes

?

[I'm a Puppy!]

Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina.

[agrajag]

Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina.

Not in this post-cis world, friend-o

[Rahxephon91]

This thread fucking sucks.

[benjipwns]

well i mean look who started it

[Assimilate]

I'm confused on what you guys want..... scientific data? like???

Just accept my bro science and shut the fuck up and decide for yourselves if i'm wrong or not.

Whar are the stats on buff dudes to back up this idea Assimilate?

Because I've spent much of the last 40 years looking around for buff dudes to check out and I haven't noticed much of a difference in buff dude density.

I don’t even know what we mean when we say buff. Do we mean like muscle bound freak ripped or simply in shape? I don’t see muscle bound freak guys honestly with what I would consider super hot women.

I see them with muscle bond women probably because they are into the same type of lifestyle.

At the end of the day I just think taking under this seriously is  pretty stupid.

see, that's an observation i'd say you were right about. You don't see muscled freaks all ripped with hot girls, you see them with other ripped girls.

Was that hard? SHolud i throw it in your face that you didn't back this up with proper citations?

[Assimilate]

I will say I completely agree with you that "male body image" has changed a lot over the years, but it happened before social media and honestly I'm not 100% sure it really contributes that much specifically.

I noticed about 15-20 years ago on TV the "bring out ripped shirtless dudes while chicks whistle in the crowd" shtick became rampant on TV shows; sort of a backlash to the typical "bring out half naked chicks while the dudes jeer" shtick that is still not uncommon. 

Then of course there's movies/movie stars and Hollywood in general.   You had Stalone and Arnold in the 80s of course so it's nothing new necessarily, but the sheer amount of movie stars that now look like HGH freaks is off the charts.  And the "hearthrob" type that used to be a not-buff guy with a purdy mouf turned into a ripped dude with 1% body fat shirtless all the time with a purdy mouf.

Literally 100s of millions or billions of young men around the world are influenced by Hollywood as do young women who see that body type as ideal and more realistic than it is;  whereas while you might think fitness "influencers" on social media are popular, it's nothing compared to Hollywood's influence.

So I'd definitely agree with the THEORY that the "unrealistic male body image" is a bigger problem than it ever has been for both young men and their female suitors, I don't know that social media is really at fault as much a media in general.  And how much does it ACTUALLY affect the average person?  I dunno, I don't think this is as rampant of a problem as you think. 

I'm obviously a bit older and married but I have friends in there early 20s and hang out around a lot of people in different scenes and if anything going out to clubs, the "ripped dude with a tight shirt" cliche is less noticable than ever.  They were everywhere in the early 2000s when I was first clubbing a lot, nobody really seems that obsessed with body image at all, etc.

If anything it's shocking how many nerdy looking fucks feel comfortable looking like nerdy fucks.

i guess it depends on where you go, live, etc.  i agree on the nerdy fucks though, they're everywhere now.

[agrajag]

everything men do in public is seen as creepy or rapey 

[Phoenix Dark]

You can be as ripped as Zyzz himself...if you're a fucking weirdo who can't have decent conversations you're going to get passed over. Hell she might pick a dad bod dude over you, if he's funny and COOL. All of these dudes complaining about women need to put the internet down and go talk to people.

Here, let me put this into faux male intellectual terms you can understand: your father didn't have the internet, Steam sales or the MCU. He spent his time in the real world talking to people, including women. In order to attract a mate, he had to know how to talk, how to make people laugh, how to be normal, etc. And clearly he succeeded because he found a mate (your mother) and busted a nut inside her. Now flash forward to today: his seed is failing because unlike the father, he has no social skills. The internet and social media has sapped him of the need to converse with human beings in real life in order to live a "social" life, so he sits on the computer/phone/Microsoft Surface (PAID ADVERTISEMENT) all day complaining.