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Title: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 06, 2007, 08:33:45 AM: WHO IS EXCITED? :-* It is now officially opening on Thursday May 22nd.

I am still in shock this film is actually coming, and next year at that.

Here is how Summer 2008 looks so far:
Iron Man - 5/2
The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian - 5/16
Indiana Jones IV - 5/22
Speed Racer - 5/23
The Incredible Hulk - 6/27
Wall-E - 6/27
The Dark Knight - 7/18
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: G The Resurrected on February 06, 2007, 09:41:24 AM: Ok question time will connery be in it or not. That is the billion dollar questions. No connery no ticket sale. Harrison ford cant sell a film on his own anymore. Just look at his last two monumental failures. We all love Indy, but we love Indy's dad even more. I need to hear some more cocky funny from connery before the old mother fucker dies.

Fuck i cant sleep
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 06, 2007, 10:12:01 AM: Quote from: G on February 06, 2007, 09:41:24 AM
Ok question time will connery be in it or not. That is the billion dollar questions. No connery no ticket sale. Harrison ford cant sell a film on his own anymore. Just look at his last two monumental failures. We all love Indy, but we love Indy's dad even more. I need to hear some more cocky funny from connery before the old mother fucker dies.

Fuck i cant sleep
Connery said if any film would bring him out of his acting retirement it would be Indy a few weeks ago.

Lucas has said Connery will be in it whether he wants to be or not.

Meaning? Most likely he will be.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Tauntaun on February 06, 2007, 10:22:32 AM: I wonder if they'll fight terrrists in this one and if they did it'd be awesome if Connery stuck a fork up ones ass.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 06, 2007, 11:51:31 AM: Quote from: Tauntaun on February 06, 2007, 10:22:32 AM
I wonder if they'll fight terrrists in this one and if they did it'd be awesome if Connery stuck a fork up ones ass.
It will be the commies most likely seeing how it takes place in the 50's
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 06, 2007, 11:52:31 AM: There was a rumor that Ford was going to quit if he can't use the whip.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 06, 2007, 12:14:44 PM: Quote from: Willco on February 06, 2007, 11:52:31 AM
There was a rumor that Ford was going to quit if he can't use the whip.
I doubt Paramount would have finalized a date if they thought Harrison would quit.

That rumor started at a little site and spread for some reason. The site was the same that started the rumor that Tom Cruise would be in Star Trek XI which J.J. Abrams said was not true so there you go.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Mupepe on February 06, 2007, 12:27:28 PM: Harrison Ford totally sold me on 6 Days, 7 Nights. That film rocked all sorts of ass. Anyways, I'll be in line Day 1 for this even if it turns out to be total ass.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 06, 2007, 12:36:58 PM: I dont get why people are so worried about it being bad.

George Lucas did the story yes, but isn't it general consensus that Lucas is a brilliant story teller but tends to be very weak at writing the scripts for his story and directing? His best works (ESB & Raiders) are where he gave the script writing and directing to others so I don't see a problem with that.

And Steven Spielberg is directing this, it isn't like say a Die Hard 4 or something where the original director is long gone.

Indiana Jones 4 is done by the same team as Raiders, I don't see how a problem will arise.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Mupepe on February 06, 2007, 12:44:15 PM: I don't really have an idea if it will be bad or not. But I'm just saying I will be there no matter what.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 06, 2007, 12:48:44 PM: Quote from: Mupepe on February 06, 2007, 12:44:15 PM
I don't really have an idea if it will be bad or not. But I'm just saying I will be there no matter what.
I know, but there are many who are.

I don't get the rational behind it. The track record so far has proven solid yet people still expect the worst.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Mupepe on February 06, 2007, 12:50:38 PM: I think it's just the blind (but well-targeted) hate for Lucas right now.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 06, 2007, 12:54:03 PM: Quote from: Mupepe on February 06, 2007, 12:50:38 PM
I think it's just the blind (but well-targeted) hate for Lucas right now.
But as I said, Lucas while a weak writer and director has been pretty solid at coming up with stories and letting others craft them into scripts and direct them as shown with ESB and the Indiana Jones trilogy.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Mupepe on February 06, 2007, 12:55:03 PM: Quote from: Cheebs on February 06, 2007, 12:54:03 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on February 06, 2007, 12:50:38 PM
I think it's just the blind (but well-targeted) hate for Lucas right now.
But as I said, Lucas while a weak writer and director has been pretty solid at coming up with stories and letting others craft them into scripts and direct them as shown with ESB and the Indiana Jones trilogy.
But the people with the blind hate don't see that! They just see Lucas' ugly face with that scruffy beard and that SW runing agenda and my God! THE HATE MAN!

(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g209/jay-mo/Johnny-Depp---Fear-Loathing-in-Las-.jpg)
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2007, 12:56:23 PM: Quote from: Cheebs on February 06, 2007, 12:36:58 PM
I dont get why people are so worried about it being bad.

George Lucas did the story yes, but isn't it general consensus that Lucas is a brilliant story teller but tends to be very weak at writing the scripts for his story and directing? His best works (ESB & Raiders) are where he gave the script writing and directing to others so I don't see a problem with that.

And Steven Spielberg is directing this, it isn't like say a Die Hard 4 or something where the original director is long gone.

Indiana Jones 4 is done by the same team as Raiders, I don't see how a problem will arise.

Wow Cheebs you are stupid. You don't see how problems will arise? :lol

I'm gonna see this no matter what, but the fact of the matter is that Ford is the same age Connery was when he played Indy's father. More than a decade ago.

In terms of the blockbusters...Iron Man will suck because it won't have Tom Cruise. Prince Caspian could be like a Sinbad movie so I look forward to it. Hulk will suck. The Dark Night will be the best movie of 2008 probably. Speed Racer lol. Wall-E wtf is that
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Tauntaun on February 06, 2007, 01:10:15 PM: (http://www.celebsa-z.com/images/celebrity_pics/george_lucas.jpg)

why youssa no likey?
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 06, 2007, 01:11:25 PM: Indiana Jones 4 is the last movie in the world that needs to be made.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2007, 01:18:01 PM: Quote from: Tauntaun on February 06, 2007, 01:10:15 PM
(http://www.celebsa-z.com/images/celebrity_pics/george_lucas.jpg)

why youssa no likey?

I like Lucas. I respect what he did with Star Wars, and how he shared the profits of the original movies with his crew. Also I love his storytelling; Star Wars and Indiana Jones are iconic staples of American culture.

But I can't stand what he did with Star Wars. The movies could have possibly been better if he allowed others to write the screenplay. But like M Night Shamalynan he seems unwilling to let someone else do it for him, perhaps out of arrogance. Both of them simply can't write scripts anymore
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Mupepe on February 06, 2007, 01:19:33 PM: LADY IN THE WATER WAS COOL! SCREW YOU
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 06, 2007, 01:31:37 PM: this had BETTER be R-rated.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2007, 02:21:24 PM: Quote from: Mupepe on February 06, 2007, 01:19:33 PM
LADY IN THE WATER WAS COOL! SCREW YOU
:lol :lol :lol

Perhaps the worse acting I've seen in a movie in forever. "CLEVELAND, RUN"...wow
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 06, 2007, 02:32:13 PM: Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2007, 01:18:01 PM
Quote from: Tauntaun on February 06, 2007, 01:10:15 PM
(http://www.celebsa-z.com/images/celebrity_pics/george_lucas.jpg)

why youssa no likey?

I like Lucas. I respect what he did with Star Wars, and how he shared the profits of the original movies with his crew. Also I love his storytelling; Star Wars and Indiana Jones are iconic staples of American culture.

But I can't stand what he did with Star Wars. The movies could have possibly been better if he allowed others to write the screenplay. But like M Night Shamalynan he seems unwilling to let someone else do it for him, perhaps out of arrogance. Both of them simply can't write scripts anymore
He is willing still. He outlined Indiana Jones IV and wrote the story but he gave it to David Koepp.

ALSO Revenge of the Sith was ghost-re-written by another screen writer. The final ROTS script was not by Lucas(though he took credit for it, thus it being ghost-rewritten).

Who wrote the final ROTS script? Tom Stoppard. The man who co-wrote BRAZIL.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 06, 2007, 03:07:57 PM: This movie is going to blow, Cheebs. Sorry to break it to you.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 06, 2007, 03:09:14 PM: Quote from: Willco on February 06, 2007, 03:07:57 PM
This movie is going to blow, Cheebs. Sorry to break it to you.
I love the Indiana Jones trilogy with insane passion. I will be for Indy 4 what the insane star wars apologists were for the prequels so I doubt it. ;)
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 06, 2007, 03:34:20 PM: Just because you're an apologist, doesn't mean the movie doesn't blow. See Episode III
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 06, 2007, 03:47:08 PM: Quote from: Willco on February 06, 2007, 03:34:20 PM
Just because you're an apologist, doesn't mean the movie doesn't blow. See Episode III
I am not a star wars apologist. the prequels cant compare to ANH and ESB. ROTJ vs ROTS is debatle but I would easily say:

1. ANH (nostalgia puts it above ESB for me)
2. ESB

50. ROTJ
51. ROTS

100. TPM(yes, TPM ahead of AOTC)
101. AOTC
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 06, 2007, 03:58:16 PM: I put TPM ahead of both. I think the prequels got progressively worse.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Solo on February 06, 2007, 03:59:08 PM: Another case of pointless franchise whoring. It'll still make a bundle because all the Cheebs' of the world will run out and see it repeatedly though.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 06, 2007, 04:00:14 PM: Quote from: Willco on February 06, 2007, 03:58:16 PM
I put TPM ahead of both. I think the prequels got progressively worse.
TPM felt like a film more so than AOTC and ROTS which seemed to go over the top in cgi and I liked that.

ROTS ahead of AOTC purely because it had much better "action" and for Palpatine, the only well acted character in the prequels. Both were meh in story. ROTJ outside the last 20 min or so was a bore.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Solo on February 06, 2007, 04:05:07 PM: ESB aside, the franchise progressed from average to tripe from the outset.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Solo on February 06, 2007, 04:07:13 PM: Just for fun:

ANH - 7/10
ESB - 8.5/10
ROTJ - 6/10

TPM - 5/10
AOTC - 2/10
ROTS - 3/10
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 06, 2007, 04:43:26 PM: I agree with those ratings, but I think ROTS is worse than AOTC. AOTC is painful, but it's at least coherent. ROTS is like an incoherent collection of clips of people playing a Star Wars: Battlefront.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Mupepe on February 06, 2007, 05:04:09 PM: I never finished ROTS. I turned off the DVD and gave it to my brother in law the same day. It was awful.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 06, 2007, 05:05:46 PM: The Phantom menace sucked, but if AoTC and RoTS were alot better, then the prequals would have been ok in my book.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 06, 2007, 05:10:29 PM: I would score them as

ANH - 10/10
ESB - 10/10
ROTJ - 6.5/10

TPM - 6/10
AOTC - 5/10
ROTS - 6/10

Edit: Thinking about I do think I like TPM best of the prequels. Best duel, and felt like a real film more so than the rest.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 06, 2007, 05:12:09 PM: ANH-9.5
ESB-10
EOTJ-10

TPM-2
AoTC-1
ToTS-1.5

Fun Fact: I actually saw Phantom menace 3 times the day it opened. :-\
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 06, 2007, 05:14:10 PM: How do you love ROTJ so much? Most of the problems that plagued the prequels were creeping in by the time of ROTJ.

MORE FUN OF A FACT: I saw TPM at midnight. twice. I saw it midnight opening day here and USA and I was on vacation in England when it opened there so I went at midnight opening night there for the fun of it.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 06, 2007, 05:17:39 PM: Quote from: Cheebs on February 06, 2007, 05:14:10 PM
How do you love ROTJ so much? Most of the problems that plagued the prequels were creeping in by the time of ROTJ.

My problems with the sequals

Shitty shitty story (RoTJ has the best story)
Crappy overused CGI (none in RoTJ)
Cardboard acting (RotJ has some good acting for the trilogy)
Prequals rely too much on flashy shit that doesnt fit in the universe
They also dont even match up correctly with original trilogy. Like, WHY THE FUCK DID AMADALA DIE GIVING BIRTH? YOU SHITHEAD GEROGE DONT YOU REMEMEBR THE SCENE IN ROTJ WHERE LEIA SAS SHE REMEMBERS HER REAL MOTHER.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 06, 2007, 05:28:31 PM: ROTJ to me was nothing more than muppets and ewoks but with a damn fantastic 20 min finale with Ian McDiarmid being awesome.
Harrison's acting in ROTJ was disappointing. He was not putting effort into it and it was obvious.

Ian McDiarmid is the only watchable actor in the prequels. Somehow(outside a few moments in ROTS) he is able to take the insane dialog's and make it sound good.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: xnikki118x on February 07, 2007, 12:14:48 AM: Quote from: Cheebs on February 06, 2007, 10:12:01 AM
Lucas has said Connery will be in it whether he wants to be or not.

Meaning? Most likely he will be.

Haha how's he gonna make him be in the film?
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2007, 01:04:39 AM: Quote from: Solo on February 06, 2007, 04:07:13 PM
Just for fun:

ANH - 7/10
ESB - 8.5/10
ROTJ - 6/10

TPM - 5/10
AOTC - 2/10
ROTS - 3/10

Fuck you

ANH - 9.5/10
ESB - 10/10
ROTJ 9/10

TPM- 5/10
AOTC 3/1-
ROTS 5.5/10
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2007, 02:27:51 AM: THE FINAL INDISPUTABLE WORD ON STAR WARS

ANH - 4.0/10
ESB - 6.0/10
ROTJ - 3.0/10

TPM - 3.0/10
AotC - 0.5/10
RotS - 1.5/10
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Solo on February 07, 2007, 07:59:47 AM: Quote from: Willco on February 06, 2007, 04:43:26 PM
I agree with those ratings, but I think ROTS is worse than AOTC. AOTC is painful, but it's at least coherent. ROTS is like an incoherent collection of clips of people playing a Star Wars: Battlefront.

AOTC takes the crown of shittiness for me for the fireplace scene alone. WTF was that retardly written, awfully acted abomination? That, along with the "sand is rough, your skin is smooth" garbage are possibly the 2 worst scenes in film history.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: tiesto on February 07, 2007, 08:42:11 AM: Quote from: Drinky Crow on February 07, 2007, 02:27:51 AM
THE FINAL INDISPUTABLE WORD ON STAR WARS

ANH - 4.0/10
ESB - 6.0/10
ROTJ - 3.0/10

TPM - 3.0/10
AotC - 0.5/10
RotS - 1.5/10

I'm gonna dispute that you should've rated TPM lower...
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 07, 2007, 09:21:12 AM: I feel TPM is aging the best of the prequels so far which is quite suprising. I think it will be the most well looked upon of the three 25+ years from now.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2007, 11:31:55 AM: Quote from: Cheebs on February 07, 2007, 09:21:12 AM
I feel TPM is aging the best of the prequels so far which is quite suprising. I think it will be the most well looked upon of the three 25+ years from now.
:lol

Jar Jar? Shut the hell up Jacob. ROTS is the best of the three and will go down as such. Although being the best of the prequels is nothing to be proud of
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 12:00:49 PM: TPM is easily the best of three, Phoenix Dark. It comes at no surprise that its ranked that way by the REAL objective people in this thread.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2007, 12:04:30 PM: Quote from: Willco on February 07, 2007, 12:00:49 PM
TPM is easily the best of three, Phoenix Dark. It comes at no surprise that its ranked that way by the REAL objective people in this thread.

Objective people giving ESB a 6/10? Yea, right.

TPM is considerably worse than ROTS.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 12:11:50 PM: ESB 6/10?

Yeah, now I know you have no taste. ::)
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2007, 12:13:10 PM: Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 07, 2007, 12:11:50 PM
ESB 6/10?

Yeah, now I know you have no taste. ::)

Drinky did it, not me
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 12:15:02 PM: I know. The dude also hates Fight Club and thinks Godfather is "meh".
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 07, 2007, 12:15:12 PM: ROTS is more "fun" in that it has the best action and feels the most "OTish" of the three but as a FILM the phantom menace is the most well done.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2007, 12:22:40 PM: Yea, but it sucks. I saw it twice in the theater and liked it a bit, but once I got the DVD and watched it without the surrounding hype I saw it for what it was. Basically people wanted to see Star Wars NOT go out like a pussy, and the movie wound up getting lots of praise simply because it didn't suck as bad as the other two. I suppose it's "fun" but it's also pretty damn stupid
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 12:26:29 PM: ROTS had the worst action, the worst acting, the worst directing and the worst editing of all three. I don't know what you're on about.

TPM looked like a film, was way better paced, edited, written and acted. Also, the duel at the end was superior, by far, to any in Revenge of the Sith. All of the action in ROTS was distinguished mentally-challenged, and again, looked like video captured from Star Wars: Battlefront
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2007, 12:28:42 PM: You think AotC is better than ROTS?
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 12:31:20 PM: Just by a hair. In honesty, they're both pretty atrocious. AOTC has worse dialogue, but is more coherent. I remember watching ROTS in Hollywood with film school grads and they were like, "WTF was that? That wasn't even a movie!"
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2007, 12:34:15 PM: AOTC was horrible to the point I can't watch it. The special effects in the movie are just terrible, especially in the city scenes.

At least ROTS had a couple interesting parts. I love the scene where Palpatine tells Anakin about the mitochorians lol :lol
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 12:35:35 PM: WTF that scene is awful. Let's cram a bunch of exposition that should've been fleshed out over the entire trilogy into one distinguished mentally-challenged CG-filled sequence and in one swoop, bring back the dreaded M-word (midichlorians are the dumbest fucking thing ever).
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2007, 12:36:10 PM: ESB, depsite being far and away the best of a crap series, is still an INSTALLEMENT IN A CRAP SERIES. The acting remains uniformly awful (a few bit characters aside), the plot is utter sci-fi fluff, and the directing (of the actors in particular; less so the shots) is still largely incompetent. Again, theme, set direction, and costuming are good, but they don't excuse the general awfulness of Lucas' "epics".
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2007, 12:37:37 PM: Yeah, the Anakin/Palaptine theatre scene is, to mix my metaphors, pure scenery-chewing ham. The only scene that's worse is the distinguished mentally-challenged porn faces scene when Windu and Palpatine fight. WTF!

I may change my vote to RotS as the worst movie. Besides, I think I've managed to banish AotC from my memory completely.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2007, 12:38:10 PM: Quote from: Willco on February 07, 2007, 12:35:35 PM
WTF that scene is awful. Let's cram a bunch of exposition that should've been fleshed out over the entire trilogy into one distinguished mentally-challenged CG-filled sequence and in one swoop, bring back the dreaded M-word (midichlorians are the dumbest fucking thing ever).

I got my attention actually. Yea the idea was pretty stupid, but I found that story more interesting than any of the action in the movie
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2007, 12:38:58 PM: AotC failed as a movie on pretty much every level. TPM, for all of its gross flaws, has a campy charm and feels like some sort of dopey sci-fi Muppet romp with a killer soundtrack. If you don't treat it like a Star Wars movie and instead regard it as, I dunno, The CG Dark Crystal in Space, it's vaguely -- very vaguely -- charming.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 12:39:58 PM: I disagree on ESB. Mark Hamill's acting noticeably improved, and Ford was a shining spot. Only Carrie Fisher was fringe, but that was more her dialogue than anything else (and she nailed it when it matted - "I love you." "I know."). All of the supporting characters rocked and the story was good fun.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 12:41:17 PM: AOTC was pretty horrible. I almost got kicked out of the theatre when I saw it for heckling it.

Drinky is right about TPM.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2007, 12:41:37 PM: Empire Strikes Back is classic. :bow
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2007, 12:42:33 PM: Good fun doesn't make a good movie -- it just makes you a good nerd. And I disagree on Ford -- I thought he was fairly wooden throughout all three movies, but I've always considered him to be pretty subpar as actors go. Even in my precious Raiders I still feel the movie succeeds in spite of him rather than because of him.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 12:42:43 PM: Whoa now. Empire Strikes Back is pretty good, but a classic? C'mon.

I think with the last two prequels, nothing with Star Wars on the cover can even be considered remotely a classic.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2007, 12:46:03 PM: RotS felt like a bunch of shitty videogame cutscenes strung together and poorly-edited.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2007, 12:46:45 PM: Quote from: Willco on February 07, 2007, 12:42:43 PM
Whoa now. Empire Strikes Back is pretty good, but a classic? C'mon.

I think with the last two prequels, nothing with Star Wars on the cover can even be considered remotely a classic.

10/10 :bow

Perfectly paced. While the acting isn't great, it's competant and you some of the lines are so awesome they can't be ruined. Plus it's the ultamite 2nd act in a trilogy because it sets up the 3rd perfectly. It leaves you with many cliff hangers that don't feel contrived or weak.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 12:47:37 PM: Quote from: Drinky Crow on February 07, 2007, 12:46:03 PM
RotS felt like a bunch of shitty videogame cutscenes strung together and poorly-edited.

Amen.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2007, 01:03:34 PM: PD, ESB does have the pacing on its side, but some of those lines are pure drippy cheese ("nerf herder" et al). I suppose your preference for ESB (and the OT in general) depends entirely on the level of sophistication you demand from your cinema.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 07, 2007, 01:05:00 PM: AOTC had ONE scene I liked even though I find it the worst of the SW films. There is one scene in the movie I to this day find fun and enjoyable.

It is the one when Anakin and Padme get to that bug planet and have to for some reason go through that droid factory thing and kept having to deal with outrageous stuff.

It reminded me of the death star stuff in ANH and was fun. That is the only thing in the movie to put a smile on my face.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 01:13:48 PM: RotS was the most entertaining of the prequel films, though TPM was the best in a techincal sense (aside from puppet Yoda... :yuck ). There's no way you can tell me TPM entertained you more than RotS without having me laugh in your face. An hour of masturbatory pod-racing? No thanks.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2007, 01:16:02 PM: Every minute I spent watching RotS was a moment I spent praying for death, so unless you consider suicidal thoughts "entertaining", then no, RotS was NOT more entertaining than TPM.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2007, 01:26:20 PM: Quote from: Drinky Crow on February 07, 2007, 01:03:34 PM
PD, ESB does have the pacing on its side, but some of those lines are pure drippy cheese ("nerf herder" et al). I suppose your preference for ESB (and the OT in general) depends entirely on the level of sophistication you demand from your cinema.

It's not about sophistication; it's fucking Star Wars. It does what he sets out to do very nicely, and it's one of the most influencial franchises in movie history.

Of course some of the lines are cheesy. But after watching the movie again it's impressive how great a lot of the writing actually is. People seem to forget that the movies were Lucas' homage to fuckin FLASH GORDON

If you want amazing acting and perfect writing go watch To Kill a Mockingbird ( :hyper). Star Wars shouldn't be judged as strictly as those types of movies. Cheese is cheese, but still...the movie wasn't meant to be some great accomplishment in acting.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2007, 01:34:28 PM: it's influential not from any directorial perspective, but because NERDS LATCH ONTO SCI-FI. Hell, its fandom is more notorious than any of the many generic directorial techniques Lucas employed in the movie.

And the writing is pure pulp -- again, it's inspirational to nerds, much as Flash Gordon and the serials of the 50s were inspirational to Lucas, but in terms of influencing the development of cinema (outside of demonstrating that a certain significant audience will go apeshit for sci-fi)? It's largely useless. It's the Final Fantasy of its era.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 07, 2007, 01:42:41 PM: Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 07, 2007, 01:13:48 PM
RotS was the most entertaining of the prequel films, though TPM was the best in a techincal sense (aside from puppet Yoda... :yuck ). There's no way you can tell me TPM entertained you more than RotS without having me laugh in your face. An hour of masturbatory pod-racing? No thanks.
That is how I feel. TPM is the better film but ROTS is more entertaining.

Also remember for the DVD Lucas EXTENDED the pod-race by a extra 10 min. :lol
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2007, 01:49:46 PM: TPM had a dumb charm that kept me moderately engaged despite my endless eye-rolling and wincing. It didn't even seem like a Star Wars movie.

RotS, on the other hand, wasn't even remotely entertaining -- it was an endless pastiche of dry, dreadful, and unpleasantly ridiculous scenes of the sort untalented comic book and videogaming nerds might visualize if they were given access to an SGI render farm. OMG FOUR LIGHTSABERS! I'VE GOT THE HIGH GROUND! FORCE BATTLE! PALPATINE GRANDSTANDING! ORDER 88! YODA FLIPPIN' OUT DOIN' HOP AND BOP LIKE MARIO! BOSS FIGHTS GALORE! LIZARD RIDIN' MINI-GAME! INCOHERENT SPACE BATTLE! NATALIE PORTMAN SO PRETTY AND INNOCENT LIKE AERIS! TRANSFORMERS! LAVA STAGE! PLATFORMIN' ACTION! OMG OMG OMG!

RotS is ManaByte the Movie.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 01:56:08 PM: ::)
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 07, 2007, 01:56:57 PM: what amazes me is what happened from TPM to AOTC. TPM did have tons of CGI but it had REAL sets and REAL locations and scenes with not much cgi(excluding Jar Jar). But AOTC and ROTS were like 3 humans standing on a green screen with every thing else being cgi for the entire movies.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2007, 02:00:56 PM: Quote from: Cheebs on February 07, 2007, 01:56:57 PM
what amazes me is what happened from TPM to AOTC. TPM did have tons of CGI but it had REAL sets and REAL locations and scenes with not much cgi(excluding Jar Jar). But AOTC and ROTS were like 3 humans standing on a green screen with every thing else being cgi for the entire movies.

That's why I hated them. One of the reasons LOTR felt so fresh is because of the beautiful locations in which it was shot; that can't be replicated on a green screen. Sadly Jackson followed the Lucas playbook with Kong, which featured too many green screen scenes.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 02:01:44 PM: Quote from: Cheebs on February 07, 2007, 01:56:57 PM
what amazes me is what happened from TPM to AOTC. TPM did have tons of CGI but it had REAL sets and REAL locations and scenes with not much cgi(excluding Jar Jar). But AOTC and ROTS were like 3 humans standing on a green screen with every thing else being cgi for the entire movies.

qft
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 02:39:40 PM: Quote from: Drinky Crow on February 07, 2007, 01:49:46 PM
TPM had a dumb charm that kept me moderately engaged despite my endless eye-rolling and wincing. It didn't even seem like a Star Wars movie.

RotS, on the other hand, wasn't even remotely entertaining -- it was an endless pastiche of dry, dreadful, and unpleasantly ridiculous scenes of the sort untalented comic book and videogaming nerds might visualize if they were given access to an SGI render farm. OMG FOUR LIGHTSABERS! I'VE GOT THE HIGH GROUND! FORCE BATTLE! PALPATINE GRANDSTANDING! ORDER 88! YODA FLIPPIN' OUT DOIN' HOP AND BOP LIKE MARIO! BOSS FIGHTS GALORE! LIZARD RIDIN' MINI-GAME! INCOHERENT SPACE BATTLE! NATALIE PORTMAN SO PRETTY AND INNOCENT LIKE AERIS! TRANSFORMERS! OMG OMG OMG!

RotS is ManaByte the Movie.

:lol

This is so accurate.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 07, 2007, 02:46:31 PM: The whole yoda vs. palpatine fight while pretty seemed to have no logically reason for being there nor did grevious. So much of ROTS didn't move the plot and then in the last half hour they rush everything so they can tie up all the loose ends before ANH.

I mean wtf at the force ghost explanation. It was just randomly yoda telling obi-wan without any context "qui-gon is back he'll teach you stuff after this movie bye" it was so confusing.

Edit: I realize Liam had a scene in the script for ROTS but when he wouldn't do the film it kinda of messed stuff up but still Lucas could have still done SOMETHING else other than a quick throwaway line.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 03:00:18 PM: So both Drinky and Willco prove their poor taste when it comes to Star Wars films, excellent.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 03:04:23 PM: I think the best cut bit of dialogue, in terms of horribleness, is that Palpatine tells Anakin that he conceived him with the midichlorians and they use almost the exact same dialogue from the Vader/Luke confrontation in ESB ("Search your feelings, you know it to be true").

None of the movie makes sense. None of the action sequences carry any weight or progress the story. It hardly ties up any loose ends, and if anything else, introduces more loose ends.

The Padme death sequence was distinguished mentally-challenged. So, physically she's fine, but emotionally she's so depressed she dies? Wow, what a great mother - it's obvious she gives a shit about her kids. The Vader sequence gave birth to the laughable, "NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooOOOO!" Then Padme shits out the two kids and gives them names with her dying breath, which apparently Leia remembers (I've had Star Wars nerds explain this off as force sensitive crap).

The dumbest thing is that Yoda is there for the birth, but seemingly forgot about Leia in Empire 'till ghost Obi-Wan goes, "No, there is another..."

Or the fact they put Luke on Tatooine.

Or that Yoda basically gives up in the Palaptine duel, when he's got a clear advatange, only to crawl away and go, "To exile I go, see you bitches in Empire."

Who movie is fucking dumb and full of shitty writing.

Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 07, 2007, 03:00:18 PM
So both Drinky and Willco prove their poor taste when it comes to Star Wars films, excellent.

I think we proved that you have shitty taste when it comes to films period!
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 03:07:41 PM: And the other two aren't? RotS > TPM > AotC, there's no question about it. I'd rather watch some souless space battles and Anakin getting ripped to shreds than a young Anakin building sandcastles and flying pods around for three hours.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 03:08:54 PM: None of the prequels are great, but the Episode II and III are abominations - Episode I is just mediocre.

I'm glad you'd rather watch boring CG than an actual duel and a real movie (and the only movie with a decent soundtrack). Speaks volumes about your preferences! Seriously, though, you could come over and pay me to play Battlefront. You'll get the same amount of joy out of watching me do that as watching Episode III. Plus, Battlefront makes more sense!
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 03:09:40 PM: Says the guy who liked SoaP. ::)
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 03:11:02 PM: You act like as if people hated it, Shake. There's a difference between nobody seeing it and people hating it. The overwhelming concensus from people who saw it was that it was a great deal of fun. And it was.

Again, speaks volumes about your tastes!
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 03:15:17 PM: Quote from: Willco on February 07, 2007, 03:11:02 PM
You act like as if people hated it, Shake. There's a difference between nobody seeing it and people hating it. The overwhelming concensus from people who saw it was that it was a great deal of fun. And it was.

Again, speaks volumes about your tastes!

Uh, there are plenty of people who hated it. Just because you and your friends are drawn to lame, one-note joke films doesn't mean everyone else is.

A simple search for mentions in the last few weeks brings up:

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=4744.msg114678#msg114678 (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=4744.msg114678#msg114678) :lol
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 03:27:27 PM: When did I say everyone liked it? Uh, how 'bout never. But the target demo, the one that created the self-annointed Internet phenomenon really enjoyed it. You can go to any big forum, from SA to GAF to where ever to see that. Don't get all defensive because you like videogame footage branded as Star Wars, whilst unable to enjoy a movie called Snakes on a Plane.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 03:30:27 PM: When did I ever say I liked video game footage in leu of actual film content?

Exactly. Even so, a dog taking a shit replayed for three hours would have been more interesting than TPM.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 03:31:27 PM: You obviously were entertained by Revenge of the Sith!
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 03:32:34 PM: I was more (the key word) entertained by RotS than TPM: The Great Pod Race.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Tauntaun on February 07, 2007, 03:36:29 PM: (http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/0/0e/180px-Arrested_Development_-_Star_Wars_Kid.jpg)

Jedi on a Plane would have been awesomer!
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 03:37:11 PM: Quote from: Tauntaun on February 07, 2007, 03:36:29 PM
(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/0/0e/180px-Arrested_Development_-_Star_Wars_Kid.jpg)

Jedi on a Plane would have been awesomer!

:-*
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Tauntaun on February 07, 2007, 03:38:28 PM: Here's lookin at you Shake. :heart
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 03:39:44 PM: :o :hyper
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Solo on February 07, 2007, 03:42:21 PM: Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 07, 2007, 12:15:02 PM
I know. The dude also hates Fight Club and thinks Godfather is "meh".

There is no helping those that don't love The Godfather. But, to be fair, Fight Club is a fucking pretentious turd of a movie. Se7en r.ocks my shit, but Fight Club is an embarassing tribute to the mentality of young adult males circa 1999.

Also, though I already handed out numbers, I will do it with >'s.

ESB>ANH>a kick to the balls>ROTJ>root canal>TPM>castration>ROTC>AOTC
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Solo on February 07, 2007, 03:43:45 PM: del, motherfuckers!
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 03:44:35 PM: WTF does "sucks my shit" mean? o_O

If you mean to say Se7en is bad, then you have failed me for eternity.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Solo on February 07, 2007, 03:45:25 PM: When I type "r.ocks" (- the period), "sucks" comes up. WTF?

And no, as stated, I love Se7en. Fight Club is tripe though. It belongs in a boat with Donnie Darko sailing to the "WTF Is This Shit" island.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 03:46:03 PM: Solo sucks.

^ Dude, wtf? I typed r.o.c.k.s. too >:(
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Solo on February 07, 2007, 03:47:21 PM: I tried it twice and "sucks" came up both times. Gay.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2007, 03:48:05 PM: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/snakes_on_a_plane/

The movie was well received for what it was. It's by no means on the level of say Epic Movie
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 03:50:06 PM: Let me put this in perspective. The movie was called Snakes on a Plane. It delivered its promise of snakes on said plane.

Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith did not deliver Star Wars, nor avenge the Sith (how could it - why were they revegenful of?). It just sucked.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 07, 2007, 03:51:09 PM: I still have no clue why the prequals got so many good reviews. ???
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 03:51:21 PM: So now a film like Brazil has to deliver only "Brasil" for it to be good?

Step your game up, Willco. This is a pathetic excuse. :rofl
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2007, 03:54:24 PM: Quote from: Willco on February 07, 2007, 03:50:06 PM
Let me put this in perspective. The movie was called Snakes on a Plane. It delivered its promise of snakes on said plane.

Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith did not deliver Star Wars, nor avenge the Sith (how could it - why were they revegenful of?). It just sucked.

I can't argue with that

I've always been of the opinion that if I want to watch a smart, intelligent action/adventure movie that's perfectly written/acted I'd watch Spartacus. But if I want an awesome, fun...somewhat "cheesy" action/adventure movie that brings me back to my childhood while still impressing me, I'll watch Star Wars
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 07, 2007, 03:54:54 PM: Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 07, 2007, 03:51:21 PM
So now a film like Brazil has to deliver only "Brasil" for it to be good?

Step your game up, Willco. This is a pathetic excuse. :rofl

I think his argument was that anyone expecting quality cinema for snakes on a plane was distinguished mentally-challenged. Most of us were expecting the prequals to be good since it took 20 years to make them. Instead we got fed horseshit.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 03:55:58 PM: The OT doesn't even give me that nostalgic feel these days, what with all the "upgrading" Lucas has done. Now it just feels like a slightly better acted, more light-hearted version of the prequel films. :-\

I, and many others, were expecting SoaP to be stupid fun. All I got was the stupid, and none of the fun.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 03:59:07 PM: Snake, per usual, missed the boat. Flame is right for the most part.

Snakes on a Plane was a movie about snakes on a fucking plane. It wasn't high art. It said, "Hey, we're a movie about snakes on a plane with Samuel L. Jackson." There was no false advertising. You were not going to get Citizen Kane with serpents. If you walked in there and walked out disappointed, you probably shouldn't have bought a ticket in the first place.

I don't get how you expected stupid fun and just got stupid. What, did you expect to have some kind of Quentin Tarantino-like dialogue about snakes on a plane? It was snakes! On a plane!
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 07, 2007, 04:00:51 PM: How do any of you fegs enjoy movis? Jesus christ just sit back and enjoy the blinking lights when it comes to the OT.

You guys overthink everything.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 04:01:18 PM: Why do you keep thinking I expected this to be good? You would have to be blind to think that this film could be anything but terrible. Me? I expected something of "so bad its good" quality, like the horror films of old. What did I get? Keenan Thompson playing a PSP and shitty "I'll always be there for you" dialogue. Weak.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 04:03:08 PM: I never said you expected it to be good. But I don't know how you could walk into a movie called Snakes on a Plane and then walk out disappointed.

IT'S SNAKES. ON A PLANE.

That's like walking into a movie called BACKDRAFT and come out complaining that it had too many fire sequences in it.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 07, 2007, 04:04:02 PM: Snakes on a Plane was pretty godawful.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 04:05:26 PM: Once again, since when does the title of a film have to indicate "THIS IS ALL THE FILM IS ABOUT, DON'T EXPECT ANYTHING BETTER"? That's just a crappy excuse to defend your poor taste.

Yes, there were snakes on planes. That can't hold a movie for 90 minutes, though, and it did not.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 07, 2007, 04:06:25 PM: Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 07, 2007, 04:05:26 PM
Once again, since when does the title of a film have to indicate "THIS IS ALL THE FILM IS ABOUT, DON'T EXPECT ANYTHING BETTER"? That's just a crappy excuse to defend your poor taste.

Yes, there were snakes on planes. That can't hold a movie for 90 minutes, though, and it did not.

Hes not talking about the FUCKING TITLE. He is talking about expectations (of which the title is PART of). Where you expecting SoAP to be oscar worthy?
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 04:06:36 PM: It has nothing to do with the title, it was the film!

That's like watching BOA vs PYTHON and going, "OH MY GOD, THIS IS A MOVIE ABOUT TWO SNAKES FIGHTING!"

Why would you pay money to see Snakes on a Plane if you thought snakes on a plane couldn't hold a movie for 90 minutes?

Answer: YOU'RE distinguished mentally-challenged
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 04:08:02 PM: I'm not going to see 2 Fast 2 Furious, a film about cars and racing because cars and racing are dumb. Why would I pay money to see that movie, then walk out and go, "Holy shit, it was about CARS and RACING!"

Movies that are very upfront about their subject matter and deliver as promised are one of those enter at your own risk type things.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 04:08:18 PM: Wow, so now I'm distinguished mentally-challenged for expecting SoaP to be stupid funny?

Film fanatics with lame taste can be so hostile sometimes. :rofl

Why did I pay money to see the film? So defensive fucks like you guys couldn't say "WELL U DIDNT EVEN SEE IT" when I tell them it sucked.

It sucked.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 04:09:02 PM: You're distinguished mentally-challenged for a lot of things, this is just the nail in the distinguished mentally-challenged fellow coffin. ;)
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2007, 04:09:46 PM: Quote from: Solo on February 07, 2007, 03:42:21 PM
Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 07, 2007, 12:15:02 PM
I know. The dude also hates Fight Club and thinks Godfather is "meh".

There is no helping those that don't love The Godfather. But, to be fair, Fight Club is a fucking pretentious turd of a movie. Se7en r.ocks my shit, but Fight Club is an embarassing tribute to the mentality of young adult males circa 1999.

a) i think the godfather is a very well-directed movie with some amazing performances. however, it has been ripped off and satirized so many times that i find the movie almost unwatchable now -- its familiarity has become unpleasant. hence, i find it "meh" on a personal -- not a critical -- level. unlike some of the idiots around here, i can easily separate the two levels.

b) don't quote tds. i took him off ignore because i figured that if i wasn't there to provoke him, he might become readable on some level. he wasn't. now he's back on ignore. please contribute to quality posting by ignoring him as well!
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 04:10:58 PM: The distinguished mentally-challenged fellow parade is in full motion here on Evilbore!
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 04:11:24 PM: I feel that way about De Palma's Mission: Impossible nowadays. Enjoyable action fare for its time and pretty damn well directed, but it's been spoofed and quoted so many times it kind of takes away from the film
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 04:12:09 PM: Did somebody just compare The Motherfucking Godfather to Mission Impossible?!

:duh
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 07, 2007, 04:12:45 PM: Quote from: The Dark Shake on February 07, 2007, 04:12:09 PM
Did somebody just compare The Motherfucking Godfather to Mission Impossible?!

:duh
:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 04:13:14 PM: Again, you prove your retardedness. I never said the two are equal quality-wise, but we're comparing how spoofing/quoting ruins the original movie for us.

So, please, continue hitting yourself.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2007, 04:15:19 PM: ironically, a videogame -- Knights of the Old Republic -- is the best written and acted Star Wars experience.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 04:15:34 PM: Quote from: Willco on February 07, 2007, 04:13:14 PM
Again, you prove your retardedness. I never said the two are equal quality-wise, but we're comparing how spoofing/quoting ruins the original movie for us.

So, please, continue hitting yourself.

So now, because Evil Dead has been quoted/homaged so many times, you hate it?

Don't make me laugh. Your defense forces are about as effective as a nightlight is to a blind person.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 04:16:09 PM: What the fuck are you talking about, Shake. Make sense. Nobody is hating on Mission: Impossible, The Godfather or Evil Dead. Quit being stupid.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2007, 04:16:18 PM: Can we make quoting TDS a bannable offense?
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 04:16:52 PM: Ask demi lolz (jk he cant ban u no more)
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 04:17:10 PM: Quote from: Willco on February 07, 2007, 04:16:09 PM
What the fuck are you talking about, Shake. Make sense. Nobody is hating on Mission: Impossible, The Godfather or Evil Dead. Quit being stupid.

Yes, but MI and TG are "meh" because they've been so overquoted, but the same doesn't apply to your precious Evil Dead? Quit playing dumb.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 04:19:03 PM: Are you implying that The Evil Dead has been spoofed/quoted as much as The Godfather and Mission: Impossible?

:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 04:20:32 PM: Quote from: Willco on February 07, 2007, 04:19:03 PM
Are you implying that The Evil Dead has been spoofed/quoted as much as The Godfather and Mission: Impossible?

:lol :lol :lol

No, but it's not too far off.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 04:22:42 PM: What are you on? Maybe here, but in a little place I like to call real-life, they are so far off you use Bz's rectum to fill up the space.

Mission: Impossible, easily, up until The Matrix, was the most spoofed/satirized action film of the 90s. Specifically due to one scene. The Godfather has been quoted, spoofed and even ripped off in animated form (Clerks, to say the least) probably more than any other movie in existence.

Most people don't even know what The Evil Dead is.

Your argument has more holes in it than a dead rapper.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 04:24:57 PM: You, like most modern horror doesn't crib from Evil Dead. I've heard more "mainstream" folks quote Evil Dead than Mission Impossible or The Godfather combined. I guess it depends where you live, but the moral of the story is that anything considered a classic is bound to be spoofed/quoted, and letting it effect your enjoyment of the film is pretty distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2007, 04:26:53 PM: I usually don't, but Drinky is right - some hit a level where the source material loses its luster. Star Wars is the same way for me now (that, combined with the shitty sequels). Big whoop. We're not hating on the film, it's just the natural course of obnoxious pop culture references.

Quote from: Shake is a Big Fat Liar
I've heard more "mainstream" folks quote Evil Dead than Mission Impossible or The Godfather combined.

No, you haven't.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Tauntaun on February 07, 2007, 04:41:36 PM: Quote from: Drinky Crow on February 07, 2007, 04:15:19 PM
ironically, a videogame -- Knights of the Old Republic -- is the best written and acted Star Wars experience.

yes

spoiler (click to show/hide)
except for the ending and lack of ewoks :P
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Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 07, 2007, 05:44:52 PM: Willco -- yes, I have. The minute I mention Evil Dead I'm almost sure to get an "I love that movie! 'Hail to the King, Baby!', 'Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun!'". When I mention Godfather or M:I, I either get an "oh, I've heard of that movie" or a "wtf? that one with Tom Cruise? bleh".
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Yeti on February 08, 2007, 12:12:04 AM: Quote from: Drinky Crow on February 07, 2007, 04:15:19 PM
ironically, a videogame -- Knights of the Old Republic -- is the best written and acted Star Wars experience.

:bow
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 08, 2007, 08:27:05 AM: KOTOR was fantastic but its story was corny fanfic nonsense for the most part IMO. Way too similar to that fanfic star wars shit by timothy zahn and stuff. Only Lucas would be insane enough to charge people for fanfic nonsense.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: beelzebozo on February 08, 2007, 08:29:11 AM: they're fifteen years too late with this project.
someone blow this fetal flick back to god

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Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 08, 2007, 10:21:26 AM: Quote from: beelzebozo on February 08, 2007, 08:29:11 AM
they're fifteen years too late with this project.
someone blow this fetal flick back to god[/img]
Too late. It's in pre-production and will begin filming in a few months.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 08, 2007, 10:28:24 PM: Quote from: Cheebs on February 08, 2007, 08:27:05 AM
KOTOR was fantastic but its story was corny fanfic nonsense for the most part IMO. Way too similar to that fanfic star wars shit by timothy zahn and stuff. Only Lucas would be insane enough to charge people for fanfic nonsense.

The writing may be pulp, but it's vastly better pulp than the shit the entire Star Wars series featured. It had interesting, reasonably three-dimensional characters and a fairly sophisticated sense of humor -- none of which was present in ANY Star Wars movie.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 09, 2007, 08:35:30 AM: Not saying star wars plot is godly, it isnt. But the KOTOR storyline is cheesey fanfic nonsense regardless if it is enjoyable(and it's one of my top Xbox games). It has a Han Solo rip-off(Carth), the jedi girl was omgz tough and a rebel JUST LIKE LEIA LOL, yoda rip-off, R2 rip-off...etc

It just took the best characters of the OT and made weird rip-off's of them then put it in the past.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 09, 2007, 11:06:05 AM: No, it took the character classes (which were based on archetypes from the movies) from the Star Wars D20 game. Beyond those archetypes (and your two examples are dubious because out ide of Carth using blasters and dressing a bit like Han, he wasn't even remotely similar; and Bastila turned out to be not very tough at all despite being a Jedi), the characetrs aren't even remotely similar to those in the OT, the two little repair droids aside.

Lucas is a terrible writer. Many, many videogame writers are better than him. Why should anyone be surprised that he's so easily one-upped? Is this your "creators should control canon despite being demonstrably incompetent" argument again?
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 09, 2007, 11:17:20 AM: No its not that canon nonsense. TV shows, movies, books..etc don't count. I meant like "Episode VII" and the like.

Though personally I can't think of a single video game that had a story that moved me.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2007, 11:26:47 AM: Cheebs FTW
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 09, 2007, 11:30:48 AM: ESB and ANH were MOVING. I mean come on KOTOR a better plot than fucking A New Hope? That is absurd.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2007, 11:33:33 AM: Quote from: Cheebs on February 09, 2007, 11:30:48 AM
ESB and ANH were MOVING. I mean come on KOTOR a better plot than fucking A New Hope? That is absurd.

It's laughable, and to tell the truth I don't think Drinky believes that for a second either.

KOTOR merely takes themes from the movies and adds some tid bit to it. That's what videogames do: they copy film, yet they never surpass film.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 09, 2007, 11:35:54 AM: Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2007, 11:33:33 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 09, 2007, 11:30:48 AM
ESB and ANH were MOVING. I mean come on KOTOR a better plot than fucking A New Hope? That is absurd.

It's laughable, and to tell the truth I don't think Drinky believes that for a second either.

KOTOR merely takes themes from the movies and adds some tid bit to it. That's what videogames do: they copy film, yet they never surpass film.

Games have one advantage and that is the interactivity, which for alot of people makes a game more immersive.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 09, 2007, 11:39:33 AM: Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 09, 2007, 11:35:54 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2007, 11:33:33 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 09, 2007, 11:30:48 AM
ESB and ANH were MOVING. I mean come on KOTOR a better plot than fucking A New Hope? That is absurd.

It's laughable, and to tell the truth I don't think Drinky believes that for a second either.

KOTOR merely takes themes from the movies and adds some tid bit to it. That's what videogames do: they copy film, yet they never surpass film.

Games have one advantage and that is the interactivity, which for alot of people makes a game more immersive.
interactivity doesn't make a plot better. Most cases it makes it WORSE since the artist can't always dictate the order of things or how they will happen.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Mupepe on February 09, 2007, 11:40:19 AM: I can't believe this thread turned into another star wars bitchfest.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 09, 2007, 11:41:48 AM: Quote from: Mupepe on February 09, 2007, 11:40:19 AM
I can't believe this thread turned into another star wars bitchfest.
Well KOTOR should never be mentioned in the same breathe as Empire Strikes Back!
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2007, 11:46:36 AM: Quote from: Cheebs on February 09, 2007, 11:41:48 AM
Quote from: Mupepe on February 09, 2007, 11:40:19 AM
I can't believe this thread turned into another star wars bitchfest.
Well KOTOR should never be mentioned in the same breathe as Empire Strikes Back!
yeah lol

What a way to ruin your credibility in movie discussion :lol

Coming from ME that's harsh
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 09, 2007, 11:49:54 AM: Drinky has shitty taste, we all know this.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 09, 2007, 11:53:41 AM: Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2007, 11:46:36 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 09, 2007, 11:41:48 AM
Quote from: Mupepe on February 09, 2007, 11:40:19 AM
I can't believe this thread turned into another star wars bitchfest.
Well KOTOR should never be mentioned in the same breathe as Empire Strikes Back!
yeah lol

What a way to ruin your credibility in movie discussion :lol

Coming from ME that's harsh
I bet you'd find the story in OOT better than Kingdom of Heaven. :'(
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 09, 2007, 11:55:09 AM: That's it, the notion has passed! BAN DRINKY FROM MOVIE DISCUSSIONS! :punch :punch :punch
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 09, 2007, 11:58:49 AM: Nah. It's just that video games are a inferior art form objectively and should not be compared movies. Ever. Unless to say how much better movies are. :-*
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 09, 2007, 11:59:57 AM: ESB and ANH weren't moving if you were past the age of 12. After that age, basic literacy should ensure that the characterizations and dialogue in those two movies should elicit horrified giggles, not emotional responses.

I'm talking about the writing and the characters. KotOR's writing added far more human dimensions to the characters, and the plots actually took interesting detours. HK-47 was funnier than the entire OT combined.

Lucas is a TERRIBLE WRITER. Even Chris Claremont couldn't make those Willow novels readable.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 09, 2007, 12:01:01 PM: Quote from: Drinky Cum
This user is currently ignored.

:hyper
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 09, 2007, 12:01:20 PM: "I love you."
"I know."

>>>>>>>>>>>

KOTOR
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 09, 2007, 12:01:48 PM: I pray to God that you never write a script.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Cheebs on February 09, 2007, 12:03:14 PM: It would be worse than KOTOR if I tried probably, thats why I don't write movies.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment on February 09, 2007, 12:06:00 PM: Quote from: Cheebs on February 09, 2007, 12:03:14 PM
It would be worse than KOTOR if I tried probably, thats why I don't write movies.

INT. DRINKY'S DUNGEON

A greasy, rugged loser -- DRINKY CROW, 30's -- downs a handful of Cheetos, giggling every now and then at the illuminated television screen before him.

etc., etc., etc.
Title: Re: Final Indiana Jones Release Date: May 22, 2008
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2007, 12:07:08 PM: Quote from: Cheebs on February 09, 2007, 12:03:14 PM
It would be worse than KOTOR if I tried probably, thats why I don't write movies.
:lol