FoC's Ron Paul Shitheap: Patel Melts the Internets starting on pg. 24

[FlameOfCallandor]

Hey I made this little picture see what it would have been like if socialist Triumph was with the founding fathers at the birth of our nation. 



 

[Gay Boy]

George Washingtons views were cool back then. 2007 is a bit different. Going purely based on what the founding fathers said doesn't apply now. It's been hundreds of years it no longer can fully apply fully. Things change.

[FlameOfCallandor]

George Washingtons views were cool back then. 2007 is a bit different. Going purely based on what the founding fathers said doesn't apply now. It's been hundreds of years it no longer can fully apply fully. Things change.

What a heart warming speech gay boy. Im sure all this wishy washy thinking would hold up in court.

"You see judge, things just change, thus just do."

[Mandark]

FoC at the Consitutional Convention:

"Yeah, three fifths sounds about right.  I was never good at fractions, lol!"

[FlameOfCallandor]

FoC at the Consitutional Convention:

"Yeah, three fifths sounds about right.  I was never good at fractions, lol!"

What? Yes, I wish we could all have slaves. 

[Howard Alan Treesong]

FoC at the Consitutional Convention:

"Yeah, three fifths sounds about right.  I was never good at fractions, lol!"

What? Yes, I wish we could all have slaves. 

The rolleyes is because FoC really wishes only he could have slaves.

[FlameOfCallandor]

The rolleyes is because FoC really wishes only he could have slaves.

Where do you guys get all this garbage from?

Oh he doesnt agree with me. He must be pro-slavery.

 

[Human Snorenado]

As opposed to your MO of "ask someone a question, have it answered, make a point completely unrelated, ignore responses, rinse and repeat."

What have I ignored? Your ignorant Texas redneck rants?

Well, yes.  But also when Patel linked to that blog about Paul's voting record, you chose one thing (that you didn't even really understand) to highlight and ignored the rest.  How convenient.

Then there's Mandark's recent posts... which you are WILDLY missing/ignoring the point on and then making unrelated posts in response to.

Like I said, if I didn't know that you were stupid I would think that you were doing this to purposely annoy us.  But you are.  Stupid, that is.

Also, nice MS Paint skillz.

[Van Cruncheon]

The rolleyes is because FoC really wishes only he could have slaves.

Where do you guys get all this garbage from?

Oh he doesnt agree with me. He must be pro-slavery.

 

but patel is only doing unto you as you have done to others in this thread by ignoring the broader thrust of their points in favor of cherrypicking tangential specifics

also why do you hate black people

i'm gonna start filling this thread with pictures of larouche and badnarik rallies

[FlameOfCallandor]

Well, yes.  But also when Patel linked to that blog about Paul's voting record, you chose one thing (that you didn't even really understand) to highlight and ignored the rest.  How convenient.

I said I agree with most of it? Want to be more specific?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Well, yes.  But also when Patel linked to that blog about Paul's voting record, you chose one thing (that you didn't even really understand) to highlight and ignored the rest.  How convenient.

I said I agree with most of it. Want to be more specific?

[FlameOfCallandor]

but patel is only doing unto you as you have done to others in this thread by ignoring the broader thrust of their points in favor of cherrypicking tangential specifics

Please explain to me how making fals claims about someone is even remotly the same as only responding to half the inane shit that you guys try to throw at me.

[Mandark]

foc who did you vote for in 2004.

Kerry.

Kerry was more big govt. than bush, how did that fit your small govt. criteria.

At the time i was really interested in getting out of the war. and I thought the democrats wanted to do that. I also didnt realize that they were big govt. That election was freshman year of college for me. I was swept up in all the rhetoric about "democrats are for poor people and want to save society" "Republicans are evil because of bush, booooo"

This pretty much sums it up.

"Back then, my vast ignorance about every aspect of public policy didn't stop me from buying into a political program that I didn't really understand.  But now I've learned my lesson!  I'm going to do it with a *different* program this time!"

He's like a dollar-store David Horowitz.

[FlameOfCallandor]

also why do you hate black people

Why do you hate black people. You think people should be treated differently because of their skin color. That sounds racist to me.

[FlameOfCallandor]

This pretty much sums it up.
"Back then, my vast ignorance about every aspect of public policy didn't stop me from buying into a political program that I didn't really understand.  But now I've learned my lesson!  I'm going to do it with a *different* program this time!"
He's like a dollar-store David Horowitz.

At the time i was really interested in getting out of the war.
At the time i was really interested in getting out of the war.
At the time i was really interested in getting out of the war.

At the time i was really interested in getting out of the war.

At the time i was really interested in getting out of the war.

At the time i was really interested in getting out of the war.

At the time i was really interested in getting out of the war.

[Mandark]

How big a type font do you need to prove you're a well-informed citizen with good political judgment?

I don't know, let's ask Mr. Owl!

[FlameOfCallandor]

How big a type font do you need to prove you're a well-informed citizen with good political judgment?

I don't know, let's ask Mr. Owl!

What part of that dont you understand. I was obviously putting the issue of the war as my main voting point. Are you saying that I wasn't well informed because I was voting for a democrat?

[Mandark]

I also didnt realize that they were big govt.

Are you saying that I wasn't well informed

No, I think you're saying that.

[The Fake Shemp]

This sounds like post-Hitler Germany.

"At the time, it sounded like a great idea!"

[Gay Boy]

Ronald Reagan wanted to get rid of the dept. of education, was he your hero?

[FlameOfCallandor]

I also didnt realize that they were big govt.

Are you saying that I wasn't well informed

No, I think you're saying that.

Forgive me for not understanding 100% when I was 19

What's your point by the way. People arent allowed to change their mind?

[FlameOfCallandor]

This sounds like post-Hitler Germany.

"At the time, it sounded like a great idea!"

You just equated Kerry to hitler. 

[FlameOfCallandor]

Ronald Reagan wanted to get rid of the dept. of education, was he your hero?

Sure why not.

[Gay Boy]

Ronald Reagan wanted to get rid of the dept. of education, was he your hero?

Sure why not.

well that explains a lot.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Ronald Reagan wanted to get rid of the dept. of education, was he your hero?

Sure why not.

well that explains a lot.

What does that explain gay boy? Please inform the rest of us who cant read your garbage disposal you call a mind.

[Gay Boy]

I think everyone already understands the irony of you calling reagan a hero while mere months ago you tried to convince us you were an open minded liberal.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I think everyone already understands the irony of you calling reagan a hero while mere months ago you tried to convince us you were an open minded liberal.

First off, I didnt call Reagan a Hero I was merrily biting the bait to see what you said. Lets pretend that I do though.
Please link me to this thread where I said that.

[Mandark]

This thread is not nearly as fun when it turns into FoC vs. Cheebs.

Hopefully one of the ban bets will kick in and I can start cannibalizing the forum Democrats during primary season.

[Gay Boy]

This thread is not nearly as fun when it turns into FoC vs. Cheebs.

Hopefully one of the ban bets will kick in and I can start cannibalizing the forum Democrats during primary season.

I will willingly leave if Paul wins the primaries but honestly I do not fear that too much.

[FlameOfCallandor]

This thread is not nearly as fun when it turns into FoC vs. Cheebs.

Hopefully one of the ban bets will kick in and I can start cannibalizing the forum Democrats during primary season.

I will willingly leave if Paul wins the primaries but honestly I do not fear that too much.

What are you gonna do when you cant post on evilbore anymore?
 

[Human Snorenado]

This thread is not nearly as fun when it turns into FoC vs. Cheebs.

Hopefully one of the ban bets will kick in and I can start cannibalizing the forum Democrats during primary season.

I will willingly leave if Paul wins the primaries but honestly I do not fear that too much.

What are you gonna do when you cant post on evilbore anymore?
 

Well that's not going to happen, and sadly you won't get banned either.

But my guess is, if for some reason Cheebs got banned again he'd make a new account with the name of "Lemon Party Lad" or something.

[Gay Boy]

I didnt sneak back in. I made it obvious gay boy = me. I thought if I gave myself a humiliating name I would be let in, and voilia.

Edit: FoC doesnt need to be banned. He said he'll willingly leave if paul loses.

FoC I want your serious real answer to this:
The primary is in a month and a half yet Paul's poll numbers have shown no significant improvement these past few weeks. Why do you think this will change in December?

[FlameOfCallandor]

FoC I want your serious real answer to this:
The primary is in a month and a half yet Paul's poll numbers have shown no significant improvement these past few weeks. Why do you think this will change in December?

Obviously Im biased, but I think there is a huge part of the country that is pissed, Im hoping that alot of these people will go to the polls because of this. Most republicans are tired of defending the war, this shows that over 75% of the country wants to leave Iraq. Im banking on all the other republican candidates will look the same to the average primary goes and only Paul will stand out. I havent seen anything for any other GOP candidate like the gathering and enthusiasm I have seen for Paul's supporters. It's very encouraging to see a whole part of america waking up and seeing that their government is usurping power that is not given to them. Most of them just want to be left alone by the government. Can you imagine anyone going to a Rudy meetup?  What are they going to do? Talk about how great torture and hitler are?

I guess I am hoping for his momentum to keep raising. He's gaining more and more momentum everyday, while all the other candidates are just kind of dicking around.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Hey Gay Boy read this.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/11/12/paul/

Ron Paul distortions and smears
I'm not trying to be Ron Paul's advocate but, still, outright distortions and smears are distortions and smears. In an otherwise informative and legitimate (and widely-cited) post today about Paul's record in Congress, Dave Neiwert claims:

[Gay Boy]

that comments on the flag burning votes, I never brought those up nor did anyone else. Most seemed concerned with his abortion stances, religious stances, and taking away rights of people during crisis's

[Howard Alan Treesong]

that comments on the flag burning votes, I never brought those up nor did anyone else. Most seemed concerned with his abortion stances, religious stances, and taking away rights of people during crisis's

Not to mention his monetary policy and wholesale discounting of legal precedent.

P.S. "otherwise informative and legitimate"

[FlameOfCallandor]

that comments on the flag burning votes, I never brought those up nor did anyone else. Most seemed concerned with his abortion stances, religious stances, and taking away rights of people during crisis's

Not to mention his monetary policy and wholesale discounting of legal precedent.

Unconstitutional legal precedent is still unconstitutional.

[FlameOfCallandor]

 You guys sure love to chery pick that article. Allow me to post th rest of the article.

That isn't to say that nobody can ever be deemed extremist or even crazy. But I've heard Ron Paul speak many times now. There are a lot of views he espouses that I don't share. But he is a medical doctor and it shows; whatever else is true about him, he advocates his policies in a rational, substantive, and coherent way -- at least as thoughtful and critical as any other political figure on the national scene, if not more so. As the anti-Paul New York Sun noted today, Paul has been downright prescient for a long time in warning about the severe devaluation of the dollar.

And -- as the above-cited efforts to compel Congress to actually adhere to the Constitution demonstrate -- few people have been as vigorous in defense of Constitutional principles as those principles have been mangled and trampled upon by this administration while most of our establishment stood by meekly. That's just true.

Paul's efforts in that regard may be "odd" in the sense that virtually nobody else seemed to care all that much about systematic unconstitutional actions, but that hardly makes him a "weirdo." Sometimes -- as the debate over the Iraq War should have demonstrated once and for all -- the actual "fruitcake" positions are the ones that are held by the people who are welcome in our most respectable institutions and magazines, both conservative and liberal.

Under the right circumstances, enforcement of norms might have some utility. Where things are going relatively well, and the country has a healthy political dialogue, perhaps there isn't much of a need to expand the scope of ideas that we consider "normal." Having all the people whose views fit comfortably in the mainstream stigmatize as "fruitcakes" all those whose views are outside of the mainstream might, under those happy circumstances, bear little cost.
But our country isn't doing all that well right now. Our political dialogue isn't really vibrant or healthy. It seems rather self-evident that it is preferable to enlarge the scope of ideas that we consider and to expand the debates that we engage. The "norms" that have prevailed over the last six years have led the country quite astray and are in need of fundamental re-examination, at the very least. That a political figure (or pundit) clings loyally to prevailing norms isn't exactly evidence of their worth, let alone their mental health. The contrary proposition might actually be more plausible.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

In what ways are these legal precedents unconstitutional?

Why the focus on "constitutionality"? I like the Constitution as much as the next American, but there's many other documents (like the Civil Rights Act of 1964) that I would consider equally important to our identity as Americans.

I refuse to venerate the Constitution like it's an unchangeable religious text; I believe that our government's ultimate accountability is to its citizenry, not a 200 year old document.

Do you really believe that Ron Paul will be able to erase the past 150 years of American democracy and start again from scratch?

[FlameOfCallandor]

In what ways are these legal precedents unconstitutional?

Why the focus on "constitutionality"? I like the Constitution as much as the next American, but there's many other documents (like the Civil Rights Act of 1964) that I would consider equally important to our identity as Americans.

I refuse to venerate the Constitution like it's an unchangeable religious text; I believe that our government's ultimate accountability is to its citizenry, not a 200 year old document.

Because the constitution is the law.
If you want to change the law then you go about the proper means to do that. There are ways to change the constitution, It is not unchangeable.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Just because the war in Iraq was a bad idea doesn't mean I should vote for Ron Paul. Just because the dollar is devalued doesn't mean I should vote for Ron Paul. Just because our government is turning into a police state doesn't mean I should vote for Ron Paul.

I agree that all of those are problems with America today, but I don't believe that Ron Paul has the solutions. And nothing you have said has convinced me otherwise. You talk about him like he's a prophet, but I'd prefer a politician.

Reply to my other points.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Just because the war in Iraq was a bad idea doesn't mean I should vote for Ron Paul. Just because the dollar is devalued doesn't mean I should vote for Ron Paul. Just because our government is turning into a police state doesn't mean I should vote for Ron Paul.

I agree that all of those are problems with America today, but I don't believe that Ron Paul has the solutions. And nothing you have said has convinced me otherwise. You talk about him like he's a prophet, but I'd prefer a politician.

So what is the solution?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Reply to my other points.

I did, your points were "It's 200 years olg OMgZZ."


Thats wishy washy interpretation. The constitution is the law. You cannot change the just agree to ignore it, you have to change it.

[FlameOfCallandor]

So what is the solution?

Hey Patel, if we think about it hard enough and just wish upon a magical star will all those problems go away?
 



After all thats as wishy washy as you think the constitution is.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Just because the war in Iraq was a bad idea doesn't mean I should vote for Ron Paul. Just because the dollar is devalued doesn't mean I should vote for Ron Paul. Just because our government is turning into a police state doesn't mean I should vote for Ron Paul.

I agree that all of those are problems with America today, but I don't believe that Ron Paul has the solutions. And nothing you have said has convinced me otherwise. You talk about him like he's a prophet, but I'd prefer a politician.

So what is the solution?

The solution isn't to eliminate the government; the solution is to create a socially responsible government that is able to provide for the citizenry while safeguarding important privacy rights.

Politics is not a some Manichean nightmare; there is a full spectrum of possibility between a dystopian police state and an anarchic nightmare.

GEEZ SORRY I TOOK THREE WHOLE MINUTES TO REPLY WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM

[FlameOfCallandor]

The solution isn't to eliminate the government

Am I advocating anarchy?

the solution is to create a socially responsible government that is able to provide for the citizenry while safeguarding important privacy rights.

I agree I think a government should provide the citizenry with liberty. But as long as you thikn the governments job is to take care of you cradle to grave you will be giving up liberties and you will be allowing the government more and more control over your life.

Politics is not a some Manichean nightmare; there is a full spectrum of possibility between a dystopian police state and an anarchic nightmare

And now I think it's time the pendulum swings away from police state.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Do you believe in the germ theory of disease? Or are you a Liberty Scientist?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Do you believe in the germ theory of disease? Or are you a Liberty Scientist?

I dont know. What are these and what do they have to with politics?

[Human Snorenado]

http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press2002/pr100402.htm

OMG, check it out!  Looks like Paul DID want to go to war with Iraq, he just wanted to make it look all nice, official and CONSTITUTIONAL.

So, how do you feel supporting someone who advocated war with Iraq, FoC?

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press2002/pr100402.htm

OMG, check it out!  Looks like Paul DID want to go to war with Iraq, he just wanted to make it look all nice, official and CONSTITUTIONAL.

So, how do you feel supporting someone who advocated war with Iraq, FoC?

... 


Read the salon article then get back to me.

[Human Snorenado]

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/ron-paul-one-388512.html

OMG, look!  Ron Paul getting supported by racists!  Go figure!  Shucks n' golly!

[Human Snorenado]

http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press2002/pr100402.htm

OMG, check it out!  Looks like Paul DID want to go to war with Iraq, he just wanted to make it look all nice, official and CONSTITUTIONAL.

So, how do you feel supporting someone who advocated war with Iraq, FoC?

... 


Read the salon article then get back to me.

I don't see why I should do anything you tell me to do, you fucking baboon.  You're my intellectual inferior.  FACT.

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/ron-paul-one-388512.html

OMG, look!  Ron Paul getting supported by racists!  Go figure!  Shucks n' golly!

Nice strawman. 

Whatever happened to "I do not agree with what you say but I will fight for your right to say it?"

[FlameOfCallandor]

I don't see why I should do anything you tell me to do, you fucking baboon.  You're my intellectual inferior.  FACT.

You might sound like you know what you are talking about if you read that article...

It's funny coming from someone who cant keep a job, smokes all day, probably eating twinkies and claims to get paid MPEG wages even though you have reel, you have no experience and you have no talent. Most likely you edit some porn here and there, just enough to live in your friend's house.
 

[Human Snorenado]

I don't see why I should do anything you tell me to do, you fucking baboon.  You're my intellectual inferior.  FACT.

You might sound like you know what you are talking about if you read that article...

It's funny coming from someone who cant keep a job, smokes all day, probably eating twinkies and claims to get paid MPEG wages even though you have reel, you have no experience and you have no talent. Most likely you edit some porn here and there, just enough to live in your friend's house.
 

It's funny, you know about as much about me as you do about politics!

[brawndolicious]

foc, imagine that the government HAS to survive as a world superpower and consider that this country wasn't found on having liberty, it was a power grab from britain cause they saw they were being controlled by a smaller country, started a war lalala constitution.

I'm not exaggerating.  read the literature from the time.  colonists couldn't give a shit about liberty when they started the revolutionary war.

if you want to talk about "common sense" (pun there lol) in changing the rights of the individual and the corporations and the government to make the world more fair, you have to do more than change a 250 year old document.  that lemon party lad that you love (ron paul) doesn't see this for whatever reason and I'm guessing it's because he's old.  he's senile.  I really can't see any other reason why he'd be so stupid.

some people said that the libertarianism foc has is like a religion.  it's closer to militant atheism but you replace all the fairy tales with facts.

[FlameOfCallandor]

It's funny, you know about as much about me as you do about politics!

LOLOaLAOWLOWLWOLOLOERcats!!!

[FlameOfCallandor]

foc, imagine that the government HAS to survive as a world superpower and consider that this country wasn't found on having liberty, it was a power grab from britain cause they saw they were being controlled by a smaller country, started a war lalala constitution.

What? English please.

I'm not exaggerating.  read the literature from the time.  colonists couldn't give a shit about liberty when they started the revolutionary war.

It was a war over taxes, I know.

if you want to talk about "common sense" (pun there lol) in changing the rights of the individual and the corporations and the government to make the world more fair, you have to do more than change a 250 year old document. 

Why does the age of the document have anything to do with this. Please get a new meme.

that lemon party lad that you love (ron paul) doesn't see this for whatever reason and I'm guessing it's because he's old.  he's senile.  I really can't see any other reason why he'd be so stupid.

He's actually not very senile at all. Have you seen him talk? He has held the same values since he started.

some people said that the libertarianism foc has is like a religion.  it's closer to militant atheism but you replace all the fairy tales with facts.

What?

[Gay Boy]

Gosh darnit those ron paul rallies suuure are big! oh wait





America is really hating on these big govt. liberalz and rallying around ron paul!

[FlameOfCallandor]

Are you gonna vote for Hillary?


If the general election is Hilary vs. Ron Paul, I would bet my life savings on Dr. Paul.