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« Reply #840 on: November 15, 2007, 10:11:04 AM »
so what do you think of muslims now?

they should be euthanized.

Personally, I think flipper people should be euthanized.  Muslims have contributed a lot to the world throughout time, whereas flipper people just sit around, spend my tax money on worthless shit and then have to fucking whine about it.
All muslims have done is start holy wars and killed millions of people, I don't think flipper people have ever killed anyone.

Not true!  Read up on it, Muslims have done lots, like invent algebra or something and most importantly not be born disgusting flipper things.
Well if they're smart enough to have made algebra than they should be smart enough to realize that Allah doesn't exist and Muhammed had obvious mental issues and if they stopped believing in such bullshit they could actually make a prosperous country that isn't ruled by dickheads.
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« Reply #841 on: November 15, 2007, 10:24:29 AM »
so what do you think of muslims now?

they should be euthanized.

Personally, I think flipper people should be euthanized.  Muslims have contributed a lot to the world throughout time, whereas flipper people just sit around, spend my tax money on worthless shit and then have to fucking whine about it.
All muslims have done is start holy wars and killed millions of people, I don't think flipper people have ever killed anyone.

Not true!  Read up on it, Muslims have done lots, like invent algebra or something and most importantly not be born disgusting flipper things.
Well if they're smart enough to have made algebra than they should be smart enough to realize that Allah doesn't exist and Muhammed had obvious mental issues and if they stopped believing in such bullshit they could actually make a prosperous country that isn't ruled by dickheads.

Allah is the same God as the God of Christianity and Judaism you idiot. Islam split off from Judaism via one of Abraham's children. Much like Christianity being a split off religion from Judaism.
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« Reply #842 on: November 15, 2007, 10:28:18 AM »
so what do you think of muslims now?

they should be euthanized.

Personally, I think flipper people should be euthanized.  Muslims have contributed a lot to the world throughout time, whereas flipper people just sit around, spend my tax money on worthless shit and then have to fucking whine about it.
All muslims have done is start holy wars and killed millions of people, I don't think flipper people have ever killed anyone.

Not true!  Read up on it, Muslims have done lots, like invent algebra or something and most importantly not be born disgusting flipper things.
Well if they're smart enough to have made algebra than they should be smart enough to realize that Allah doesn't exist and Muhammed had obvious mental issues and if they stopped believing in such bullshit they could actually make a prosperous country that isn't ruled by dickheads.

Allah is the same God as the God of Christianity and Judaism you idiot. Islam split off from Judaism via one of Abraham's children. Much like Christianity being a split off religion from Judaism.
I know that, I hate all religions.
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« Reply #843 on: November 15, 2007, 10:29:58 AM »
so what do you think of muslims now?

they should be euthanized.

Personally, I think flipper people should be euthanized.  Muslims have contributed a lot to the world throughout time, whereas flipper people just sit around, spend my tax money on worthless shit and then have to fucking whine about it.
All muslims have done is start holy wars and killed millions of people, I don't think flipper people have ever killed anyone.

Not true!  Read up on it, Muslims have done lots, like invent algebra or something and most importantly not be born disgusting flipper things.
Well if they're smart enough to have made algebra than they should be smart enough to realize that Allah doesn't exist and Muhammed had obvious mental issues and if they stopped believing in such bullshit they could actually make a prosperous country that isn't ruled by dickheads.

Allah is the same God as the God of Christianity and Judaism you idiot. Islam split off from Judaism via one of Abraham's children. Much like Christianity being a split off religion from Judaism.
I know that, I hate all religions.
how nice of you.
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« Reply #844 on: November 15, 2007, 10:33:45 AM »
so what do you think of muslims now?

they should be euthanized.

Personally, I think flipper people should be euthanized.  Muslims have contributed a lot to the world throughout time, whereas flipper people just sit around, spend my tax money on worthless shit and then have to fucking whine about it.
All muslims have done is start holy wars and killed millions of people, I don't think flipper people have ever killed anyone.

Not true!  Read up on it, Muslims have done lots, like invent algebra or something and most importantly not be born disgusting flipper things.
Well if they're smart enough to have made algebra than they should be smart enough to realize that Allah doesn't exist and Muhammed had obvious mental issues and if they stopped believing in such bullshit they could actually make a prosperous country that isn't ruled by dickheads.

Allah is the same God as the God of Christianity and Judaism you idiot. Islam split off from Judaism via one of Abraham's children. Much like Christianity being a split off religion from Judaism.
I know that, I hate all religions.
how nice of you.
Well when you relize that the world would be far better off if religion never existed I think any sane person would. Look at the facts, if religion never existed then:

1. There would be no wars over who has the best imaginary friend, thus millions of lives would be saved.
2. Science would not have been outlawed for 700 years, maybe I wouldn't have flippers.
3. The ignorance and bigotry of people would be far less.
4. The middle east and the world itself would be in far less turmoil.
5. We could accept things as they are, not as some mythological beings say they are.

Sure there'd still be all of that, but to a far less degree.
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« Reply #845 on: November 15, 2007, 12:31:06 PM »
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3) There is no casual connection between what you are posting and voting for Ron Paul. Several other candidates are running on a platform of balancing the budget and fiscal responsibility.

Who?

My quasi-friend from St. Louis for example.
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« Reply #846 on: November 15, 2007, 12:35:57 PM »
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It's one thing for the left to grudgingly support international intervention. It makes some sense for the group that believes that government is omniscient enough to bring about fairness, justice and equality at home for the same people abroad. In fact I have never been able to make much sense out of the left-wing antiwar activism, simply because it cuts so much against the ideas of socialism.

lulz, that's a pretty shallow understanding of socialism he's displaying there.  but I guess he's trying to sell something to the right.
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« Reply #847 on: November 15, 2007, 12:46:01 PM »
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It's one thing for the left to grudgingly support international intervention. It makes some sense for the group that believes that government is omniscient enough to bring about fairness, justice and equality at home for the same people abroad. In fact I have never been able to make much sense out of the left-wing antiwar activism, simply because it cuts so much against the ideas of socialism.

lulz, that's a pretty shallow understanding of socialism he's displaying there.  but I guess he's trying to sell something to the right.

How is it shallow?

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« Reply #848 on: November 15, 2007, 01:12:28 PM »
left-wing socialism isn't about expanding state power.  opposition to war is much more fundamental to the socialist left.  read Rosa Luxemburg's pamphlet in response to the SPD's support of war credits in WWI.  http://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1915/junius/ch02.htm
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« Reply #849 on: November 15, 2007, 01:23:00 PM »
left-wing socialism isn't about expanding state power.
That might not be the intention, but it is a by product of everything the left does to move towards socialism.

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« Reply #850 on: November 15, 2007, 01:31:59 PM »
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That might not be the intention, but it is a by product of everything the left does to move towards socialism.

sure, but if it's clearly not the intention then Ron Paul's expression of bafflement at left-wing socialist antiwar activism is dishonest and/or silly.
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« Reply #851 on: November 15, 2007, 01:34:21 PM »
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That might not be the intention, but it is a by product of everything the left does to move towards socialism.

sure, but if it's clearly not the intention then Ron Paul's expression of bafflement at left-wing socialist antiwar activism is dishonest and/or silly.
Ron Paul didnt say that quote. What you said doesnt make any sense. Ron Paul is a big supporter of non violent protest.

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« Reply #852 on: November 15, 2007, 01:37:38 PM »
you're right, it was Lew Rockwell in the foreword to Paul's book.  I was skimming, sorry.
still silly though.
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« Reply #853 on: November 15, 2007, 01:43:58 PM »
you're right, it was Lew Rockwell in the foreword to Paul's book.  I was skimming, sorry.
still silly though.

Not really. It's a generalization, but not entirely inaccurate. The left things government can take care of them at home but not abroad and the right is vice versa. Nobody advocates that they can take care of themselves.

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« Reply #854 on: November 16, 2007, 03:54:21 PM »
so what do you think of muslims?

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« Reply #855 on: November 16, 2007, 03:56:28 PM »
so what do you think of muslims?
inherently evil ppl that are as stupid as they are fanatics for muhashit and allaahshit
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« Reply #856 on: November 16, 2007, 04:02:01 PM »
so what do you think of muslims?

inherently evil ppl that are as stupid as they are fanatics for muhashit and allaahshit

Look, FoC!  Your best friend is a flipper person- who knew!
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« Reply #857 on: November 16, 2007, 04:03:44 PM »

Look, FoC!  Your best friend is a flipper person- who knew!

You make fun of him, but I bet he can at least keep a job longer than a week.

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« Reply #858 on: November 16, 2007, 04:04:13 PM »
so what do you think of muslims?
inherently evil ppl that are as stupid as they are fanatics for muhashit and allaahshit

This doesn't make sense, because nobody is inherently evil.

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« Reply #859 on: November 16, 2007, 04:04:47 PM »
If you're muslim or religious in anyway you are.
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« Reply #860 on: November 16, 2007, 04:24:33 PM »
If you're muslim or religious in anyway you are.

Why?

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« Reply #861 on: November 16, 2007, 04:29:22 PM »
If you're muslim or religious in anyway you are.

Why?
Because religion breeds ignorance, bigotry, hypocrisy and all that is wrong. If religion never existed, could you honestly say this world wouldn't be better. Part of my hate for religion stems from not only my ultra religious parents, but the fact that despite saying as long as I believed in God anything were possible, yet I never got some new arms! Funny how those "healers" never fix someones physically deformed problems. Just think, if religion never existed and we weren't held back for 700 years by the fuckin pope maybe we'd have the ability to get me new arms. FUCKIN RELIGIOUS fegs!!!
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« Reply #862 on: November 16, 2007, 04:30:08 PM »
I HATE YOU RELIGIOUS fegs AND I HOPE YOU GO TO HELL!!!! AND GET YOUR BALLS RIPPED OFF POPE AND MUHAMMED!!!
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« Reply #863 on: November 16, 2007, 04:31:04 PM »
SERIOUSLY IF I EVER MET THE POPE I'D RIP HIS BALLS OFF AND MAKE HIM EAT THEM WHILE GIVING HIM CONDOMS!!
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« Reply #864 on: November 16, 2007, 04:32:15 PM »
God ripped your arms off, Synbios
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« Reply #865 on: November 16, 2007, 04:33:48 PM »
God ripped your arms off, Synbios
HENCE WHY I HATE RELIGION AND ALL THAT IT STANDS FOR!!! :maf :maf
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« Reply #866 on: November 16, 2007, 04:36:52 PM »
Without religion we might not have ever had the age of enlightenment.  :o

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« Reply #867 on: November 16, 2007, 04:37:12 PM »
God pooped on your face and gave you that mark, Synbios
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« Reply #868 on: November 16, 2007, 04:38:37 PM »
Without religion we might not have ever had the age of enlightenment.  :o
Without religion we never would've had the crusades, holy wars, and peace in the middle east.
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« Reply #869 on: November 16, 2007, 04:42:09 PM »
Without religion we might not have ever had the age of enlightenment.  :o
Without religion we never would've had the crusades, holy wars, and peace in the middle east.

Not religions fault, its more the corrupt people who use religion.

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« Reply #870 on: November 16, 2007, 04:45:40 PM »
Without religion we might not have ever had the age of enlightenment.  :o
Without religion we never would've had the crusades, holy wars, and peace in the middle east.

Not religions fault, its more the corrupt people who use religion.
People that got the idea from religion.
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« Reply #871 on: November 16, 2007, 04:47:15 PM »
People that got the idea from religion.

ok... What about people who ge tthe idea to help the poor through religion?

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« Reply #872 on: November 16, 2007, 04:48:35 PM »
People that got the idea from religion.

ok... What about people who ge tthe idea to help the poor through religion?
The people that use religion as a means to do harm far outweigh the people who use it to do good.
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« Reply #873 on: November 16, 2007, 05:04:26 PM »
Without religion we might not have ever had the age of enlightenment.  :o
Without religion we never would've had the crusades, holy wars, and peace in the middle east.

Not religions fault, its more the corrupt people who use religion.
I'm just so fucking sick of this apology! Guess fucking what! Islam itself is nothing but a tradition and goes hand in hand with the surrounding culture. Religion is born out of these traditions in the first place. "Oh, but Islam is so innocent, it's just the customs which are bad." No, you can't separate these two. This IS Islam however you want to turn it.
Islam is exactly what the people who practise think it is because it offers so much room for interpretation. And this fact alone shows how dangerous it is.
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« Reply #874 on: November 16, 2007, 05:10:30 PM »
because it offers so much room for interpretation.
that describes every damn religion
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« Reply #875 on: November 16, 2007, 05:24:25 PM »
I'm just so fucking sick of this apology! Guess fucking what! Islam itself is nothing but a tradition and goes hand in hand with the surrounding culture.
Most religion comes down to tradition. Tradition was and arguably is an important part of human civilization.

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« Reply #876 on: November 17, 2007, 01:11:02 PM »
Hey cheebs whre does universal healthcare fit into the presidential oath of office?

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b-b-b-but the constitution is 200 years old.

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« Reply #877 on: November 17, 2007, 03:11:34 PM »
Hey cheebs whre does universal healthcare fit into the presidential oath of office?

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I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.


b-b-b-but the constitution is 200 years old.

WHERE DOES FEDERAL MONEY FOR HIGHWAYS FIT IN, YOU IGNORANT SHITBURGER?

BU BU BU BU BUT DON'T DRIVE ON HIGHWAYS ANYMORE, YOU MOUTHBREATHING JACKASS
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« Reply #878 on: November 17, 2007, 03:14:28 PM »
Holy fuck, 21 pages? Is this where ALL the political discussion goes?
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« Reply #879 on: November 17, 2007, 03:42:32 PM »

WHERE DOES FEDERAL MONEY FOR HIGHWAYS FIT IN, YOU IGNORANT SHITBURGER?

BU BU BU BU BUT DON'T DRIVE ON HIGHWAYS ANYMORE, YOU MOUTHBREATHING JACKASS

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I would argue that the interstate highway system falls under this clause.

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« Reply #880 on: November 17, 2007, 04:39:30 PM »
providing basic healthcare also would make sense for that.  it boosts your economy because won't die/get so sick and it's hardly the type of thing you can get a free ride out of.
Holy fuck, 21 pages? Is this where ALL the political discussion goes?
I think so.  Some might say it's to keep foc out of other political threads but I dunno.

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« Reply #881 on: November 17, 2007, 08:51:49 PM »
providing basic healthcare also would make sense for that.  it boosts your economy because won't die/get so sick and it's hardly the type of thing you can get a free ride out of.


 :lol That has nothing to do woth the economy.

You know what would really boost the economy? Cutting spending and getting out of debt.

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« Reply #882 on: November 17, 2007, 09:24:57 PM »
it's a fucking shame you people validate Paul's fringe campaign and FoC's racist sensibilities by continuing to pay attention to this shit. 21 pages? let the garbage take itself out
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« Reply #883 on: November 17, 2007, 09:26:17 PM »
it's a fucking shame you people validate Paul's fringe campaign and FoC's racist sensibilities by continuing to pay attention to this shit. 21 pages? let the garbage take itself out



:santocry

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« Reply #884 on: November 17, 2007, 09:27:20 PM »
Hey PD we are talking about an fringe Internet forum here. I don't think any candidate gets validated on a gaming forum.  :lol

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« Reply #885 on: November 17, 2007, 10:01:41 PM »
as amazing as it may be, we HAVE gone a long way since the time of sawing off feet when you broke a nail.

since we are able to cure people's illnesses to the point where they are able to completely contribute to society (more than they take in "government handouts") it makes sense to do that rather than to rely on privatized insurance and wait for sick poor people to rely on that until they can't make the payments (either through a private plan or through their employer) and then have to fall back on government paid healthcare.

do you think that everybody that can't get healthcare are homeless?

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« Reply #886 on: November 17, 2007, 10:23:16 PM »
as amazing as it may be, we HAVE gone a long way since the time of sawing off feet when you broke a nail.

since we are able to cure people's illnesses to the point where they are able to completely contribute to society (more than they take in "government handouts") it makes sense to do that rather than to rely on privatized insurance and wait for sick poor people to rely on that until they can't make the payments (either through a private plan or through their employer) and then have to fall back on government paid healthcare.

do you think that everybody that can't get healthcare are homeless?
i dont want to hear your Islamic ideals :maf
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« Reply #887 on: November 17, 2007, 10:33:16 PM »
as amazing as it may be, we HAVE gone a long way since the time of sawing off feet when you broke a nail.
And we did it all without government healtcare! Innovation flourishes in a free market.

since we are able to cure people's illnesses to the point where they are able to completely contribute to society (more than they take in "government handouts") it makes sense to do that rather than to rely on privatized insurance and wait for sick poor people to rely on that until they can't make the payments (either through a private plan or through their employer) and then have to fall back on government paid healthcare.

I realize that the healthcare is fucked up, but having the government subsidize costs isnt going to make it any cheaper. We are all still going to pay for it, it will just be through taxes. It's not like all fo the sudden all our healtchare will be free. Eacha nd everyone one of us will be forced to pay for it. I would rather have a choice with my money.

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« Reply #888 on: November 17, 2007, 10:34:59 PM »
Having a government run health industry is only going to increase the over all cost.

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« Reply #889 on: November 17, 2007, 11:30:14 PM »
Hey cheebs, ever been to a veterans hospital?

That is a government run healthplan. Is that what you want?  :lol

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« Reply #890 on: November 18, 2007, 12:05:27 AM »

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« Reply #891 on: November 18, 2007, 04:48:44 AM »
um, right now the government only helps those in DESPERATE need, the majority of the country that disagrees with you has the foresight (more hindsight actually) to see that.

I don't get how you feel a corporation that is designed to take more money than it gives you (insurance companies) is going to be more efficient.

What makes you think that the rest of the western world is wrong based on what you've seen in a hospital designed for people who got serious handicaps from service in the military and have trouble finding jobs?  what makes you think that is comparable?

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« Reply #892 on: November 18, 2007, 07:12:31 PM »
um, right now the government only helps those in DESPERATE need, the majority of the country that disagrees with you has the foresight (more hindsight actually) to see that.

I don't get how you feel a corporation that is designed to take more money than it gives you (insurance companies) is going to be more efficient.

What makes you think that the rest of the western world is wrong based on what you've seen in a hospital designed for people who got serious handicaps from service in the military and have trouble finding jobs?  what makes you think that is comparable?

The free market is ALWAYS more efficient. If a business wants to stay alive it has to be competitive in quality and in price. If you don't like the DMV what do you do? Nothing you don't have a choice. If you don't like your healthcare provider, doctor or hospital you can switch.

If we were to have government run healthcare it would only produce more wasteful spending through government contracts etc...

I would be more open to heathcare provided be each state separately instead of the federal government. It would still give us choices.

I'm not saying our system is perfect, it's far from it and something does need to change. But I dont think that having universal healthcare is going to be the answer.

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« Reply #893 on: November 18, 2007, 07:13:27 PM »
I don't get how you feel a corporation that is designed to take more money than it gives you (insurance companies) is going to be more efficient.

 :lol :lol THis is the dumbest thing you have ever written by the way.

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« Reply #894 on: November 18, 2007, 07:32:02 PM »
Here is a great interview with Paul.

http://www.firebirdnation.com/forums/index.php?automodule=blog&blogid=1&showentry=69

Talking about the war.


Do you now feel some sort of moral obligation to clean up the mess?

There is a moral consequence to what we've caused, but none of you have a moral responsibility. I don't think I should take your resources to go over there and rebuild Iraq. The moral consequence should be on those who committed the errors in our foreign policy, but that's about 24 people. It's 24 neoconservatives who took over our foreign policy. They should be responsible, and they don't have to pay for it. That's not practical, and that's not going to happen. As sympathetic as I am, I cannot further tax the American people to rebuild Iraq. I would say the best thing to do is work out something where the wealth that they have, the oil, is used to do that. We, the American people, were taxed to build bombs to go over and break up their infrastructure—to bomb highways and bridges. And now we're being taxed to rebuild them. At the same time, we're running out of money and our bridges here are falling down. We have to quit. It's time to take care of our own bridges.

You are for an immediate pull out?

Yes. Immediate is not 24 hours. Immediate is as quickly as you can. It is talking to the military and figuring out how long it is going to take—not five years. You tell them that we are no longer going to have 14 permanent military bases and that we are going to turn the embassy, which is bigger than the Vatican, over to some charity or something. Just change the attitude about the way we assume that we own these countries. I think it's the change in attitude that we need to take care of. Maybe it will take three or four or five months to take care of it.

Smaller government

You're for a large scale back of federal agencies like FEMA. What would your alternative to aid be?

Local government and guard units should help out. These houses that have been burned down—95 percent of them are insured. And insurance should pay for it. People take a risk, and they should suffer the consequences. They should buy insurance. New Orleans is still not rebuilt. Central economic planning doesn't work. The whole thing is the opposite of resuming responsibility for ourselves and having local government handle it.

Healthcare
As a doctor, what do you see as the best solution to our health-care problem?

Get rid of managed care. Managed care created this corporatization that we have. The corporations make most of the money. The patients come up shortchanged. The doctors don't like it. Hospitals are going broke. We put mandates that hospitals have to take care of illegal aliens, and hospitals are closing. Managed care came with the Arista laws and the tax laws of the 1970s, and we've created a middle man, a third-party payment system, and that's why in Washington, a $30 billion-industry is lobbied by drug companies and HMOs, all the management companies, and they invest a lot of money.

Actually, the AMA has joined in the lobbying. They lobby for managed care, they don't lobby for patient rights. But you have to change the tax code and let people get out of the system and let people get all their money back from medical care from tax credits and move in that transition. If we don't change it now, we're going to wind up with socialized medicine, and we can look to the other countries to get a doctor. It's a real mess. We put so many prohibitions in choices in medicine. If you want alternative medicine, health insurance won't pay for it.

Or if you want nutritional products from a free market, the drug companies take over and have a monopoly on it. You can't get your nutritional products, and I think the other thing is that there is too much monopolization on medical care through licensing. Organized medicine has created monopolies and the prices go up. The other reason for high prices is because of legal procedures. We as physicians have to practice very defensive medicine, and that's an issue that has been addressed in some states out of necessity. It has become expensive because you order way more tests than you actually need because you're worried on Monday morning that the attorney is going to come to your door to take you to court.



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« Reply #895 on: November 18, 2007, 07:49:15 PM »
how the hell do you overcharge for healthcare?  do you think if the government pays for it than hospitals will give patients extra procedures so they can charge the government more?  that's kind of the type of thing the average person can notice and oppose.

in that interview, ron paul says that doctors order more tests than they need because they're scared of the law.  what the fuck?

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« Reply #896 on: November 18, 2007, 08:20:08 PM »
how the hell do you overcharge for healthcare? 
Somehow the evil inssurance companies are able to do it.  :o


do you think if the government pays for it than hospitals will give patients extra procedures so they can charge the government more?  that's kind of the type of thing the average person can notice and oppose.
No, lobby groups will fight over an ever increasing healthcare budget that will ultimatly create an entire industry subsidezed by government spending. You think the situation with stem cell research is bad now. Wait till politicians really have a say in it.

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« Reply #897 on: November 18, 2007, 09:28:55 PM »
I like how he managed to get in a dig on illegal immigrants on that health care question, like that's even 1/10th of a percent of what's wrong with health care.
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« Reply #898 on: November 18, 2007, 11:19:09 PM »
healthcare costs could go down a lot of if you subsidize the cost of medical school (euro schools let you graduate with no debt) so that new doctors don't need get an insane salary to pay off $100,000+ student loans.  the problem with stem cell research in this country isn't that people don't love the constitution enough, it's that they're religious.
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No, lobby groups will fight over an ever increasing healthcare budget that will ultimatly create an entire industry subsidezed by government spending.
what are you basing this on?  your article just said bullshit about doctors ordering more tests than they need.

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« Reply #899 on: November 19, 2007, 12:45:02 AM »
I like how he managed to get in a dig on illegal immigrants on that health care question, like that's even 1/10th of a percent of what's wrong with health care.

I like how the solution isn't to get them insured, so that they can get preventative care and avoid costly ER trips, but to deny them care when they get to the ER.

If an uninsured Mexican walks in coughing blood, send them on their way!  That's how to bring down costs!  I'm amazed more people aren't jumping on this bandwagon.