Author Topic: Evilbore's Academy Award for Best Picture and Academy Awards Discussion Thread (Read 16174 times)

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #120 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:02:27 AM »

Didn't many Coen brothers fans on here say it's a second-tier Coen brothers film? Are they still going to say it deserved this? Well, like what TVC just said. But he hasn't seen No Country, I forgot.

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #121 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:03:31 AM »

I thought No Country was a top-tier Coen Bros, up there with Miller's Crossing and O Brother. FARGO is probably one of my least favorites of theirs...maybe even THE least favorite.

Ichirou · « **Reply #122 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:03:47 AM »

Quote from: Bloodwake on February 25, 2008, 01:00:45 AM

HAHAA FUCK YOU JUNO DIDNT WIN

Seriously Ichi I'm tired of this let's let this movie win so we can bash Trahan/Yenor shit.

Had little to do with bashing Mowles or Gay Boy, and more to do with the fact that the Academy is famous for screwing up...I mean - Crash, Return of the King, Forrest Gump, How Green Was My Valley.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #123 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:04:46 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 25, 2008, 01:01:42 AM

I personally don't think Fargo is in the upper echelon of Coen films.

It's scary how I can agree with you on so many subjects. I really hope there's no homo in me.

Ichirou · « **Reply #124 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:06:25 AM »

The Man Who Wasn't There is one of my personal favorite Coen movies. I'm also unreasonably fond of The Hudsucker Proxy.

Also, this is just more proof Smooth Groove will be sucking wang within the year. he's in med school so he'll probably start by practicing on cadaver cock.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #125 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:06:52 AM »

There Will Be Blood and No Country are both looking like good blind buys in HD

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #126 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:07:21 AM »

Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on February 25, 2008, 01:03:31 AM

I thought No Country was a top-tier Coen Bros, up there with Miller's Crossing and O Brother. FARGO is probably one of my least favorites of theirs...maybe even THE least favorite.

Fair enough. I probably just remember incorrectly.

TVC15 · « **Reply #127 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:07:59 AM »

Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on February 25, 2008, 01:03:31 AM

I thought No Country was a top-tier Coen Bros, up there with Miller's Crossing and O Brother. FARGO is probably one of my least favorites of theirs...maybe even THE least favorite.

Not counting their recent missteps like The Ladykillers and Intolerable Cruelty, I'm assuming?

Fargo's a good movie and all, but it's kinda slow in a non-effective way. I get kinda bored watching it and I want to skip to the good parts.

T234 · « **Reply #128 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:09:27 AM »

Quote from: Eel_O_Brian on February 25, 2008, 01:06:52 AM

There Will Be Blood and No Country are both looking like good blind buys in HD

No Country has fucking amazing sound. If you have 5.1, don't pass it up.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #129 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:11:25 AM »

Quote from: Ichi on February 25, 2008, 01:06:25 AM

The Man Who Wasn't There is one of my personal favorite Coen movies. I'm also unreasonably fond of The Hudsucker Proxy.

Also, this is just more proof Smooth Groove will be sucking wang within the year. he's in med school so he'll probably start by practicing on cadaver cock.

True story. The 1st cadaver I saw was a black guy with an absolutely gigantic member. I don't know if it was the formaldehyde or what but the thing just looked unnatural. It was at least a foot long and as wide as my forearm. The balls were the size of my clenched fist.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #130 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:12:41 AM »

maybe all the blood rushed away from his brain and into his cock and that's what killed him

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #131 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:14:59 AM »

Are you done with Jesse James, TVC? Would you say it's this year's CoM?

As in:

Should've gotten more nominations, including a Best Picture nod.
Didn't win anything.
Should've won Best Cinematography

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #132 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:16:27 AM »

I feel bad for Zodiac though. Too bad it wasn't released a bit later in 2007. All its buzz died by the time No Country and TWBB started picking up steam

Ichirou · « **Reply #133 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:17:19 AM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 25, 2008, 01:11:25 AM

Quote from: Ichi on February 25, 2008, 01:06:25 AM
The Man Who Wasn't There is one of my personal favorite Coen movies. I'm also unreasonably fond of The Hudsucker Proxy.

Also, this is just more proof Smooth Groove will be sucking wang within the year. he's in med school so he'll probably start by practicing on cadaver cock.

True story. The 1st cadaver I saw was a black guy with an absolutely gigantic member. I don't know if it was the formaldehyde or what but the thing just looked unnatural. It was at least a foot long and as wide as my forearm. The balls were the size of my clenched fist.

So it was a normal black dude, in other words.

TVC15 · « **Reply #134 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:19:06 AM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on February 25, 2008, 01:14:59 AM

Are you done with Jesse James, TVC? Would you say it's this year's CoM?

As in:

Should've gotten more nominations, including a Best Picture nod.
Didn't win anything.
Should've won Best Cinematography

It's a really good movie, but it's a hard one to recommend without caveats, so I'm not surprised it was snubbed. It's very deliberately paced, aka the good kind of slow, and a lot of people don't like that. I'm also familiar with the subject matter, so there's that aspect--I might be finding it more interesting than someone going in blind.

So yeah, it's good. I really like it, but I wouldn't be surprised if many didn't. Awesome score, too.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #135 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:19:56 AM »

I'm sorry, but it shoulda gone to There Will Be Blood.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #136 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:20:36 AM »

Just from what little I've seen of No Country through clips and such, I think Affleck should've picked up the Oscar. Playing an icy sociopathic killer like Bardem did is every actor's ice cream dream, like scoring a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow or a cripple role - there's almost no way they can be accused of overacting, and audiences/academy members eat that shit up. Affleck gave a very nuanced performance, I couldn't ever tell he was "ACTING."

Yeah, Zodiac should have at least picked up some nods, definitely.

Ichirou · « **Reply #137 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:25:28 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 25, 2008, 01:19:06 AM

Quote from: CajoleJuice on February 25, 2008, 01:14:59 AM
Are you done with Jesse James, TVC? Would you say it's this year's CoM?

As in:

Should've gotten more nominations, including a Best Picture nod.
Didn't win anything.
Should've won Best Cinematography

It's a really good movie, but it's a hard one to recommend without caveats, so I'm not surprised it was snubbed. It's very deliberately paced, aka the good kind of slow, and a lot of people don't like that. I'm also familiar with the subject matter, so there's that aspect--I might be finding it more interesting than someone going in blind.

So yeah, it's good. I really like it, but I wouldn't be surprised if many didn't. Awesome score, too.

I was thinking, when it comes out on DVD, I want to do an "assassination of Jesse James" movie marathon. I bet there's dozens of Jesse James movies.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #138 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:30:28 AM »

yeah, but none of them are very historically accurate

jesse james was a piece of shit, really, and most films paint him as some sort of robin hoodish victim forced into a life of crime, which is utter bullshit

TVC15 · « **Reply #139 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:30:45 AM »

Quote from: Ichi on February 25, 2008, 01:25:28 AM

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 25, 2008, 01:19:06 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on February 25, 2008, 01:14:59 AM
Are you done with Jesse James, TVC? Would you say it's this year's CoM?

As in:

Should've gotten more nominations, including a Best Picture nod.
Didn't win anything.
Should've won Best Cinematography

It's a really good movie, but it's a hard one to recommend without caveats, so I'm not surprised it was snubbed. It's very deliberately paced, aka the good kind of slow, and a lot of people don't like that. I'm also familiar with the subject matter, so there's that aspect--I might be finding it more interesting than someone going in blind.

So yeah, it's good. I really like it, but I wouldn't be surprised if many didn't. Awesome score, too.

I was thinking, when it comes out on DVD, I want to do an "assassination of Jesse James" movie marathon. I bet there's dozens of Jesse James movies.

It is out. I have it on Blu Gay. It was kinda difficult to find, though.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #140 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:32:10 AM »

Quote from: Eel_O_Brian on February 25, 2008, 01:30:28 AM

yeah, but none of them are very historically accurate

jesse james was a piece of shit, really, and most films paint him as some sort of robin hoodish victim forced into a life of crime, which is utter bullshit

My parents said this is not the case with this film.

Ichirou · « **Reply #141 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:32:33 AM »

480p or bust

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #142 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:33:51 AM »

no, not at all, Jesse James is presented as a paranoid and almost weaselly figure

almost any movie made prior to Assassination presents the myth, though

TVC15 · « **Reply #143 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:34:15 AM »

Quote from: Eel_O_Brian on February 25, 2008, 01:30:28 AM

jesse james was a piece of shit, really, and most films paint him as some sort of robin hoodish victim forced into a life of crime, which is utter bullshit

Have you seen this yet?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

The retconning of Jesse James after his death is a sort of plot point

[close]

Ichirou · « **Reply #144 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:34:47 AM »

I liked Sam Fuller's I Shot Jesse James.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #145 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:36:53 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 25, 2008, 01:34:15 AM

Quote from: Eel_O_Brian on February 25, 2008, 01:30:28 AM
jesse james was a piece of shit, really, and most films paint him as some sort of robin hoodish victim forced into a life of crime, which is utter bullshit

Have you seen this yet?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The retconning of Jesse James after his death is a sort of plot point
[close]

So is this a Pre-Crisis Jesse James?

TVC15 · « **Reply #146 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:38:38 AM »

No, post--red kryptonite turns him into a horny asshole.

Ichirou · « **Reply #147 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:38:48 AM »

Silver Age Jesse James or Golden Age Jesse James? They're very different, so this is an important question!

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #148 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:39:11 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 25, 2008, 01:34:15 AM

Quote from: Eel_O_Brian on February 25, 2008, 01:30:28 AM
jesse james was a piece of shit, really, and most films paint him as some sort of robin hoodish victim forced into a life of crime, which is utter bullshit

Have you seen this yet?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The retconning of Jesse James after his death is a sort of plot point
[close]

perhaps I am not being clear

yes, I saw the movie

Ichi wants to have a Jesse James movie marathon

I am pointing out that, prior to Assassination, most (if not all) films about Jesse James have presented him in the light of the "Robin Hood" myth/legend, and are going to be very different films than Assassination. Assassination is probably the closest you're ever going to get to the truth of the matter.

Ichirou · « **Reply #149 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:40:34 AM »

Yah, I know. That's kinda why I want to see how the portrayals change and evolve through time. Or in the case of Colin Farrell as Jesse James, DE-evolve, hahahah.

TVC15 · « **Reply #150 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:41:57 AM »

Quote from: Eel_O_Brian on February 25, 2008, 01:39:11 AM

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 25, 2008, 01:34:15 AM
Quote from: Eel_O_Brian on February 25, 2008, 01:30:28 AM
jesse james was a piece of shit, really, and most films paint him as some sort of robin hoodish victim forced into a life of crime, which is utter bullshit

Have you seen this yet?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The retconning of Jesse James after his death is a sort of plot point
[close]

perhaps I am not being clear

yes, I saw the movie

I realized that after I made that post. Sorry

How did you like it?

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #151 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:44:06 AM »

I loved it. I can see watching it several times. Excellent blind buy. I was really impressed with Sam Rockwell - the scene at the end where he "becomes" Jesse onstage is downright eerie.

The Long Riders is a pretty good flick if you haven't seen it, Ichi.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #152 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:48:36 AM »

Even Assassination alters some facts to allow for storytelling compression, though

Ichirou · « **Reply #153 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:50:46 AM »

Quote from: Eel_O_Brian on February 25, 2008, 01:44:06 AM

I loved it. I can see watching it several times. Excellent blind buy. I was really impressed with Sam Rockwell - the scene at the end where he "becomes" Jesse onstage is downright eerie.

The Long Riders is a pretty good flick if you haven't seen it, Ichi.

Is that the one with Stacy Keach as one of the James Bros.? If so, I've seen it, and liked it. Also seen American Outlaws (which would not be part of said marathon...I saw it for Timothy Dalton!!!), and I Shot Jesse James.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #154 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:54:36 AM »

Check this out if you get the chance:

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=30866

It's a History Channel special on the James legend. It has some awful acting during the "reenactment" parts, but there's a lot of interesting historical trivia in there (like the guy who found $32,000 worth of gold Jesse buried).

TVC15 · « **Reply #155 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:57:40 AM »

Quote from: Eel_O_Brian on February 25, 2008, 01:54:36 AM

like the guy who found $32,000 worth of gold Jesse buried

and he was named. . .RON PAUL.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #156 on:** February 25, 2008, 02:00:40 AM »

whenever i read ron paul i think of pat paulsen, who was this 60s/70s comedian whose schtick was running for president

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Paulsen

Mandark · « **Reply #157 on:** February 25, 2008, 02:09:33 AM »

So I went out and saw Miller's Crossing the other night. Why didn't any of you tell me about this? It's so good.

Now I've gotta dig up my old copy of The Glass Key and read it for comparison's sake.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #158 on:** February 25, 2008, 03:27:55 AM »

Quote from: Eel_O_Brian on February 25, 2008, 01:20:36 AM

Just from what little I've seen of No Country through clips and such, I think Affleck should've picked up the Oscar. Playing an icy sociopathic killer like Bardem did is every actor's ice cream dream, like scoring a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow or a cripple role - there's almost no way they can be accused of overacting, and audiences/academy members eat that shit up. Affleck gave a very nuanced performance, I couldn't ever tell he was "ACTING."

Yeah, Zodiac should have at least picked up some nods, definitely.

It's like you're reading my mind here. I was rooting for Affleck too. Bardem's character is very memorable, like Lecter in Silence of the Lambs. But it was essentially a one-note performance, just exceptionally well done. I wouldn't have any confidence (based on only seeing NCFOM) that Bardem could handle a deeper role. I'm pretty confident that Affleck is the real deal though. Thanks to the magic of DVD screeners, i'm hopefully seeing TWWB tonight, but so far I give the nod to Jesse James for cinematography, score (Nick Cave

), supporting actor and possibly director over NCFOM*. The same cinematographer did both movies actually, so I'm wondering if the director had more of an influence in making Jesse James look so great. Hard to tell from this side of the camera, really....

*This is by no means a knock on NCFOM, which i heartily enjoyed.

Ichirou · « **Reply #159 on:** February 25, 2008, 03:40:39 AM »

Javier Bardem IS a great actor with plenty of range, though. The thing is, it's just a juicy role (much like Daniel Day-Lewis's), and the Academy looooves to reward people for this type of thing.

But who cares about awards, really? Other than serving as some sort of validation for your personal tastes, they are meaningless - especially stuff like the Oscars. Fun to discuss, but they will not affect how a picture is seen twenty, thirty, or even fifty years from now.

TVC15 · « **Reply #160 on:** February 25, 2008, 03:49:33 AM »

I wonder when Nick Cave is going to write another movie. The Proposition was pretty well-received, right? Maybe he is getting more interested in movies in his old age. It's pretty awesome that he fronts the best best band in the world and the movies is like his side gig. <3 Nick.

Casey is awesome in the Assassination of Jesse James. Going in, I kinda had a bias about actors with the last name Affleck, but he's pretty awesome. I believe this is my first exposure to him.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #161 on:** February 25, 2008, 03:58:02 AM »

He's really good in Gone Baby Gone as well.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #162 on:** February 25, 2008, 03:59:19 AM »

Was The Proposition a theatrical release over here? It's a shame that so few people know about it. The soundtrack was pretty awesome.

TVC15 · « **Reply #163 on:** February 25, 2008, 04:00:18 AM »

Actually, he's in the Ocean's movies, too, right? It's hard to keep straight who's in those because they are basically Walmart-style garbage bags filled with cheetos except instead of cheetos it's celebrities.

Ichirou · « **Reply #164 on:** February 25, 2008, 04:00:25 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 25, 2008, 03:49:33 AM

I wonder when Nick Cave is going to write another movie. The Proposition was pretty well-received, right? Maybe he is getting more interested in movies in his old age. It's pretty awesome that he fronts the best best band in the world and the movies is like his side gig. <3 Nick.

Casey is awesome in the Assassination of Jesse James. Going in, I kinda had a bias about actors with the last name Affleck, but he's pretty awesome. I believe this is my first exposure to him.

He was in Good Will Hunting and the Ocean's movies as well. He always played borderline distinguished mentally-challenged fellows, that was like his specialty.

Bloodwake · « **Reply #165 on:** February 25, 2008, 04:09:02 AM »

Well, I can't be disappointed by this year's Oscars. Nothing really didn't win that didn't deserve SOMETHING.

Except for Jesse James. I really, really want to see that now.

And of course, I want to see The Counterfeiters, to satisfy my international film love.

Ichirou · « **Reply #166 on:** February 25, 2008, 04:10:49 AM »

2007 was the best year for movies in a long while.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #167 on:** February 25, 2008, 05:06:27 AM »

Yeah, I think I am going to buy The Assassination of Brad Pitt by the Coward Casey Affleck on BLU-GAY sometime this week. I came close to making a blind buy at Best Buy a week ago, but I just don't like doing that with my personal film collection. I'm a sucker for westerns and the hype from folks I trust is too high, though.

I didn't get to see the DEATH MONTAGE. Who got the most applause/tears - Bergman or Ledger?

TVC15 · « **Reply #168 on:** February 25, 2008, 05:31:52 AM »

Do you really have to ask?

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #169 on:** February 25, 2008, 05:37:10 AM »

Yes, I do.

I want to know who got more mad death props. Ingmar or WHY SO SERIOS?

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #170 on:** February 25, 2008, 08:54:24 AM »

Did they show Bergman playing chess with death by any chance?

Eric P · « **Reply #171 on:** February 25, 2008, 09:01:28 AM »

Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 25, 2008, 01:11:25 AM

True story. The 1st cadaver I saw was a black guy with an absolutely gigantic member. I don't know if it was the formaldehyde or what but the thing just looked unnatural. It was at least a foot long and as wide as my forearm. The balls were the size of my clenched fist.

and that's what inspired you to go into medical school?

anyway, yay no country, boo juno.

really happy with tilda's win. i've loved her since orlando

DJ_Tet · « **Reply #172 on:** February 25, 2008, 09:51:38 AM »

Quote from: Willco on February 24, 2008, 09:26:19 PM

The pacing is perfect? Mupepe is insane. It's good, but way overrated. I haven't seen There Will Be Blood, but I really have no interest. Don't like Paul Thomas Anderson and the folks I trust all say it's just a Daniel-Day Lewis vehicle. Pass.

That's so unfair to Paul Dano I can't even tell you.

This movie, while flawed, was robbed. Dano didn't even get nominated and without his performance the movie might have fallen apart. Glad to see it got a Cinematography nod though, it was a beautifully shot and framed film.

As a movie guy, you owe it to yourself to watch it. It has a lot more going for it than most mainstream flicks.

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #173 on:** February 25, 2008, 12:00:02 PM »

I'm with Willco; I've never seen a P.T. Anderson movie I've liked. There Will Be Blood looks like it might be the first, but boy am I wary.

Eric P · « **Reply #174 on:** February 25, 2008, 12:05:40 PM »

Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on February 25, 2008, 12:00:02 PM

I'm with Willco; I've never seen a P.T. Anderson movie I've liked. There Will Be Blood looks like it might be the first, but boy am I wary.

that was my sentiment as well

i enjoyed bits of it individually but it didn't cohere as a whole.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #175 on:** February 25, 2008, 12:58:51 PM »

My grandpa loved it and said it was the best movie he's seen in a long time. Granted, he only recently started watching movies again, but it's tough to impress an 80-year-old Army veteran. I hadn't seen him gush over something like that in a while. It was cool to talk to him about a great film.

TVC15 · « **Reply #176 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:27:09 PM »

I can't believe there are people that don't like Boogie Nights. It is legitimately fuck awesome. It's PTA before he went over-the-edge indulgent.

HyperZoneWasAwesome · « **Reply #177 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:50:27 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 25, 2008, 01:27:09 PM

I can't believe there are people that don't like Boogie Nights. It is legitimately fuck awesome. It's PTA before he went over-the-edge indulgent.

The Alfred Molina drug deal alone has enough awesome for five movies.

While I agree he can be a little iffy in some of the choices he makes, every PTAnderson film generally has great performances, fantastic music, and a good sense of humor. I've yet to see anything from him that wasn't at the very least entertaining.

Eric P · « **Reply #178 on:** February 25, 2008, 01:54:32 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on February 25, 2008, 01:27:09 PM

I can't believe there are people that don't like Boogie Nights. It is legitimately fuck awesome. It's PTA before he went over-the-edge indulgent.

i couldn't finish it. it just didn't appeal to me.
magnolia either.

TVC15 · « **Reply #179 on:** February 25, 2008, 02:39:01 PM »

Magnolia has great performances and some great bits, but it's so ridiculous and indulgent that I can totally get people not liking it. I'm not even a fan of it, really. Punchdrunk Love is just a strange duck. I'm a sucker for dysfunctional humor, and I think PDL is an interesting example. It's no Todd Solondz or anything, but I dug it.

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Author Topic: Evilbore's Academy Award for Best Picture and Academy Awards Discussion Thread (Read 16174 times)