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Re: Gamershell: MGS4 has 4.6 GB required install
« Reply #180 on: May 19, 2008, 04:21:53 PM »
MGO was miserable to look at, and even more miserable to play. Still, the actual footage I've seen of MGS4 looks to be leagues ahead of MGO in terms of visual oomph, but it doesn't look like it's much fun to play. I tend to agree though, Japanese developers are generally being schooled by their western counterparts right now.

You thought MGO was ugly?  I dunno, I really thought it looked pretty good overall.  Textures that seemed awful in screenshots actually looked pretty clean in person.  There was something about the visuals that I quite liked.  It was a very solid looking title, just not among the most technically accomplished.  From what I can tell, MGS4 itself looks quite a bit better (more detailed), so it should be pretty nice in the end.

I didn't much care for the game itself, however.  I didn't enjoy the MP in MGS3 and I felt about the same here.  That's not really of great concern, however, as I typically avoid multiplayer these days anyways.  Even in popular games like CoD4 I've barely touched the MP.  I simply don't care.

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Re: Gamershell: MGS4 has 4.6 GB required install
« Reply #181 on: May 19, 2008, 04:49:05 PM »
I suppose it was clean, I just found the presentation brutally unappealing. And I like "clean", but this felt sterile and dusty. Which really goes hand in hand with the miserable gameplay experience. I'm not going to question that someone could find the game entertaining, but I really don't get it. Closet necrophiliacs, that's my bet.

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« Reply #182 on: May 19, 2008, 07:14:35 PM »
Why are people giving shog a ton of recognition (I love you shog, but) when I posted a comparison of Halo 3 and MGS4 earlier? The character models are almost the same level of quality.

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« Reply #183 on: May 19, 2008, 07:27:29 PM »
Awesome thread.

It's nice to see that my master plan to turn EB into Team Xbox JR has mostly been successful.


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« Reply #184 on: May 19, 2008, 08:22:32 PM »
MGO = A UT99 Mod called Land of Yellow Boxes

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« Reply #185 on: May 19, 2008, 08:48:47 PM »
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Why do you continue to insist that the game uses any sort of pre-recorded video?


because its the only way i can believe this game needed the full 50gig. ;)

(i have no idea, i have got it into my head it's using video - and yeah, it's probably not true)


The space is probably because of uncompressed audio.  While I don't doubt there will be videos on the disc, I don't think it will be any of the main cutscenes or anything like that.

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« Reply #186 on: May 19, 2008, 09:15:13 PM »
We haven't hit rock bottom yet!

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« Reply #187 on: May 19, 2008, 09:25:24 PM »
so i'd assume if uncompressed audio is the main burn , and if there are no vids, then a port of this game would be straightforward right?

Right.  MGS4 could easily be ported to the PC and turn out to be the best version.

Although it is all speculation.  I'm sure that as we get closer to the MGS4 release more information about what is on the disc will surface.  If I wanted to make a crazy guess right now, I would say that MGS4 includes two texture sets.  One is very high res that causes the game to be around 30 fps while there are less impressive textures, but the game will be able to run at 60 fps.

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« Reply #188 on: May 20, 2008, 12:06:00 AM »
so i'd assume if uncompressed audio is the main burn , and if there are no vids, then a port of this game would be straightforward right?



It's got uncompressed audio tracks to fill the BR disc. 360 version (yawn) could easily be filled into 7GB by using XMA audio instead of uncompressed BS that 99.99% of people couldn't care less about or have the set up to discern the difference.

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« Reply #189 on: May 20, 2008, 12:22:30 AM »
so i'd assume if uncompressed audio is the main burn , and if there are no vids, then a port of this game would be straightforward right?



It's got uncompressed audio tracks to fill the BR disc. 360 version (yawn) could easily be filled into 7GB by using XMA audio instead of uncompressed BS that 99.99% of people couldn't care less about or have the set up to discern the difference.

Through HDMI audio, you'd be wrong, but since most people use the composite audio, you're right.

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« Reply #190 on: May 20, 2008, 12:28:24 AM »
so i'd assume if uncompressed audio is the main burn , and if there are no vids, then a port of this game would be straightforward right?



It's got uncompressed audio tracks to fill the BR disc. 360 version (yawn) could easily be filled into 7GB by using XMA audio instead of uncompressed BS that 99.99% of people couldn't care less about or have the set up to discern the difference.

Through HDMI audio, you'd be wrong, but since most people use the composite audio, you're right.

I'll bet HDMI to LCD TV's buily in speakers is majority's gaming set up. HDMI by itself don't guarantee shit for the end user's set up.


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« Reply #191 on: May 20, 2008, 12:34:23 AM »
so i'd assume if uncompressed audio is the main burn , and if there are no vids, then a port of this game would be straightforward right?



It's got uncompressed audio tracks to fill the BR disc. 360 version (yawn) could easily be filled into 7GB by using XMA audio instead of uncompressed BS that 99.99% of people couldn't care less about or have the set up to discern the difference.

Through HDMI audio, you'd be wrong, but since most people use the composite audio, you're right.

I'll bet HDMI to LCD TV's buily in speakers is majority's gaming set up. HDMI by itself don't guarantee shit for the end user's set up.



That's not how HDMI audio works though. Through shitty two-channel TV audio, it's gonna sound like shit anyways. I'm agreeing with you.

If people had half a brain and knew how to set up a sound system, people could hear the difference between compressed and uncompressed audio easy as breathing, but since most people in the world, especially ones that would happily buy the royal cluster fuck MGS4 is sure to be, are complete idiots, they're not gonna know the difference anyways.

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« Reply #192 on: May 20, 2008, 12:39:25 AM »
so i'd assume if uncompressed audio is the main burn , and if there are no vids, then a port of this game would be straightforward right?



It's got uncompressed audio tracks to fill the BR disc. 360 version (yawn) could easily be filled into 7GB by using XMA audio instead of uncompressed BS that 99.99% of people couldn't care less about or have the set up to discern the difference.

Through HDMI audio, you'd be wrong, but since most people use the composite audio, you're right.

I'll bet HDMI to LCD TV's buily in speakers is majority's gaming set up. HDMI by itself don't guarantee shit for the end user's set up.



That's not how HDMI audio works though. Through shitty two-channel TV audio, it's gonna sound like shit anyways. I'm agreeing with you.

If people had half a brain and knew how to set up a sound system, people could hear the difference between compressed and uncompressed audio easy as breathing, but since most people in the world, especially ones that would happily buy the royal cluster fuck MGS4 is sure to be, are complete idiots, they're not gonna know the difference anyways.

I know you are agreeing with me. I'm just saying that HDMI by itself ain't the whole picture.

Anyways, I doubt Kojima is doing this uncompressed audio BS for the fans. It's some kind of personal audio gear fetish he is fullfilling. Good for him I guess.

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Re: Gamershell: MGS4 has 4.6 GB required install
« Reply #193 on: May 20, 2008, 03:28:50 AM »
so i'd assume if uncompressed audio is the main burn , and if there are no vids, then a port of this game would be straightforward right?

Right.  MGS4 could easily be ported to the PC and turn out to be the best version.

Although it is all speculation.  I'm sure that as we get closer to the MGS4 release more information about what is on the disc will surface.  If I wanted to make a crazy guess right now, I would say that MGS4 includes two texture sets.  One is very high res that causes the game to be around 30 fps while there are less impressive textures, but the game will be able to run at 60 fps.
Maybe for the PC version but if you have can't have a console game where the textures lose definition when there's a lot going on...well not without the gamer noticing.

I'm guessing that the extras could be like Resistence where they rewrote textures onto the disk to help with streaming.  There's probably also uncompressed audio but it's only in one language.  Most likely this game won't have any load times and have semi-open-ended levels so at least there's that.

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« Reply #194 on: May 20, 2008, 03:36:33 AM »
Maybe for the PC version but if you have can't have a console game where the textures lose definition when there's a lot going on...well not without the gamer noticing.

I meant as an option where you can choose between the two, kind of similar to what Bioshock does where you can have v sync on or off for a frame rate boost.  That would actually be pretty cool if when there is a lot of action, the textures managed to bump down in quality automatically to keep the speed up.

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« Reply #195 on: May 20, 2008, 09:08:39 AM »
so i'd assume if uncompressed audio is the main burn , and if there are no vids, then a port of this game would be straightforward right?

I see no reason why this couldn't be ported, but the question is, why does it matter?

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« Reply #197 on: May 21, 2008, 04:39:16 PM »
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Re: Gamershell: MGS4 has 4.6 GB required install
« Reply #198 on: May 21, 2008, 04:57:45 PM »
Last-gen quality, right?

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« Reply #199 on: May 21, 2008, 05:58:00 PM »
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« Reply #200 on: May 21, 2008, 06:02:05 PM »
There are some yucky looking textures, but I still think that overall, it looks fantastic.
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« Reply #201 on: May 21, 2008, 06:12:50 PM »
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« Reply #202 on: May 21, 2008, 06:20:29 PM »
Game will look fine if it has the image quality of the screenshots above but we all know it won't. 

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« Reply #203 on: May 21, 2008, 06:24:24 PM »
these are such obvious bullshots with godly levels of cleanliness and anti-aliasing, why do people even get rolled by that stuff anymore

Christ, even a mundane consumer's PC with a Quad core, 4 gigs of RAM and the top of the line NVidia card couldn't run the game that well
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« Reply #204 on: May 21, 2008, 06:25:15 PM »
Other than the perfect AA, I'm not seeing much difference between what's in these screens and what has been shown in-game. Maybe if some of you guys weren't so determined to focus on the worst looking parts of the worst looking screens, you'd notice that it's overall a pretty damned nice looking game.

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« Reply #205 on: May 21, 2008, 06:55:59 PM »
Other than the perfect AA, I'm not seeing much difference between what's in these screens and what has been shown in-game. Maybe if some of you guys weren't so determined to focus on the worst looking parts of the worst looking screens, you'd notice that it's overall a pretty damned nice looking game.

for once we agree. :-*

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« Reply #206 on: May 21, 2008, 07:49:08 PM »
That's supposed to be the best looking game this gen?

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« Reply #207 on: May 21, 2008, 07:59:12 PM »
I think you people expect too much from next-gen.
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« Reply #208 on: May 21, 2008, 08:42:01 PM »
I like how they continue to replace every instance of the word STEALTH with SNEAKING

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« Reply #209 on: May 21, 2008, 09:27:26 PM »
I hold my reservations about the image quality of those "screenshots". I think they are photochopped.

Although I haven't finished the game, I have played MGS4 on a 720p LCD and it looks nowhere near as nice as those pictures.

Just saying.

And I don't think anyone would've expected so much from "next-gen" consoles if Sony didn't come charging in and beating the "PLAY B3YOND, True HD, 1000x more powerful than your PC" drum in our faces. Only then did I expect to see such qualities delivered in next-gen gaming.

So far it's been one giant, massive, colossal disappointment.

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« Reply #210 on: May 21, 2008, 09:34:21 PM »
That's supposed to be the best looking game this gen?


I think you're confused. The quote is "Best game this gen"
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« Reply #211 on: May 21, 2008, 09:39:52 PM »
I hold my reservations about the image quality of those "screenshots". I think they are photochopped.

Although I haven't finished the game, I have played MGS4 on a 720p LCD and it looks nowhere near as nice as those pictures.

Just saying.

And I don't think anyone would've expected so much from "next-gen" consoles if Sony didn't come charging in and beating the "PLAY B3YOND, True HD, 1000x more powerful than your PC" drum in our faces. Only then did I expect to see such qualities delivered in next-gen gaming.

So far it's been one giant, massive, colossal disappointment.

Shocking revelations, here. So how was the game itself?
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« Reply #212 on: May 21, 2008, 10:05:51 PM »
Shocking revelations, here. So how was the game itself?

The game isn't half-bad, but then you're asking a guy who never finished MGS2 because he got stuck in one of the first levels and never bothered to go back. Plus, I'm a SC:CT fan.

Having said that, this game is definitely much better in terms of gameplay than my only other MGS benchmark, MGS2. (Oh, and I have the version for the original Xbox - what was it? Metal Gear Subservience or Someshite? I never played past the first hour or so.)

What I don't like about MGS4 (and is a common complaint I have with MGS in general) is that parts of the game are downright "gimmicky". I mean, there are parts where the attention to detail may be simply too much - to the point where it begins to interfere with real gameplay, because there are just so many non-interactive animations that need to be played out before you are back in the action again.

Don't get me wrong: the attention to detail is fantastic. At times you'll say, "wow, Kojima and Co. really put some thought into this". Then you realize that it's exactly this attention to detail that is cool to do once or twice, but even then you can only tell the same joke two or three times before the punchline no longer delivers.

At times it feels like for every major cut-scenes there are hundreds of mini cut-scenes, and half the time you are just waiting to jump back into the game again. If there were ever a game designed by a narcissist for his own pleasure, I'd say this is it.

I'll definitely buy it, though; this time I have a feeling I won't get stuck and won't be let down too much - I'm just waiting for the US version to be released (and available) where I live.

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« Reply #213 on: May 21, 2008, 10:28:33 PM »
Thanks! How are the controls?

(surely this is worth its own thread?)
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« Reply #214 on: May 21, 2008, 11:39:12 PM »
seriously, can you put all your impressions in a dedicated thread?  it's getting really close to release and this thread is terribly tainted

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« Reply #215 on: May 21, 2008, 11:41:54 PM »
Shocking revelations, here. So how was the game itself?

The game isn't half-bad, but then you're asking a guy who never finished MGS2 because he got stuck in one of the first levels and never bothered to go back. Plus, I'm a SC:CT fan.

Having said that, this game is definitely much better in terms of gameplay than my only other MGS benchmark, MGS2. (Oh, and I have the version for the original Xbox - what was it? Metal Gear Subservience or Someshite? I never played past the first hour or so.)

What I don't like about MGS4 (and is a common complaint I have with MGS in general) is that parts of the game are downright "gimmicky". I mean, there are parts where the attention to detail may be simply too much - to the point where it begins to interfere with real gameplay, because there are just so many non-interactive animations that need to be played out before you are back in the action again.

Don't get me wrong: the attention to detail is fantastic. At times you'll say, "wow, Kojima and Co. really put some thought into this". Then you realize that it's exactly this attention to detail that is cool to do once or twice, but even then you can only tell the same joke two or three times before the punchline no longer delivers.

At times it feels like for every major cut-scenes there are hundreds of mini cut-scenes, and half the time you are just waiting to jump back into the game again. If there were ever a game designed by a narcissist for his own pleasure, I'd say this is it.

I'll definitely buy it, though; this time I have a feeling I won't get stuck and won't be let down too much - I'm just waiting for the US version to be released (and available) where I live.

I don't get it.. which one of you is jeckle and the other hyde? You say its hard because of the level of is "gimmicky"...then you say the level of detail is fantastic... I just don't follow.
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« Reply #216 on: May 21, 2008, 11:45:54 PM »
He actually elaborates on that if you would um, read it all.

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« Reply #217 on: May 22, 2008, 12:13:01 AM »
Zero Hero, what I meant is there is an amazing amount of detail, more so than the majority of games you will encounter. But this isn't always a good thing in my book.

Take Uncharted, for instance, and the clothes getting wet bit: that's great attention to detail, especially when you take into account only the clothing submerged actually gets wet. More importantly, you don't have to dry his pants afterwards because otherwise his crotch would develop a severe rash, from where you'd have to seek the aloe vera tree and manufacture a balm to soothe the itch. Because that would be taking away from the core gameplay.

In MGS4, I feel there are a number of those situations where you are taken away from the action. That's what I meant. Attention to detail is great, but you have to remember, at the end of the day, when all is said and done, and yada-yada-yada, that we are playing a game.

Imagine if you had to make sure Snake had to take a dump, and have to wipe his ass clean afterwards, otherwise Snake would walk pulling out his undies every 10 steps or so, because his butt was itchy. You would have to make sure you actually wiped his ass clean every time. Yes, this would be amazing attention to detail. Yes, it would be realistic as hell. Surely, though, after a few times looking at the same canned animations and the same routine time and again, it would get old fast. It would also take you away from the meat of the game, which is sneak, stealth, or whatever word-du-jour they are using to describe the gameplay now.

That's what I meant. I'm not hating on the game - far from it. It also looks to be a great game overall, and I will still buy it. But you have to take the good with the bad, and since I'm not in love with this, or any game, I simply don't own a pair of rose-tinted glasses to see the MGS world by.

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« Reply #218 on: May 22, 2008, 12:15:41 AM »
Cormacaroni, I won't say much because there are complaints about "tainting the thread" and such (sorry, mupepe), but the controls are tight. This is coming from an aged and jaded PC gamer more comfortable with WASD and mouse controls. It took me some getting used to at first, but afterwards it was no more difficult than adjusting to SC:CT on the gamepad. (I have SC:CT on the PC, but at one point decided to play it with my Saitek P2600 because I know the game was built for consoles in mind and I had to see what the tradeoffs were.)

mupepe, don't look at the spoiler. You may be disappointed.

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What I don't like, and this is the same problem with SC:CT, is the animations don't blend nicely when you do sudden turns, go from walk to run to walk, or lunge in a certain direction. You know, mess with the controls a bit. You can see the breakup in continuity. While SC:CT suffered from the same issues, it is a much older game, and I'd have thought by now devs would have conquered animation blending. Close, but not quite.

There is also this very floaty dead zone where if you move Snake he doesn't really move his feet, yet he turns in a pivot. I guess I'm being overly anal about this, but you asked my honest opinion. I'm being hard on MGS4 but you can see that even being a SC:CT fan, I find many issues with that game as well. I just call them as I see them.  :)
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« Reply #219 on: May 22, 2008, 12:24:31 AM »
no no no no, i didn't mean that!  I meant this thread was tainted with fanboy nonsense and we need a new thread with your impressions! 

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« Reply #220 on: May 22, 2008, 10:34:56 AM »
Oh shit!! I have to remember not to post about games when I'm drunk. I always read things wrong which leads to misunderstandings. :-[ :-[ :-[

Sorry about that guys. :-[
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« Reply #221 on: May 22, 2008, 10:47:41 AM »
Oh shit!! I have to remember not to post about games when I'm drunk. I always read things wrong which leads to misunderstandings. :-[ :-[ :-[

Sorry about that guys. :-[
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« Reply #222 on: May 22, 2008, 12:23:28 PM »
A mediocre engine in skilled hands will look better than a great engine in less capable hands.

Someone with the gift of screen capturing can make a great difference. Not to mention the patience you need to utilize all the tricks you can accomplish when you have complete access to the engine. The tools may be cumbersome to use since they are not designed for end consumers, but spending some time setting up the scene, controlling the lighting and camera, and adding or removing pieces can make a great difference in the final output.

You can do all this with screenshots, because unlike video, you only need to render one frame.

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« Reply #224 on: May 23, 2008, 01:37:05 AM »
Haha, 4GB Haze install.

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« Reply #225 on: May 23, 2008, 01:38:39 AM »
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« Reply #226 on: May 23, 2008, 08:24:04 AM »
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As Metal Gear Solid 4's release date draws near, more and more info about the game's expected to spill out. Some of it from people who have played through the thing already. People who sat through a lotta cutscenes. Some of them up to 90-minutes long. Nintety. Minutes. Sure, you can pause them, and skip them, but ninety minutes? Bring popcorn.
http://kotaku.com/392923/mgs4-has-90+minute-cutscenes

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We know the Metal Gear Solid series is famous for its long cut-scenes, but this tops everything! Metal Gear Solid 4, the latest instalment in Hideo Kojima's seminal stealth series, has cut-scenes (note the plural) that approach the 90 minutes mark.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=189543

wtf  :dizzy
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« Reply #227 on: May 23, 2008, 08:30:38 AM »
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As Metal Gear Solid 4's release date draws near, more and more info about the game's expected to spill out. Some of it from people who have played through the thing already. People who sat through a lotta cutscenes. Some of them up to 90-minutes long. Nintety. Minutes. Sure, you can pause them, and skip them, but ninety minutes? Bring popcorn.
http://kotaku.com/392923/mgs4-has-90+minute-cutscenes

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We know the Metal Gear Solid series is famous for its long cut-scenes, but this tops everything! Metal Gear Solid 4, the latest instalment in Hideo Kojima's seminal stealth series, has cut-scenes (note the plural) that approach the 90 minutes mark.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=189543

wtf  :dizzy

only possible with the power of blu ray.

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« Reply #228 on: May 23, 2008, 08:51:39 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284523

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dcharlie: okay, it's on the BBFC site with a list of cut scene lengths.

Looks closer to 54 m than 545m - possible typo or error ?

or possibly not fully inclusive?

I dread to think how long it would take to translate NINE HOURS of cutscenes, so i have to eer on the side of it -not- having 9 hours of cutscenes.

Makes sense. 9 hours is insane.

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Re: Gamershell: MGS4 has 4.6 GB required install
« Reply #229 on: May 23, 2008, 08:52:31 AM »
If there really are 90 minutes scenes (which I doubt), that wouldn't really bother me at all, but I know that would not sit well with a lot of people.  I thought MGS3 was a perfect balance of cutscenes and gameplay (for the most part).  I suppose there's simply more ground to cover thist ime around, however.

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Makes sense. 9 hours is insane.
That was an old topic.  The answer seems to be that those 9 hours consist of choice clips selected by Konami for this group to view and rate.
That same site listed MGS3 as around half of that, if I recall.
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Re: Gamershell: MGS4 has 4.6 GB required install
« Reply #230 on: May 23, 2008, 08:56:13 AM »
it was a joke darkx.

still 90 min cutscene? and not just one cutscene but many? i doubt this.

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Re: Gamershell: MGS4 has 4.6 GB required install
« Reply #231 on: May 23, 2008, 10:01:44 AM »
90 minute cut scene

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Re: Gamershell: MGS4 has 4.6 GB required install
« Reply #232 on: May 23, 2008, 10:06:04 AM »
I honestly wouldn't mind.  Is it bad that I enjoy playing MGS games with a movie like attitude?  Watch an awesome cutscene, do some awesome action to get to the next one.  I like it that way. 

And to be honest, I could see that crazy bastard doing a one or two 90 minute ones.  That'd be a hell of a way to end the game for me.  I don't think it's going to bother MGS fans, but it won't make any new fans if true.

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Re: Gamershell: MGS4 has 4.6 GB required install
« Reply #233 on: May 23, 2008, 10:10:58 AM »
Nobody would even bat an eye if there was a total of 90 minutes of cutscenes in MGS4. It's the norm in japanese games. But ONE 90 minute cutscene boggles the mind.

I hope that is a typo because sitting through a 1.5 hour long cutscene = WTF.
There's going to be more than 90 minutes of cutscenes, of that there is no doubt (I believe Halo 3 was noted as having almost an hour or something).  There are going to be a LOT of cutscenes.  I simply doubt that there will be multiple 90 minute scenes.  I wouldn't mind if the ending were 90 minutes, though.  :P

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Re: Gamershell: MGS4 has 4.6 GB required install
« Reply #234 on: May 23, 2008, 10:12:50 AM »
Bring on 90-minute cut-scenes. Konwing Kojima it'll be fucking epic. On subsequent playthroughs, I can just skip it if I don'y feel like watching it again. What really matters is that the gameplay sections in MGS4 look to be longer than previous games in the series too. It's just more of everything. If the total of cut-scenes in the game was 90 minutes, I would be disappointed, that's not enough.
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Re: Gamershell: MGS4 has 4.6 GB required install
« Reply #235 on: May 23, 2008, 10:15:51 AM »
Nobody would even bat an eye if there was a total of 90 minutes of cutscenes in MGS4. It's the norm in japanese games. But ONE 90 minute cutscene boggles the mind.

I hope that is a typo because sitting through a 1.5 hour long cutscene = WTF.
There's going to be more than 90 minutes of cutscenes, of that there is no doubt (I believe Halo 3 was noted as having almost an hour or something).  There are going to be a LOT of cutscenes.  I simply doubt that there will be multiple 90 minute scenes.  I wouldn't mind if the ending were 90 minutes, though.  :P
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Re: Gamershell: MGS4 has 4.6 GB required install
« Reply #236 on: May 23, 2008, 10:31:12 AM »
Nobody would even bat an eye if there was a total of 90 minutes of cutscenes in MGS4. It's the norm in japanese games. But ONE 90 minute cutscene boggles the mind.

I hope that is a typo because sitting through a 1.5 hour long cutscene = WTF.
There's going to be more than 90 minutes of cutscenes, of that there is no doubt (I believe Halo 3 was noted as having almost an hour or something). There are going to be a LOT of cutscenes.  I simply doubt that there will be multiple 90 minute scenes.  I wouldn't mind if the ending were 90 minutes, though.  :P

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Re: Gamershell: MGS4 has 4.6 GB required install
« Reply #237 on: May 23, 2008, 10:32:14 AM »
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Re: Gamershell: MGS4 has 4.6 GB required install
« Reply #238 on: May 23, 2008, 10:42:27 AM »
not if people don't know about it :o

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Re: Gamershell: MGS4 has 4.6 GB required install
« Reply #239 on: May 23, 2008, 10:49:38 AM »
As long as they save my game before the cutscene I'm fine with it.  I love the plot scenes in MGS and seeing what amounts to an anime in the middle/end of my game is just fine.  Just warn me in case I've got to be somewhere (and even better, give us chapters in the 90 min so we can skip around.)
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