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Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

The North American box art for Guns of the Patriots.
Developer(s)    Kojima Productions
Publisher(s)    Konami
Designer(s)    Hideo Kojima (producer, director, writer)
Shuyo Murata (director, writer)
Kenichiro Imaizumi (producer)
Yoji Shinkawa (director, character designer)
Series    Metal Gear
Platform(s)    PlayStation 3
Release date    June 12, 2008[1]
Genre(s)    Stealth Action
Mode(s)    Single player
Rating(s)    ESRB: M (Mature)[2]
BBFC: 15[3]
CERO: D
OFLC (AU): MA 15+[4]
OFLC (NZ): R16
Media    Blu-Ray-DL Disc
Input methods    DualShock 3 / Sixaxis

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (commonly abbreviated to MGS4) is an upcoming stealth action video game in the popular Metal Gear series. Directed by Hideo Kojima, Shuyo Murata and Yoji Shinkawa, Guns of the Patriots is currently being developed by Kojima Productions exclusively[5] for the PlayStation 3 video game console. The game is being designed around the motto, "No Place to Hide!" and will be the last Metal Gear game developed by Hideo Kojima, and the last game in the series starring Solid Snake.[6] The game will be released worldwide on June 12, 2008, 10 years after the release of Metal Gear Solid and 20 years after the first Metal Gear.[7][8].
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    * 1 Gameplay
    * 2 Plot
    * 3 Development
    * 4 Characters and voice cast
          o 4.1 The New FOXHOUND
          o 4.2 The Beauty and the Beast Corps
          o 4.3 Cast
    * 5 Soundtrack
    * 6 Marketing
    * 7 Versions and releases
          o 7.1 Limited Edition
          o 7.2 Release bundles
    * 8 Metal Gear Online
    * 9 Reception
    * 10 References
    * 11 External links

Gameplay
Old Snake aiming at mercenaries.
Old Snake aiming at mercenaries.

In Metal Gear Solid 4, the player Old Snake must navigate the game world in order to progress, using stealth and cunning in addition to traditional combat. It will use the series' traditional third person view with full camera manipulation, but also allows the freedom to play in first-person mode, as well as an over the shoulder view which can be switched from right shoulder to left for easy corner maneuvering. The Close Quarters Combat system will be completely revamped. The player will also be able to interrogate guards for information and supplies.

Several elements from previous titles return in modified forms. Players will also use a new form of camouflage called "Octocamo", which replaces the camouflage system featured in Metal Gear Solid 3. Dark blue when disabled, the Octocamo suit allows the wearer to blend in with any surface within a few seconds. A new monocular device called "Solid Eye" replaces the various binoculars and image intensifiers from previous titles, and a steel drum complements the series' traditional cardboard box disguise. It is able to deflect bullets, and can be rolled to knock enemy soldiers over, but can lead to Snake being sick should the player roll around too much.

According to Ryan Payton, the game will be filled with cut-scenes that explain what happened in previous MGS games and how that relates to the events of MGS4. Players will be able to choose whether to view these scenes by pressing the circle button on their controller when prompted. Although informative enough to excite the hardcore fans of the series, the cut scenes will be straight forward enough for casual players. Players will have the choice of watching the cut scenes from predetermined camera angles or exploring them with the Metal Gear Mk. II. [9]

Snake will also be partnered with a robotic drone, the Metal Gear Mk. II, which allows him to communicate with other characters, in addition to the CODEC radio system from previous games. It is also capable of engaging enemies using an electric shock, as well as providing reconnaissance.[10] This drone is reminiscent of Gillian Seed's robotic sidekick of the same name from another Hideo Kojima game Snatcher.

Due to the lack of a rumble feature (an important part in previous titles) from the PlayStation 3 during much of the development, the game had been designed with a new feature: a white "Threat Ring," that visibly vibrates when sound is made nearby.[11] As a series known for extensive use of rumble, when Sony announced the reintroduction of a new DualShock 3, MGS4 was announced as one of the first major games to make use of the force feedback capabilities.[12]

Snake's health will play some factor during gameplay. If injured on the battlefield, cuts and burns will remain on his skin. However, the developers wish to avoid putting the stress of Snake's health to the players, so he wears a muscle suit, allowing players to move in a similar fashion to previous games.[13]

Snake will have two new meters that replace the stamina bar from Snake Eater. The first meter, "Stress", is based on current fighting and climate conditions. This can cause Snake to go into a "combat high",[14] that increases his accuracy and reduces damage sustained. However this effect will eventually wear off and could cause Snake to momentarily collapse. Smoking a cigarette calms Snake down.[14] The second meter, "Psyche", slowly drops over time reducing Snake's accuracy. Scanning the pages of a glamor magazine will increase the meter.[14]

There is also a "Baseline Map" which is a radar map with a dynamic circle based on Snake's "presence" to the environment.[11] Accessible through the main menu, the Virtual Range is a test facility that allows the player to access the game's library of weapons as well as practice Snake's CQC moves.[14]

In the May 2008 issue of EDGE magazine, Kojima expressed dissatisfaction with the final game, citing the game's graphics and his inability to realize his early vision.[14] Kojima later clarified his remarks, stating that he was "very satisfied" with the final game and that his initial comments were sensationalized and mistranslated.[15]

Plot
PMC mercenaries deployed by Outer Haven.
PMC mercenaries deployed by Outer Haven.
Metal Gear series fictional chronology
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops
Metal Gear
Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake
Metal Gear Solid (The Twin Snakes)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

Set in 2014, five years after the "Big Shell Incident" (the events of the Plant chapter from Metal Gear Solid 2), Metal Gear Solid 4 portrays a world where the restriction of military intervention on foreign soil has been eased, fueling the need for private military companies (PMCs) to fight proxy wars for business purposes. Nanotechnology has become prominent, both to enhance the capabilities and enforce the loyalty of mercenaries. The nanos that are in the PMCs are called "Sons of the Patriots" or "SOP". The five largest of these PMCs (Which are named Praying Mantis, Otselotovaya Khvatka, Werewolf, Pieuvre Armement and Raven Sword) are owned by a single mother company named Outer Haven, which is operated by Liquid Ocelot. Amassing an army whose manpower rivals that of the United States, Liquid prepares to launch an armed insurrection by taking control of SOP. Liquid will have the power to control all of the PMCs. With the world once again in crisis, a rapidly aging and disillusioned Solid Snake is deployed into the Middle East by Roy Campbell to terminate Liquid. Guns of the Patriots will take place in five locations, Middle East, South America and Eastern Europe. It will also including Shadow Moses from Metal Gear Solid.[16]

Development

Hideo Kojima announced that he would be retiring as director of the Metal Gear series after Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, and would leave his position open to another person for Metal Gear Solid 4, as he had announced he would after Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty.[citation needed] As a joke, the new director was announced as "Alan Smithee", but in R, a 400-page book bundled with Metal Gear Solid 3's Japanese "Premium Package", the director was revealed to be Shuyo Murata, co-writer of MGS3 and director of Zone of the Enders: The 2nd Runner. He has also contributed humorous easter eggs to Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty and Metal Gear: Ghost Babel. However, it was announced that Kojima will be co-directing the game with Murata after substantial negative fan reaction, including death threats.[17]

The title has been described as "essentially finished" since January 2008, and is currently entering extensive beta testing.[18] As of April, a team of American and European journalists are the only individuals outside Konami to have played the game through its entirety, and have provided feedback to the development team.[19]

At Destination PlayStation on February 26, 2008, Sony announced that MGS4 would be released worldwide on June 12, 2008, along with the special MGS4 PlayStation 3 bundle.[20]

Guns of the Patriots is the first PS3 game that uses a full 50GB dual layer Blu-ray Disc through extensive efforts in data compression.[21]

In the May 2008 issue of EDGE magazine, Kojima has expressed disappointment in the final result of the game's graphics and his inability to realize his early vision. Kojima says, "But when we actually started developing the game, we realized there were a lot of restrictions and so it turned out how you see it today ... we wanted to create something revolutionary, but in reality we couldn't really do that because of the CPU. We're using the Cell engine to its limit, actually. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising the PS3 machine, it's just that we weren't really aware of what the full-spec PS3 offered."[14] However, Kojima has more recently stated that he is "very satisfied" with the final game and that he never said anything critical of the PS3 in the first place, citing mistranslation by Western media for the purpose of sensationalism for his previous 'remarks'.[22]

Characters and voice cast

Many of the Japanese voice cast from Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty will be returning to reprise their roles in Guns of the Patriots, with the notable exception of Kōji Totani, the voice of Revolver Ocelot, who died in February 2006.[23] Totani will be replaced by Liquid Snake's Japanese voice actor Banjō Ginga. Houko Kuwashima and Kikuko Inoue will reprise the roles of Mei Ling and Rosemary respectively for the game,[24][25][26] Inoue will also voice a new character, Sunny, the daughter of Olga Gurlukovich. Japanese film director Shinya Tsukamoto will provide the Japanese voice for Vamp, replacing original actor Ryotaro Okiayu. An elderly EVA (who appears under the identity of Big Mama), from Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, will also appear, and her voice will be provided by singer Mari Natsuki.[27][28]

English voice acting work is being recorded in tandem under voice-director Kris Zimmerman.[29] David Hayter returns as Solid Snake, with Quinton Flynn (Raiden), Paul Eiding (Roy Campbell), Christopher Randolph (Otacon), Debi Mae West (Meryl Silverburgh), Jennifer Hale (Naomi Hunter), and Phil LaMarr (Vamp) all reprising their roles from previous titles. The role of EVA will be voiced by actress Lee Meriwether.[30] Cam Clarke, who performed the voice of Liquid Snake in the first two Metal Gear Solid games, will not be a part of the Metal Gear Solid 4 cast. The role of Liquid Ocelot was given to Patric Zimmerman, the voice of Revolver Ocelot. Kris Zimmerman, denying allegations of nepotism, has clarified that Kojima always intended for the character to use Ocelot's voice.[31]The character of Rosemary, played by Lara Cody in MGS2, will be played by Jennifer Hale in MGS4.[32] Ryan Payton has stated that due to lack of space that there will be no option to switch audio to different languages.[33]

Other new characters include Drebin, a self-styled "arms launderer" (notably voiced in Japanese by Keiji Fujiwara, the Japanese voice of Sigint in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater) whose Stryker will act as the in-game store.[14]; "Little Gray", a small, shaven, shorts-wearing monkey who appears to follow Drebin; a new FOXHOUND team under the command of Meryl Silverburgh; and the Beauty and the Beast Unit.


The New FOXHOUND
Left to right: Ed, Meryl, Jonathan and Johnny "Akiba" Sasaki.
Left to right: Ed, Meryl, Jonathan and Johnny "Akiba" Sasaki.

The four members of FOXHOUND, also known as "Rat Patrol Team"[14], are sent to investigate PMC activity. The team includes Meryl Silverburgh; Ed, Meryl's second-in-command; Jonathan, a hulking soldier; and Johnny Sasaki, also known as "Akiba", the team's electronics expert. Meryl, Ed, and Jonathan use the SOP (Sons Of the Patriots)[34] system to share each other's senses via the nanomachine network inside their bodies. Meryl states that they are investigating PMC activity for the US Army CID. Ed and Jonathan are named after Ed Brown and Jonathan Ingram, the main characters of Hideo Kojima's Policenauts, from which Meryl also originally gained her name.

The Beauty and the Beast Corps
The Beauty and the Beast Corps.
The Beauty and the Beast Corps.

Four new bosses are also debuting in Guns of the Patriots: Crying Wolf, Raging Raven, Screaming Mantis, and Laughing Octopus, all members of The Beauty and the Beast Corps. Their animal names openly reference characters from Metal Gear Solid's FOXHOUND unit, and the emotions relating to the Cobra Unit from Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater. A close inspection of Screaming Mantis reveals two marionettes of previous MGS bosses: Psycho Mantis and The Sorrow, both of whom were psychics. All four of them are women who suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder. The only way they can cope with the damage done to their minds is to become war machines. Their inner appearance is referred to as "Beauty", while their outer appearance is referred to as "Beast". Four real-life models were chosen for their in-game appearances as their "Beauty" side: Lyndall Jarvis, Scarlett Chorvat, Mieko Rye, and Yumi Kikuchi. The English dubbing for the characters is done by having the female voice actors perform the lines while Fred Tatasciore overdubs on top of the female voices, creating a split-voice effect for the characters.[35]

Cast
Character    Japanese    English    Motion Capture Actor
Old Snake (Solid Snake) [32]    Akio Ōtsuka    David Hayter    Ryoji Okamoto[32]
Raiden    Kenyū Horiuchi    Quinton Flynn    Takeshi Yoshioka
Eiji Morisaki[32]
Hal "Otacon" Emmerich    Hideyuki Tanaka    Christopher Randolph    Shumei Kawashima[32]
Naomi Hunter    Hiromi Tsuru    Jennifer Hale[32]    Haruna Aimoto[32]
Colonel Roy Campbell    Takeshi Aono    Paul Eiding    Takashi Kubo[32]
Liquid Ocelot    Banjō Ginga    Patric Zimmerman[31]    Taro Kanazawa[32]
Meryl Silverburgh    Kyoko Terase    Debi Mae West[35]    Eriko Hirata[32]
Vamp    Shinya Tsukamoto    Phil LaMarr[31]    Naoki Saito[32]
Mei Ling    Houko Kuwashima    Kim Mai Guest[32]    Yumi Kikuchi[32]
Rosemary    Kikuko Inoue    Jennifer Hale [32]    Haruna Aimoto[32]
Big Mama (EVA)    Mari Natsuki    Lee Meriwether[32]    Mao Yuuki[32]
Screaming Mantis    Mao Yuuki    Andrea Zafra (Normal voice)[32]
Fred Tatasciore (Beast voice)[35]    Mao Yuuki[32]
Crying Wolf    Eriko Hirata    Debra Wilson Skelton (Normal voice)[32]
Fred Tatasciore (Beast voice)[35]    Eriko Hirata[32]
Laughing Octopus    Haruna Aimoto    Paula Tiso (Normal voice)[32]
Fred Tatasciore (Beast voice)[35]    Haruna Aimoto[32]
Raging Raven    Yumi Kikuchi    Nika Futterman (Normal voice)[32]
Fred Tatasciore (Beast voice)[35]    Yumi Kikuchi[32]
Drebin    Keiji Fujiwara    Khary Payton[36]    Takashi Kubo[32]
Sunny    Kikuko Inoue    Christina Puccelli[32]    Yasuyo Nabeshima[32]
Johnny (Akiba)    Jun Fukuyama    Beng Spies[32]    Kazuki Muramatsu
Jonathan    Hideyuki Tanaka    James Sie[32]    Motosada Mori[32]
Ed    Shōzō Iizuka    Dave Fennoy[32]    Shigeyuki Horita[32]
Soldiers    TBA    Richard Steven Horvitz[citation needed]
Roger Craig Smith [37]    TBA
Haven soldiers (FROGS)    TBA    Sarah Sido[citation needed]    TBA

Soundtrack

    Main article: Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (soundtrack)

The score to Metal Gear Solid 4 is being led by Harry Gregson-Williams, his third Metal Gear Solid soundtrack,[38] and Nobuko Toda, who provided music for Metal Gear Acid and Metal Gear Acid 2.[39] Directed by Norihiko Hibino, GEM Impact employees Yoshitaka Suzuki and Takahiro Izutani also made compositions late in the game's production.[40] Other contributors are Konami employees Shuichi Kobori, Kazuma Jinnouchi, Akihiro Honda, and Sota Fujimori.[41]

There are two vocal themes for the game. The opening theme, "Love Theme", is sung by Jackie Presti and composed by Nobuko Toda. The ending theme, "Here's To You", is sung by Lisbeth Scott. Before the release of the game, "MGS4 - Theme of Love - Smash Bros. Brawl Version" was provided for Super Smash Bros. Brawl in the Shadow Moses Island level.[42]

The official soundtrack was released on May 28, 2008 by Konami Digital Entertainment under the catalog number GFCA-98/9.[43] It is comprised of two discs of music and 47 tracks. A soundtrack album will also be packaged with Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Limited Edition.[44]

Marketing

At a press conference on May 13, 2008, Hideo Kojima announced a marketing campaign and agreements with several companies to promote the game. An Apple iPod is an in-game item that Snake can use to change the background music, and collect hidden songs scattered throughout the game. ReGain Energy Drinks are used in the game as a stamina booster, and Sony Ericsson mobile phones are used.[45]

Konami and Ubisoft put an unlockable costume in the game for Snake, Altaïr from the Ubisoft stealth game Assassin's Creed. Initially revealed on April Fool's Day 2008, Kojima later announced that it would actually be in the game, unlockable by doing "something special".[46]

Versions and releases

Limited Edition
The Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of The Patriots limited edition boxart.
The Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of The Patriots limited edition boxart.

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Limited Edition is to be released simultaneously with the game's standard edition, as an enhanced counterpart. The release will contain Guns of the Patriots, a box with artwork by Yoji Shinkawa, a Blu-ray containing two "making of" documentaries, and the game soundtrack. The Limited Editon will be available exclusively at GameStop in the United States and EB Games in Canada,[47] while a similar bundle with an additional 6-inch 'Olive Drab' Old Snake Figurine has been made available at Play.com in the United Kingdom. [48]

Release bundles
The North American boxart for the basic bundle.
The North American boxart for the basic bundle.

In North America, a bundle containing an 80GB PlayStation 3, a DualShock 3 wireless controller, a downloadable game coupon from PSN and a copy of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots will be released for US$499 to coincide with the release of the standalone edition.[49] Japan will see the release of the Guns of the Patriots Welcome Box that contains the game itself, a DualShock 3 controller, and a 40GB PS3 in either black, white or silver.[50]

Sony has also announced a limited editon pre-order bundle containing Guns of the Patriots, a Blu-ray video disc and a matte grey (officially titled Gunmetal Grey) 40GB PlayStation 3. First announced in Japan on March 18, 2008 at a cost of ¥51,800[51] the bundle sold out within six days from March 20 to March 25.[52] An identical bundle was available in North America for pre-order on May 19, 2008 in "very limited" supply for US$600 at Konami's official website.[53]

Metal Gear Online

    Main article: Metal Gear Online

Metal Gear Online is the online component of Metal Gear Solid 4. The game will feature 16-player online stealth battles, encouraging players to engage heavily in teamwork. MGO will be distributed with MGS4 in the form of a starter pack, which will be expanded through downloadable content via the PlayStation Network, potentially for up to 10 years.[54]

The game was in beta testing in Japan from August 20 to September 3, 2007.[55] Around 3,000 people joined the test sessions. US and Canadian customers who pre-order Metal Gear Solid 4 in April will be also included in a further beta test which was due to begin on April 21, 2008, however due to many technical dificulties including a server overload, it was postponed to April 25, 2008 and continued until May 11, 2008, promptly shutting down at midnight PST until its return on June 12 for the world-wide release of MGS4.[7] The beta package obtained from pre-ordering the game also includes a documentary DVD titled "Metal Gear Saga Vol. 2" with an "invite code" inside. A beta was also scheduled to be opened in Europe.[56] On April 11, 2008, Konami announced an open Metal Gear Online beta for Europe and that it would be available for download from April 26 and would be entirely open to everyone who downloaded it until May 11.[57]

Reception

So far, Metal Gear Solid 4 has received only positive reviews. It has been praised for its innovative gameplay design and provocative storyline - The first review being a 10 out of 10 from PlayStation Official Magazine (UK), commenting Metal Gear Solid 4 "shifts gears constantly, innovating again and again".[58] The game has been awarded 5/5 from the Official US PlayStation 3 Magazine and 10/10 from the PSM Italy magazine ".[59][60]. MGS4 has also received a 9.9/10 from UK IGN.
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2008, 11:39:26 PM »
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Final Fantasy 7 transformed the RPG genre.
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2008, 11:39:52 PM »
It's been getting pretty good reviews so far, eh? Not surprising, I guess, as MGS3 was quite well received. Didn't keep it from sucking balls though.  :(

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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2008, 11:40:25 PM »
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Final Fantasy 7 transformed the RPG genre

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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2008, 11:41:54 PM »
so...we will get more shooters?

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2008, 11:47:03 PM »
Exactly what impact will MGS4 have on the industry that is "nothing short of tectonic"? I haven't been keeping track of MGS4 development that closely, so I guess I've missed whatever is it that's supposed to make people say "Wow, nothing like this has ever been done before. This will change everything!"
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2008, 11:48:58 PM »
Exactly what impact will MGS4 have on the industry that is "nothing short of tectonic"? I haven't been keeping track of MGS4 development that closely, so I guess I've missed whatever is it that's supposed to make people say "Wow, nothing like this has ever been done before. This will change everything!"

That's what we're supposed to find out then, isn't it? For all my dislike of this series, I have no problem believing that Kojima and the gang might raise the bar in quite a few areas here.

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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2008, 11:49:46 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2008, 11:50:31 PM »
Oh and what did FF7 give us exactly? What kind of impact did FF7 have on the RPG world becides making spin-offs and side story milking okay.
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2008, 11:52:19 PM »
Who would be stupid enough to take things from MGS4. MGS4 has nothing worth stealing, unless you want to make a game about the color green. Gears will have more of an impact on this gen. It made cover systems almost standard.


Oh and what did FF7 give us exactly? What kind of impact did FF7 have on the RPG world becides making spin-offs and side story milking okay.

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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2008, 11:54:31 PM »
Oh and what did FF7 give us exactly? What kind of impact did FF7 have on the RPG world becides making spin-offs and side story milking okay.

Emo/femmy characters, tons of CG, tons of ellipses, ...and so on.

But seriously though, like it or hate it, RPGs did become a lot more mainstream (at least in the US) after Final Fantasy VII. A whole generation of gamers grew up fawning over it.
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2008, 11:55:33 PM »
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why does this magazine still exist

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2008, 11:59:28 PM »
Exactly what impact will MGS4 have on the industry that is "nothing short of tectonic"? I haven't been keeping track of MGS4 development that closely, so I guess I've missed whatever is it that's supposed to make people say "Wow, nothing like this has ever been done before. This will change everything!"

I'm thinking the same thing. Games will become unbearable circle jerks for fans of incessant cutscens and limited interactivity?
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« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2008, 12:03:55 AM »
Let's wait for it to come out before we say it's got nothing going for it but the color green

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« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2008, 12:04:36 AM »
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More from the Gamepro review:

"[MGS4] sets new standards for graphics,

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« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2008, 12:04:58 AM »
Mentioning FF7 is like mentioning the assassination of RFK  :-\
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2008, 12:18:08 AM »
so...we will get more shooters?

20 minute codec segments in every game from now on.
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2008, 12:34:18 AM »
are they saying this game dethrones ff7 in the category of bloated cutscenes? that doesn't make sense; mgs2 already did that.

gamepro is behind the curve, and once again fail to give the mgs series the recognition it deserves.
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« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2008, 12:50:16 AM »
Gawd damnit I love this board. Ripping MGS is heresy on GAF.

I hate that fucking series. Most overrated in the history of gaming. When Shane talks about it on 1up Yours I want to slam my Zune to the ground.

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« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2008, 12:53:00 AM »
 :'(

But FFVII/7/Seven
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2008, 01:14:19 AM »
Who would have thought just a month after GTA4 changed the landscape of gaming forever, MGS4 would do the same thing?  Jesus.

I don't hold any particular malice towards MGS, but I have to question anyone who can watch a MGS cutscene with a straight face.

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2008, 01:21:16 AM »
Who would have thought just a month after GTA4 changed the landscape of gaming forever, MGS4 would do the same thing?  Jesus.

I don't hold any particular malice towards MGS, but I have to question anyone who can watch a MGS cutscene with a straight face.

I'm that person but its more based in the popcorn entertainment I derive from the games than "Holy shit this is the best story ever. Games as art.  :bow2"
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2008, 01:28:53 AM »
Gawd damnit I love this board. Ripping MGS is heresy on GAF.

I hate that fucking series. Most overrated in the history of gaming. When Shane talks about it on 1up Yours I want to slam my Zune to the ground.
we're just joking

we all aknowledge that mgs3 is one of the most enjoyable games from the last generation. the only type of people who would say otherwise are criminals, and not the cool kind of criminal that eat people either, but the ones that diddle children and small animals while deficating on themselves.

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2008, 01:30:48 AM »
Exactly what impact will MGS4 have on the industry that is "nothing short of tectonic"?



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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2008, 01:36:42 AM »
I'm sure MGS4 will be a good game.

but

lol gamepro

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2008, 02:07:12 AM »
I loathed FFVII, but I can't deny its influence on story-telling, presentation, and cinematics on games of the PS1 era. It might have started with FFIV/FFVI, but Square raised the standards a fair bit higher with FFVII.

Too bad the game's absolute shit now, though.

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2008, 07:20:18 AM »
Does this mean that we will see more games with archaic gameplay?
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2008, 07:40:40 AM »
A whole generation of gamers grew up fawning over it.

A bunch of noobs. My first RPG was Final Fantasy 8, aka the SUPERIOR of the two.

Oh wow. FF8 was your first RPG so it's the best and that's why 7 sucks. Nice one idiot.

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« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2008, 07:46:15 AM »
FF7 kicked ass, the MGS series were great (especially the first one), and I have faith that Kojima made a fantastic follow-up to the series. It's easily my most wanted PS3 game and I am almost assuredly gonna use my economic stimulus check on a Triple and the game.
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2008, 07:59:57 AM »
:bow GAME OF THE FOREVER :bow2

 :bow Kojima :bow2
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2008, 08:17:41 AM »
FF7 :gloomy
FF8 8)
FF9 ???
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« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2008, 08:26:58 AM »
more like

FF10 :dur
FF11 :tomato
FF12 :wag
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« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2008, 08:31:33 AM »
it's good, but I went with the "narrowly dodged a bullet" icon as I managed to avoid being sucked into FFXI ;)
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2008, 08:47:10 AM »
FF8 and 9 and X and X-2  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :P :P :P :dur :dur :dur :pimp :pimp :pimp :pimp :pimp :pimp


also mgs4 is gonna be fucking awesome, its gonna be the first mgs ill ever play
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2008, 09:41:23 AM »
After the distinguished mentally-challenged that is GTA4. The Bullshit signal lights up when i see exagerated hyperbole in reviews. Is this game "oscar worthy too?

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2008, 10:03:47 AM »
After the distinguished mentally-challenged that is GTA4. The Bullshit signal lights up when i see exagerated hyperbole in reviews. Is this game "oscar worthy too?
Yes, of course.

The GTA reviews were a product of hype and manipulation by Take Two/Rockstar.

But these MGS reviews, they are the real deal.

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2008, 10:17:50 AM »
MGS4 will own all of you and you will all be crying like little ninny baby fat faces but instead of sucking on a teat, you'll be at the tip of a huge schlong waiting for the sperm to fill your tiny little mouth

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2008, 10:29:24 AM »
After the distinguished mentally-challenged that is GTA4. The Bullshit signal lights up when i see exagerated hyperbole in reviews. Is this game "oscar worthy too?
Yes, of course.

The GTA reviews were a product of hype and manipulation by Take Two/Rockstar.

But these MGS reviews, they are the real deal.

More predictably, the GTA 4 spectacle has received nearly no attention here. Leave it to the PS3 exclusive to get the debate rolling on Evilbore.

I can't wait for the game, but a 5/5 in Gamepro is just as good as a 5/5 in Maxim.

Personally, I can't find much reason to respect, let alone put faith in, reviews from any current magazine or site. Gamepro seems no more or less credible than people from any other magazine, which is to say that the magazine seems rather not credible. If they aren't on the take, they are fanboys who revel in this shred of power, likely the first such encountered in their comical lives, that their little buyer's guides ego pieces award them. And more often than not, reviewers are as prone to getting onboard the hype- or hate-trains as their readers. And then you have the odd site that publishes blatantly false information, which really shits on the buyer's guide concept.

Common to all types is that they stupidly venture into commenting on features that they are most certainly not fit or trained to really comment on. It's popular to say that the increased sophistication of technology and game design has made this or that developer fall behind, but it should probably be said more often of game critics. Multiple textures, eh, Duhglass C Perry?

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2008, 10:37:38 AM »
After the distinguished mentally-challenged that is GTA4. The Bullshit signal lights up when i see exagerated hyperbole in reviews. Is this game "oscar worthy too?
Yes, of course.

The GTA reviews were a product of hype and manipulation by Take Two/Rockstar.

But these MGS reviews, they are the real deal.

More predictably, the GTA 4 spectacle has received nearly no attention here. Leave it to the PS3 exclusive to get the debate rolling on Evilbore.


You didn't read the GTA IV gameplay thread did you?  Tons of hate.  Hell, read any GTA thread here

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2008, 10:42:08 AM »
You didn't read the GTA IV gameplay thread did you?  Tons of hate.  Hell, read any GTA thread here

Hate, yes. And I was in on that because, hey, it deserves the hate. But I don't recall seeing people pick up on the conspiracy theories much, something that seems to be changing now with MGS4. Unsurprisingly.

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2008, 10:45:01 AM »
conspiracy theories?  granted, i only skimmed over this thread, but what are people suggesting?

either way, you fucks are going to be owned when mgs4 rocks your fucking faces

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2008, 10:48:41 AM »
You didn't read the GTA IV gameplay thread did you?  Tons of hate.  Hell, read any GTA thread here

Hate, yes. And I was in on that because, hey, it deserves the hate. But I don't recall seeing people pick up on the conspiracy theories much, something that seems to be changing now with MGS4. Unsurprisingly.

Conspiracy theories about reviews are the ramblings of insane shut ins.

The only amusement available is people who cry bloody murder at review A and then sticky up their shorts over review B. And even then, the laugh factor is low.

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2008, 11:01:16 AM »
I love MGS, but gameplay wise the series has always been very clunky.  Remember the chore it was to change camo in MGS3?  I really hope they streamline the controls, but the MGO beta controls, which are apparently identical to MGS4, were awkward.  Nevertheless, I'm really looking to forward to this game.

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #44 on: May 28, 2008, 11:03:56 AM »
MGS is boring. I find the plots and intrigue absolutely distinguished mentally-challenged. I'd probably see the hilarious absurdity of the story that everyone else sees if maybe the gameplay wasnt so broken.
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #45 on: May 28, 2008, 11:10:06 AM »
After the distinguished mentally-challenged that is GTA4. The Bullshit signal lights up when i see exagerated hyperbole in reviews. Is this game "oscar worthy too?
Yes, of course.

The GTA reviews were a product of hype and manipulation by Take Two/Rockstar.

But these MGS reviews, they are the real deal.

More predictably, the GTA 4 spectacle has received nearly no attention here. Leave it to the PS3 exclusive to get the debate rolling on Evilbore.


Are you fucking joking? :rofl

There were at least two full threads dedicated to its ridiculous placement on the GameRankings charts, and plenty of bitching in the other 50 GTA threads too.


edit - did anyone but Boris even plainly state that this was Sony's doing?

And GTA4 is brought up by Grecco right at the top of the page :lol
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #46 on: May 28, 2008, 11:14:48 AM »
You didn't read the GTA IV gameplay thread did you?  Tons of hate.  Hell, read any GTA thread here

Hate, yes. And I was in on that because, hey, it deserves the hate. But I don't recall seeing people pick up on the conspiracy theories much, something that seems to be changing now with MGS4. Unsurprisingly.

The only conspiracy theories that I've seen on this site have been in jest.
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2008, 11:28:08 AM »
There are primarily three things that has made MGS inaccessible for me. First and foremost, it's too self-referential and communicates far too much awareness of that it is, in fact, a game. The camouflage stuff in MGS3, while appreciated by apparently lots of people, felt like such a gamey thing that I actually stopped myself from changing my outfit, at least within a single environment. Second, the gameplay just doesn't feel right, and if MGO is any indication, that hasn't improved much. For all his CQC moves, it just doesn't mesh. Compared to Splinter Cell, Sam's hand to hand combat ineptitude be damned, it feels unnatural.

And then you have the fucking story, and the miserable story telling. I can deal with bizarre, if the storytelling is there. Which in the case of MGS, it just plain isn't. And having suffered through about 50% of The Twilight Princess, I'm starting to think that it's a problem with Japanese storytelling in general, and that fans of the MGS story are all-out or closet Japfags who have slogged through basic training in deciphering shit storytelling just so that they can enjoy idiotic stories as they were meant to be enjoyed.

edit - did anyone but Boris even plainly state that this was Sony's doing?

And GTA4 is brought up by Grecco right at the top of the page :lol

Borys is the non-Xbox owning spokesperson for all of the xtards on Evilbore though.
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #48 on: May 28, 2008, 11:32:33 AM »
You're right, he's out there, which only proves that the whole site didn't undergo the radical shift you're trying to call it out on.

Everyone knew the GTA reviews were hype-fueled and dev-influence-fueled, and it's been repeated ad nauseum. MGS4 has gotten off easy compared to GTA.

"It's hideous"
"It's  blurry"
"It's an HD PS2 game"
"Stiff archaic gameplay"
"Totally broken and dull to play"
"No end to cutscenes"
"story and characters suck shit"
"10/10 WTF this game is a total piece of shit with no redeeming value"
"#1 on gamerankings? look at all the Take Two ads"

Common GTA comments. Common MGS comments.
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #49 on: May 28, 2008, 11:51:54 AM »
It's on now :hyper

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #50 on: May 28, 2008, 11:52:35 AM »
Borys is the non-Xbox owning spokesperson for all of the xtards on Evilbore though.

Give me a fucking break.

I own PS2 and around 12 games. I own countless PSX games.
Xbox killed PC gaming as we know it. I'll NEVER forgive Microsoft that.

I want a PS3 to play FF13 and GoW3 badly.

And you call me an Xbot? Sony troll?

Give me a fucking break Andrews.

Why so serious? :wtf
I'm well aware of your history with consoles, but as the conscious of Evilbore, you are the primary Xtard spokesperson. Whether you own, or like, the console or not.

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #51 on: May 28, 2008, 11:57:52 AM »
I don't understand how people can complain about MGS gameplay and then sit through a GTA game which has shitty ass gameplay that hasn't changed since GTA3.

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #52 on: May 28, 2008, 12:00:54 PM »
I don't understand how people can complain about MGS gameplay and then sit through a GTA game which has shitty ass gameplay that hasn't changed since GTA3.
I think that combat in GTA IV is marginally improved, but I agree with your sentiment. Both have had little to no gameplay progression through the course of several sequels and console generations.
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #53 on: May 28, 2008, 12:02:29 PM »
i find GTA to be more fun than the MGS series.  but that's just me.   ???

nonetheless, i've got my MGS4 preordered, this game better blow my nuts off! :rock
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #54 on: May 28, 2008, 12:31:50 PM »
Quote from: AA
I'm well aware of your history with consoles, but as the conscious of Evilbore, you are the primary Xtard spokesperson. Whether you own, or like, the console or not.

This is fucking bullshit. MrSingh? dcharlie? I don't even post in 75% of Xbox 360 threads caue I DO NOT CARE. I do not even *want* a 360 (except for the jRPG games :heartbeat). Come on, buy me a 360 and ship it to me I dare you. I'll burn the fucking thing and post a video here. I double-fucking dare you.

The absolutely most insane thing here is that you're actually bothering with sulfur-fueled responses to what anyone familiar with you should know is a matter of someone pushing just the right buttons. C'mon now.  :lol

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #55 on: May 28, 2008, 12:47:42 PM »
bu bu beee booo sony destroyed sega dreamcast
bu bu bee booo MS destroyed pc gaming
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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #56 on: May 28, 2008, 01:26:10 PM »
AA, what you need to understand is that this isn't GAF. If someone here trolls Sony, i'd say 80% of it is mockingly. On GAF, people like Mabuza actually have an unhealthy love for sony, and they're not just fucking around when they troll anything on the 360 and worship anything on the PS3.

I've seen quite a bit of MS complaining on these boards too.

Well, quite a few of the people who are regularly griped about for their supposed hard-headed Sony fandom view message boards as "ARGs", and play their characters. Sort of like a shitload of people who post here, and as with any designed character, the one-sidedness wears thin. Which pushes them to go all in and really become the psycho barnacleheads they have been playing, chill a bit, or spread the love hate evenly.

People should be more like me, really.

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #57 on: May 28, 2008, 01:30:30 PM »
dcharlie is the xfag emperor

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #58 on: May 28, 2008, 01:35:24 PM »
Meh, I've seen more decent game discussion go on here than on most other boards. "Serious" really is relative. NeoGAF certainly allows one to seriously discuss if Liquids arm gives Ocelot superior masturbation powers, that doesn't make it good discussion. If you can look past the characters a bit (and ignore some), this place is alright.

And where else could one accuse an Xbox hater of being an Xbot spokesperson and get a serious response? It really doesn't get more serious than that.

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Re: GAMEPRO GIVES MGS4 5/5 AND THEY BRING UP FF7 IN REVIEW
« Reply #59 on: May 28, 2008, 01:39:42 PM »
Dude, I made an entire thread about whether or not doing review gameplay runs on publisher's turf or with developers is ethical in regards to Grand Theft Auto 4.  Stop wah-wah'ing.
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