Metal Gear Solid 4: THE OFFICIAL GAMEPLAY THREAD. Open season on spoilers!

[Crushed]

Wait until you get the third B&B's weapon. It's a

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Railgun, exactly like Fortune's from MGS2, with a scope.

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[Vizzys]

got my copy

im going to try mgo first

[duckman2000]

Read on GAF that you have to play MGO for 20 hours before you can form a clan. Is that true?

[MCD]

what a blind biased fuck.

[Don Flamenco]

i would say Assassin's Creed but knowing you AA and your hate for Ubi, i dare not to.

but seriously, it's not about picking one game, there are many, many games with better graphics than MGS4, uncharted, gears, cod4, AC, lost planet...etc.

and i am talking about graphics not fucking artstyle or fucking cutscenes (which MGS4 excels at both no doubt.)

blah blah blah "better graphics."  I try to look at it past the "16-bit videogame commercial" level, kid.  Art style has every thing to do with visual prowess, which is what technical graphics also fall under.  It's wholly subjective (and embarrassing when people quantify it.)

having played your choices maxed on my PC (besides Uncharted), I still stand by my choice.  I'd rather not get into a nerd battle about it.

[MCD]

yes, because CLEARLY AC MAXED ON YOUR PC IS STILL NOT BETTER GRAPHICALLY EVEN WITH IT'S GORGEOUS ARTSTYLE.

[duckman2000]

yes, because CLEARLY AC MAXED ON YOUR PC IS STILL NOT BETTER GRAPHICALLY EVEN WITH IT'S GORGEOUS ARTSTYLE.

You're so god damned stupid. 

[MCD]

and you are not? do i need to fucking remind you of haze?

[BamYouHaveAids]

stop the this is a topic of

My friend was going to purchase it and let me borrow his ps3 afterwards but he decided not to buy it. I'm seriously considering buying a ps3, but am having a hard time justifying it since I'm only interested in this and maybe 2 or 3 upcoming games. This sucks.

[Solo]

Picked up me LE about 6 hours ago. Probably wait until the weekend before giving it a go, though. The box itself looks pretty hot.

[duckman2000]

and you are not? do i need to fucking remind you of haze?

Hey, I've explained the Haze ordeal quite a few times. It'd take a stupid person to even attempt to use that "against me" at this point. This fucking argument though, you just don't fucking get it. It might be your necrophiliac leanings that causes this, I don't know. You are not only trying to tell someone that he's wrong in saying that he thinks the game is the best looking game of this generation, but you're actually trying to write the rules on judgment here. Artistic direction and value, what does that have to do with graphics quality, right? Especially when you're talking about subjective appreciation of visual presentation, yeah? The dude even mentioned it in his post.

Take a break, look it over. If your argument still seems reasonable to you, then by all means, keep puttering along in stupid bliss.

[MCD]

fatally flawed my ass.

but whatever, i will stop for Bam.

[BlueTsunami]

Graphics discussion =

But yeah, make another thread about it and you guys can go at it as much as you want

[MCD]

no need.

[Mupepe]

take this shit elsewhere.

seriously.

if you guys want to discuss the graphics, great.  But quit arguing like gaffers about it.

[muckhole]

Here's the million dollar question. Can the cutscenes be paused in any way? I know you can skip 'em, but if I actually want to know what's going on am I going to have to hide somewhere all day to play it, for fear of interruption?

[Vizzys]

mgo isnt bad

its a bit slow but fun

[Mupepe]

Here's the million dollar question. Can the cutscenes be paused in any way? I know you can skip 'em, but if I actually want to know what's going on am I going to have to hide somewhere all day to play it, for fear of interruption?

press start.

it'll pause them and the option to skip is actually in the pause menu.  the first time i saw the x and l1 pop up i was afraid to press them because i didn't want to skip.

[BlueTsunami]

Here's the million dollar question. Can the cutscenes be paused in any way? I know you can skip 'em, but if I actually want to know what's going on am I going to have to hide somewhere all day to play it, for fear of interruption?

press start.

it'll pause them and the option to skip is actually in the pause menu.  the first time i saw the x and l1 pop up i was afraid to press them because i didn't want to skip.

I was afraid of that too but then I said fuck it then was like Then I was like Kojima and Co.

[tiesto]

I'd give you my impressions, but it's still fucking installing... after d/ling and installing a long-ass system update and me making my PSN account. The names "Tiesto", "djtiesto" and "Tiesto643" were already taken 

BUT, I went to my old XBL stalwart of "AfrikaShoxx", and that worked.

How would I make a JP account to download JP PSN games?

[Vizzys]

nerd lolz: I just killed a guy with the name aizen sousuke

[Smooth Groove]

30 mins into the game, MGS4 is pretty much what I expected. 

Although the camera feels great compared to the original MGS3, stealth stills feels more like a chore.  I'll probably start Ramboing my way through the game pretty soon.   

In terms of graphics, it's really stunning for a SD game.  But ROFLMAO at distinguished mentally-challenged Sfags that think MGS4 even comes close to the amazing technical achievements of UE3 and GOW. 

[Positive Touch]

4 hours in and i'm kind of bored.  I've been doing a combo of stealth and rambo, and while the sneaking is okay (but difficult), run-n-gun kinda sucks.  The camera moves way to slow, even with the sensitivity turned up.  And I REALLY wish there was a way to lock the game in first-person view.  Holding down L1 just feels even more janky now that you can walk around in FPV. 

Oh and fuck me for thinking MGS3 had shown that Kojima had learned some lessons.  This game is chock full of overly long descriptions of objectives and gear, and SHUT UP with the talk about PMCs taking over the world.  How many times are they going to explain the same thing?  In spite of this, I think the game's still alright, but I'm just waiting for it to click.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

So do you guys think MGS4 is worth $500? I'm kinda hesitating purchasing a PS3 next week now heh. $500 is a shit lot and could pay off one of my credit cards

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Oh and since my brother has a PS3 I figured i could just borrow his in the fall and buy it for mega cheap then. But thats a long wait for a metal gear die hard like me

[Brehvolution]

Installing!!!

[Brehvolution]

So do you guys think MGS4 is worth $500? I'm kinda hesitating purchasing a PS3 next week now heh. $500 is a shit lot and could pay off one of my credit cards

well there are more games on the PS3 that are worth while.
But yeah, i'd drop the $500 on the debt first.

Agreed.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Well I don't really play games anymore except whatever Harmonix puts out and MLB 08 (for the PSP...MLB 2k8 sucks dix on xbox, so the PS3 version of 08 was a huge draw), along with like Uncharted. Other than those, Sony has no intention of bringing my favorite PS2 series to the PS3 so .

I figured I should atleast wait until E3 and pay off the debt so .

I dunno yet Thanks for the help guys

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Yeah, The Show and MGS4 are my real draws to the system.

Thnx for the help though guys. Guess i'll pay a credit card bill before it goes way up from not paying it

[Narag]

act 3 mission briefing

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naomi and otacon are like watching padme and anakin in episode 2 ffffffffffffffffss

hah ok the scene ended well

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[Don Flamenco]

The gameplay in the first few sections is weird.  Seems like you could just Rambo it completely, but then stealth is encouraged.  But why would you need stealth in the first place if the PMCs are just mindless soldiers?  Although it's extremely fun from a gameplay standpoint, it also seems a bit arbitrary to have to use stealth.

yes, because CLEARLY AC MAXED ON YOUR PC IS STILL NOT BETTER GRAPHICALLY EVEN WITH IT'S GORGEOUS ARTSTYLE.

yeah, I mean, I figured you didn't get it all, but this confirms it.  only on the internet.

[abrader]

i finally got a chance to play it.

ITs soooo good.

exceeds my expectations

great typical metal gear antics with better squad AI/routines and more interesting/complex environments.

I wish I could throw an all niter on it!

[MCD]

The gameplay in the first few sections is weird.  Seems like you could just Rambo it completely, but then stealth is encouraged.  But why would you need stealth in the first place if the PMCs are just mindless soldiers?  Although it's extremely fun from a gameplay standpoint, it also seems a bit arbitrary to have to use stealth.

yes, because CLEARLY AC MAXED ON YOUR PC IS STILL NOT BETTER GRAPHICALLY EVEN WITH IT'S GORGEOUS ARTSTYLE.

yeah, I mean, I figured you didn't get it all, but this confirms it.  only on the internet.

don't let me hurt you now.

[Rman]

I'm loving this game.  It feels way more fluid than previous games.  The presentation is ace.  Can't wait to sink in tomorrow night. 

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Re: the Beasts cutscene.  WOW.

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[BlueTsunami]

For everyone complaining about the overly long codecs, you can skip or fast foward the codec message. I find the Fast Foward function useful when Otacon is re explaining himself for the fith time within the same message.

Also, I was using the M4 alot at first but I've reverted to using the Silenced Tranq Gun. It feels way more fullfilling to take on things more stealthily.

[Vizzys]

I'm loving this game.  It feels way more fluid than previous games.  The presentation is ace.  Can't wait to sink in tomorrow night. 

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Re: the Beasts cutscene.  WOW.

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I just saw said cutscene

it was pretty awesome

also find myself using the tranq gun as well

[Akala]

Really good so far. Some of the interface/controls are wonky, but I expected that going in. Not sure about the story so far, but it's really just picking up.

Good graphics, good music, and lots of fun when everything cooperates. 

I'm almost tempted to call into work tomorrow...not that I will, but it's been a long time since I've wanted to bail on everything and play a game!

[Mupepe]

For everyone complaining about the overly long codecs, you can skip or fast foward the codec message. I find the Fast Foward function useful when Otacon is re explaining himself for the fith time within the same message.

Also, I was using the M4 alot at first but I've reverted to using the Silenced Tranq Gun. It feels way more fullfilling to take on things more stealthily.

Yup yup.  I've been using the tranq gun more and more.  Too bad I pretty much ran out of ammo in

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South America.

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I also keep getting my ass kicked there after

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the second time you talk to Raiden and the helicopter is there and the guy in the tank.

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[Brehvolution]

You guys are way ahead of me though I must be close to the end of act 1. I have to quit and go to bed. So far, I'm very impressed with the quality of the game. I don't want to stop. Damn work tomorrow. Hopefully we will get shit weather and I'll be stuck inside for the weekend.

It is so nice having been patient for so long for this game to finally arrive.

  Thanks Kojima 

[tiesto]

Act 1: Made it up to the part where you

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meet Meryl and her crew, and escape from the palace getting attacked by Liquid's troops

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Awesome game so far, although the controls and the camera take a bit of getting used to, even more than the other games. I actually liked the top-down view of MGS1-3.

[Narag]

I must be distinguished mentally-challenged because I didn't realize the camera changed that much.

[Brehvolution]

I adjust the camera with the right analog thumb thingy. NO problems here with the camera.

As far as the 'Price of War' goes... in my mind, the more PMC you kill = higher price  whereas using the stun knife to eliminate a threat doesn't kill them.

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What do I know at this point? Just a guess.

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[abrader]

i totally got the hang of it and im moving thru the areas like the boss.

the controls are awesome.

especially because they are different - and its fun/good to play something different....

[fistfulofmetal]

Laughing Octopus 

[Narag]

Act 3 spoiler:

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Liquid turning on the Guns of hte Patriots was fuckign awesome.

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[TVC15]

It's pretty good.  It's really nice looking.  Maybe not the nicest from a fidelity level, but the detail is especially astounding, moreso in act 1 than in 2 (which is as far as I am now).

Gameplay is better than it's ever been, though it still has a janky feel to it.  The story, well, hasn't fared so well.  It feels like it goes between pure fanservice and MGS2-style incoherence.  I am sure the usual suspects will try to spin the story as being great, but it's really messier than it's ever been.

So far, so good, though.  Gotta say I appreciate the codec being downplayed.

[Positive Touch]

10 HOURS TODAY WOOOOO

Just finished Act 2 and I'm liking it a bit more.  The areas in Act 1 felt much more cramped to me.  Everything in Act 2 seems larger.  Plus we finally get a boss fight and some cutscenes with action instead of jibber-jabber.  Also jesus christ at this part in Act 2:

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Rosemary marrying the Colonel?  wtf

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And TVC is right, it feels like there's a story tucked inbetween segments that are meant to cover the previous games' plotholes/dangling threads.  Pretty lame.

[TVC15]

Also, for those that are further than me:

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Do they ever explain how they freed Sunny?  As of the end of MGS2, the Patriots still had her, correct?

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If they don't explain the circumstances of her getting freed, I'd be a bit irked.

Also, I was kinda bummed the first act was so short.  That area was really cool.

also

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Wasn't Naomi arrested in MGS1?  Do they ever say how she was freed or anything?

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[MCD]

Stop spinning TVC and tear this bitch apart, be a good xfag now.

[duckman2000]

I hope Blockbuster get this in soon. I want to check it out, but I can't justify owning more than one game right now. :/

[Positive Touch]

tvc, they answer both of those questions in act 2.

[TVC15]

Stop spinning TVC and tear this bitch apart, be a good xfag now.

I'm something of an MG fanboy.  Metal Gear was one of the first NES games I got as a tyke, and for the next decade I wished they'd make a sequel.  

So far, I love the gameplay in this one, but the story is kinda ehhhh so far.  Keep in mind I'm not very far in but. . .

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So far having blast from the past appearances by Naomi and Meryl feels very fanservicey.  In both cases, there's really little to no reason why these specific characters had to come back, other than to give fan boners.  It just felt, I dunno, forced.  And the general "The Patriots are bad but Ocelot is AGAINST them but we have to kill Ocelot" storyline is so obvious.  No matter how many layers of good/bad/war rhetoric it's rapped on, it's still not as "deep" as it presents itself as.

I'm early enough in that I reserve full rights to do a 180 on my opinion of the storyline, btw.  For the record, I didn't like MGS3's, either.  This, however, is the first MGS game since the original that is legitimately fun to play, so far.  The first game was novel at the time, making it easy to see passed the clunky controls.  In this, for the first time we can throw stealth to the shitter and go ape shit Rambo effectively.

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[Narag]

Yeah the story can be shit but seeing some of the stuff going on, especially Act IV, makes me forgive a lot of stuff.

[Van Cruncheon]

wait, stealth in the shitter? RAMBO TIME? color me interested.

[MCD]

Stop spinning TVC and tear this bitch apart, be a good xfag now.

I'm something of an MG fanboy.  Metal Gear was one of the first NES games I got as a tyke, and for the next decade I wished they'd make a sequel.  

So far, I love the gameplay in this one, but the story is kinda ehhhh so far.  Keep in mind I'm not very far in but. . .

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So far having blast from the past appearances by Naomi and Meryl feels very fanservicey.  In both cases, there's really little to no reason why these specific characters had to come back, other than to give fan boners.  It just felt, I dunno, forced.  And the general "The Patriots are bad but Ocelot is AGAINST them but we have to kill Ocelot" storyline is so obvious.  No matter how many layers of good/bad/war rhetoric it's rapped on, it's still not as "deep" as it presents itself as.

I'm early enough in that I reserve full rights to do a 180 on my opinion of the storyline, btw.  For the record, I didn't like MGS3's, either.  This, however, is the first MGS game since the original that is legitimately fun to play, so far.  The first game was novel at the time, making it easy to see passed the clunky controls.  In this, for the first time we can throw stealth to the shitter and go ape shit Rambo effectively.

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I'm a MGS taco as well and it's nice to see the gameplay is good.

story isn't a deal breaker for me.

[Narag]

Also, borys was right about the loading times as they're really not intrusive thus far and come at points where you want a break after what you've just witnessed.

[CurseoftheGods]

TVC:

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Liquid Ocelot broke Naomi out of jail and forced her to do research in a lab in South Africa. I think it was mentioned in the message decoded by Sunny.

I'd like to know about the Sunny thing myself, though.

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[Narag]

Sunny stuff:

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Basically a genius of a child that grew up on the internet hence her inability to cook properly let alone speak correctly. She seems most comfortable behind a keyboard. I think otacon is jealous of how smart she is.

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[TVC15]

Where do you get the camera, in game? I think I must have missed it.

[MrAngryFace]

Also, borys was right about the loading times as they're really not intrusive thus far and come at points where you want a break after what you've just witnessed.

haha 'after what you've just witnessed'

jesus