Watchmen trailer

[Darunia]

that's a pretty impressive trailer. Only thing I don't like was the song to go with it but that's just personal preference I guess. They nailed Manhattan, thank god

[Eel O'Brian]

I liked the idea behind the master plan, just not the plan itself.  If that makes any sense. 

makes perfect sense, that's how i feel about it

[thekavorka]

I read the book for the third or fourth time couple weeks ago, and I still hate Ozymandias's plan.

trailer looks hot though. i hope the tagline on the posters is "who watches the watchmen"

[CajoleJuice]

if i didn't own Absolute Watchmen already, I'd have bought it just after seeing that.

I actually just went and bought it.  And 2 volumes of Essential Doctor Strange.

Where'd you buy it?

Also, the trailer was pretty awesome. I've read through about 1/4 - 1/3 of the book at B&N.

[Eric P]

the only essential books i bought were Dazzler and the first two Daredevils

i should get the Tomb of Dracula ones and also i'd like some of the X-Men ones simply for filthy nostalgia purposes

I dig the Essential books.  They're cheap!  I was curious about the Tomb of Dracula ones.  I don't know the comic.  Any good?

i enjoy them but i have a tolerance for 70s horror comics.

check out the first volume and see if it's your cup of joe.

[CajoleJuice]

Oh, and thanks for the suggestion, Eric.

[Eric P]

oh wait

i also bought the Howard the Duck one

i totally can't wait for the "Omnibus" edition

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I liked the idea behind the master plan, just not the plan itself.  If that makes any sense. 

Pretty much. I think that the idea behind the plan is more pertinent than ever; though the plan itself is a bit goofy.

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9/11 gave us unfortunate real-world proof of the unfeasibility of Ozymandias' plan. Catastrophic, terrible events that "change everything" and bring the world together as one usually only last 6-9 months before everyone goes back to being petty, sniping, backstabbing, selfish, well, people. Ozymandias is an idealist, but it's realism that wins out in the real world. You can scare people onto the straight and narrow for a little while, but they always wander off.

Also I feel bad bringing up 9/11 in a serious manner re: Watchmen while always giving Nolan shit for it. :'(

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[Eel O'Brian]

i used to have the watchmen blood-splattered smiley face wristwatch, wish i still had it, probably worth a ton right now

[Howard Alan Treesong]

when my girlfriend was in the hospital I bought a smiley face balloon from the hospital commissary and drew a big arrow bloodstain on it with a red magic marker. it was hilarious

[TVC15]

the only essential books i bought were Dazzler and the first two Daredevils

i should get the Tomb of Dracula ones and also i'd like some of the X-Men ones simply for filthy nostalgia purposes

I dig the Essential books.  They're cheap!  I was curious about the Tomb of Dracula ones.  I don't know the comic.  Any good?

i enjoy them but i have a tolerance for 70s horror comics.

check out the first volume and see if it's your cup of joe.

I think I'd be cool with 70s horror comics.  I just wasn't sure whether it was even a horror series or if i was some sor tof comic book-y Dracula as an anti-hero thingie.

[Eric P]

nah

then it would be 80s crap

[Fresh Prince]

I read the book for the third or fourth time couple weeks ago, and I still hate Ozymandias's plan.

But in a sense Ozymandias knows it's a silly\stupid scenario but thinks it's the best way forward and so does Dr Manhattan in the 'short term'.

The trailer was hot but I guess hearing some dialog would be a good thing.

[CajoleJuice]

Welp, I just bought Absolute Watchmen. Borders.com was the only place I could find it.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

http://movies.apple.com/movies/wb/watchmen/watchmen-tlr1_h720p.mov


AL OVVER MY FACE.


You can see the comedian on

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night owls ship!!!

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also you can see small traces of purple that Snyder threw in.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

The other thing i'm REALLY FUCKING HAPPY SNYDER DID AND DIDNT CALL IT IN ON

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Roarsharks ever changing facial mask. You can see it changing when the camera pans in that close shot to his face.

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I thought that was something they'd just not do.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

you can also see

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president nixon on the TVs

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in the shot with Ozymandias

[muckhole]

you can also see

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president nixon on the TVs

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in the shot with Ozymandias

That's really cool. I missed that.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

And

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Night Owls reaction to Roarshark getting wtfpwned by Dr Manhattan

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[Howard Alan Treesong]

Other cool geeky factoids I noticed

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- Roscharch starts his fire with VEIDT Hairspray For Men
- "Who Watches the Watchmen" graffiti on glass
- "Intrinsic Field Generator A/B" visible on Dr. Manhattan explosion shot, plus he's holding the watch
- The Comedian's smiley face button comes into view in the last few frames of the window shot
- Ozymandias' logo visible on doors as Veidt takes out his assassin

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oh my god I want to reread Watchmen NOW

[Eel O'Brian]

I hope they don't give short shrift to Hollis Mason's role

those are my favorite parts of the watchmen comics

[Eric P]

I'm going to start it again tonight.

i have just pulled my copy from the case having just now finished Absolute LXG Vol 2

[TVC15]

There's absolute LXG?  What is it, the first two volumes?

[MyNameIsMethodis]

I hope they don't give short shrift to Hollis Mason's role

those are my favorite parts of the watchmen comics

Well you can see Roarshark pin him up against a wall after Comedian fights against

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Ozymandias

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[Eel O'Brian]

that's moloch

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Ohhh shit my bad, messed it up.

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Well, we did see that early picture of the Original Watchmen sooooo

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[Eel O'Brian]

yeah, but i loved the book excerpts, and i know they gotta cut some things, and i get the feeling all that stuff is gone

there were rumors at the time (i bought watchmen off the shelf when it first came out) that alan moore and dave gibbons were going to do a minutemen series, and another rumor that moore was actually going to write an entire Under the Hood book

i would have bought both those in a flat second

[Eric P]

There's absolute LXG?  What is it, the first two volumes?

there are two seperate ones

the first volume is long out of print and now sells for $300 +

the second volume, which is the one i have, contains in one oversized hardcover all  the issues, all the extras from the floppies (like the short story the papercraft, the boardgames and such) and then the second book in the slip case is the script book, which is really why i purchased it.

I found mine on ebay for like $65 shipped

here's one for $60 plus $9 shipping

http://cgi.ebay.com/ABSOLUTE-LEAGUE-OF-EXTRAORDINARY-GENTLEMEN-VOL-2-HC_W0QQitemZ140237554519QQihZ004QQcategoryZ77QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247


if you would like, i could take some photos so you can get a better sense of it

[TVC15]

If you're up to it, sure.

I wish somebody would make a League movie.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

They already did.


Also whats the difference between absolute watchmen and this one http://www.borders.com/online/store/TitleDetail?sku=0930289234


I have the latter.

[TVC15]

Absolute Watchmen is hardcover, oversized, recolored, and all sorts of bonus material, including some script pages and the original pitch for the comic.

[Eric P]

If you're up to it, sure.

I wish somebody would make a League movie.

man that would neat!

but there's no way it could be more faithful an adaptation than V so why even try?

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Absolute Watchmen is hardcover, oversized, recolored, and all sorts of bonus material, including some script pages and the original pitch for the comic.

Recolored? what does that mean? Does it get rid of that lame purple hue?

[TVC15]

Absolute Watchmen is hardcover, oversized, recolored, and all sorts of bonus material, including some script pages and the original pitch for the comic.

Recolored? what does that mean? Does it get rid of that lame purple hue?

They've recolored it to bring it up to date with modern coloring standards.  It looks smoother, I guess is the best way to put it.  It's subtle and not overdone or anything like that.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

I guess I kinda understand were you comin from.

[Eric P]

Absolute LXG Vol 2.

the slip case art.




the books themselves


endpapers

The back endpapers are the hybrid animals from the cabin

the pages are the good glossy kind.  not the odd paper kind like in abso watchmen.


the script book is awesome because not only does it include pencils and roughs, but also, each page that the script is for is reprinted in soft gray tones underneath.  it's subtle, but it's a neat effect.


the fold out League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Game

[TVC15]

Hmmm, do you have the Absolute Sandmans?  I'm going to look for a copy of Vol 1 right now.  Sandman is my favorite, and he could totally kick that cigarillo Batman's ass.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Hmmm, do you have the Absolute Sandmans?  I'm going to look for a copy of Vol 1 right now.  Sandman is my favorite, and he could totally kick that cigarillo Batman's ass.

and nearly did, in the Jon Peters version!

great EW writeup on Watchmen with several new pics:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20213273,00.html

[Eric P]

i have all three of them

DO NOT GET DISCOURAGED BY THE FIRST ONE

i was a bit upset because beyond the recoloring they didn't do much else with what they had.  the extras were skimpy, the intro was kind of lame and i was really glad i hadn't spent MSRP to get it.

the second volume, however, is totally fuck awesome reprinting the entire Sandman Month sept 1991 promo stuff including commissioned but unpublished posters, pictures of some of the merch they did like the death watch, the first t-shirt, the making of the first sandman statue (weird inclusion, but neat), it also reprints the ENTIRETY of the pin up book Visions of Dream which were comic artist interpretations of Dream and co and finally contains the script and roughs for chapter 2 of Seasons of the Mists.

volume three raises the ante even more

collects the never collected predecessors to the pin up comics, promo Endless art, more merch (endless pewter figures?  ren fest exclusives or something?), the cain and able book ends and the concept sketches for them, the follow up to Visions of Dream the Endless Gallery (another collection of pin ups), an entire section on The Little Endless by Jill Thompson, the script notes and roughs of issue 50; Ramadan, and P Craig Russel's statuary design and it reprints the end notes from the original trades.

I can't wait to see what's in store for the fourth and final volume of Absolute Sandman

[Eric P]

oh, the first volume contains the Midsummer's Night Dream script and roughs.  kind of neat but the rest of the package kind of let me down

[TVC15]

Sure, there have been changes. The catastrophic climax is different. Provocative bits, like a timely subplot about alternative fuels, have been added.

I like the climax change bit. . .dunno about the alternative fuel subplot.

So there will be 4 volumes of Absolute Sandman.  Is that enough to cover the entire series?

[Eric P]

too good to be true.

[muckhole]

Sorry to butt in here but after slowly but surely buying the Sandman TPS with a few hardcovers thrown in, it's awesome to hear about these Absolute Sandman. I'm still missing a handful, so this will be perfect.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Sure, there have been changes. The catastrophic climax is different. Provocative bits, like a timely subplot about alternative fuels, have been added.

I like the climax change bit. . .dunno about the alternative fuel subplot.

This is present in the original book as well - there's some subplotting about the changes that Dr. Manhattan's intelligence and research has brought to the world - in addition to realtering the geopolitical atmosphere, he's given us 8-legged turkeys and almost unlimited energy through cheap cold fusion. All of Gibbons' artwork reflects this - cars have fuel cells but don't have mufflers, etc. I'd imagine this detail has just been given slightly more emphasis, but since it's in the original comic, I'm not offended.

I THOUGHT YOU ALL WERE WATCHMEN FANS

[Eric P]

I THOUGHT YOU ALL WERE WATCHMEN FANS

we are only half as enthusiastic toward the film

that's why we are watchmen fans, while you are a watchman fanatic.

you're twice as into it.

[TVC15]

Sure, there have been changes. The catastrophic climax is different. Provocative bits, like a timely subplot about alternative fuels, have been added.

I like the climax change bit. . .dunno about the alternative fuel subplot.

This is present in the original book as well - there's some subplotting about the changes that Dr. Manhattan's intelligence and research has brought to the world - in addition to realtering the geopolitical atmosphere, he's given us 8-legged turkeys and almost unlimited energy through cheap cold fusion. All of Gibbons' artwork reflects this - cars have fuel cells but don't have mufflers, etc. I'd imagine this detail has just been given slightly more emphasis, but since it's in the original comic, I'm not offended.

I THOUGHT YOU ALL WERE WATCHMEN FANS

I haven't read it in a while.  Probably a few years.  JESUS MAN

[Eric P]

Sorry to butt in here but after slowly but surely buying the Sandman TPS with a few hardcovers thrown in, it's awesome to hear about these Absolute Sandman. I'm still missing a handful, so this will be perfect.

i don't know about canada, but in the us, you can purchase from buy.com and use google checkout and get $10 off if you're a first time buyer.  It's how i got my first one for $50 shipped

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I've read Watchmen like two dozen times. I'm That Guy.

[TVC15]

If someone gets to make a Watchmen movie, I think someone should get to make a Sandman movie.  Actually, I guess it would have to be a series.

[Eel O'Brian]

much as i love the watchmen, i can't help but think about the interviews with moore i read years later where he sort of laments ever writing it, due to the morose overly grim shift in tone superhero comics took in the decade after watchmen and dark knight

i wonder if he's hoping the same shit doesn't start all over again because of the movie

[TVC15]

I wish a similar shift happened in response to Lost Girls.

Man, I want to buy it so much but I am afraid to bring it up to the counter.

[CajoleJuice]

Taken from the GAF thread because it's awesome

[Eric P]

Man, I want to buy it so much but I am afraid to bring it up to the counter.

i still haven't read that all the way through

i couldn't really get into it when i was trying to read it at a friends house

[TVC15]

Has Alan Moore really done anything since Lost Girls and Black Dossier?

According to book web sites, there's an Absolute edition of Black Dossier, too, but I'd only get that for completion's sake.

[Eric P]

that's not even out yet but i will probably break down and buy it because it's supposed to be out and out balls to the wall black dossier

and i am the only person i know who enjoyed black dossier for what it was, which was essentially just a world guide

but then as a kid i would buy obscure indie rpgs just to read about the worlds with no intention of ever playing the games.

but for recent works, there don't seem to be any

Recent work

Moore plotted the six issue mini-series Albion for the Wildstorm imprint of DC Comics. The series is written by his daughter Leah Moore and her husband John Reppion.

With Steve Moore he is writing The Moon and Serpent Bumper Book of Magic which is set to be published by Top Shelf at some point in 2010.[24]

It has also been recently announced that Avatar Press will be publishing a short graphic novel called Light of thy Countenance at the start of 2009 (which is based on a short story Moore wrote, originally published in 1995) and a horror comic series called Neonomicon.[25]

[Eric P]

I've read Watchmen like two dozen times. I'm That Guy.

i'm that guy with New Frontier.

[Eel O'Brian]

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (Vol. III): Century [the third installment of Moore's Victorian-sleuthing comic, due out in April 2009] certainly stokes the imagination. Why make it span three different eras — 1910, 1968, and the present?

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20213067_20213068_20213004,00.html

[Eric P]

He's supposed to be a very nice guy.
He may very well be, but the thing is that he's also the person who made 300. I've not seen any recent comic book films, but I didn't particularly like the book 300. I had a lot of problems with it, and everything I heard or saw about the film tended to increase [those problems] rather than reduce them: [that] it was racist, it was homophobic, and above all it was sublimely stupid

 

[drohne]

schroeder as ozymandias and snoopy as rorschach make a weird kind of sense

[TVC15]

that's not even out yet but i will probably break down and buy it because it's supposed to be out and out balls to the wall black dossier

and i am the only person i know who enjoyed black dossier for what it was, which was essentially just a world guide

but then as a kid i would buy obscure indie rpgs just to read about the worlds with no intention of ever playing the games.

I dunno.  I think Black Dossier is more of a disappointment than it is a failure.  There was such a huge span of time between II and BD that expectations were pretty high.