Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba baaaa

[The Fake Shemp]

I could get down with that.

[Brehvolution]

This was on last night. You may wanna watch if you want to see something I thought was funny.
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[The Fake Shemp]

That was not really must-watch youtube.  I will deactivate your youtube powers!

[Mandark]

I remember when I was a huge Bill Maher fanboy...


...wait for it








...wait for it














...IN MIDDLE SCHOOL!  Oh burn.

[The Fake Shemp]

lol eastern liberal elite

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

The GOP won't be splitting into two parties.  Instead, we'll see a comical fight between the Neocon leftovers and the Religious Right.  Both think it is their time to step up and take over the party and that will secure a 2012 Obama victory.

Also, the last time a Presidential candidate tried to win with racism:

1964 - Barry Goldwater - 52 Electoral Votes
1968 - George Wallace - 46 Electoral Votes

Considering how things were in the 60s compared to today, if McCain were to allow the campaign to move to near racism, he'd probably get a McGovern or a Mondale turnout.  Which is why he is trying to stop the racist right from overrunning his campaign.

Which is why I expect him to drop the terrorist-racist angle soon.  He knows he lost and will probably focus more on not getting absolutely railroaded on the 4th.  He knows that the attacks are giving Obama greater leads and that his main support now can't even conceal their racism anymore.  That is not a winning formula or even a barely losing formula.

[Phoenix Dark]

Also, the last time a Presidential candidate tried to win with racism:

1972 - Richard Nixon - 520 Electoral Votes
1988 - George HW Bush - 426 Electoral Votes

Fixed

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

1972 was more of the anti-hippie vote.  1988 was more of making fun of Dukakis's soft yet robotic persona.

[Brehvolution]

Fox interviews the head of ACORN.
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3147606&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/

[Phoenix Dark]

72 featured a lot of racial fear mongering, most evident in the southern races. And with 88 the Willie Horton ad and other insinuations on Dukakis' crime record were more blatant than McCain's hardest attacks.

John Lewis weighs in

"What I am seeing reminds me too much of another destructive period in American history," Lewis said in a statement issued today.  "Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse."

"George Wallace never threw a bomb," Lewis noted.  "He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights. Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed on Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Alabama."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/John_Lewis_invoking_George_Wallace_says_McCain_and_Palin_playing_with_fire.html

[Mandark]

Republican talking head on MSNBC says that when Palin said "Obama sees America differently from the rest of us" in the context of his relationship with Bill Ayers, what she was really talking about was his tax plan.

I'd watch more cable news if I wasn't sure someone was going to insult my intelligence within a minute of tuning in.

[The Fake Shemp]

I would just like an anchorman or anchorwoman that challenged talking heads on these ludicrous points or when they don't answer the question.  For BOTH sides!

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Fox News

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[Phoenix Dark]

I would just like an anchorman or anchorwoman that challenged talking heads on these ludicrous points or when they don't answer the question.  For BOTH sides!

anchor: why isn't McCain talking about the economy?
talking head: people want to know they can spend money without being bombed, which is what William Ayers did lawl
anchor: but about the economy, that has...there's no connection
talking head: speaking of connections, we don't know the full story on Obama's ties with Ayers and other terrorists
anchor: i guess we'll have to leave it at that!

[Phoenix Dark]

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"he's an arab" woman interview

[TVC15]

She should have her fucking head sawed off.  She got her damning info from e-mail forwards!

[duckman2000]

"Sent me more things about Obama"

I bet the collection of nutter email that I have here is pretty much the extent of what she has been sent. 

[TakingBackSunday]

Bahaha McCain being awesome there

[TVC15]

"Sent me more things about Obama"

I bet the collection of nutter email that I have here is pretty much the extent of what she has been sent. 

"HE WAS SWORN INTO OFFICE ON A QURAN!"

[duckman2000]

I shit you not, that was a serious talking point at a recent gathering of my wife's family.   

I'm telling you, if you guys come up with something good, I can get the message inserted straight into the email stream of the Christian right.

[Phoenix Dark]

That's an ideology so ingrained that no facts or logic could persuade over wise. I have no idea what's going to happen if Obama wins the presidency but it might not be pretty in some places. Racism will never disappear from society, especially one like the United States, but we've come a long way. There are people from my grandparent's generation and from this woman's generation who will never let go of their own racial prejudices.

My grandma (on my dad's side) washed laundry outside a laundry mat because the owners didn't want her working inside; she's got horrible arthritis in her hands today due to that. I don't think she's racist but she definitely houses some prejudices that would seem disturbing to the average person today. The fact that she's lived long enough to come this close to seeing a black man elected president is amazing to me; words can't describe it. Even if Obama loses he's come so far that it's definitely a huge accomplishment.

[The Fake Shemp]

I'm telling you, if you guys come up with something good, I can get the message inserted straight into the email stream of the Christian right

Here's one:

Bill Ayers and Barack Obama selected only gay radicals for school scholarships.

[Mandark]

I would just like an anchorman or anchorwoman that challenged talking heads on these ludicrous points or when they don't answer the question.  For BOTH sides!

That would be nice, wouldn't it?  In general, a TV news industry dedicated to informing people would be pretty sweet.  Why it won't happen:

1) They're terrified of seeming partisan, so there's a lot of pressure to challenge each side by the same amount.  Which gives politicians an incentive to be dishonest, because they'll either skate on it, or your more honest opponent will get challenged on his claims as much as you, and give the impression that you're equally forthcoming.

2) News anchors and even reporters aren't terribly well-versed on the nuts and bolts of the issues which become the subject of political arguments, so there are a lot of topics where they aren't well-equipped to step in and spot BS.  That's because...

3) Cable news is geared towards the medium.  They want conflict, visuals, and noise.  That's why there's such a huge focus on the story-of-the-day, and why that story always seems to involve one person saying something mean about another.  Think of the political media like the sports media where PTI, Around The Horn, First and Ten, and Rome is Burning rehash the exact same story about TO's latest quote for hours on end.

[Flannel Boy]

Think of the political media like the sports media where PTI, Around The Horn, First and Ten, and Rome is Burning rehash the exact same story about TO's latest quote for hours on end.

Man, I wish they'd stop doing that shit.

[Mandark]

Quote the one part which I re-wrote and left a grammatical error, why don't you?  Jerk.

[brawndolicious]

women like that working in a like-minded McCain headquarters is why I expect a hezbollahish  redneck movement in the next couple years.  of course, McCain will lose so this is why I expect Republicans to get crazier.

[duckman2000]

1) They're terrified of seeming partisan

At some point, though, these candidates are going to make it impossible to remain objective. I mean, how much complete garbage can you cover before you feel obligated to report on its stink? Similarly to how I believe that respect should be something constantly earned as opposed to an unquestionable birthright, I believe that the tone of the reporting should dynamically change depending on whether the campaign policy and commentary is respectful or insulting to other candidates as well as to the intellect of media and the people.

[Brehvolution]

I guess the only beacon of hope is that all the old racists won't be around too much longer.

[Mandark]

I mean, how much complete garbage can you cover before you feel obligated to report on its stink?

That's part of what happened this campaign.  McCain's camp was shoveling so much obvious BS that it became hard to ignore.

Plus they kept it up (especially the Bridge to Nowhere lie) after they had been repeatedly called out on it.  Nothing gets the media's ire up like being ignored.  You can lie all you want, as long as you back off the lie when they run a fact check item on it, and you won't get a reputation as a liar.  If you repeat it, then you're dismissing their role and that's when they bite back.

I do think the media should strive for objectivity.  But "objectivity" to me means verifiable facts and actual expert analysis, rather than saying "well, both sides have a point" every time.  It shouldn't be that hard.

[duckman2000]

I do think the media should strive for objectivity.  But "objectivity" to me means verifiable facts and actual expert analysis, rather than saying "well, both sides have a point" every time.  It shouldn't be that hard.

I guess that's what I'm looking for, objective journalism but based on the facts of the matter. There's absolutely nothing objective about pretending that the two are on equal footing right now. I'd by no means argue that Obama is at all flawless, but one of the candidates is running a dirtier, more desperate, less substantial and honestly more hostile campaign than the other. I guess that fear of perceived bias is really strong enough to steamroll fairness and reason.

[Mandark]

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Sarah Palin is introduced at a Flyers game in Philadelphia, a very Democratic city with famously hostile sports crowds.

Maybe, in their blithe ignorance of the local culture, they expected her to be welcomed as a liberator, not an occupier asshole.

[duckman2000]

 

[Flannel Boy]

I don't know, it sounded like "boo-urns" to me.


By the way, what was she doing actually? She dropped the puck for a photo and not to start the actual game?

That's how they always do ceremonial puck drops; otherwise, the play would start and she'd be at risk of getting hit.

[Mandark]

It's like the ceremonial first pitch in a baseball game.

[Human Snorenado]

I do think the media should strive for objectivity.  But "objectivity" to me means verifiable facts and actual expert analysis, rather than saying "well, both sides have a point" every time.  It shouldn't be that hard.

I guess that's what I'm looking for, objective journalism but based on the facts of the matter. There's absolutely nothing objective about pretending that the two are on equal footing right now. I'd by no means argue that Obama is at all flawless, but one of the candidates is running a dirtier, more desperate, less substantial and honestly more hostile campaign than the other. I guess that fear of perceived bias is really strong enough to steamroll fairness and reason.

Hunter S. Thompson hit this nail on the head years and years ago, in one of the last good pieces he ever wrote- his eulogy for Nixon.

Some people will say that words like scum and rotten are wrong for Objective Journalism -- which is true, but they miss the point. It was the built-in blind spots of the Objective rules and dogma that allowed Nixon to slither into the White House in the first place. He looked so good on paper that you could almost vote for him sight unseen. He seemed so all-American, so much like Horatio Alger, that he was able to slip through the cracks of Objective Journalism. You had to get Subjective to see Nixon clearly, and the shock of recognition was often painful.

This was the essence of the thing that got me hit with the ban-hammer at gaf.  I find life too short to go around pretending that someone isn't a massive, disgusting waste of flesh and air and I'll say it when I feel like it.  The Amirox Fairness Doctrine in poli-gaf was anathema to actual honest discussion.  If someone is being stupid or dishonest you should have the right to insult them.

[Brehvolution]

What does it say about news organization when the Daily Show and Colbert Report are becoming more and more credible than Fox news.

Fox news = "I reject your reality and substitute my own."

[Boogie]

This was the essence of the thing that got me hit with the ban-hammer at gaf.  I find life too short to go around pretending that someone isn't a massive, disgusting waste of flesh and air and I'll say it when I feel like it.  The Amirox Fairness Doctrine in poli-gaf was anathema to actual honest discussion.  If someone is being stupid or dishonest you should have the right to insult them.

That's been my posting philosophy at GAF for years now.  Unlike you, however, I seem to be immune from bannings.  (okay, in truth, I'm just an order of magnitude less abrasive than you.  But I still have people who occassionally bitch at me for saying mean things about them)

[Mandark]

This was the essence of the thing that got me hit with the ban-hammer at gaf.  I find life too short to go around pretending that someone isn't a massive, disgusting waste of flesh and air and I'll say it when I feel like it.  The Amirox Fairness Doctrine in poli-gaf was anathema to actual honest discussion.  If someone is being stupid or dishonest you should have the right to insult them.

That's been my posting philosophy at GAF for years now.  Unlike you, however, I seem to be immune from bannings.  (okay, in truth, I'm just an order of magnitude less abrasive than you.  But I still have people who occassionally bitch at me for saying mean things about them)

I de-adminned myself in large part because I wanted to reserve the right to flame people and couldn't very well ban anyone, even for obvious offenses, without being a giant hypocrite.  I figured I'd have enough forum capital built up to be exempted myself, which seems true so far.  I mean, look at my posts in the Ask a Conservative thread.


But back on topic!

A piece comparing the McCain campaign to the last days of the Dole campaign.  Hostile crowds jeering the media, campaign staff willing to tell ridiculous lies, etc.

[Human Snorenado]

I guess my main mistake was in taking on the House.  The House always wins.  If I had continued to just flame regular old members I probably would have just kept getting week long bans or whatever.  But when you call a moderator a great big blubbering vag there's really only one outcome, even if the moderator is in fact a great big blubbering vag.  I mean, who can forget the "I beat up my mom because she wouldn't let me watch South Park" thread? 

[Boogie]

I guess my main mistake was in taking on the House.  The House always wins.  If I had continued to just flame regular old members I probably would have just kept getting week long bans or whatever.  But when you call a moderator a great big blubbering vag there's really only one outcome, even if the moderator is in fact a great big blubbering vag.  I mean, who can forget the "I beat up my mom because she wouldn't let me watch South Park" thread? 

Amirox's defining moment.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I am not immune to bans unfortunately.  I'm sitting down on a three month ban, which frankly is too long for me to give a fuck about GAF anymore.

Oh and I agree with the complaints about the objective media stance.  I think a lot of it though has more to do with not pissing off advertisers or audiences, which will drive down the placement ad prices, creating a financial loss for the company.

[The Fake Shemp]

Amirox beat up his mom?

[brawndolicious]

wtf would he then make a thread about it?  a rational person would try to get that expunged from their record or something and never tell anybody about it.  much less random people on the internet.

[Mandark]

Yikes!  I've abetted a derailment.  Let's get back on track people!

Uh... there's a rumor that McCain's going to unveil a new economic relief plan aimed at voters rather than financial institutions through the use of capital gains and dividend cuts.  That's interesting, right?

[The Fake Shemp]

Once again, the McCain campaign is trying to distract us with political rhetoric that doesn't have anything to do with the issues - which is, seriously, Amriox beat up his mom?

[Human Snorenado]

I can't search threads since I'm banned for all eternity, but if you click on amirox's user profile and search "threads started by" it should be in there.  It's probably about two years old though.  If I can remember, his mother interrupted his South Park viewing and they got into an argument, she hit him and he "grabbed her arms and restrained her" after which his mother called the police on him.  He then insulted the police officers (smart move!) and had to go to jail or something. 

He's a real fucking idiot and it's a shame that he's a Democrat.

[Crushed]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148456

Apparently it runs in the family:
My brother is going to jail... AGAIN
Remember my brother? Now he's facing CHILD PORN charges.


EDIT: Holy shit from the first brother thread:

My mother has lupus and rheumatoid arthritis so she has always been in excrutiating pain all her life.  Would you believe that my brother would regular hit her as a teenager, and also tried to push her down the stairs?

[Mandark]

It's not like he's actually a liberal or anything.  Like a ton of posters at GAF, he's with it enough to realize that Bush sucks, doesn't really hate gay people, and got swept up in the Obama love.

Remember when the Iraq war started?  There were a ton of hawkish posters on that iteration of GAF (gamesquad.net?) and the war thread was mostly a lot of "OMG look at this awesome hi-tech weaponry on CNN!"

My favorite quote of his in particular was that he had visited DC and toured the Capitol and he was "now more excited about politics than ever."  There's a funny/sad/scary level of dedication to the campaign with very little thought towards the real world consequences happening there.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

What a trainwreck.

[brawndolicious]

That's why I respect people more when they say that they're a socialist or something.  Because then you know they're a real fucking socialist and not just somebody who watches the daily show.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Everyone on GAF thinks they are Jon Stewart or Steven Colbert

[Boogie]

Remember when the Iraq war started?  There were a ton of hawkish posters on that iteration of GAF (gamesquad.net?) and the war thread was mostly a lot of "OMG look at this awesome hi-tech weaponry on CNN!"

 

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[Flannel Boy]

That's why I respect people more when they say that they're a socialist or something.  Because then you know they're a real fucking socialist and not just somebody who watches the daily show.

* Night Man groans

[brawndolicious]

oh I also respect anarchists, of course.

oh fuck, I passed 10,000.  I have no life.

[laesperanzapaz]

^ what was your ID at neogaf, nintenho??

[Flannel Boy]

oh I also respect anarchists, of course.

oh fuck, I passed 10,000.  I have no life.

Anarchy is about as incoherent as you are. Although, to be fair, anarchy sometimes seems to make sense. 

[brawndolicious]

^What I'm saying is that you'll know that somebody with those beliefs feels very strongly about it and isn't jacking off to john stewart every evening.

^ what was your ID at neogaf, nintenho??

I never posted there.  Like 3 years ago, I hassled a lot of people with PMs before my account was activated and so my account was deleted.  I think I'm the reason why unactivated accounts can't send pm's anymore.  For some reason, they activate new accounts only like every 3 months so I was wondering why I couldn't post after a couple weeks, but I'll make a new account there just to see how long I can troll somebody.

[recursivelyenumerable]

Because then you know they're a real fucking socialist and not just somebody who watches the daily show.

yeah, uh, not really

[brawndolicious]

Because then you know they're a real fucking socialist and not just somebody who watches the daily show.

yeah, uh, not really

Most people choose their political views based on their geographical location or whichever comedian has the highest ratings so socialists or anarchists sort of won't be affected by those factors.

[Phoenix Dark]

Halperin's new top 5

1. Bill Clinton

2. Hillary Clinton

3. McCain sunny alter ego Mark Salter

4. McCain economic adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin

5. Cindy McCain

Cindy McCain? What? WHAT