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Was there a new SNL Presidential/Vice Presidential sketch made yesterday? They've been surprisingly good as of late.

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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #2941 on: October 12, 2008, 06:20:50 PM »
Great post on Daily Kos

"We could lose, I suppose, if they cheat us out of it" and Other Tales of Republican Delusion
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/12/83238/044/321/628179

Every four years the republican party attacks the democratic nominee as "out of touch" with "mainstream America." This strategy has been pretty effective (outside of Clinton) and now is being used more than it ever has. I don't have cable but I've been watching some Fox News online, and listening to some right wing radio. It's pretty clear that the GOP is readying itself for a blowout loss and plans on accusing the democrats of fraud. Afterall as the article says, if the country is truly pre-dominantly conservative, the victory of the "most liberal senator in the country" would seem like an outlier occurrence.

It's a shame the Obama campaign hasn't taken an aggressive, factual stance against the anti-Acorn hysteria being propagated by Fox and the McCain campaign. As Ben Smith points out

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    The key distinction here is between voter fraud and voter registration fraud, one of which is truly dangerous, the other a petty crime.

    The former would be, say, voting the cemeteries or stuffing the ballot boxes. This has happened occasionally in American history, though I can think of recent instances only in rare local races. Practically speaking, this can most easily be done by whoever is actually administering the election, which is why partisan observers carefully oversee the vote-counting process.

    The latter is putting the names of fake voters on the rolls, something that happens primarily when organizations, like Acorn, pay contractors for new voter registrations. That can be a crime, and it messes up the voter files, but there's virtually no evidence these imaginary people then vote in November. The current stories about Acorn don't even allege a plan to affect the November vote
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I can register to vote 100 times but my vote will only be counted once. I can register Micky Mouse to vote, but since he doesn't exist he cannot physically vote. Such a simple exercise of critical thinking right?

When I was homeschooled my history book described Bill Clinton's presidency as a moral/social dark spot in American history, but this was prefaced by arguments that Clinton squeaked into office thanks to third party votes; after all, as the author argued, Clinton failed to receive 50% of the vote, therefore he really wasn't the dominant choice of most Americans. Interestingly this was an older history book, and didn't cover the 2000 elections; I wonder what it would have to say about Gore's popular vote victory. Clinton won the popular vote by a good margin, but it was a pretty convincing blowout in terms of what matters: the electoral vote.

If Obama pulls off a 330-360 EC thubbin' I wonder what the spin will be

1. John McCain ran a horrible campaign and wasn't a true conservative. If he told the American people about Wright he would have won
2. Obama benefited from voter fraud in every battleground state
3. Christian Conservatives stayed home like in 2000. If they came out in full force like in 2004, McCain would have won

Hm, I'm going to pull a Palin and choose all of the above

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Was there a new SNL Presidential/Vice Presidential sketch made yesterday? They've been surprisingly good as of late.

it was a repeat because thurs was the special episode
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The right wing is probably going to go with that the average voter was tricked by B. Hussein Obama's lies and that virtually every law, conspired by black radicals, communists, and Jewish bankers was broken to achieve that victory.  Given how polarized the far right is these days, they're going to end up whining and bitching the whole time during Obama's term(s).  Much like Clinton but even less justified.  It is why I call them the Butthurt Right.  We'll see some levels of bitching and whining that has never been done before by the right wing.  Even if Obama miraculously sends the Dow surging to 15,000 and all economic problems wiped away in a month, the butthurt right will still be there kicking and screaming the entire way.

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Hey guys, did I miss anything over the weekend? I bought a Sunday paper for the drive home today and saw that the Troopergate report was released late Friday evening. Has anything come of it yet?

Palin was found guilty of overstepping her bounds but not enough for a criminal trial.  Predictably, the media hasn't picked up on it yet but the media generally is dismissive of Palin so I don't expect it to gain much traction.
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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #2946 on: October 12, 2008, 09:46:05 PM »
I hope Fox streams their election coverage on November 4th. We could know pretty early whether Obama is cruising to a victory - Ohio, NC, Penn, and Virginia are all EST. If he pulls off either NC, Ohio or Virginia around 11PM it's a done deal.

It'll be so interesting watching how Fox handles an Obama landslide. If it happens of course
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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #2947 on: October 12, 2008, 09:49:32 PM »
I hope Fox streams their election coverage on November 4th. We could know pretty early whether Obama is cruising to a victory - Ohio, NC, Penn, and Virginia are all EST. If he pulls off either NC, Ohio or Virginia around 11PM it's a done deal.

It'll be so interesting watching how Fox handles an Obama landslide. If it happens of course

If Obama wins, I plan on listening to right-wing talk radio all day at work. I remember listening to Rush back in 2006 when the Democrats won the elections, it was highly entertaining.
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I guess my main mistake was in taking on the House.  The House always wins.  If I had continued to just flame regular old members I probably would have just kept getting week long bans or whatever.  But when you call a moderator a great big blubbering vag there's really only one outcome, even if the moderator is in fact a great big blubbering vag.  I mean, who can forget the "I beat up my mom because she wouldn't let me watch South Park" thread? 

Actually, your big mistake was making a thread calling out Amirox on the same day that someone else did the same thing (and got permabanned for it) :p  I think you'd still be there if not for that.
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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #2949 on: October 12, 2008, 10:01:56 PM »
Calling out the mods ain't never a good idea. I'm still alive there (well I'm currently banned, but temporarily) because I know how to play the game. smh Triumph, you thought you were bigger than the game

I'm finding it hard to concentrate on school now. Jeez November 4th needs to get here soon.
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I guess my main mistake was in taking on the House.  The House always wins.  If I had continued to just flame regular old members I probably would have just kept getting week long bans or whatever.  But when you call a moderator a great big blubbering vag there's really only one outcome, even if the moderator is in fact a great big blubbering vag.  I mean, who can forget the "I beat up my mom because she wouldn't let me watch South Park" thread? 

Actually, your big mistake was making a thread calling out Amirox on the same day that someone else did the same thing (and got permabanned for it) :p  I think you'd still be there if not for that.

Huh, I didn't even know that.  I hadn't really been paying much attention to GAF at that point due to the fact that the poligaf threads started sucking after the primaries, and then amirox went and made the "don't be mean to Caribou Barbie" rule and that was all I saw, so off the deep end I went.  Oh well, life goes on.  I don't really care if I ever post there again or whatever, but if I were Evilore I don't know how I could sleep at night knowing that amirox moderated my forum.
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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #2951 on: October 12, 2008, 11:07:01 PM »
I hope Fox streams their election coverage on November 4th. We could know pretty early whether Obama is cruising to a victory - Ohio, NC, Penn, and Virginia are all EST. If he pulls off either NC, Ohio or Virginia around 11PM it's a done deal.

It'll be so interesting watching how Fox handles an Obama landslide. If it happens of course
What do you mean? They will continue on the their course of credibility and show how McCain wins in a landslide. Then the next morning, when the smoke clears, they will go all ACORN.
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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #2952 on: October 12, 2008, 11:07:47 PM »
Calling out the mods ain't never a good idea. I'm still alive there (well I'm currently banned, but temporarily) because I know how to play the game. smh Triumph, you thought you were bigger than the game

I'm finding it hard to concentrate on school now. Jeez November 4th needs to get here soon.

One thing I've noticed about school: being a first semester freshman is one of the most boring periods of time for school I've ever encountered.  I'm literally cruising through my classes with high A's, and thats with near 6 skipped classes.
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I have a huge exam on the 25th that I'm procrastinating on.

This will be the start of the new week and Week 2 of the insane attack ads.  I think McCain will be giving them up.  I don't think he is liking the responses of the people that like his new strategy.  I don't expect him to drop the attack ads altogether but I think his new focus will be on his new economic plan, which he will try to roll out for the debate this week.

This is McCain's last chance for viability.  The Democrats have won 3 out of 4 debates and if the 4th one goes to Obama, McCain is done.  If the attack ads and his new economic plan fail to get attention, I don't honestly see what he has anymore.  I don't expect him to go the full racist route, I expect him to fizzle out and run a mixture of foreign policy, attack ads, and his new economic plan.  I do expect the right wing media to pick up on that slack and keep trying to hammer Obama on his "terrorist" connections.  Giving props when due, the right wing media is very good at creating fear and paranoia about the other candidate.  Obama/Biden may win all the debates but from now on, Obama's focus will end up being how to work around and beat down the accusations.

If McCain wins or there is a draw, I expect the momentum to begin working in his favor, stopping Obama's momentum and moving things more towards the GOP.  I still think most moderates want to find reasons not to vote for Obama and until this new economic plan, they haven't really found one.  If this new plan gains traction from the voters, the racist moderates can say, "Well, I didn't vote for McCain because Obama is black.  I just think he had a better economic plan."  This will effectively neutralize all of Obama's gains, with McCain's plan plus the terrorist accusations.  It will give a lot of people incentive to not vote for Obama and I think that is what will happen, assuming the public prefers McCain's plan.

All IMO of course.  Obama will pick up West Virginia and maybe Indiana this week.  An outside chance that he may nab Montana and the Omaha Electoral Vote.  McCain will be gaining nothing.
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Personally, I'm of the opinion that the results will be so across the board BAD for Republicans on the 4th that there will be no way of spinning it.  If the Dems pick up 31 seats in the House (which is not impossible, but will be tough) they will have a 100 seat edge in the House.  100 seats.  If they manage to win at least 9 Senate seats they'll have a 60 seat super majority that will allow them override filibusters.  If the election were held today there are 5 seats that they'll win easily (VA, NM, CO, NH and NC), two that they'll probably win (OR and AK), one in Minnesota that is a toss-up but leaning Dem, and competitive races in MS, KY and GA.  If they win the 7 they're supposed to, the one in Minnesota and just ONE of the other three, they get to 60 with Lieberman.  It would be sweet to win 2 of 3 in the ones that lean GOP and allow us to get rid of Lieberman after his traitorous behavior, tho.

The carnage will be plentiful on the 4th.  The reactions on Faux News and the conservative blogosphere will be delicious.  At first there will be shock, and then will come the excuses.  "McCain was a crappy candidate and was never a real conservative anyhow."  "The damn Librul Media was totally in the tank for Obama."  "McCain should have been more negative!"  "ACORN!  Voter fraud screwed us over!"  (that one will be my personal favorite after the thefts in 2000 and 2004, by the way)  Here's a list of what they won't blame:  Sarah Palin turning off moderates and independents, the past 8 years, George W. Bush, and general Republican philosophy.  About the only thing they might have to hang their hats on would be if the Mormons are able to spend enough to pass Prop 8 in Cali. 
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It will be sweet.  I'll be watching nothing but Faux News and listening to right wing hate radio the following week.

The butthurt right will throw temper tantrums and I'll be there to laugh my ass off at it.
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It will be sweet.  I'll be watching nothing but Faux News and listening to right wing hate radio the following week.

The butthurt right will throw temper tantrums and I'll be there to laugh my ass off at it.

I remember after 2006 Rush was almost crying the next day.  Something to the effect of "I'm done carrying water for these guys if they're gonna lose!"  Hopefully someone will work themselves up enough on air to have an actual heart attack on the radio/tv.  I'm not usually mean but I think most people can agree that the world would be a better place without Rush or Hannity.
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I fully expect McCain's economic plan to be "Vote for me and get $5,000. The way I will afford giving American citizen $5,000 is a secret I will reveal after I am elected."

I'm worried about Prop 8 in Cali - the Mormons are going psycho and outspending a ridiculous amount. Gavin Newsom is also running his mouth off like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. I figured it was an easy win for No but it looks like it's gonna be despairingly tough.
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Maybe Rush, traumatized from the 4th, will pop some Viagra and have a heart attack.

He will die the way he lived: a fat hard on.
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but what if mccain wins
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but what if mccain wins

Not even McCain thinks he can win anymore.
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McCain won't win.  Worst case scenario is that the attack ads + new economic policy will kill most of Obama's gains but give him a narrow victory, reminiscent of 2000 and 2004, as opposed to a blowout, which I think will wind up happening.  If Obama were to manage to get through foreign policy and town hall debates, McCain's strong points (lol), I think he will do just fine this week and the remaining three weeks.

Although if the economy didn't go in the shitter like it is now, it would probably be a very tight, competitive race right now.
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I don't get why people, in the media and elsewhere, are still saying that McCain has the upper edge in foreign policy. He's shown no competency whatsoever in dealing with evolving situations, shows the least interest in acting as mediator and leader to solve conflicts after or before they happen, and doesn't seem receptive to any measure of diplomacy other than "attack," as was made obvious by his insistence that Obama had expressed a desire to attack Pakistan. The man is a walking blunder with no strong points.

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Oh snapple.  I was just reading an article and guess what it said?

McCain is showing to do a townhall tomorrow in my town of Wilmington, NC. 

Oh hell.  Oh hell naw.  Looks like I'm calling the local McCain office tomorrow to see if there are still tickets left.  I sure hope so.  Man I hope I get called on to ask a question.
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This seems like a lot of big talk from the Obama die-hards, considering how far away the elections are.  If McCain's economic plan gets traction, it could easily reverse everything.  Not that I'd want that to happen or anything.


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Obama's foreign policy scares me. It's just as bad if not worse than McCain's. I really wish there was a viable third party candidate this year; I don't feel comfortable voting for either Obamo or McCain.

If only they would learn from George W. Bush

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This seems like a lot of big talk from the Obama die-hards, considering how far away the elections are.  If McCain's economic plan gets traction, it could easily reverse everything.  Not that I'd want that to happen or anything.

normally I would agree, but at this point, I think people are understandably wary about anything coming out of the McCain campain. they've thrown like seven Hail Mary passes, why should we believe the eighth time's the charm? McCain has low, low, low fundamentals and people are naturally inclined not to trust anything he says.
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It's not just that Obama is ahead in the national polls by so much and that no one has come back from such a deficit at this point in the game.  If you look at the electoral map, Obama is going to win the Kerry states + Iowa and New Mexico.  That puts him at 264 electoral votes.  You only need 270.  Right now, this is how the rest of the "swing states" look:

McCain +6.8%: Leaning Republican (GA)
Obama +5.1%: Battleground state (VA)
Obama +4.0%: Battleground state (CO)
McCain +3.8%: Leaning Republican (IN)
Obama +3.5%: Battleground state (OH)
Obama +3.1%: Battleground state (FL)
Obama +3.0%: Battleground state (NV)
McCain +2.2%: Leaning Republican (WV)

All Obama has to do is win ONE of those states.  Even Nevada would put him in a 269-269 tie and throw the election to the House, where Obama would win.  But there's pretty much no way McCain runs the table.
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did you notice how the states where Obama is ahead are "battleground states" while the ones where McCain are ahead are "leaning Republican"

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Obama's foreign policy scares me. It's just as bad if not worse than McCain's. I really wish there was a viable third party candidate this year; I don't feel comfortable voting for either Obamo or McCain.

Man you crazy.

I'm significantly more lefty/peacenik than Obama is but there's a lot to like in his approach to foriegn affairs.

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did you notice how the states where Obama is ahead are "battleground states" while the ones where McCain are ahead are "leaning Republican"

:eyeroll
Just another example of Triumph's flagrant pro-Republican bias.

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Was there a new SNL Presidential/Vice Presidential sketch made yesterday? They've been surprisingly good as of late.

it was a repeat because thurs was the special episode

Aw, dang. :/

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oh man, Free Republic is AWESOME already.  http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2104253/posts

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Does this mean that the McCain camp, talk radio and conservatives generally shouldn't bother exposing these things? Not at all. The truth is the truth, and needs to be told.

Rush Limbaugh in particular infuriates me!!! The one guy with the most power to educate his listeners has been stone cold **silent** about Marxism for YEARS!!!!

In the past few weeks he may have uttered the word Marxist or Stalinist once or twice, but he should have been hammering this YEARS ago.

Marxism is our nation's **MOST** serious threat. Rush Limbuagh hasn't been at the leading letting his listeners know it.

Last month I painted 4 rooms of my house. I listened to every program of Rush for solid MONTH. Some programs more than once. Not one time did I hear Rush Limbaugh use the word Marxism or communism. NOT one time did I hear him talk about Obama or Ayers COMMUNIST philosophy or connections.
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if it's like this now, I'm getting all tingly even imagining what it'll be like after an Obama victory.

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You guys,,, this is a must win. Obama isn’t a normal opponent, he is the end of Freedom as we know it,, or the beginning of some form of civil war to preserve freedom.

Stopping him involves US voting, even if McCain isn’t our dream candidate.
It ALSO involves us convincing many many middle of the road morons to join us. The ones who vote for whoever “seems nicest”. These people just started hearing about the election a week or two ago.

Theres the way things ought to be, and the way things actually are. Good for McCain for going on the show.
Let Sarah attack,, John be agreeable.

BTW,,, the world is waiting for a McCain tantrum so they can crucify him on the famous temper thing.

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the spittle-evoking punctuation is really a nice touch
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Wasn't there some drama at freerepublic during the primaries?  Not Ron Paul stuff, but involving supporters of one or more of the mainstream candidates?

...Wikipedia says that Giuliani supporters claimed they were being treated unfairly.  I think the founder took sides in Bush/McCain back in 2000, too.

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Fred Thompson was their knight in shining armor IIRC

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Sometimes the only way to expose enemy positions is to have someone go in and get shot at. IIRC, this was done to expose SAM sites during the Vietnam War. McCain is taking fire to expose the enemy. Hopefully America is paying attention.

As long as he can remain gracious under fire, he deflects the ‘temper’ thingy. Improtant, that.

If Obambam cannot remain equally gracious, and IF it gets airtime, McCain wins.

If I were to expect the press to air anything negative about Obambi, I really should drive back to town 60 miles through ice, snow, mud, and slush to get a Powerball ticket, and see which pays off first...

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could someone help me wrap my head around this metaphor (for going on Letterman)?
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wow, I didn't realize Bill Ayers had a blog.  the comments pages are pretty cool.

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The Weather Underground were a bunch of whiny rich kids playing at terrorism. Every time I read about those stupid pricks blowing themsleves up in their failed [well, successful from where I stand] bombmaking enterprise I get a warm and fuzzy feeling deep down inside.

DEATH TO ALL MARXIST TRAITORS!
We need an American Freikorps to do to Nancy Pelosi and Obama what the Freikorps did to Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht.

I give him props for a relatively sophisticated allusion, enough for me to suspect a meta-troll
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Despite signals that Senator John McCain would have new prescriptions for the economic crisis after a weekend of meetings, his campaign said Sunday that Mr. McCain, the Republican presidential nominee, would not have any more proposals this week unless developments call for some.

The signs of internal confusion came as the campaign was under pressure from state party leaders to sharpen his message on the economy and at least blunt the advantage that Democrats traditionally have on the issue in hard times. Republicans have grown fretful as Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, has edged ahead in polls three weeks before the election, while Mr. McCain has veered between ill-received economic plans and attacks on Mr. Obama's character.
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Obama's foreign policy scares me. It's just as bad if not worse than McCain's. I really wish there was a viable third party candidate this year; I don't feel comfortable voting for either Obamo or McCain.

If only they would learn from George W. Bush

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bwahahaha

Friday McCain Camp: WE HAVE A CRACKERJACK NEW ECON PLAN WATCH YER ASS OBAMA

Monday McCain Camp: OK OK- WE DONT HAVE A NEW ECON PLAN, BUT MCCAIN IS THE UNDERDOG! THE PERSON LOSING SHOULD WIN! VOTE FOR MCCAIN!
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"The theme is the new direction that Sen. McCain will take the country through his specific plans for creating jobs, helping those nearing retirement, keeping people in their homes and curbing spending," the aide said.

Creating Jobs: aka McCainspeak: GROWING JOBS & ECONOMY- Never have had specifics on this- aside from reinforcing trickle down

Helping those near retirement: aka McCain's attempt to make nice with Florida once they figured out what he's doing to healthcare- unless he changes his policy completely, expect no change

Keeping people in their homes: We heard about this little gem in the second debate

Curbing Spending: Expect to hear about earmarks and overhead projectors (aka PLANETARIUM PROJECTORS) which account for very little of our national debt.

The only thing new from this speech will be him pretending that because he is the underdog people should vote for him. He'll probably mention being a POW, tell a story about potato salad from a Vietnam Vet's picnic, and then accuse an 8 year old Obama of participating in anti govt activities.
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"Over the weekend, John McCain's campaign leaked word he would release a major new economic policy aimed at the middle class. It later ended up to be aimed at investors."

reminds me of an earlier snafu by McCain where instead of talking about protecting people's homes, he talked about protecting their "housing investments."
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obama hittin' mccain where it hurts
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obama hittin' mccain where it hurts
Right in the issues.
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« Reply #2990 on: October 13, 2008, 01:22:56 PM »
Holy shit, McCain has no new economic plan?

To be honest, I thought that he would come up with one, mostly cribbing from Obama's, to then present in the debate where it is his only hope to remain somewhat viable.

If he has nothing, McCain has no chance.  Although I will be shocked if he actually reveals those "specific plans" or if it is just going to be more vague bullshit.
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I cant imagine how their econ pow wow went on sunday lol
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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #2992 on: October 13, 2008, 01:36:35 PM »
http://drudgereport.com/  :lol

I knew Drudge would use "that" picture. Protect the white womenz
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McCain and Palin are bumping heads on issue of negative campaigning.  Guess who wants to stay on the offensive?

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Palin’s frustration with McCain has led to clashes over strategy. When she learnt he was pulling resources from Michigan, an industrial swing state leaning heavily in Obama’s favour, she fired off an e-mail saying, “Oh come on, do we have to?” and offered to travel there with her husband Todd, four-times winner of the 2,000-mile Iron Dog snow-mobile race.

She also told Bill Kristol, the conservative New York Times columnist, that she wished the campaign would make more of Obama’s 20-year association with the Rev Jeremiah Wright, his controversial former pastor, who said, “God damn America”.

“To me, that does say something about character,” Palin said. “But you know, I guess that would be a John McCain call on whether he wants to bring it up.”
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Dudes, has it occurred to anyone that McCain NEVER had a plan? He was simply going to continue Bush's.
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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #2995 on: October 13, 2008, 01:41:45 PM »
McCain and Palin are bumping heads on issue of negative campaigning.  Guess who wants to stay on the offensive?

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Palin’s frustration with McCain has led to clashes over strategy. When she learnt he was pulling resources from Michigan, an industrial swing state leaning heavily in Obama’s favour, she fired off an e-mail saying, “Oh come on, do we have to?” and offered to travel there with her husband Todd, four-times winner of the 2,000-mile Iron Dog snow-mobile race.

She also told Bill Kristol, the conservative New York Times columnist, that she wished the campaign would make more of Obama’s 20-year association with the Rev Jeremiah Wright, his controversial former pastor, who said, “God damn America”.

“To me, that does say something about character,” Palin said. “But you know, I guess that would be a John McCain call on whether he wants to bring it up.”

Oh don't believe that bullshit. It such an obvious attempt to portray Palin as someone capable of forming her own opinions totally free of the McCain campaign.
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A major crux of the article is that she's ingratiating herself to the elements of the party that WANT those attacks going on, to better position herself for a 2012 run.  STOOPID MAURICE.
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Re: Evilbore's Presidential Election Thread --Its the Final COUNTDOWN Ba da ba b
« Reply #2997 on: October 13, 2008, 01:59:11 PM »
I'd believe that part if McCain wasn't such a failure. He does what his campaign tells him to do 90% of the time. That 10% probably includes McCain refusing to play along with the A-rab lady and refusing (or did he simply forget) to bring up Ayers at the debate.

MO poll from SurveryUSA

Obama 51
McCain 43

waaat


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looks like drudge's narrative takes another hit  :lol
« Last Edit: October 13, 2008, 02:00:42 PM by Thanks But No Thanks »
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I don't think their strategy runs that deep. It seems to me as if they are trying to create the illusion of there being a minor split between the two to keep McCain separate from the hate campaign. I don't think people are stupid enough to buy into that.

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http://www.barackobama.com/live/

barack's talkin about his new plan right now
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