Resistance 2 Thread

[duckman2000]

Fuck. I saw the 9.5 on IGN, and I was ready to go out and buy this one, but the last few pages in this thread have been almost universally negative. 

To be fair, this is Evilbore.

[WrikaWrek]

Campaign sucks, just like the 1st one.

Will wait for Killzone 2. That one looks gud.

[duckman2000]

ha ha, I told y'all that R2's review texts didn't match the high scores. 

Realistically, I don't think this deserves the praise it has gotten. But the genre just plain isn't as grand as its reputation suggests, so the game is being scored inline with the many inflated scores of past games in the same genre. Hell, considering where the game's MP stands in relation to the genre standards, it might even seem underrated.

[duckman2000]

It's a high quality game. I think most of us here acknowledge that, but I for one don't like the kind of game it has become. Of course, if you already have a problem with the game for one reason or the other, it becomes real easy to spot other flaws.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Fuck. I saw the 9.5 on IGN, and I was ready to go out and buy this one, but the last few pages in this thread have been almost universally negative. 

To be fair, this is Evilbore.

It's strange. The last few pages of the GAF thread that I read make the game out to be better than Halo 3, Half-Life 2 and COD4 combined. I wish there was a place to rent games in my city so I could know for sure. I live in Korea right now, so I'm not sure if the multiplayer would be any good, or if it would be a total lag-fest, plus I'm more of a single player guy.

Buy Gears 2.

[Smooth Groove]

ha ha, I told y'all that R2's review texts didn't match the high scores. 

Realistically, I don't think this deserves the praise it has gotten. But the genre just plain isn't as grand as its reputation suggests, so the game is being scored inline with the many inflated scores of past games in the same genre. Hell, considering where the game's MP stands in relation to the genre standards, it might even seem underrated.

I could agree with this.  Too many reviewers gave H3 a pass for its technical problems because of its pedigree. 

Also, with MP and SP becoming such different components of a shooter, perhaps there should be two scores in review?  It would certainly be a lot more helpful for gamers. 

 

[cool breeze]

Fuck. I saw the 9.5 on IGN, and I was ready to go out and buy this one, but the last few pages in this thread have been almost universally negative. 

To be fair, this is Evilbore.

I'm someone who liked Uncharted more than Gears 1 (Gears 2 > Uncharted) and I still think the campaign is sub par. 

[y2kev]

Definitely buy Gears 2 before Resistance 2.

[duckman2000]

This level feels a lot more like Resistance, probably thanks in part to the environment. Orick was alright, at least the forest was nice looking.

[drohne]

so i went ahead and bought this -- gears has me in the mood for another shooter. i liked the first game a lot, and this can't really be as bad as everyone thinks it is...can it

[cool breeze]

uh, after playing Gears 2 first your experience might be a bit worse than ours.

[drohne]

i'm not quite as impressed with gears 2's campaign as you are -- its minigamey fifth act and sputtering conclusion kind of shot its momentum. and while the heavy scripting is impressive the first time through, there's a lot of stuff i don't want to replay. but i might play mirror's edge first as a sort of buffer

[duckman2000]

Is that MickeyKnox dude a joke character or something? The dude makes it sound like the game is a broken, unplayable pile of random bits of code. That's the kind of shit that spawns fanboys.

[Smooth Groove]

Is that MickeyKnox dude a joke character or something? The dude makes it sound like the game is a broken, unplayable pile of random bits of code. That's the kind of shit that spawns fanboys.

That's weird.  I haven't read GAF in a long time but I remember that his gimmick used to be a Sfag posing as a PC gamer. 

[drohne]

halo 3 is crazy overrated, but being halo, it still fundamentally plays well. cod4's campaign is bleh. didn't really check out the multiplayer. but it looks great, and actually some of its storytelling technique is interesting. after the first game's promise, i thought resistance 2 had an opening to be the DEFINITIVE NEXT GEN FPS, but apparently it falls way short

oh well, better to go in with diminished expectations

[cool breeze]

I somewhat agree that Halo 3 is overrated.  I mean, if that was your first Halo game then you'd probably love it and play it to death, but if you're like me (and a lot of others) you played the game twice before.  Outside of the resolution/aliasing issues, it's also a very solid looking game.

[Tieno]

My hope for R2 got shot down when I rented and played R&C Future, I had given Insomniac the benefit of the doubt due to R1 being an above average competent launch FPS and the first screenshots made it look interesting but man R&C was so disappointing. People talked about Pixar-like quality in writing and graphics but the jokes were old and overused (lol, Pirates say "aar" and "bootey"), the platforming was bare bones and the graphics had their moments but didn't cut it for me. Just like R1 it felt very uninspired, especially with the taste of the brilliant Super Mario Galaxy in my mouth. There are way better games and developers on the PS3, than Insomniac and its games. They get praised for their fast turnaround, but it shows in their lack of quality. I'd rather play 1 fantastic Insomniac game every 3 or 4 years than 1 average every year. The market is crowded enough already.

I intended to rent R2 but now I can't since renting videogames is made illegal in Belgium, but now R2 doesn't even get the praise of its predecessor I'm not really eager to play it.

[bork]

Halo 3 is the best console FPS in my opinion.  I play Halo in general mainly for the multiplayer though, pretty much like most FPS games.

[Kestastrophe]

My hope for R2 got shot down when I rented and played R&C Future, I had given Insomniac the benefit of the doubt due to R1 being an above average competent launch FPS and the first screenshots made it look interesting but man R&C was so disappointing. People talked about Pixar-like quality in writing and graphics but the jokes were old and overused (lol, Pirates say "aar" and "bootey"), the platforming was bare bones and the graphics had their moments but didn't cut it for me. Just like R1 it felt very uninspired, especially with the taste of the brilliant Super Mario Galaxy in my mouth. There are way better games and developers on the PS3, than Insomniac and its games. They get praised for their fast turnaround, but it shows in their lack of quality. I'd rather play 1 fantastic Insomniac game every 3 or 4 years than 1 average every year. The market is crowded enough already.

I intended to rent R2 but now I can't since renting videogames is made illegal in Belgium, but now R2 doesn't even get the praise of its predecessor I'm not really eager to play it.

With Going Commando and UYA being two of my favorite games of all-time, I have to say that I saw it coming when Ratchet: Deadlocked released. They completely forgot about what made the previous games awesome (Insomniac museum, creative weapons, fun platforming sections to break up the shooting) and it was really by the book instead of being creative and different. I've never played Future and I've only demoed Resistance for a small period of time, but if they are anything like Deadlocked then they are very average.

[y2kev]

I thought Future was horrible.

[cool breeze]

Future was Great.  I thought it was the second best after Going Commando.

If by "overrated" you mean that Halo 3 doesn't deserve to be called a top-ten game of all time or something like that, then I'd agree.

If by "overrated" you mean that Halo 3 doesn't deserve reviews in the 9-10 range, then I disagree wholeheartedly.

Either way, it's hard for me to imagine a Resistance title ever entering that stratosphere of awesomeness.

the first one.  I've even said before that Halo 3 getting 10s is totally justified, it's just I personally got a bit tired of the formula.  Maybe when/if it's out on PC I'll have had enough rest from the series to enjoy it for what it is.

[bork]

I just did some co-op and...huh.  Maybe campaign will be more engaging.   

[y2kev]

Halo 3 got "package" 10s. Dan Hsu's review is the obligatory review. He was like, "Yeah, it's Halo....sure it has some problems...bUT SAVED FILMS!!!"

Which are nice, but Halo 3 definitely coasted on reputation and featureset. Parish's 9 kind of shocked me. His scores are usually predictable by a formula of like #grids in game X 50 if developer name ends in "lus" - 3 if it's a good game

[bork]

Come on, Halo 3 was packed with content and the 4 player co-op online campaign and such certainly helped.  That's big for a console game.

Just played some Resistance 2 multiplayer, and that was MUCH more satisfying.  Maybe it was the slow, shitty weapon I had in co-op, maybe it was the lame A.I., I dunno...but that co-op match sucked.  Multi was fun and the map I played on (San Francisco) looked GREAT visually.  So much more detail than the co-op level.  Weird.  The game feels like this weird CoD/Halo fusion though.

[duckman2000]

I intended to rent R2 but now I can't since renting videogames is made illegal in Belgium, but now R2 doesn't even get the praise of its predecessor I'm not really eager to play it.

You're a Halo fan, though; chances are you'd like this one a lot more than the predecessor. Or, you'd get doubly annoyed by its mimicking of Halo 3. For as much crap as I've given Halo 3 for its shitty script and presentation, at least it was believable in a cheeseball sort of way, and the squad members were believable, in a sci-fi marine sort of way. Insomniac doesn't do well here. It's a bit weird that they couldn't get the squad feel down, as I consider the sidekicks in Deadlocked and Future to be quite personable.

[cool breeze]

Halo 3 got "package" 10s. Dan Hsu's review is the obligatory review. He was like, "Yeah, it's Halo....sure it has some problems...bUT SAVED FILMS!!!"

Which are nice, but Halo 3 definitely coasted on reputation and featureset. Parish's 9 kind of shocked me. His scores are usually predictable by a formula of like #grids in game X 50 if developer name ends in "lus" - 3 if it's a good game

All I remember about Parish was that he got into the Halo lore and that's when anything he said about Halo because useless to me.  It's like those people complaining about the flood being in Halo Wars because it's not canon.  It's Halo, it's a game that started off by ripping off Aliens, then they added some distinguished mentally-challenged extra story about talking apes, then they realized the apes were distinguished mentally-challenged and they subbed in some armored big dudes.  Not to mention that the plot of Halo 3 was hidden away in, well, hidden consoles to read.

It's a weird case for reviewers.  I mean, Halo 2 dropped the ball it a bit (same way Resistance 2 does), but then Halo 3 tops Halo 1 which was an amazing game.  It's still great, but it's the same thing you've played before, so how do you go about reviewing that? I guess now that the CoDWoW reviews are out, you just still review it well despite it being the same game. 

[duckman2000]

Absolutely the most disappointing part so far was the actual opening level. Do you guys remember that GI preview, and those majestic images of an Icelandic landscape under siege by Chimera troops, and massive Goliaths? Looking at that, and reading about how it was supposedly a game of a grander scale, I envisioned an open battlefield, using improvised tactics to bring down these beasts. And they had the nerve to make it damned near on rails.

[duckman2000]

Pretty epic, huh? Well, it isn't. I'd say my disappointment with this encounter is on par with my disappointment with the Scarab fight in Halo 2. And the Scarab encounters in Halo 3 absolutely shit all over this with great force and viscosity.

[y2kev]

Absolutely the most disappointing part so far was the actual opening level. Do you guys remember that GI preview, and those majestic images of an Icelandic landscape under siege by Chimera troops, and massive Goliaths? Looking at that, and reading about how it was supposedly a game of a grander scale, I envisioned an open battlefield, using improvised tactics to bring down these beasts. And they had the nerve to make it damned near on rails.

yep. opening level blows chunks.

[Mr. Gundam]

Just beat the game. It was fun and all, but I wasn't really feeling it UNTIL THE VERY FINAL CUTSCENE.

WHAT THE FUCK?!

[duckman2000]

Anyone care to spoil the story for me? I don't see myself finishing this, which will be a first for any Insomniac game. Too many options, and this really hasn't gripped me. 

Oh yeah, and at unskippable, not so great cutscenes. I take it this is their idea of no loading?

[duckman2000]

Actually, is there anyone here who wants to play it, but haven't felt like renting/buying it? You can probably borrow my copy, as long as you return it as some point.

[cool breeze]

The story ends with

spoiler (click to show/hide)

you waiting around (lieterally) for the Daedalus guy's monologue to end as he rips things apart (I'm not joking when I say you just stand there for maybe 5+ minutes every once in a while shooting enemies...if you die you repeat this sequence), then you go and fight him by shooting a glowing orb on the screen and he dies.  There is a brief cool part here with Hale absorbs the guy's powers and is now like incredibly strong.  You basically run back to the ship, but this time you just have your hands and are able to blow up Chimera in one hit by looking at them.  It's pretty cool to see 10+ enemies explode at once.  Then he gets on the ship with the Capelli guy as the bomb explodes and something happens to the ship before it crashes.  Capelli comes out of the ship and sees that in the sky there is a destroyed planet and moon (maybe Earth? they don't say).  You see Hale looking at the planet and saying it's beautiful because he's full Chimera now, so Capelli shoots him in the head.  Credits roll.  nothing after the credits.

And everyone except Capelli dies.

[close]

[Mr. Gundam]

The story ends with

spoiler (click to show/hide)

you waiting around (lieterally) for the Daedalus guy's monologue to end as he rips things apart (I'm not joking when I say you just stand there for maybe 5+ minutes every once in a while shooting enemies...if you die you repeat this sequence), then you go and fight him by shooting a glowing orb on the screen and he dies.  There is a brief cool part here with Hale absorbs the guy's powers and is now like incredibly strong.  You basically run back to the ship, but this time you just have your hands and are able to blow up Chimera in one hit by looking at them.  It's pretty cool to see 10+ enemies explode at once.  Then he gets on the ship with the Capelli guy as the bomb explodes and something happens to the ship before it crashes.  Capelli comes out of the ship and sees that in the sky there is a destroyed planet and moon (maybe Earth? they don't say).  You see Hale looking at the planet and saying it's beautiful because he's full Chimera now, so Capelli shoots him in the head.  Credits roll.  nothing after the credits.

And everyone except Capelli dies.

[close]

And you can't skip the end credits.

This game was seriously lacking a story. Whoever thought that it would be a good idea for you to have to play some stupid ARG and collect intel files in the game to understand what's really going on is an idiot.

There were some great moments, but Resistance 1 >>>>>>>> Resistance 2

[Smooth Groove]

The story ends with

spoiler (click to show/hide)

you waiting around (lieterally) for the Daedalus guy's monologue to end as he rips things apart (I'm not joking when I say you just stand there for maybe 5+ minutes every once in a while shooting enemies...if you die you repeat this sequence), then you go and fight him by shooting a glowing orb on the screen and he dies.  There is a brief cool part here with Hale absorbs the guy's powers and is now like incredibly strong.  You basically run back to the ship, but this time you just have your hands and are able to blow up Chimera in one hit by looking at them.  It's pretty cool to see 10+ enemies explode at once.  Then he gets on the ship with the Capelli guy as the bomb explodes and something happens to the ship before it crashes.  Capelli comes out of the ship and sees that in the sky there is a destroyed planet and moon (maybe Earth? they don't say).  You see Hale looking at the planet and saying it's beautiful because he's full Chimera now, so Capelli shoots him in the head.  Credits roll.  nothing after the credits.

And everyone except Capelli dies.

[close]

And you can't skip the end credits.

This game was seriously lacking a story. Whoever thought that it would be a good idea for you to have to play some stupid ARG and collect intel files in the game to understand what's really going on is an idiot.

There were some great moments, but Resistance 1 >>>>>>>> Resistance 2

Someone told me that's a drastic focus shift in the story because Hale went from the main hero to being just one of the dudes.  If so, I could see why people say that Resistance is turning into a sci-fi COD. 

That kinda sucks because R1's storytelling is probably the thing I like most about it. 

Actually, is there anyone here who wants to play it, but haven't felt like renting/buying it? You can probably borrow my copy, as long as you return it as some point.

If you still have it after Christmas, I might have something to trade with you.  Since all I want from R2 is single player, there's no way I'm gonna pay full price for it. 

[cool breeze]

The story ends with

spoiler (click to show/hide)

you waiting around (lieterally) for the Daedalus guy's monologue to end as he rips things apart (I'm not joking when I say you just stand there for maybe 5+ minutes every once in a while shooting enemies...if you die you repeat this sequence), then you go and fight him by shooting a glowing orb on the screen and he dies.  There is a brief cool part here with Hale absorbs the guy's powers and is now like incredibly strong.  You basically run back to the ship, but this time you just have your hands and are able to blow up Chimera in one hit by looking at them.  It's pretty cool to see 10+ enemies explode at once.  Then he gets on the ship with the Capelli guy as the bomb explodes and something happens to the ship before it crashes.  Capelli comes out of the ship and sees that in the sky there is a destroyed planet and moon (maybe Earth? they don't say).  You see Hale looking at the planet and saying it's beautiful because he's full Chimera now, so Capelli shoots him in the head.  Credits roll.  nothing after the credits.

And everyone except Capelli dies.

[close]

And you can't skip the end credits.

This game was seriously lacking a story. Whoever thought that it would be a good idea for you to have to play some stupid ARG and collect intel files in the game to understand what's really going on is an idiot.

There were some great moments, but Resistance 1 >>>>>>>> Resistance 2

Seriously.  It's like they sat down and thought "Remember how stupid Halo 3's story was handled? well we should copy that!"

[duckman2000]

Interestingly, I felt like the guy had more personality when he was just an isolated one-man army as opposed to the No. 1 super-dude in charge that he is now.

As for the intel, I liked it in R1, but it feels out of place here. R1 was a big mystery, and the intel files added to that. Here, who cares about intel, I'm in a squad and me and my squad are going to beat these ugly mofos back to whatever ugly planet they came from. Halo-clone, yet it somehow misses all of what made Halo work.

[cool breeze]

I like Hale more now since he isn't just random quiet douche/master chief type character and more just a selfish asshole.

[Mr. Gundam]

It's nice that Hale has an actual personality, but Insomniac dropped the ball on an actual storyline.

The whole

spoiler (click to show/hide)

shattered moon/planet in the sky

[close]

at the end makes me want a third Resistance title, though.

[duckman2000]

Maybe R3 will be to R2 as Halo 3 is to Halo 2, and combine the good from both games while keeping the crap at a minimum. That would be nice, but for some reason, critics seem to think that they are on the right track already.

[cool breeze]

lol yeah.  The entire time I didn't care about the story and then at the end I actually wanted to know what happens after that.  Part of me hopes that Resistance PSP is going to be much better than Resistance 2 and Insomniac hands the game over to Bend while they have time to do work on one game for a good amount of time.  Then again, i would much rather see Bend make a new Syphon Filter for PS3.

I actually am a bit confused as to why there isn't a Syphon Filter announced for PS3 yet.  The PSP games are great and were well received by critics.

Maybe R3 will be to R2 as Halo 3 is to Halo 2, and combine the good from both games while keeping the crap at a minimum. That would be nice, but for some reason, critics seem to think that they are on the right track already.

I hope that happens also, but I remember critics also praising Halo 2 and it was changed for the better, so maybe Insomniac will change it around.  I want single player to be the main priority this time around.

[Mr. Gundam]

So in Resistance 3, there can't be more than

spoiler (click to show/hide)

3 million people left in the United States, if that many. Is Cappeli the new main character? Do we take the fight to the stars? Does it visit the area off the cost of Mexico mentioned briefly in the game?

[close]

AND CAN WE GET THE NARRATOR BACK? I liked that aspect of the first game.

[cool breeze]

What I think is that

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Capelli will be the main character and it will go back to being one man vs everyone for the most part.  Resistance 2 had Hale really comfortable because he constantly had his squad with him, also giving for many dialogue opportunities, but Capelli is alone at the end of Resistance 2.

The biggest question is where and when they are.  The planet looked to be a destroyed Earth, but then again it looked like they were on Earth, so the entire thing is a bit weird.  I think taking it into the future would be good if only because there will be more weapons to bring in.

[close]

[duckman2000]

Remember the original plan for Resistance, a total sci-fi, total war affair? That's where Insomniac should head. I could easily see an all sci-fi game from Insomniac being very pretty, and playing very well. And for all the shit that the "bald space marine" gets, there really aren't that FPS these days that have you fighting aliens in alien environments.

[Mr. Gundam]

Are we the only ones on EB who beat R2? I figured more people would be taking part in slamming this PS3 exclusive. 

[Brehvolution]

I have my copy reserved still but I haven't picked it up yet for monetary reasons. I might go switch the money over to Motorstorm 2 instead.

[Smooth Groove]

Are we the only ones on EB who beat R2? I figured more people would be taking part in slamming this PS3 exclusive. 

Don't worry.  Yours truly will fulfill his role as Captain Xbot and educate the ignoramuses on why R2 is just another overrated PS3 exclusive. 

[Mr. Gundam]

Are we the only ones on EB who beat R2? I figured more people would be taking part in slamming this PS3 exclusive. 

Don't worry.  Yours truly will fulfill his role as Captain Xbot and educate the ignoramuses on why R2 is just another overrated PS3 exclusive. 

Heh, R2 really does remind me of Halo 2 in terms of hype and the massive let down.

I love my PS3 and am genuinely happy with the games on it, but man those idiots over at GAF are terrible.

[MrAngryFace]

So R2 sucks?

[cool breeze]

yeah, or at least just the single player kinda sucks.  Not to say it's not worth playing or anything.

[Smooth Groove]

Supposedly the SP sucks but the MP is pretty good.  Since you ain't gonna play MP in a PS3 shooter, you probably don't want to get it.  

[Eel O'Brian]

Imma rent this over the holidays

[cool breeze]

I don't know if I would say multiplayer is pretty good from the brief bits I played of the beta, but maybe they changed it up and fixed the co-op mmorpg stuff going on.  Actually, if you do like shooters and MMORPG games than you might like the co-op mode.  

[Smooth Groove]

Imma rent this over the holidays

We'll get it for your 40th birthday, old man. 

[Eel O'Brian]

that's not until next august, i might have the alzheimer's by then

[MrAngryFace]

single player sucking saddens my heart.

[Eel O'Brian]

you can play the co-op missions by yourself

[MrAngryFace]

:/

[Eel O'Brian]

i didn't care much for the first one, so i have zero expectations for it

maybe i will be pleasantly surprised

[MrAngryFace]

Yeah, I mean I liked Halo 2 despite the wah wah too. Ill just grab it used probably.