"A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics

[Oblivion]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/16/romney-leaves-note-for-reporters/

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

While there is a ways to go, if you add up the Obama + Lean Obama + Toss ups, you get pretty much the exact same margins as 2008.

  election total

[Phoenix Dark]

Virginia and Ohio should be lean Obama right now. But considering we're likely to get a full summer of bad jobs reports, the SC might shitcan health care in a week, and the Greek elections today could trigger a global recession....yea, Obama is far from a lock.

[Himu]

Barry needs to get this shit down and hustle his ass.

[Barry Egan]

Barry needs to get this shit down and hustle his ass.

Problem is that all the major factors deciding the election at this point are completely outside of his control. 

[Joe Molotov]

Barry needs to get this shit down and hustle his ass.

Problem is that all the major factors deciding the election at this point are completely outside of his control. 

There's still "pandering to rich people."

[Mandark]

Barry needs to get this shit down and hustle his ass.

Problem is that all the major factors deciding the election at this point are completely outside of his control.

Not all of them.

[Oblivion]

Welp, so much for Obamacare:

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg predicts that the Court would be sharply divided over a series of high profile cases due by the end of the month, including the case over the constitutionality of health care reform

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/ginsburg-predicts-sharp-disagreement-ahead-of-supreme-courts-high-profile-cases.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

[Boogie]

Welp, so much for Obamacare:

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg predicts that the Court would be sharply divided over a series of high profile cases due by the end of the month, including the case over the constitutionality of health care reform

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/ginsburg-predicts-sharp-disagreement-ahead-of-supreme-courts-high-profile-cases.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

I eagerly await the news that in the 21st Century, the United States Constitution is essentially a suicide pact.

 

[Phoenix Dark]

I think they'll keep the law but throw out the mandate, which would basically kill the law anyway; insurance companies will go apeshit if they have to cover pre-existing conditions without the mandate

[Brehvolution]

And thus the silver bullet fired and single payer was born.

[benjipwns]

I can't believe nobody is discussing Ron Paul's massive landslide victory in Iowa:

Dr. Paul won 10 of 13 delegates elected at today’s state convention in addition to having won 11 of 12 delegates elected at last night’s district conventions, for a weekend total of 21 of 25 contestable delegates, all unbound.

21 delegates for Paul, 1 for Romney, 6 uncommitted.

[Joe Molotov]

I'm glad we have a site called "Reason" to let us know about Ron Paul's sucessful presidential campaign.

[brawndolicious]

So Greece will be okay hopefully.

Or at least the rest of the world will be.

[Human Snorenado]

And thus the silver bullet fired and single payer was born.

Yeah right, about 40% of the country would be happy with public executions of all registered democrats, good luck with that shit.

[Oblivion]

This is pretty awesome:

[Joe Molotov]

It looks like Australia will be dragged in to WW3 by the American Government. We all know that China has no problem with Australia apart from our military alliance with the United States. Australia is great friends with China and has been since the early 90's when Paul Keating was our Prime Minister.

If anyone knows anything about regional politics you would know that China does not have many good friends in our part of the world. Behind North Korea, we are their best buds in this area of the world. The phenomenal rise of China has been assisted by its friendship with Australia. China in turn has helped Australia rise to the number 1 ranked OECD nation. We have been great partners.

When the GFC was destroying western economies, Australia and China had little trouble. The GFC actually helped both of us. We both got a bump in our international standing. Australia did so well that our mediocre Treasurer, Wayne Swan was won an award, being named Euromoney Finance Minister of the Year China won the award for him.

We have a strong economy because of the resources boom and Chinas investment in our mining industry. Mining is the big thing at the moment that we offer China. but mining is not the only thing. Like I said, the chinese have been investing heavily in Australia since the early 90's and before. The Chinese have been moving here to live and becoming Australians. The Chinese have have been coming to study here in our Universities for years. The Chinese have been coming here to holiday for years. They love our beaches and nice weather. They love our cities. They love our women/men. They love our casinos. They love our culture. They have been with us as far back as the Gold Rush.

It is in Australias best interest for the Chinese economy to remain strong. The Chinese will continue to come here. Australia is the West in the East. We are everything. We are the most multicultural place on the planet. One but many. No other western nation is lucky enough to be in a geographic position to take advantage of the shift in power and capital from the West to the East like Australia is.

It has always been a disadvantage for Australia to be located in the East for so many reasons. Now it has become an advantage. The East is where all the power is now. The capital has shifted. The only thing left is for China to take control of the Reserve Currency. When China gets the Reserve Currency Status soon, the standard of living and wealth per capita will rise significantly for the Chinese and Australia as its neighbour with alot to offer, will benifit.

Like I said, it looks like the American Government will drag us in to war with China and get many of our people killed for no good reason other than helping them maintain their status as superpower. But I think China will defeat us easily. We are still located in the right part of the world evn if we are conquered. Western Australia wants to become part of asia already. Would it be so bad to be ruled by the Chinese Government? They have gotta be better than boot licking Gillard. Better than Tony Abbott. The major parties are puppets of the US Government. They are simply an extension of the US Government. China is doing a great job at running its country. No nation has risen like China. They are an economic miracle.

People like to use imagery of Mao Zedong or bring up the moochers of Tibet or the a couple other things when China is mentioned. I am not afraid of China. They have done a much better job than the United States has at running their country. China is the future. I think China is a little bit like Darth Vader in Empire Strikes Back and Australia is Luke Skywalker. Darth want Luke to join him so they can rule the universe together. I wonder what would have happened if Luke had have taken him up on his offer. We know Darth wasnt such a bad dude deep down. I think that Anakin and Luke Skywalker could have ruled a pretty happy universe at the end of the day once they put The Emperor in his place. Maybe they could have reasoned with The Emperor and convinced him to stand down and it could have been resolved without any trouble.

[Great Rumbler]

I think China is a little bit like Darth Vader in Empire Strikes Back and Australia is Luke Skywalker. Darth want Luke to join him so they can rule the universe together. I wonder what would have happened if Luke had have taken him up on his offer. We know Darth wasnt such a bad dude deep down. I think that Anakin and Luke Skywalker could have ruled a pretty happy universe at the end of the day once they put The Emperor in his place. Maybe they could have reasoned with The Emperor and convinced him to stand down and it could have been resolved without any trouble.

[Oblivion]

So apparently, Robin Leach is no fan of Obama.

[Barry Egan]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-19/obama-immigration-policy-favored-2-to-1-by-likely-voters.html

President Barack Obama is winning the opening round in the battle over immigration, according to a Bloomberg poll released today, putting Republicans on the defensive with his decision to end the deportations of some illegal immigrants brought to the U.S. as children,

Sixty-four percent of likely voters surveyed after Obama’s June 15 announcement said they agreed with the policy, while 30 percent said they disagreed. Independents backed the decision by better than a two-to-one margin

[Mandark]

Wouldn't read too much into a single poll on a newly announced initiative.  The response probably depends a lot on the phrasing of the question, and we haven't had time for the BS spin to mature yet.

I think it's a pretty solid decision that should be easy to defend publicly: it's relatively hard to hate on law-abiding students and soldiers.  But if the GOP decides it's worth pushing back on, I'm sure they'll eventually settle on some disingenuous line of attack that will get repeated ad nauseum, and you'd get at least ~40% opposed after that.

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Maybe pointing out that under-30 immigrant students are more likely to be unemployed and receiving some sort of government support, through public education or poverty relief programs?  You know, just a gentle reminder that those brown folks are basically parasites.

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[Dickie Dee]

Sounds like "unprecedented Presidential overreach" or something is the line they've settle on.

[AdmiralViscen]

Wouldn't read too much into a single poll on a newly announced initiative.  The response probably depends a lot on the phrasing of the question, and we haven't had time for the BS spin to mature yet.

I think it's a pretty solid decision that should be easy to defend publicly: it's relatively hard to hate on law-abiding students and soldiers.  But if the GOP decides it's worth pushing back on, I'm sure they'll eventually settle on some disingenuous line of attack that will get repeated ad nauseum, and you'd get at least ~40% opposed after that.

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Maybe pointing out that under-30 immigrant students are more likely to be unemployed and receiving some sort of government support, through public education or poverty relief programs?  You know, just a gentle reminder that those brown folks are basically parasites.

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I have already heard the spoilered defense - that young American citizens are among those most impacted by unemployment and that this will increase competition for them.

Of course, it is also wrong to let them use their parents insurance because they should go get a jerb

[Phoenix Dark]

Germany Set To Allow Eurozone Bailout Fund To Buy Troubled Countries’ Debt
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/euro-crisis-merkel-debt.php?ref=fpb

thank you based Merkel

[Oblivion]

Check mate, libruls.

[AdmiralViscen]

"quiet, and go back to giving us free labor"

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm pretty sure Madison never referred to a black man as sir

[Great Rumbler]

I'm pretty sure Madison never referred to a black man as sir

[Oblivion]

I'm pretty sure Madison never referred to a black man as sir

Oh, god after I read the Admiral's post, I was JUST about to post this.

This has been happening a lot recently.  :'(

[Oblivion]

It seems even the most principled, freedom loving libertarian is no match for the federal government infringing on his rights, and forcing him to take SS checks:

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/20/502846/paul-admits-social-security/

[Phoenix Dark]

Multiple sites are saying the SC could reveal their Obamacare verdit sometime Thursday morning. Some of us may wake up with no health insurance 

[Oblivion]

Multiple sites are saying the SC could reveal their Obamacare verdit sometime Thursday morning. Some of us may wake up with no health insurance 

Join the club.


Wait...

[benjipwns]

Weird...was supposed to be about a half hour ago. But nothing, AZ immigration thing neither.

They did issue this: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUPREME_COURT_UNION_FEES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-06-21-10-12-54

I was reading that whoever writes the opinion gets two weeks to respond to dissents. And dissents were due last Friday. Don't know if more time means Roberts or Kennedy writing the opinion.

EDIT: literally as I posted it changed to saying not today, so next week.

And FOX beats FCC.

[benjipwns]

The Supreme Court has ruled in favor of Fox and ABC in their fight with the FCC over indecency, saying the commission didn't give the networks fair notice that "fleeting expletives and momentary nudity" could be found indecent.

The Supreme Court has thrown out fines and sanctions against broadcasters who violated the Federal Communications Commission policy regulating curse words and nudity on broadcast television.

The justices declined on Thursday to issue a broad ruling on the constitutionality of the FCC indecency policy. Instead, the court concluded only that broadcasters could not have known in advance that obscenities uttered during awards show programs and a brief display of nudity on an episode of ABC's NYPD Blue could give rise to sanctions.

The justices said the FCC is free to revise its indecency policy.

[benjipwns]

Bryson resigning too:

Commerce Secretary John Bryson informed the department's employees Thursday that he has given the president a letter of resignation. "I have come to the conclusion that I need to step down to prevent distractions from this critical mission," Bryson said. Bryson had been on a medical leave of absence since June 11, following a seizure that resulted in his involvement in two car accidents.

[Himu]

I'm pretty sure Madison never referred to a black man as sir

 

[Oblivion]

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Man, I read today that SuperPACs are outspending Obama 3-1, and between that and the Eurozone possibly collapsing I realized we are really only one bad October news cycle away from "President Romney." I feel physically ill.

[Joe Molotov]

Man, I read today that SuperPACs are outspending Obama 3-1, and between that and the Eurozone possibly collapsing I realized we are really only one bad October news cycle away from "President Romney." I feel physically ill.

At least he'll make the trains run on time.

[Human Snorenado]

My gut feeling is that Obama will win with about the same margin as he beat McCain in the popular vote; electoral college will be slimmer.  Dems will probably BARELY hold onto the Senate and pick up 5-10 seats in the House.  In 2014 They'll try to impeach him for GWB (governing while black) or whatever.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Yeah, I still think that Obama will win (because: Romney). But I realized for the first time how razor-thin CLOSE we are to a Romney presidency. It's horrifying.

[Akala]

eh, same sinking feeling as palin last time, look how that turned out.

[Phoenix Dark]

Eurozone, possible Obamacare repeal, Iran, economic stagnation, participation rate increase...Romney sucks but I don't see Obama prevailing. The money shouldn't matter too much IMO; Obama has a significant ground game advantage, and tv ads reach a saturation point eventually for both sides.

[Human Snorenado]

For sure, all sorts of crazy/dumb shit could happen that could still tilt it the opposite direction, and the paranoid lunatic in me thinks we could have some sort of diebold/11th hour Iranian hostage crisis/greek debt bomb implosion that only SERIOUS MITT ROMNEY'S HAIR can handle.

[Human Snorenado]

PD's political spidey sense is awesome; I equate it to what Plouffe would say about Politico/Halperin in 2008:  "If Politico and Halperin say we're losing, we're winning."

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I couldn't care less these days.  There isn't shit I can do about anything here.  Flapping my hands about Obama isn't going to make people go to the polls and vote for him.

I still think Obama will win and will gather about as many electoral votes as he did in 2008, give or take a couple of small states (350-380).  The economy is going to be the big issue here and it will be on Romney to prove why he can do a better job than Obama, which is a taller order than what people think.  Although Romney will have an easier time because the 2012 job reports are going to be fucking terrible.

[Phoenix Dark]

PD's political spidey sense is awesome; I equate it to what Plouffe would say about Politico/Halperin in 2008:  "If Politico and Halperin say we're losing, we're winning."

Meh. The map certainly benefits Obama - Romney basically has one path to 270, which is through Ohio. But the economy is cratering bro. Europe dodged a bullet last weekend but there will be more, Iran/Israel could fuck a lot of stuff up, etc etc etc. It's like trying to steer a ship through water filled with mines. Romney is probably the worst candidate since Dukakis but it won't matter if we average 50-80k jobs a month until November.

And don't forget Obamacare, which could get shitcanned on Monday. It's like a series of tragedies waiting to happen.

[Brehvolution]

The debates will swing the tide. I'm becoming apathetic about the it all because the last thing I'm going to let happen is it making me a bitter old man like it has for some of the older members of my family.

[benjipwns]

The debates will swing the tide.

Debates won't matter at all.

What debates does anyone remember? 1960, first TV. 1980, Reagan using his acting chops. 1992, because of Perot. If 2000, it was because of SNL's Gore LOCKBOX sketch and the resulting election disaster. What were the stories out of 2004? Bush's bulletproof vest and his secret timber mill? Kerry's cheating note cards? Those had to have swung the race.

If you don't drop an epic accidental bomb of a gaffe, which is increasingly unlikely due to the controlled nature and shortened response times (I mean Palin vs. Biden, what came out of that? We have the ground set for an epic clusterfuck of a debate where Biden declares an Obama administration will invade Japan with Amtrak while Palin says she'll nuke the gays she can see in Russia, and yet nothing happened and nobody gave a shit) then all you're doing is showing that you're competent to do the role of what most people see the President as. Someone who talks to them on the TV and says they're doing shit to help the middle class and kill terrorists. And then they ascribe their personal situation to our god-king.

Neither Obama nor Romney will be "taking the gloves off" and tearing the others subtle difference in moronic positions apart. They'll be climbing over each other to claim the mantle as the best paranoid centrist path to collapse.

Meh. The map certainly benefits Obama - Romney basically has one path to 270, which is through Ohio.

Romney's best chance scenario is like 280-290 electoral votes. I currently can't see how he can pull this off. That said. The shocking thing are these recent Michigan polls, they can't be right at all. Rasmussen of all people is the only one showing what you'd think is the natural Obama lead.

[Phoenix Dark]

Debates matter, just not as much as some believe. The final 04 debate is credited with tightening the race based off Kerry's strong performance. In 08 Obama destroyed McCain three times, of course it had some impact

I think this year's debates will matter because it'll be such a clear contrast of visions, styles, and personalities. It'll also be the first time Romney's various bullshit responses are challenged. He's a good debater, as is Obama. It shouldn't be hard to slam Obama's economic record in his face, and on the other hand Romney will have to demonstrate how he differs from Bush. Should be interesting

[Mandark]

Debates matter, just not as much as some believe. The final 04 debate is credited with tightening the race based off Kerry's strong performance.

You can't make an assertion then follow it with something in the passive voice like that, mang.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Is anyone else getting harrassed constantly by the Obama campaign and the Democrats?  I'm receiving about four calls a day from these fucks.  Almost makes me want to be a Romney supporter...

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...just kidding.

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[benjipwns]

In 08 Obama destroyed McCain three times, of course it had some impact

I'd argue it had very little.

Obama was already up 3-7 points in almost every poll around the first two debates. McCain's only lead at any point was back in September around the convention. The rushing back in a panic to demand TARP and wanting to delay the debates vaporized this, especially regarding the conservative support he bought with Palin, far more than the debates did any actual damage. He was trending down in an election he never had a shot at winning. The debates were just piling dirt on the corpse.

I think this year's debates will matter because it'll be such a clear contrast of visions, styles, and personalities

He's a good debater

By "debater" you mean 90 second answer press conferencer right?

[Phoenix Dark]

Debates matter, just not as much as some believe. The final 04 debate is credited with tightening the race based off Kerry's strong performance.

You can't make an assertion then follow it with something in the passive voice like that, mang.

Kerry scored big gains, as 42 percent of respondents said they had a more favorable opinion of him after the debate. Bush only increased with 27 percent of those polled.

When asked who would handle domestic issues better, Kerry scored higher in health care (55-41). There was no clear leader on the economy (Kerry 51, Bush 46), education (Kerry 48, Bush 47) or taxes (Bush 50, Kerry 47).

Kerry's biggest win came on the question of who expressed himself better, where 61 percent of respondents chose him over Bush (29 percent).

The president was viewed as more likeable, but Kerry appeared to respondents as having the better understanding of issues (49-37).

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-10-14/politics/snap.poll_1_kerry-and-bush-instant-polls-final-debate?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-picks-john-kerry-to-play-romney-in-mock-debate-rehearsals/2012/06/18/gJQABEctlV_story.html

The race tightened in the final days of the election and ultimately Kerry came damn close to winning (Ohio).

[Mandark]

But in the end Bush just wanted it more

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[Phoenix Dark]

[Barry Egan]

 

[TakingBackSunday]

the economic debate between the two is going to be like two junior athletes aiming for varsity.  the two are so meh about the subject, but obama has a much better record.  Romney is going to get shat on methinks because obama's ads against him have been really effective in ohio

[recursivelyenumerable]

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then it turns out they were on your side all along

[Joe Molotov]

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then it turns out they were on your side all along

Then they come for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.