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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #540 on: January 30, 2009, 02:41:37 AM »
Worth noting (I think I mentioned this earlier in this thread, but it may have been elsewhere), my issue with the stimulus bill is sort of parallel to sd's latest response.  I agree with a lot of the things in the bill, but I don't think this should have been labeled as the "stimulus package."  SD thinks the problem is that the things this bill addresses aren't particularly relevant with stimulus (which I don't agree with that much), and I think it's just been given a lousy name.
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« Reply #541 on: January 30, 2009, 03:10:19 AM »
Emergency measures always run the risk of being Trojan horses for longer-term agendas, because the scale and urgency make opposition that much harder.  See how the GOP used the Department of Homeland Security re-org for unionbusting, or how the Bush admin argued that the Iraq war authorization also applied to domestic spying.

I think this bill is fairly good about that, though.  That's mostly my judgment from reading the summary, but partly because some Democrats are complaining that it doesn't achieve long-term goals like a new rail infrastructure.

The fact is there's some overlap in what makes for good fiscal stimulus and what makes liberals feel warm and fuzzy inside.

Food stamps and Medicare funds are easy to disburse quickly, are immediately spent back into the economy, and go towards things with real value.  Putting aside the evil redistributionist part, it makes them more effective than tax rebates (which mostly get saved) and most long-term building projects (which couldn't even get started for a year or two).

A lot of people have absorbed the idea that stimulus should take the place of big, tangible works projects.  Maybe it's all the New Deal imagery.  But stimulus is basically about pouring money into the economy, in a way where it will keep flowing rather than congeal.

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« Reply #542 on: January 30, 2009, 03:21:30 AM »
A tangent, but since it's related to the economic collapse, I think it will fit in here:

Because of all the doom and gloom (actual doom and gloom, mind you), people have not been spending money out in the market, and a significant portion of that money not going into the market is likely going into savings accounts (or to pay off debt).  This kind of illustrates a critical flaw of the sort of economy the US and much of the world has fostered.  If there is collective good and wise group behavior (saving money/managing money responsibly), there is collective group punishment via the market disturbances that will happen as a result of unspent cash.  US-like economies thrive off of bad, unwise behavior.  That is completely irrational, and not only does it make me wonder if this ship is worth saving, but if it can be saved at all.
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« Reply #543 on: January 30, 2009, 07:44:14 AM »
A tangent, but since it's related to the economic collapse, I think it will fit in here:

Because of all the doom and gloom (actual doom and gloom, mind you), people have not been spending money out in the market, and a significant portion of that money not going into the market is likely going into savings accounts (or to pay off debt).  This kind of illustrates a critical flaw of the sort of economy the US and much of the world has fostered.  If there is collective good and wise group behavior (saving money/managing money responsibly), there is collective group punishment via the market disturbances that will happen as a result of unspent cash.  US-like economies thrive off of bad, unwise behavior.  That is completely irrational, and not only does it make me wonder if this ship is worth saving, but if it can be saved at all.

Once the economy gets moving and credit markets begin to thaw, people will go back to making stupid decisions as always.  Obama is the magic negro that will get rid of the bad economy.  Once he does that or puts it in motion, people will forget all about his contributions, claim to be pissed off about his deep rooted connection with Ayers and put in a God fearin' Republican.
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« Reply #544 on: January 30, 2009, 08:28:35 AM »

Interesting, if only to see what Obama would look like with a high top fade

Seems like a few the tin foil people are still struggling to label Obama.


Why was stuff about Obama's meeting with Hillary about her pulling out of the primary included in this?  :lol

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #545 on: January 30, 2009, 08:42:36 AM »
The auto industry is proposing that the government give a 4500 dollar tax credit for people buying new cars (as long as the new cars have a better mpg than your previous).

Self-serving obviously, but not a terrible idea.


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« Reply #546 on: January 30, 2009, 10:19:14 AM »
Alright, what are the best ways to measure if this money actually filters down into job creation? Comparing the next two year averages to the average number of new teacher hires and schools built over the last 3-5 years? Surely those stats are available somewhere. You tell me.

Mock me all you want in regard to road projects. Atlanta is choking on its own growth. There are a ton of things they could do here in just one city that would create jobs and would be good investments for future growth. I'm not at all adverse to mass transit. I use it once a week. Its great. The Bay Area's mass transit systems kick ass. MARTA has bonds that extent into the 2040s and the state of GA projects a ~$200 billion transportation shortfall over the next 30 years or so. Perfect time to invest in transportation here. Again, just one city.

Anyway, GDP -3.8% annualized over the last quarter. Much better than the average expected drop of 5.4%. Seems to have been boosted by inventories. Guess that sets us up for a bigger drop this quarter.

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« Reply #547 on: January 30, 2009, 10:51:20 AM »
Maybe...I believe their Q3 revision is unchanged from the initial estimate though.

That car tax credit sounds awesome. My Mustang gets like 16 I think. I could pretty much buy any new car to qualify. Rates as a 1 on the EPA air pollution scale.  ;)

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« Reply #548 on: January 30, 2009, 12:01:31 PM »
The auto industry is proposing that the government give a 4500 dollar tax credit for people buying new cars (as long as the new cars have a better mpg than your previous).

Self-serving obviously, but not a terrible idea.


One that clearly wont be abused by anyone at all.

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« Reply #549 on: January 30, 2009, 01:21:54 PM »


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« Reply #550 on: January 30, 2009, 01:25:11 PM »
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #551 on: January 30, 2009, 01:30:43 PM »
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I saw a few of these during the campaign, and it just baffled the piss out of me.  "I'll keep the shitty life I had before, thanks."
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« Reply #552 on: January 30, 2009, 01:31:21 PM »
How is his life shitty?

Fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
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« Reply #553 on: January 30, 2009, 01:32:59 PM »
the car tax credit is unimaginably stupid. will it be used to buy american cars? probably not. on top of that, where would the unemployed or poor get the additional money to buy a new car ($4500 is less than half of even a shitty new car) -- or is this just for the still-employed middle-class, who can probably afford a new car sans credit, but are wisely abstaining? republicans are the dumbest motherfuckers out there.

START TAXING THE FUCK OUT OF THE RICH, AND START SPENDING THOSE TAXES ON JOB CREATION. NOW. 70%. BRING IT BACK.
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« Reply #554 on: January 30, 2009, 01:33:57 PM »
if your political beliefs can be expressed as a cute bumper sticker, you probably shouldn't be allowed to hold a political opinion.
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« Reply #555 on: January 30, 2009, 01:34:28 PM »
LOL @ Keeping my freedom.  Do these guys know about the Patriot Act that was sponsored by the previous administration.  Also do they not know that the Stimulus package includes tax cuts for people most likely in that driver's tax bracket.

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« Reply #556 on: January 30, 2009, 01:35:27 PM »
How is his life shitty?

Fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

u mad
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« Reply #557 on: January 30, 2009, 01:35:36 PM »
bu bu bu the rich will move to other countries with less taxes and create thar jobs thar!
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« Reply #558 on: January 30, 2009, 01:36:58 PM »
LOL @ Keeping my freedom.  Do these guys know about the Patriot Act that was sponsored by the previous administration.  Also do they not know that the Stimulus package includes tax cuts for people most likely in that driver's tax bracket.

*sighs*

he has a nice truck, therefore he considers himself a better class of human being. logically, since rich people are also a better class of human being, he must be rich, and therefore, preznit b. hussein obama and his socialist cronies are out to get his money and his freedoms, whatever they are.
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« Reply #559 on: January 30, 2009, 01:37:42 PM »
bu bu bu the rich will move to other countries with less taxes and create thar jobs thar!

bububububu it's the socialists that are unpatriotic, not our free market masters :usacry
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« Reply #560 on: January 30, 2009, 01:39:12 PM »
You are dancing around the issue, sir!  All the rich fatcats will move to an unnamed country they create, with no taxes, and take all the jobs with them!  Who will pay your mortgage then, sir?!
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« Reply #561 on: January 30, 2009, 01:39:20 PM »
So in 2012 when these people still have their guns, "freedom", and money (unless they're rich or are heavily invested in shit companies) what will they say?
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« Reply #562 on: January 30, 2009, 01:40:43 PM »
So in 2012 when these people still have their guns, "freedom", and money (unless they're rich or are heavily invested in shit companies) what will they say?

"if ah'm goin' down ah'm takin' you with me, mister batf!"
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« Reply #563 on: January 30, 2009, 01:40:52 PM »
lower taxes, vote palin
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« Reply #564 on: January 30, 2009, 01:42:24 PM »
the car tax credit is unimaginably stupid. will it be used to buy american cars? probably not. on top of that, where would the unemployed or poor get the additional money to buy a new car ($4500 is less than half of even a shitty new car) -- or is this just for the still-employed middle-class, who can probably afford a new car sans credit, but are wisely abstaining? republicans are the dumbest motherfuckers out there.

First, this was proposed by auto industry execs and more than likely to be backed by the unions. I would be surprised if Republicans would even support it. Especially considering how adament they were against the auto bailout.

Second, "buying American" cars means nothing in today's market. In some cases, a Toyota is more American than a Jeep.

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START TAXING THE FUCK OUT OF THE RICH, AND START SPENDING THOSE TAXES ON JOB CREATION. NOW. 70%. BRING IT BACK.

Yes, look how well it worked for Jimmy Carter.



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« Reply #565 on: January 30, 2009, 01:44:07 PM »
Cars from the Big 3 that are manufactured in Mexico or Canada still use 80-90% US-sourced parts and are designed and tested on American soil by American employees. Outside of a few cars like the Nissan Titan, Japanese vehicles that happen to be manufactured here are designed and tested in Japan, where all profits are funneled, and are 30-50% US-sourced parts tops.

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« Reply #566 on: January 30, 2009, 01:44:26 PM »
So in 2012 when these people still have their guns, "freedom", and money (unless they're rich or are heavily invested in shit companies) what will they say?

Obama is going to get rid of guns, that's a certainty.

It's still "We the people" right?
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« Reply #567 on: January 30, 2009, 01:47:12 PM »
the same auto industry execs currently floundering in an ocean of massive yearly losses? the same unions who have grossly mismanaged themselves into total irrelevance?

so anyway i got this henhouse and these scrawny hairy guys with sharp teeth keep suggesting that the solution to my massive missing chicken problem is to give them some time on the perimeter
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« Reply #568 on: January 30, 2009, 01:47:55 PM »
well obama IS creating a non-voluntary police force out of young folk
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« Reply #569 on: January 30, 2009, 01:49:00 PM »
The last thing we need, more pigs.
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« Reply #570 on: January 30, 2009, 01:50:59 PM »
Who needs manufacturing anyways? Let's have an entire economy based on landscaping, massage therapy and wiping the asses of the elderly.


You better inform Ya Boy Obama that unions are a waste. He seems to believe they are the backbone of the middle class.



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« Reply #571 on: January 30, 2009, 01:56:07 PM »
Quote from: ToxicAdam, friend of the wealthy
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START TAXING THE FUCK OUT OF THE RICH, AND START SPENDING THOSE TAXES ON JOB CREATION. NOW. 70%. BRING IT BACK.

Yes, look how well it worked for Jimmy Carter.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/22/opinion/22krugman.html?ref=opinion

enjoy! given that carter presided over better growth than reagan, and had to deal with the massive effect of stagflation in the 70's, well, LOL JIMMY CARTER doesn't even cut it as convenient republican cant these days.

are you rich, ta?
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #572 on: January 30, 2009, 01:57:24 PM »
Who needs manufacturing anyways? Let's have an entire economy based on landscaping, massage therapy and wiping the asses of the elderly.


You better inform Ya Boy Obama that unions are a waste. He seems to believe they are the backbone of the middle class.




what is it with posturing libertarians and their straw men?

i am all for a strong manufacturing base in the usa. i am also for strong unions rather than the neutered ones we have, who have failed in their essential mission. i am NOT for terrible "stimulus" ideas that make no common sense whatsoever, like "new car credits".
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« Reply #573 on: January 30, 2009, 02:01:04 PM »
dp WAT
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« Reply #574 on: January 30, 2009, 02:04:36 PM »
Dudes like the ones who owns that truck have a long antagonistic view of government, forgetting that their food kept cheap by government subsidies, that the companies that make their trucks stay solvent due to government bailouts, that most the federal money that their states receives for stuff, like, say road repairs, comes from states that provide the most federal tax revenue--i.e. the godless, homo friendly, blue states.

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« Reply #575 on: January 30, 2009, 02:35:17 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/22/opinion/22krugman.html?ref=opinion

enjoy! given that carter presided over better growth than reagan, and had to deal with the massive effect of stagflation in the 70's, well, LOL JIMMY CARTER doesn't even cut it as convenient republican cant these days.


Instead of lapping up all the soundbytes of Krugman, still fighting the battles of 1984, read a book that actually interviewed the people within his administration:

http://www.amazon.com/Jimmy-Carters-Economy-Hartwell-Business/dp/080782738X

In it, you will find that JC was always a few steps late in addressing problems that the country faced. You will also find that despite some positive broad numbers, that the actual rate of output per worker fell dramatically.

So, saying that the numbers of Carter were actually pretty good, would be like cherry picking some 2003-2007 numbers and saying that Bush was a great president.

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are you rich, ta?

I live in Ohio, what do you think? No, not in a traditional sense. But I have 2 healthy children, a degree, and a house and two cars that are paid for. That's all I really care about.

My perspective is definitely skewed. I have lived in cities like Detroit, Toledo and Cleveland my whole life. Places that have been traditionally Democrat. Places that have went into the absolute shitter in my lifetime. My feedback loop has only been negative concerning the policies and outcomes of Democratically controlled areas. Yet, people still keep voting them in.

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what is it with posturing libertarians and their straw men?

This is a great help to my Liberal Argument Bingo Card. I am just a "cognitive dissonance" and a bar graph away from calling Bingo.


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« Reply #576 on: January 30, 2009, 03:10:54 PM »
Looks like Michael Steele is going to be the new RNC chairman

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« Reply #577 on: January 30, 2009, 03:18:46 PM »
Toledo  :'(
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« Reply #578 on: January 30, 2009, 03:23:52 PM »
Steele is just another McCain (2008) or GHWB (1988). Moderate Republicans that realize they have to become conservative if they want to move up the party heirarchy. Worthless.


edit: But looking at the available candidates, he was the best choice. I don't really agree with Republicans reaching out to black voters. It seems like a wasted effort. They instead should reach out to Hispanics and women voters. It would be a much easier task.


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« Reply #579 on: January 30, 2009, 03:55:39 PM »
Plus Steele is just incredibly dishonest and intellectually disingenuous. My primary exposure to him is with his GOPAC garbage and his appearance on Bill Maher when he shit all over himself.
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« Reply #580 on: January 30, 2009, 04:05:36 PM »
ToxicAdam, You clearly have a job that means you are rich and your taxes need to be raised.

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« Reply #581 on: January 30, 2009, 04:08:59 PM »
Plus Steele is just incredibly dishonest and intellectually disingenuous. My primary exposure to him is with his GOPAC garbage and his appearance on Bill Maher when he shit all over himself.

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« Reply #582 on: January 30, 2009, 04:09:34 PM »
McCain is saying he doesn't see any REP votes for the stimulus bill in the senate.

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« Reply #583 on: January 30, 2009, 04:10:24 PM »
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WASHINGTON -- Two congressmen want Citigroup out of Citi Field.

Reps. Dennis Kucinich and Ted Poe sent a letter to new Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner on Thursday, urging the government to demand that the company drop its $400 million, 20-year agreement for naming rights to the New York Mets' ballpark. The stadium opens in April.

The Boy Mayor has been on fire lately... somewhere Raoul Triumph Qwerty is doing a fistpump.

McCain is saying he doesn't see any REP votes for the stimulus bill in the senate.

Where were those fuckers when the first bailout bill was introduced? That's right, that bill favored their constituents ... fuck those guys and their fake principles.






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« Reply #584 on: January 30, 2009, 04:11:40 PM »
Uh oh Steele said God bless his party but not America. Will his flag pin balance out this error?


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« Reply #585 on: January 30, 2009, 04:25:16 PM »
Plus Steele is just incredibly dishonest and intellectually disingenuous. My primary exposure to him is with his GOPAC garbage and his appearance on Bill Maher when he shit all over himself.

Isn't this a requirement to be head of the RNC?
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« Reply #586 on: January 30, 2009, 04:34:58 PM »
Zero, you forgot to mention that he probably hates poor people and wants to see them die.


Here's an interesting read:
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Dear Mr. President, A Bonus Isn't A Bonus
Posted By: Cliff Mason

 
A bonus by any other name would smell just as sweet.

The fury over the fact that Wall Street paid out $18.4 billion in bonuses in 2008, the "sixth largest" amount in history, is about words and nothing else.

This isn't a compensation issue, it's a diction issue.

Outside of lower Manhattan, a "bonus" is a special, one-off reward for performance above and beyond what's expected of an employee. And if investment bankers had gotten $18.4 billion worth of bonuses in that traditional sense of the word, then of course it would be truly outrageous.

But on Wall Street, and at many law firms as well, a bonus is simply part, often the greater part, of your regular compensation. It may vary from year to year, but when you take one of these jobs, the understanding is that you'll be paid a base-salary and once a year you'll also get a "bonus."

The bonus varies in size from year to year, but it's not actually a "bonus" in the way most people think of the word. It's an expected part of your salary, delivered in a lump- sum near Christmastime. Historically, for many people on Wall Street, the base salary is much less than they could be earning elsewhere, but because they know they're getting a sizable "bonus," it makes sense for them to stay at their jobs.

So a bonus isn't a bonus.

But since the vast majority of people don't know that, the public gets angry. And when the public gets angry, Democratic politicians who probably know better have to demagogue the issue. That's how you get the President saying, "there will be a time for profits and bonuses. Now is not that time."

I don't think this is class-warfare, although I wouldn't mind some of that, it's a simple misunderstanding. Obama wouldn't say, "now is not the time for paychecks." But that's essentially what a bonus is on Wall Street, just an expected part of your compensation. This is not crooked, greedy CEOs lining their wallets, although I won't deny that plenty of that happens.

The screwed up thing is that it's clear Obama wants to help these bankers, or at least keep their companies alive. But, as I see it, they're making it as hard on him as they possibly can from a PR standpoint, which is all that matters in politics.

We can't create a "bad bank" to relieve troubled financial institutions of their depressed assets if they're paying out $18.4 billion in "bonuses." It just looks terrible. So here's my advice to Wall Street: help us help you.

Stop paying bonuses.

Call them something else.

Think of something boring like "annual performance-adjusted block compensation."


I know "bonus" sounds sexy, but that's precisely what's wrong with the term.

A little verbal magic and this whole problem goes away.





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« Reply #587 on: January 30, 2009, 04:37:10 PM »


Ron Paul Owns socialist biatch. 

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« Reply #588 on: January 30, 2009, 04:58:20 PM »
Why do you bother posting that shit.  Honestly, are you, like, a masochist?  Do you enjoy verbal berating?
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« Reply #589 on: January 30, 2009, 05:02:38 PM »
McCain is saying he doesn't see any REP votes for the stimulus bill in the senate.
Does it matter? They are on the verge of losing their filibuster power anyway (politico says those close to gregg say he'll accept if obama asks him, no way obama will pass this up).

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« Reply #590 on: January 30, 2009, 06:05:25 PM »
Steele probably hates poor people and wants to see them die.
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« Reply #591 on: January 30, 2009, 11:16:58 PM »
horrible shit :-X :yuck

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« Reply #592 on: January 30, 2009, 11:18:28 PM »
Obama considering deal that would turn down 60 seat possibility?

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According to First Read, the possible nomination of Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) as President Obama's secretary of commerce is "very real."

"Senate Republicans are upset that he hasn't put the story to bed. So clearly he's pondering. One sticking point is that New Hampshire has a Dem governor, John Lynch, and that could give Democrats 60 seats if Gregg leaves and Al Franken eventually wins. One idea floating out there is a deal between Obama/Gregg and Lynch to appoint a caretaker Republican (perhaps ex-Sen. Warren Rudman?). Even if he doesn't take the job, Gregg is certainly sending the signal that he doesn't want to run in 2010. That is a terrible sign for the Senate GOP. Another retirement makes the idea of netting a single seat in 2010 nearly impossible. This likely outcome in 2010 actually could mean Lynch and Obama are open to a deal that keeps a Republican in the seat until November 2010, since getting that 60th senate seat in the coming years seems probable."

CQ Politics quotes Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) saying the appointment would be "a pretty sneaky, sneaky move to get a really good person as Commerce secretary and put us in a bind politically."
http://politicalwire.com/

Sounds like something he'd do
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« Reply #593 on: January 30, 2009, 11:30:42 PM »
It is ridiculous that marijuana isn't legal yet. There's no excuse really.
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« Reply #594 on: January 30, 2009, 11:51:26 PM »
I doubt that a 60 seat majority would make it legal.  A "filibuster-proof" majority is also not necessarily the best idea in general anyways.  This will turn the remaining repubs redder and could make a few dems on the fence on certain issues the swing vote.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #595 on: January 31, 2009, 12:13:25 AM »
Joe Biden used to be big on war on drugs shit, right?  We aren't getting legal weed anytime soon.
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brawndolicious

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #596 on: January 31, 2009, 12:28:59 AM »
He kind of went too far with the Reducing Americans Vulnerability to Ecstasy (RAVE) act but in general, he mainly seems to be opposed to pills, steroids, and date-rape drugs.  I honestly can't see him crusading against weed.

recursivelyenumerable

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #597 on: January 31, 2009, 02:17:19 AM »
i think public opinion polls for marijuana legalization are at like 40% these days?  we'll probably get it in 10-15 years or so.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #598 on: January 31, 2009, 03:16:15 AM »
Obama won't legalize it in a million years, regardless of 60 seats.

Everyone I know who complains about weed not being legal has a steady connect. Whiny bastards
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« Reply #599 on: January 31, 2009, 07:15:07 AM »
siamesedreamer:

Why do roads count as stimulus but schools don't?

Why should education spending be addressed only in education bills, but transportation spending is allowed to be included in the stimulus bill?

Does spending somehow not boost aggregate demand when it goes towards teaching?

Please explain your logic.




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what is it with posturing libertarians and their straw men?

This is a great help to my Liberal Argument Bingo Card. I am just a "cognitive dissonance" and a bar graph away from calling Bingo.

Nah, he nailed you.

Prole says the government shouldn't be giving out a ridiculous subsidy to new car buyers, and you respond with "well guess ya don't want a manufacturing base har har har."

If you don't want to call that a straw man, it's at least as obvious a false dichotomy as you'll find round this corner of the net.
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