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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #900 on: February 06, 2009, 10:16:30 PM »
You're just unbelievable.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #901 on: February 06, 2009, 10:16:56 PM »
I don't know anything about the auto mfgs but my company sent a few servicemen and linemen to work on that ice storm.  They get such benefits like double time, $54 per meal (if they don't spend it all, they can just pocket it), and man, after finding out some of their yearly incomes, I thought about switching professions.  Some higher end union labor employees can make $150,000/yr
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #902 on: February 06, 2009, 10:18:50 PM »
Come on man, it's apples and oranges here ... You're talking about companies that have to pay for R&D, marketing, lawyers, and countless other hidden expenses from governmental regulations that these "make up" jobs don't even have to incur.

I was also being generous with crediting this plan for "saving" or creating 3 million jobs .. since it's not a number that will be 100% certifiable anyways ... nor do we truly know the final cost of this as gross  government overruns are the standard course for all of this kind of stuff. This plan could end up 20-30 percent more than they are currently stating today.



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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #903 on: February 06, 2009, 10:22:49 PM »
Thanks to infrastructure improvement, businesses are going to have to eat a lot of money moving underground cables, piping, etc. to any new right-of-ways.  That or pass the costs onto consumers, whatever businesses can get away with.

Unless that is Obama's plan: to stimulate the economy by creating new contractor firms to be able to do all this stuff
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #904 on: February 06, 2009, 10:26:06 PM »
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Come on man, it's apples and oranges here ... You're talking about companies that have to pay for R&D, marketing, lawyers, and countless other hidden expenses from governmental regulations that these "make up" jobs don't even have to incur.

why don't they have to incur them?  as far as I can see, there's no reason a job shouldn't have the same expenses associated with it whether it's being done in the private or public sector.  obviously, things like marketing carry a somewhat different meaning, but they're still there in some sense.

anyway, my point was just that dividing numbers by other numbers isn't necessarily going to yield meaningful results.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2009, 10:33:34 PM by recursivelyenumerable »
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« Reply #905 on: February 06, 2009, 10:59:49 PM »
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You're talking about companies that have to pay for R&D, marketing, lawyers, and countless other hidden expenses

Which should account for more than half that cost. I'm pretty sure he was just trying to prove a comparable average. It's definately eye opening considering the average.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #906 on: February 06, 2009, 11:22:56 PM »
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I'm pretty sure he was just trying to prove a comparable average.

mostly I was just trying to "prove" that costs / # jobs = misleading
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #907 on: February 07, 2009, 12:32:16 AM »
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Only the American government could figure out how to make each job saved/created cost 250,000 dollars.

well, looking at the wikipedia entry for Ford for example, their costs per employee per 3 years appear to be 175.178B / 245k * 3 = $2.14 million / job.
Microsoft = 42.74B / 89,809 * 3 = $1.43M/job

but carry on

But if ford fails the american people dont foot the bill...

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #908 on: February 07, 2009, 12:39:04 AM »
mmkay
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« Reply #909 on: February 07, 2009, 01:38:44 AM »
bububut COPS!

and EDUCATIONATORS!

Thank gawd for them especially. They were the only sector (besides healthcare) to add jobs. At that rate we'll be out of this thing in no time - like 30 years maybe. Hell, why don't we all become teachers? Y'all down? I hear the pensions are great (if you plan on retiring in the next 3 months before they all implode).

Yes We Can!

Lordy lordy, butthurt past the point of coherence.  Not that he had terribly far to go.

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Before you accuse everyone else of being a crybaby for pointing at you and laughing, sd, understand that's as subtle and effective a reversal as Synbios executing a judo throw.
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Re: You weren't around to see what happened to FoC, were you?
« Reply #910 on: February 07, 2009, 01:50:47 AM »
Every private job has a salary paid for by money taken away from customers.

But only because the customer can afford it. And never through force or threats (like taxes).


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If Republicans can advocate letting the rich keep more of their money as a way of creating wealth when pretty much most evidence shows that they just sock it away somewhere, then by gawd I can advocate taking that money and using it to employ people instead.

What you are saying is that it is okay to take money from the people who create it and give it to people need it. Redistribution of wealth here we come.


Um actually you were talking about giving it to people who provide services to society and PROTECT FREEDOMMMMM overseas.

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« Reply #911 on: February 07, 2009, 01:51:19 AM »
To be fair, as someone with several belts in Judo, I don't think that's even possible.
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« Reply #912 on: February 07, 2009, 02:00:17 AM »
You know, I thought there was an understanding.  In light of the crash, nobody would make blanket statements about the superiority and efficiency of private markets.

No way that stuff can pass the laugh test any more, if it ever did.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #913 on: February 07, 2009, 02:17:09 AM »
so did the $15k/home subsidy get in?  and who's responsible?  and what forms of torture is he likely to be especially sensitive to?
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #914 on: February 07, 2009, 02:31:31 AM »
They need 60.  With Franken and Ted Kennedy out, they have 57, assuming all the dems go for it.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #915 on: February 07, 2009, 02:57:36 AM »
If this fails I will flip more than the time the first bailout bill failed.
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« Reply #916 on: February 07, 2009, 03:58:34 AM »
so did the $15k/home subsidy get in?  and who's responsible?  and what forms of torture is he likely to be especially sensitive to?

Probably; industry lobbies via the GOP and blue dogs; under the fingernails is a really sensitive spot.

When did they stop making Senators actually filibuster when they block cloture?  Used to be considered a somewhat extraordinary tactic but now it's just a given that something needs 60 votes to pass the Senate.

Oh, and have any of the centrist group explained the actual logic behind the cuts they're demanding?  The preliminary list I saw looked dumb.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #917 on: February 07, 2009, 04:02:34 AM »
This seems as good a place to ask as any. Is Mandark actually a member of Mossad, or was that a joke?

Yep.  And I'm a member of Propaganda Due.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #918 on: February 07, 2009, 04:13:10 AM »
This seems as good a place to ask as any. Is Mandark actually a member of Mossad, or was that a joke?

Actually he's a janitor at Oral Roberts
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #919 on: February 07, 2009, 04:17:09 AM »
Man, I can't imagine the torment Oral Roberts went through in elementary and high school due to his name.   I guess he's kinda the one person with which you could have Oral sex without using your mouth.
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« Reply #920 on: February 07, 2009, 04:18:51 AM »
I'm actually director of the Bohemian Grove.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #921 on: February 07, 2009, 04:57:11 AM »
i'm really, really, really, really unhappy about this situation.
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« Reply #922 on: February 07, 2009, 05:01:58 AM »
Nelson/Collins memo on stimulus cuts.

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/stimulus-package/latest-cuts-to-the-stim-package-head-start-child-nutrition-food-stamps-public-transit/

Total Reductions: $80 billion

Eliminations:

Head Start, Education for the Disadvantaged, School improvement, Child Nutrition, Firefighters, Transportation Security Administration, Coast Guard, Prisons, COPS Hiring, Violence Against Women, NASA, NSF, Western Area Power Administration, CDC, Food Stamps

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Reductions:

Public Transit $3.4 billion, School Construction $60 billion

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Increases:

Defense operations and procurement, STAG Grants, Brownfields, Additional transportation funding






What the FUCK, guys?

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #923 on: February 07, 2009, 06:06:46 AM »
i'm sort of agnostic about the whole notion of stimulus.  Keynesian economics never made much sense to me.  my main concern is that if they're going to be spending a ton of money, they spend it on things that are actually worthwhile, not on further propping up excessive house/car/highway construction, financial elites, corporate elites, etc. 
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #924 on: February 07, 2009, 08:30:50 AM »
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« Reply #925 on: February 07, 2009, 09:39:27 AM »
Has nobody told the Republicans that tax cuts won't stimulate the economy if none of us have jobs to pay taxes with?
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« Reply #926 on: February 07, 2009, 10:26:31 AM »
Has nobody told the Republicans that tax cuts won't stimulate the economy if none of us have jobs to pay taxes with?

So we shouldn't cut taxes because some people dont work and they need the money the most?

So instead of rewarding the people with jobs wish should punish people who work and reward those who do not. Yeah that makes sense.

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« Reply #927 on: February 07, 2009, 10:42:28 AM »
Has nobody told the Republicans that tax cuts won't stimulate the economy if none of us have jobs to pay taxes with?

So we shouldn't cut taxes because some people dont work and they need the money the most?

So instead of rewarding the people with jobs wish should punish people who work and reward those who do not. Yeah that makes sense.

Perhaps you don't understand this - but it's not "some" people, it's a lot of people.  And it's mostly lower middle class and impoverished folks, whom if their numbers continue to rise, will be unable to line the pockets of the upper middle class and wealthy.

So - duh! - it is in our best interests to get these folks jobs.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #928 on: February 07, 2009, 10:48:27 AM »
Who's butthurt? Not me.

This thing was always a done deal. I'm actually kinda pumped because it virtually ensures Obama's tenure will only be one term.

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« Reply #929 on: February 07, 2009, 10:51:24 AM »
Has nobody told the Republicans that tax cuts won't stimulate the economy if none of us have jobs to pay taxes with?

So we shouldn't cut taxes because some people dont work and they need the money the most?

So instead of rewarding the people with jobs wish should punish people who work and reward those who do not. Yeah that makes sense.

Perhaps you don't understand this - but it's not "some" people, it's a lot of people.  And it's mostly lower middle class and impoverished folks, whom if their numbers continue to rise, will be unable to line the pockets of the upper middle class and wealthy.

So - duh! - it is in our best interests to get these folks jobs.

Class warfare go!!!

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #930 on: February 07, 2009, 11:07:52 AM »
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Fannie Mae, the mortgage-finance company under U.S. government control, will loosen rules for homeowners seeking to lower their loan payments by refinancing.

Fannie Mae will drop some credit-score requirements, reduce income-documentation standards and waive the need for appraisals in some cases, according to a notice yesterday to lenders posted on the Washington-based company’s Web site. The changes apply to loans that the company owns or guarantees.

The company, which accounts for more than 40 percent of the $12 trillion in U.S. residential mortgage debt, is seeking to break a “logjam” in refinancing and allow more homeowners to take advantage of near-record low interest rates, according to Brian Faith, a Fannie Mae spokesman. The increased flexibility for consumers isn’t large enough to significantly harm mortgage- bond investors and mortgage insurers, analysts said.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aTu9HA5cZgQ4&refer=home

What could go wrong?

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #931 on: February 07, 2009, 11:17:47 AM »
Who's butthurt? Not me.

This thing was always a done deal. I'm actually kinda pumped because it virtually ensures Obama's tenure will only be one term.



Not so fast, my friend!
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #932 on: February 07, 2009, 11:20:25 AM »
DIE!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #933 on: February 07, 2009, 11:36:27 AM »
If she's your nominee, you're gonna get your asses whupped again 2008 style, at least in the Presidential.  And you know this.  Also, if the economy rebounds even slightly (and since history and logic dictates it will to some extent) it's gonna be tough for you guys.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #934 on: February 07, 2009, 11:48:23 AM »
If she's your nominee, you're gonna get your asses whupped again 2008 style, at least in the Presidential.  And you know this.  Also, if the economy rebounds even slightly (and since history and logic dictates it will to some extent) it's gonna be tough for you guys.
Pretty much. The public rewards (and punishes) their government based on the economy regardless if they deserve it or not, and  if it improves at all then Obama has a 1996 style easy re-election waiting for him.

I honestly can't see how sd sees Obama as some sort of obvious one termer, the only way that is possible is if the economy continues to be in shambles for a whole fucking four more years, which is near impossible.

The fact the economy began to fall apart a year before he got elected and not in the middle of his first time was a miracle for him politically.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #935 on: February 07, 2009, 11:54:59 AM »
Has nobody told the Republicans that tax cuts won't stimulate the economy if none of us have jobs to pay taxes with?

So we shouldn't cut taxes because some people dont work and they need the money the most?

So instead of rewarding the people with jobs wish should punish people who work and reward those who do not. Yeah that makes sense.

Perhaps you don't understand this - but it's not "some" people, it's a lot of people.  And it's mostly lower middle class and impoverished folks, whom if their numbers continue to rise, will be unable to line the pockets of the upper middle class and wealthy.

So - duh! - it is in our best interests to get these folks jobs.

Class warfare go!!!

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #936 on: February 07, 2009, 11:59:12 AM »
I honestly think Palin will have a hard time getting past New Hampshire.

And what gives both of you any confidence the economy will be "good" by 2012?

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #937 on: February 07, 2009, 12:02:46 PM »
I honestly think Palin will have a hard time getting past New Hampshire.

And what gives both of you any confidence the economy will be "good" by 2012?
The fact the economy doesn't tend to fall apart for over 4 years straight?

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #938 on: February 07, 2009, 12:11:15 PM »
That's not a very good argument when the comparisons are to 1929 and 1873.

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« Reply #939 on: February 07, 2009, 12:11:38 PM »
I honestly think Palin will have a hard time getting past New Hampshire.

And what gives both of you any confidence the economy will be "good" by 2012?

Huckabee won Iowa, lots of fundie dingbats out there.  She'll cake walk to an easy South Carolina win, that's 2 out of the first 4.  You guys are in a pretty terrible position- you have no really credible party leaders/candidates, and your ideas suck.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #940 on: February 07, 2009, 12:12:05 PM »
Palin wont be the nominee

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« Reply #941 on: February 07, 2009, 12:14:18 PM »
Palin wont be the nominee

Probably not, but you guys don't have anyone credible to BE the nominee.  Plus the states that a Dem has won over the past 5 general elections add up to 240something electoral votes, gonna be tough for you wankers to do anything about it.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #942 on: February 07, 2009, 12:24:42 PM »
Palin wont be the nominee

Probably not, but you guys don't have anyone credible to BE the nominee.  Plus the states that a Dem has won over the past 5 general elections add up to 240something electoral votes, gonna be tough for you wankers to do anything about it.

I really think there is gonna be something akin to a mini 1994 during the next cycle. Especially after this whole stimulus bill debacle.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #943 on: February 07, 2009, 12:25:44 PM »
peggy noonan's wsj meltdown is even etter than sd's!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123388255500354969.html
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #944 on: February 07, 2009, 12:26:10 PM »
Palin wont be the nominee

Probably not, but you guys don't have anyone credible to BE the nominee.  Plus the states that a Dem has won over the past 5 general elections add up to 240something electoral votes, gonna be tough for you wankers to do anything about it.

I really think there is gonna be something akin to a mini 1994 during the next cycle. Especially after this whole stimulus bill debacle.
Yeah and 1994 didn't stop Clinton from being re-elected now did it?

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #945 on: February 07, 2009, 12:26:37 PM »
Well polling shows that Dems and Independents are siding with the Dems on this 'debacle' and that 80% of Americans expect the bailout to take over a year to show results. So when is this blowback going to happen?

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« Reply #946 on: February 07, 2009, 12:29:24 PM »
Well polling shows that Dems and Independents are siding with the Dems on this 'debacle' and that 80% of Americans expect the bailout to take over a year to show results. So when is this blowback going to happen?

After Ronald Reagan rides in on a unicorn and farts rainbows of gold at the Democrats.
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« Reply #947 on: February 07, 2009, 12:31:32 PM »
there are many stages to grief, friends, and libertardians still see breath in the corpse of laissez-faire economics. we call this stage "denial". we're getting to "anger" pretty quick, though, so hey: progress!
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #948 on: February 07, 2009, 12:31:39 PM »
Wow sd, only two weeks into his first term and your already convinced he's a one termer.  You're distinguished mentally-challenged.

You do know that public support is fairly high for this, right?  
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #949 on: February 07, 2009, 12:31:44 PM »
Palin wont be the nominee

Probably not, but you guys don't have anyone credible to BE the nominee.  Plus the states that a Dem has won over the past 5 general elections add up to 240something electoral votes, gonna be tough for you wankers to do anything about it.

I really think there is gonna be something akin to a mini 1994 during the next cycle. Especially after this whole stimulus bill debacle.
Yeah and 1994 didn't stop Clinton from being re-elected now did it?

Is Ross Perot coming back?



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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #950 on: February 07, 2009, 12:35:55 PM »
Palin wont be the nominee

Probably not, but you guys don't have anyone credible to BE the nominee.  Plus the states that a Dem has won over the past 5 general elections add up to 240something electoral votes, gonna be tough for you wankers to do anything about it.

I really think there is gonna be something akin to a mini 1994 during the next cycle. Especially after this whole stimulus bill debacle.
Yeah and 1994 didn't stop Clinton from being re-elected now did it?

Is Ross Perot coming back?




:rofl

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #951 on: February 07, 2009, 12:38:07 PM »
Palin wont be the nominee

Probably not, but you guys don't have anyone credible to BE the nominee.  Plus the states that a Dem has won over the past 5 general elections add up to 240something electoral votes, gonna be tough for you wankers to do anything about it.

I really think there is gonna be something akin to a mini 1994 during the next cycle. Especially after this whole stimulus bill debacle.
Yeah and 1994 didn't stop Clinton from being re-elected now did it?

Is Ross Perot coming back?

Dur dur dur.

Clinton 49.2% 379 evs
Dole 40.7% 159 evs
Perot 8.4% 0 evs

I think you're thinking of maybe 92.  Either that or you're an idiot.  Or both.  Probably both.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #952 on: February 07, 2009, 12:38:56 PM »
Palin wont be the nominee

Probably not, but you guys don't have anyone credible to BE the nominee.  Plus the states that a Dem has won over the past 5 general elections add up to 240something electoral votes, gonna be tough for you wankers to do anything about it.

I really think there is gonna be something akin to a mini 1994 during the next cycle. Especially after this whole stimulus bill debacle.
Yeah and 1994 didn't stop Clinton from being re-elected now did it?

Is Ross Perot coming back?



You are a fucking idiot.

Clinton - 49.24%
Dole - 40.71%
Perot - 8.40%

Give Dole 100% of the Perot voters (which in reality would not have happened, a lot would have not vote and a decent chunk based on polling would vote Clinton) and CLINTON STILL WINS.

Idiot.


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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #953 on: February 07, 2009, 12:40:53 PM »
lol

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #954 on: February 07, 2009, 12:41:31 PM »
Even if it was 1992, the point is debatable

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #955 on: February 07, 2009, 12:42:56 PM »
There is no logic in such debate.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #956 on: February 07, 2009, 12:43:42 PM »
beardo decimated

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #957 on: February 07, 2009, 12:44:17 PM »
beardo decimated

And you KNOW you're talking out of your ass if it's me and fucking CHEEBS doing the decimating.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #958 on: February 07, 2009, 12:45:28 PM »
We won't be seeing him for a page or two

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« Reply #959 on: February 07, 2009, 12:47:02 PM »
And he can't play the "I was talking about 1992!" card either because he brought it up in the context of 1994's impact on Clinton's re-election, he is just stupid.