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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1200 on: February 11, 2009, 03:32:02 PM »
What does medical records being on computers have to do with guns?

Also do they realize their medical records are already recorded (just on paper)? That's why they are called RECORDS.


wtf.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1201 on: February 11, 2009, 03:33:21 PM »
I want Alzheimers patients to be fully armed

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1202 on: February 11, 2009, 03:38:04 PM »

Why do we need refineries, anyway?  Are they really the limiting factor in current or future US oil production?

What GC said. Over the past 30 years the amount of refineries has been cut in half, but consumption has increased. In that time, Big oil has slowly gobbled up all the independent refineries and leaned on government to close down others. A handful of companies now control a vast majority of the capacity in America. Environmentalists and NIMBY thinking hasn't helped matters either.

From a national security standpoint, it's ridiculous that a natural disaster in one small area of the country can cripple supplies for weeks at a time.

Check out this link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jamie-court/memos-show-oil-companies-_b_6980.html

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« Reply #1203 on: February 11, 2009, 04:15:32 PM »
Okay, but agglomeration and consolidation are separate issues.

I don't see expanding the long-term oil infrastructure as a terribly smart move at this stage of the game.

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1204 on: February 11, 2009, 04:16:00 PM »
What does medical records being on computers have to do with guns?

Also do they realize their medical records are already recorded (just on paper)? That's why they are called RECORDS.


wtf.

I bet millions of people are going to wind up believing this bullshit. Who would think that such a simple, common sense thing like this could be flipped on its head to mean LOL NO MORE GUNS.

I file patient info at my dad's practice and it's a fucking pain.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1206 on: February 11, 2009, 06:50:10 PM »
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« Reply #1207 on: February 11, 2009, 06:52:10 PM »
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1208 on: February 11, 2009, 06:52:14 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/10/julio-osegueda-florida-co_n_165673.html
wtf  :lol

finally

the left's Joe The Plumber

let's turn this kid into a left wing media darling

Too late, he was on Countdown with Keith Olbermann last night.
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« Reply #1209 on: February 11, 2009, 06:52:28 PM »
They can interview him from the drive through.
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« Reply #1210 on: February 11, 2009, 06:54:52 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/10/julio-osegueda-florida-co_n_165673.html
wtf  :lol

finally

the left's Joe The Plumber

let's turn this kid into a left wing media darling

Too late, he was on Countdown with Keith Olbermann last night.

hell yeah

now let's send him to israel to report on some conflict there or something
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« Reply #1211 on: February 11, 2009, 06:58:08 PM »
We should send him to Darfur.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1212 on: February 11, 2009, 07:04:06 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009#cite_note-16
The current Wikipedia entry for ARRA has a whole section on health IT reform for which the cites are all to a WSJ editorial.  wtf

I might fix it later.
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« Reply #1213 on: February 11, 2009, 08:07:22 PM »
We should send him to Darfur.

more like retardarfur, amirite?
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« Reply #1214 on: February 12, 2009, 12:03:59 AM »
meanwhile, republicans don't know when the great depression happened http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/02/steve_austria_r_oh_doesnt_know_when_the_depression_happened.php

Eh, I'm willing to believe he meant "made it worse" rather than "caused it."  You gotta be charitable towards live speech and how easy it is to screw up.

The real problem is the underlying meme, that FDR's policies harmed the economy.  Amity Shlaes has been a one-woman revisionism movement on this, for example, and most conservatives are willing to hop on board.

This debate has clarified why it's important to fight over the past.  You let people rewrite it to suit themselves, and it leads to real consequences later.  Take all that mythos about how we were just about to win in Vietnam cause we had finally sussed out the counterinsurgency racket, which fed directly into the willingness to invade/continue occupying Iraq.

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« Reply #1215 on: February 12, 2009, 12:11:01 AM »
meanwhile, republicans don't know when the great depression happened http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/02/steve_austria_r_oh_doesnt_know_when_the_depression_happened.php

Eh, I'm willing to believe he meant "made it worse" rather than "caused it."  You gotta be charitable towards live speech and how easy it is to screw up.

The real problem is the underlying meme, that FDR's policies harmed the economy.  Amity Shlaes has been a one-woman revisionism movement on this, for example, and most conservatives are willing to hop on board.

This debate has clarified why it's important to fight over the past.  You let people rewrite it to suit themselves, and it leads to real consequences later.  Take all that mythos about how we were just about to win in Vietnam cause we had finally sussed out the counterinsurgency racket, which fed directly into the willingness to invade/continue occupying Iraq.

Hey we had Obama in front of 50 million Americans outright mock the people who claim FDR's policies harmed the economy at least. So that was addressed as publicly as possible.

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« Reply #1216 on: February 12, 2009, 12:51:13 AM »
Whaaa!! I work at McDonalds and I don't get benefits. Please Obama do something!! Hey taco, try getting a real job.

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« Reply #1217 on: February 12, 2009, 12:52:47 AM »
Whaaa!! I work at McDonalds and I don't get benefits. Please Obama do something!!


Hey distinguished effete fellow, try getting a real job. (Image removed from quote.)


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« Reply #1218 on: February 12, 2009, 10:50:26 AM »
Whaaa!! I work at McDonalds and I don't get benefits. Please Obama do something!!


Hey distinguished effete fellow, try getting a real job. (Image removed from quote.)



:rofl

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« Reply #1219 on: February 12, 2009, 01:23:30 PM »
So....sd still going to claim that more people are against this package than for it like you kept doing for a few pages?



33% opposition.  :lol Basically the same as the amount of people who still approve of the job Bush did. The very definition of dead-enders.

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« Reply #1220 on: February 12, 2009, 01:26:52 PM »
It's so hilarious when I look in the paper and see conservatives columnists and cartoonists seriously suggesting that Obama is now hated, honeymoon over, etc., and that everyone hates the stimulus package but OBAMA IS FORCING IT ON US.
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1221 on: February 12, 2009, 01:30:49 PM »
"41% of Americans either don't support or don't have an opinion on the stimulus. That's nearly half the country "
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« Reply #1222 on: February 12, 2009, 01:40:53 PM »
Hmm, pretty interesting stuff I found on PoliGAF of all places:

Iceland, who took up massive free-market economics in the early 90's, was one of the first and hardest hit countries:
http://www.progressive-economics.ca/2008/10/14/milton-and-the-meltdown-in-iceland/

Meanwhile, France, who has long resisted free-market economics, is having the smallest drop out of any European nation:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123439232046574705.html
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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1223 on: February 12, 2009, 01:53:03 PM »
I really had hoped that once Obama was president I wouldn't see fucking gallup polls anymore. I don't give a fuck what America thinks. 4/10 of them couldn't even tell you who the vice president is.


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« Reply #1224 on: February 12, 2009, 01:53:18 PM »
:bow socialism :bow2


:piss free-market nerds :piss2
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« Reply #1225 on: February 12, 2009, 02:04:01 PM »
I really had hoped that once Obama was president I wouldn't see fucking gallup polls anymore. I don't give a fuck what America thinks. 4/10 of them couldn't even tell you who the vice president is.


I posted it mostly because sd kept posting that poll that "only 37%" of the country supported the stimulus.

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« Reply #1226 on: February 12, 2009, 02:22:07 PM »
:bow socialist nerds :bow2
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« Reply #1227 on: February 12, 2009, 02:35:48 PM »
Why are you creating fake arguments? Oh - my subjective poll is more accurate than your subjective poll!

Insert [SD ANNIHILATED] weeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!

As I stated yesterday, the bill is done and the only thing that matters going forward are the results. Let's see how the numbers look this time next year.  




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« Reply #1228 on: February 12, 2009, 02:41:36 PM »
Pelosi and Reid are a friggin joke.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/02/dissension_on_t.html

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Dissension on the stimulus
 
While President Obama and the Senate are fine with the stimulus deal that appears headed for final votes in Congress on Friday and Obama's signature on Monday, the House is another matter.

And it's not just Republicans, who unanimously opposed the bill the first time around and continue to rail against the deal struck by the House-Senate conference committee on Wednesday.

Some House Democrats are upset with some of the changes made to preserve the support of three Republicans in the Senate, who wield virtual veto-power.

And there are reports that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was ticked off that Harry Reid, the top Senate Democrat, announced the compromise Wednesday afternoon before her rank-and-file had signed off. She is expected to say more at a 3 p.m. news conference.

Meanwhile, top House Republican John Boehner's office released a statement with the accusation: "Democrats pile up the pork, but leave scraps for small business."


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« Reply #1229 on: February 12, 2009, 02:45:35 PM »
:drudge
Source my be illsuited for sreaming crybabies:drudge

Federal employee whistleblower protection was stripped from the stimulus bill.

http://www.federaltimes.com/federal-times-blog/2009/02/11/no-whistleblower-protections-for-feds-in-stimulus/

That's really encouraging. Shows you how much money they think this thing wastes. Still waiting for hopenchange.

bubububut recovery.gov  ::)
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« Reply #1230 on: February 12, 2009, 02:50:26 PM »
:drudge
Source my be illsuited for sreaming crybabies:drudge

Federal employee whistleblower protection was stripped from the stimulus bill.

http://www.federaltimes.com/federal-times-blog/2009/02/11/no-whistleblower-protections-for-feds-in-stimulus/

That's really encouraging. Shows you how much money they think this thing wastes. Still waiting for hopenchange.

bubububut recovery.gov  ::)

it's spelled "screaming"

but following their link back just shows one sentence stating it was removed.  kind of curious as to why that is.

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« Reply #1231 on: February 12, 2009, 02:52:27 PM »
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Talking Points Memo, which cited a source close to the final bill, said the provision was removed by Republican Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), one of the senators brokering the compromise.

 :teehee

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Whisteblower_protections_stripped_from_stimulus_bill_0212.html

oh those rascals!

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I for one welcome this newfound interest in government transparency
« Reply #1232 on: February 12, 2009, 03:00:47 PM »
Let's all feign surprise that Republican legislators oppose whistleblower protections.

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« Reply #1233 on: February 12, 2009, 03:01:12 PM »
So she switches sides to get the bill through then cuts out an important provision for protecting the taxpayer. You just can't make this stuff up.  :usacry

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Re: so, Obama is president
« Reply #1234 on: February 12, 2009, 03:01:18 PM »
SD annihilated
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« Reply #1235 on: February 12, 2009, 03:03:58 PM »
Can we nuke DC yet?  I mean really, these people suck.  :maf
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« Reply #1236 on: February 12, 2009, 03:04:30 PM »
So she switches sides to get the bill through then cuts out an important provision for protecting the taxpayer. You just can't make this stuff up.  :usacry


she's probably a democratic double agent who ran as a republican because obama knew he'd need more than 60 to push through his illegal socialist agenda.
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« Reply #1237 on: February 12, 2009, 03:04:59 PM »
Oh - my subjective poll is more accurate than your subjective poll!

Actually sir mine IS more accurate because it was taken after Obama's address to the nation, and it is in line with EVERY poll released so far except one, your old one being the outlier.

So yes, mine is more accurate.

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« Reply #1238 on: February 12, 2009, 03:10:27 PM »
she's probably a democratic double agent who ran as a republican because obama knew he'd need more than 60 to push through his illegal socialist agenda.

Whatever she is, Obama will still get all the glory or blame for what happens.

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« Reply #1239 on: February 12, 2009, 03:11:19 PM »
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« Reply #1240 on: February 12, 2009, 03:12:43 PM »
she's probably a democratic double agent who ran as a republican because obama knew he'd need more than 60 to push through his illegal socialist agenda.

Whatever she is, Obama will still get all the glory or blame for what happens.
You seem to forget, it doesn't matter if the package works amazingly.

As long as the economy improves AT ALL in the next 4 years is all that matters. If the economy is better in Nov 2012 than it is in Jan 2009 then Obama and the package will be seen as genius, regardless if the stimulus package "worked".

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« Reply #1241 on: February 12, 2009, 03:16:16 PM »
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Talking Points Memo, which cited a source close to the final bill, said the provision was removed by Republican Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), one of the senators brokering the compromise.

 :teehee

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Whisteblower_protections_stripped_from_stimulus_bill_0212.html

oh those rascals!



lmfao, SD should just give up

You just can't make this stuff up.

Well, you gave it your best shot

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« Reply #1242 on: February 12, 2009, 03:16:32 PM »
I read (on TPM?) that the centrists behind the Senate compromise are all from states with governors of the opposite party.  That would go a long way towards explaining why they cut the state aid in half, despite it being some of the most effective spending.

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« Reply #1243 on: February 12, 2009, 03:18:57 PM »
Poor sd, in 2012 when the economy is showing improvement shouting "BUT THE STIMULUS DIDNT WORK" will do jackshit.

Unless you actually think there will be no improvement at all for 5 years straight.

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« Reply #1244 on: February 12, 2009, 03:20:55 PM »
I'm still having trouble as to why the whistleblower protection cut was agreed to. The DEMs are writing it. Why don't they put it in?

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« Reply #1245 on: February 12, 2009, 03:21:58 PM »
I'm still having trouble as to why the whistleblower protection cut was agreed to. The DEMs are writing it. Why don't they put it in?
Because they need the 3 republican senators and one of them wanted it out?

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« Reply #1246 on: February 12, 2009, 03:22:04 PM »
I'm still having trouble as to why the whistleblower protection cut was agreed to. The DEMs are writing it. Why don't they put it in?

If only they'd gotten a 60 seat majority, right SD?

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« Reply #1247 on: February 12, 2009, 03:23:35 PM »
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There's still gotta be some way to blame this on the other team, right?

You gotta admire his tenacity.

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« Reply #1248 on: February 12, 2009, 03:25:00 PM »
Poor sd, in 2012 when the economy is showing improvement shouting "BUT THE STIMULUS DIDNT WORK" will do jackshit.

Unless you actually think there will be no improvement at all for 5 years straight.

Show me a time when the economy didn't bounce back from a recession? Heck, Bush Sr. didn't do a damn thing during his (because he didn't believe it existed) and it still bounced back.

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« Reply #1249 on: February 12, 2009, 03:28:56 PM »
i wonder if we could create a moral outrage bubble of some sort?

"guys, outrage NEVER goes down!"
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« Reply #1250 on: February 12, 2009, 03:29:07 PM »
Unless you actually think there will be no improvement at all for 5 years straight.

I don't know.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7880189.stm
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10158959-38.html

Some smart people are saying some really scary things.

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« Reply #1251 on: February 12, 2009, 03:30:59 PM »
i wonder if we could create a moral outrage bubble of some sort?

"guys, outrage NEVER goes down!"

GET ME 10K SHARES OF RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION!  IT'S GOING THROUGH THE ROOF!
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« Reply #1252 on: February 12, 2009, 03:38:05 PM »
The TPM thing is weird.

http://www.whistleblower.org/content/press_detail.cfm?press_id=1161

Why would she sponsor that, but want it taken out for the stimulus? Something isn't adding up.

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« Reply #1253 on: February 12, 2009, 03:43:13 PM »
Just throwin this out there, but how can you be both a socialist and an elitist?

you guys is weird  :-\

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« Reply #1254 on: February 12, 2009, 04:18:24 PM »
Judd Gregg has withdrawn his nomination for Commerce Secretary.

Cites 2010 Census Obama power grab as one of the reasons...

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« Reply #1255 on: February 12, 2009, 04:27:02 PM »
Fuck Gregg then. After the dirty politics Tom Delay and friends did with redistricting after the last census republicans have forfeited any right to complain about the White House doing this.

Glad the White House has far more in control over this, we need to make sure hispanics and other minorities get better representation in the House. This census should do that.

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« Reply #1257 on: February 12, 2009, 04:52:24 PM »
Fuck Gregg then. After the dirty politics Tom Delay and friends did with redistricting after the last census republicans have forfeited any right to complain about the White House doing this.

Glad the White House has far more in control over this, we need to make sure hispanics and other minorities get better representation in the House. This census should do that.

Where's the CHANGE in preforming Delay-lite feats of census trickeration?  :smug
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« Reply #1258 on: February 12, 2009, 04:52:41 PM »
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i wonder if we could create a moral outrage bubble of some sort?

"guys, outrage NEVER goes down!"

genius.
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« Reply #1259 on: February 12, 2009, 04:58:01 PM »
:piss http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29165435/ :piss2

 
I could piss on the subsidization part too, but banks need to let people re-structure loans. Fuck the banks.
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