Author Topic: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report! (Read 46329 times)

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #360 on:** December 27, 2009, 07:03:38 PM »

Edgar is REALLY REALLY awesome, but it's so hard for me to gauge how much being only a DH should hurt him. The guy couldn't have even played in the NL for most of his career.

So would you agree with Malek and I, Triumph?

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #361 on:** December 27, 2009, 07:04:57 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 27, 2009, 07:03:38 PM

Edgar is REALLY REALLY awesome, but it's so hard for me to gauge how much being only a DH should hurt him. The guy couldn't have even played in the NL for most of his career.

So would you agree with Malek and I, Triumph?

Edgar worked his ass off his entire career and never once resorted to steroids, ala Sosa, Bonds and McGwire. I know he won't make it first ballot, but Mr. Mariner deserves it.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #362 on:** December 27, 2009, 07:05:52 PM »

What, Blyleven, Raines, Alomar and McGwire? That sounds about right. I'd probably throw in a sympathy vote for Dale Murphy too because, you know, Braves fan and all that.

Personally, I'd rather both leagues start using the DH.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #363 on:** December 27, 2009, 07:05:57 PM »

Quote from: distantmantra on December 27, 2009, 07:04:57 PM

Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 27, 2009, 07:03:38 PM
Edgar is REALLY REALLY awesome, but it's so hard for me to gauge how much being only a DH should hurt him. The guy couldn't have even played in the NL for most of his career.

So would you agree with Malek and I, Triumph?

Edgar worked his ass off his entire career and never once resorted to steroids, ala Sosa, Bonds and McGwire. I know he won't make it first ballot, but Mr. Mariner deserves it.

David Eckstein works his butt off and never used steroids either!

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #364 on:** December 27, 2009, 07:41:43 PM »

Eckstein also has infinity times more Dick Sucking Parade rings than Edgar, too.

edit: Dammit Federman, time to switch out all of the word filters.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #365 on:** December 27, 2009, 07:52:40 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 27, 2009, 07:05:57 PM

Quote from: distantmantra on December 27, 2009, 07:04:57 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 27, 2009, 07:03:38 PM
Edgar is REALLY REALLY awesome, but it's so hard for me to gauge how much being only a DH should hurt him. The guy couldn't have even played in the NL for most of his career.

So would you agree with Malek and I, Triumph?

Edgar worked his ass off his entire career and never once resorted to steroids, ala Sosa, Bonds and McGwire. I know he won't make it first ballot, but Mr. Mariner deserves it.

David Eckstein works his butt off and never used steroids either!

Oh fuck you.

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pollo · « **Reply #366 on:** December 29, 2009, 08:28:25 AM »

By the way, I was searching through my photos and found this picture of Sylar that I took during a Yanks-Rays game this year:

You look cute dude.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #367 on:** December 29, 2009, 10:42:40 AM »

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #368 on:** December 29, 2009, 11:19:38 AM »

Note that she/he is a cracker!

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #369 on:** December 29, 2009, 02:19:28 PM »

Read this over at ESPN this morning. It's pretty long so I'll just provide the link.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hof10/news/story?id=4755544

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #370 on:** December 29, 2009, 02:23:47 PM »

Personally, I think the main argument against Martinez is that he was a Mariner for life.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #371 on:** December 29, 2009, 02:28:36 PM »

Good article.

This list is a decent ranking.

http://www.baseballprojection.com/war/top500.htm

By that, Edgar is above the three position players I put on my ballot.

Also -- I guess somewhat related -- Keith Hernandez >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don Mattingly.

http://somewhatmanlynerd.com/blog/2009/12/29/keith-hernandez-don-mattingly/

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #372 on:** December 29, 2009, 04:06:23 PM »

He's KEITH HERNANDEZ.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #373 on:** December 29, 2009, 04:07:19 PM »

I'm Keith Hernandez

http://vimeo.com/4288854

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #374 on:** December 29, 2009, 04:42:56 PM »

Mets signed Bay. I think it's awesome that they signed an overpriced bat that won't be able to hit out of your ballpark, while letting Lee, Holliday, Lackey, etc. pass them by.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #375 on:** December 29, 2009, 04:48:01 PM »

Also, the Braves apparently have 7-9 million to spend and need another productive hitter, but couldn't be bothered to inquire about Derosa, who just signed a two year deal with the stinking Giants for 12 million total. He would have been perfect- right handed, steady production and could have played lf, 3b when Chipper inevitably gets hurt and even 1b or 2b. Grrr. Somehow I have sinking feeling Melky Cabrera is going to be our opening day lf or something, which will suck.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #376 on:** December 29, 2009, 04:49:43 PM »

I still can't comprehend why the Braves traded Vazquez for Milkduds, unless you guys knew he was going to fall apart Opening Day or something.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #377 on:** December 29, 2009, 04:54:09 PM »

I just don't get why you focus on the second-best player on the market. HOLLIDAY IS STILL OUT THERE WHY SETTLE?!?

If the reports about an easy vesting option for a 5th year are true, I'm pretty pissed off. 5/80 fuck. If Holliday ends up getting 6/100 I'm going to fucking rage.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #378 on:** December 29, 2009, 05:05:51 PM »

I don't get why you don't go after a PITCHER.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #379 on:** December 29, 2009, 05:12:33 PM »

Quote from: Willco on December 29, 2009, 04:49:43 PM

I still can't comprehend why the Braves traded Vazquez for Milkduds, unless you guys knew he was going to fall apart Opening Day or something.

Because we had a surplus of starting pitching, and needed some of the money tied up in our SP to get some offense. Not that I'm totally pleased with the coming Troy Glaus era, but if they had signed him AND DeRo, that would have been awesome. We'll probably end up with Xavier Nady or someone lame like that. I could go for some Johnny Damon action in LF but that's not likely.

And while it (obviously) doesn't make sense to trade Vazquez for Melky, keep in mind that last year was a career year for Vazquez. And looking at our rotation, we can go Jurrjens, Hudson, Hanson, Lowe and Kawakami, which ain't bad. I think pitching Lowe lower down in the rotation will be good and hopefully he'll bounce back a bit... Plus there's always the chance we can package Melkdud and a prospect for a decent left fielder. Probably not, but a guy can dream!

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #380 on:** December 29, 2009, 05:28:44 PM »

Quote from: Willco on December 29, 2009, 05:05:51 PM

I don't get why you don't go after a PITCHER.

Kinda late now. OH WAIT JOEL PINEIRO HE HAS THE SAME NAME AS ME GET HIM

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #381 on:** December 29, 2009, 05:32:49 PM »

Hey, you guys got KELVIM ESCOBAR.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #382 on:** December 29, 2009, 06:25:58 PM »

It's bad offseason for the Mets when I can confidently say the Nationals signed better pitchers.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #383 on:** December 29, 2009, 06:36:12 PM »

Definitely. I would've done that Marquis deal, and also that deal Harden signed with the Rangers was exactly what I wanted. Ugh.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #384 on:** December 29, 2009, 06:38:39 PM »

Plus we got Bruney and Capps in our bullpen, and they're solid arms. Everyday Eddie has weak stuff, but he'll eat innings and his ERA is usually not as bad as last year.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #385 on:** December 29, 2009, 06:43:40 PM »

Whatever, we have K-ROD! He's making $11.5 million, he has to be good!

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #386 on:** December 29, 2009, 06:45:47 PM »

When it comes to RPs, unless it's Mariano Rivera, I'll sign the solid guys for a decent salary. Overspending on relief almost always backfires, and half the time when you're talking about a playoff team, their best relief arm is a demoted starter or a promoted minor leaguer.

Overspending for pitching in general is stupid, and the arms race is what will inevitably lead MLB to a salary cap - unless they plan on contracting the league to eight markets.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #387 on:** December 29, 2009, 06:48:09 PM »

Quote from: Willco on December 29, 2009, 06:45:47 PM

When it comes to RPs, unless it's Mariano Rivera, I'll sign the solid guys for a decent salary. Overspending on relief almost always backfires, and half the time when you're talking about a playoff team, their best relief arm is a demoted starter or a promoted minor leaguer.

duh

K-Rod has a vesting option to make SEVENTEEN POINT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS in 2012. FML

Omar is such a fucking moron. He just outbid himself AGAIN.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #388 on:** December 30, 2009, 10:03:55 AM »

This man speaks the truth!

pollo · « **Reply #389 on:** December 30, 2009, 07:44:26 PM »

me (4:34:36 PM): i balib in twwotouzandteeeehn =(
gf(4:34:47 PM): fuck you
gf(4:34:52 PM): seriously
gf (4:34:55 PM): i'm pissed off
gf (4:35:05 PM): go fuck yourself

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #390 on:** December 30, 2009, 07:48:39 PM »

Quote from: pollo on December 30, 2009, 07:44:26 PM

me (4:34:36 PM): i balib in twwotouzandteeeehn =(
gf(4:34:47 PM): fuck you
gf(4:34:52 PM): seriously
gf (4:34:55 PM): i'm pissed off
gf (4:35:05 PM): go fuck yourself

K-Rod balibs in comebacks--no kidding. When he pitches in the ninth, there's a high chance of a comeback.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #391 on:** December 30, 2009, 07:51:08 PM »

The Mets are hoping you come back to the stadium after 2010.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #392 on:** December 30, 2009, 07:54:22 PM »

Your gf always gets so pissed, pollo.

But really, no Reyes is surprising. They gave up on him.

Oliver Perez just sucks.

Or maybe they are just saving them for the Spanish language version.

creo en retornos

pollo · « **Reply #393 on:** December 30, 2009, 08:33:24 PM »

With good reason, she has me as a boyfriend. How I post is the same way I am in real life.

What's hilarious about Reyes is that "on paper" he was "rehabbing." That couldn't be further from the truth. Once he saw the Mets were done for the season he said fuck it and wasn't willing to properly rehab. Instead he was out each night at a few Wash Heights bars, where my friend's cousin frequents, dancing the night away. Anecdotal evidence, yes. But would you really put it past him?

Apparently he rolled with 2 gorgeous Dominicans each night too.

Rman · « **Reply #394 on:** December 30, 2009, 08:43:25 PM »

How does Omar still have his job?

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #395 on:** December 30, 2009, 09:17:30 PM »

Ken Davidoff (writer for Newsday) is so good.

His ballot: Alomar, Blyleven, Larkin, Martinez, McGwire, Raines, Trammell.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #396 on:** December 30, 2009, 10:30:05 PM »

I dunno about Barry Larkin.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #397 on:** December 30, 2009, 10:38:25 PM »

If you don't have a problem with Trammell, you shouldn't have a problem with Larkin.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #398 on:** December 31, 2009, 12:24:25 AM »

I wouldn't put Trammell in either. This year I'd vote for Blyleven, Raines, McGwire and Alomar and that's it. I would also figure out a way to vote Joe Morgan out of the HoF.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #399 on:** December 31, 2009, 12:29:33 AM »

Well, we agree on our ballots. We already went over that on the last page. But Davidoff obviously has a bit lower standard -- one which is actually more in line with the general standard the HoF has set so far. Within that framework, his ballot makes perfect sense, which is more than can be said about seemingly every other ballot I've seen.

pollo · « **Reply #400 on:** December 31, 2009, 06:30:10 PM »

Happy new year bore mlb'ers. Hopefully we get some more GAF mlb regs postin here the coming season.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #401 on:** December 31, 2009, 07:11:17 PM »

NL East is represented.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #402 on:** December 31, 2009, 08:13:45 PM »

The Cubs signed Marlon Byrd for 3yrs/$15 million?

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #403 on:** December 31, 2009, 08:18:25 PM »

The Cubs aren't very good, are they? Well, at least he can take the place of... Milton Bradley? I guess that's an improvement.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #404 on:** December 31, 2009, 08:41:43 PM »

A 32-year-old journeyman ballplayer who has only had one season where he hit over 10 HRs (last season - his contract year - hence the money) is an improvement over Milton Bradley

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #405 on:** December 31, 2009, 08:51:26 PM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on December 31, 2009, 08:41:43 PM

A 32-year-old journeyman ballplayer who has only had one season where he hit over 10 HRs (last season - his contract year - hence the money) is an improvement over Milton Bradley

Milton Bradley is insane. Would you want him on your team? I wouldn't, even for the league minimum. I'd take Marlon Byrd as a fourth outfielder, tho. But again- the Cubs aren't very smart, are they?

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #406 on:** December 31, 2009, 08:54:47 PM »

I don't think you pay a 32-year-old to be your bench for $5 million a year, plus more with incentives. The signing just puzzles me. You could get similar production for a fraction of the price, and use that $15 million to sign a player, y'know, actually worth it.

This is Gary Matthews all over again; a player past his prime that has underperformed for most of his career has a great contract season in Arlington and becomes an overpaid free agent.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #407 on:** December 31, 2009, 10:55:25 PM »

Well, you do if you're the Cubs and you're dumb. Actually, they'll probably try and get him to start.

Of course, I could see the Nats doing it too just because you guys have to overpay for anyone to want to play on that team.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #408 on:** January 01, 2010, 12:25:45 AM »

He was signed as their starting LF, I believe.

And while the Nats overpay, it's not ludicrous. All their signings - Marquis included - were within the going rate, but the Nats will always have to lean towards the higher end. The team has not outbid itself, though.

For instance, Marquis is also getting $15 million (albeit for two years), and is a solid middle-of-the-rotation guy that any ballclub would take. I would gladly give that guy $7.5 million a year, versus $5 million a year for a 32-year-old outfielder with a spotty track record.

(Byrd, by the way, was traded by the Nationals because he tanked here.)

pollo · « **Reply #409 on:** January 01, 2010, 12:58:06 PM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on January 01, 2010, 12:25:45 AM

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For instance, Marquis is also getting $15 million (albeit for two years), and is a solid middle-of-the-rotation guy that any ballclub would take. I

Nope.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #410 on:** January 01, 2010, 01:49:52 PM »

Huh? The guy won 15 games last year, he's 31-years-old, has thrown 190 innings or more five of his last six seasons and has maintained an ERA under 4.50 throughout his career (save for 2006). You're telling me there's someone that wouldn't take him as a fourth starter?

I mean the Rockies, a playoff team, offered him arbitration - which he rejected. Both the Phillies and the Mets were interested in him this offseason, but the Nationals gave him a couple of million more. Plus the fact that in Washington he's an ace, whereas he'd be the third or fourth starter for those respective teams.

So, yeah, uh what?

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #411 on:** January 01, 2010, 02:02:41 PM »

Well, the Yankees and Red Sox wouldn't take except as a back of the rotation starter, so I guess not ALL teams would be happy to have him.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #412 on:** January 01, 2010, 02:14:45 PM »

I don't see the Byrd signing as bad at 3/15...what are the incentives you mention, Will? I mean, it's not great, but they might actually get better value out of him compared to say...Jason Bay. $:-\$

I guess my contract evaluation standards are low due to Minaya exposure. I need to apply this to women.

pollo · « **Reply #413 on:** January 01, 2010, 02:36:09 PM »

Career 99 ERA+? That guy, as Triumph pointed, is nothing but back end/6th man spot starter. Certainly not the 3 spot on any competitive team.

And that contract to Byrd is horrible. You're essentially giving a league average outfielder $5 mil? Whose best years have come from Arlington? It's hard to believe you couldn't get that kind of production from a fringe defensive specialist in your farm-- someone whose got enough of a glove to WAR ~ 2.0 like Byrd.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #414 on:** January 01, 2010, 04:19:08 PM »

Considering two playoff teams, one of them in the World Series, were bidding for his services - I beg to differ. Marquis is the type of pitcher you want in your rotation for the right price. You can't discount the fact that he's thrown 190 innings or more five of the past six seasons. The guy eats innings and he's durable, and that comes at a premium in the MLB. I don't know what you're talking about.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #415 on:** January 04, 2010, 07:29:43 PM »

Red Sox to sign Beltre.

That's gonna be a pretty good infield.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #416 on:** January 04, 2010, 08:05:12 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on January 04, 2010, 07:29:43 PM

Red Sox to sign Beltre.

That's gonna be a pretty good infield.

Hopefully his bat warms up.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #417 on:** January 04, 2010, 08:14:01 PM »

I have to imagine the monster will help.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #418 on:** January 04, 2010, 08:43:33 PM »

1-year deal for $9 million with a $5 million player option (but also a $1 million buyout for the Red Sox, apparently). Boras is having an off-year.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #419 on:** January 04, 2010, 08:48:07 PM »

Or - gasp! - Beltre is really not that good.

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Author Topic: MLB Offseason Thread - Pitchers and Catchers Report! (Read 46329 times)