Author Topic: Let's talk about Star Ocean 4: The Last Hope (for xbox in japan lololol) OFFCIAL (Read 60357 times)

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #180 on:** February 26, 2009, 10:50:20 PM »

How is the story?

As bad as they say??

tiesto · « **Reply #181 on:** February 26, 2009, 10:57:57 PM »

Quote from: WrikaWrek on February 26, 2009, 10:50:20 PM

How is the story?

As bad as they say??

Well from what I've played, it doesn't seem anything too terrible. Nothing can be worse than 3's story. But I just started... with a game like this, the battles are so much fun that all I need in a story is enough to get me from one place to another, a few characters making stupid jokes, and a plot twist or two and I'm good.

I love the whole concept (traveling to different planets-hell look what my favorite game series of all time is!, sci-fi setting), and how you have a dictionary that tells you facts about the different planets, characters and technologies.

Bebpo · « **Reply #182 on:** February 26, 2009, 11:00:52 PM »

Quote from: tiesto on February 26, 2009, 10:48:41 PM

I just beat the first boss and I'm fucking loving this game... much better than 3, combat feels so awesome, and it's addicting with the battle bonuses and attempting some of the battle trophies. Yeah, the environments are low-polygon and blocky, but the lack of much load time, palettes used and the texture detail more than make up for that. Then again I don't give a fuck about graphics in games.

Bebpo - after chipping off enough of the first boss's 'shell', you'll see a glowing blue spot on its side. Target it and you can do like 50-100hp of damage. Edge and Reimi were around level 7 when I beat it.

Is there a way to change what you are targetting for instances like that?

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #183 on:** February 26, 2009, 11:12:34 PM »

I watched a few cutscenes on Youtube, they're kinda hilarious.

demi · « **Reply #184 on:** February 26, 2009, 11:23:35 PM »

Quote from: WrikaWrek on February 26, 2009, 10:50:20 PM

How is the story?

As bad as they say??

It's an epic space opera that no person should live without

You know, like all JRPGs

tiesto · « **Reply #185 on:** February 26, 2009, 11:29:52 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on February 26, 2009, 11:00:52 PM

Quote from: tiesto on February 26, 2009, 10:48:41 PM
I just beat the first boss and I'm fucking loving this game... much better than 3, combat feels so awesome, and it's addicting with the battle bonuses and attempting some of the battle trophies. Yeah, the environments are low-polygon and blocky, but the lack of much load time, palettes used and the texture detail more than make up for that. Then again I don't give a fuck about graphics in games.

Bebpo - after chipping off enough of the first boss's 'shell', you'll see a glowing blue spot on its side. Target it and you can do like 50-100hp of damage. Edge and Reimi were around level 7 when I beat it.

Is there a way to change what you are targetting for instances like that?

Not that I know of, I just ran to the side of him and mashed the attack button...

TVC15 · « **Reply #186 on:** February 27, 2009, 01:33:50 AM »

50 Cent could probably design a better RPG than Tri-Ace. Now that TA has their shit games for this gen out of the way, maybe they can start working on what will be their only worthwhile game this gen: VP3.

Jansen · « **Reply #187 on:** February 27, 2009, 02:26:21 AM »

this isn't a shitty game tho. it just looks like shit

the battle system is wayyy better than vesperia's

personally i cringe at the thought of what VP3 would end up looking like

demi · « **Reply #188 on:** February 27, 2009, 02:26:54 AM »

You could get 50 cent instead

MCD · « **Reply #189 on:** February 27, 2009, 02:37:57 AM »

i'm only 2 hours in but all i have now is BLINDSIDE so as of now, vesperia is vastly superior.

and at least i get achievements in vesperia, here all i get is shitty battle trophies.

Jansen · « **Reply #190 on:** February 27, 2009, 02:45:32 AM »

the only way one could consider vesperia's battle system better is if they find tlh's too complex

treythemovie · « **Reply #191 on:** February 27, 2009, 08:03:48 AM »

Quote from: treythemovie on February 18, 2009, 10:35:07 PM

When was the last time Tri-Ace didn't manage to fuck up the gameplay or story in one of their games?

Welp, scratch another one off the list. I'm sure they'll get it right sometime this decade! $:-\$

MCD · « **Reply #192 on:** February 27, 2009, 08:23:46 AM »

If i see Reimi's ass one more time...

tiesto · « **Reply #193 on:** February 27, 2009, 08:56:22 AM »

This is much better than Vesperia's battle system, it's a lot faster-paced, and enemies (at least as of now) aren't the HP sinks they were in Vesperia.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #194 on:** February 27, 2009, 01:57:58 PM »

Quote from: WrikaWrek on February 26, 2009, 10:50:20 PM

How is the story?

As bad as they say??

It's okay. The problem lies more with the characters and dialogue. Well, not so much the characters actually [except for Welch and, to a lesser extent, Lymle] but how the clothes look. Why can't they were normal clothes like what a person would actually wear in real life? So it makes everything a bit ridiculous. Also, the dialogue is often either over-dramatic or totally-saccharine fluff, which also makes everything a bit ridiculous.

The actually story, though, about mankind's quest to find a suitable world to live on after jacking up the Earth, is actually alright when taken to it's most basic level.

Bebpo · « **Reply #195 on:** February 27, 2009, 02:44:59 PM »

Quote from: Jansen on February 27, 2009, 02:45:32 AM

the only way one could consider vesperia's battle system better is if they find tlh's too complex

I'd like a good explanation of why SO's battle system is considered deep or at least deeper than Tales. Tales battles are pretty shallow, but I've always thought SOs were just as much.

I'm not that far in SO4, but like the guy said above, battles just consist of me blindsighting -> combo; blindsight -> combo; blindsight -> combo.

Jansen · « **Reply #196 on:** February 27, 2009, 02:58:42 PM »

because using blindsides successfully is more complex then any feature of a tales battle system

Bebpo · « **Reply #197 on:** February 27, 2009, 03:08:12 PM »

Quote from: Jansen on February 27, 2009, 02:58:42 PM

because using blindsides successfully is more complex then any feature of a tales battle system

? Am I missing something or do you just hold B and then press forward when you get a yellow target lock on you?
That's about as complex as jumping behind a guy in Tales when he's blocking.

I think it's pointless to talk about which of the two is more "complex". They're both pretty much mashers in battle and the only depth is in setting up your characters pre-battle.

Jansen · « **Reply #198 on:** February 27, 2009, 03:10:56 PM »

okay i think you're just giving me shit now. that or you didn't play the battle simulator

Bebpo · « **Reply #199 on:** February 27, 2009, 03:14:19 PM »

Quote from: Jansen on February 27, 2009, 03:10:56 PM

okay i think you're just giving me shit now. that or you didn't play the battle simulator

I didn't play the battle simulator. Is there an added layer of depth that I'm missing? Because I've successfully blindsided all the enemies/bosses so far by just holding B and pressing in a direction when I get a yellow target on me.

tiesto · « **Reply #200 on:** February 27, 2009, 03:21:05 PM »

When you blindside an enemy, do you have to press in the direction TOWARDS the enemy when you see the flashing icon? Sometimes I can't get it down accurately.

Also how do I get more skills to invest in? I'm still really early in the game, leaving in 40 min to play some more, FINALLY!

Jansen · « **Reply #201 on:** February 27, 2009, 03:23:50 PM »

yeah there's blindside counter attacks and rush combos

tbh tho i was just fucking around in that post. i never even got to the point in vesperia where you learn how to use fatal strikes

MCD · « **Reply #202 on:** February 27, 2009, 04:08:15 PM »

one thing that pisses me off in SO4 is the starting area, the jungle planet, why make it so huge, empty and confusing like this? fucking waste of space and time.

and when you finally beat the boss fucking edge tells faiz that he wants to scout more, for fuck sakes give ME the option, not EDGE.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #203 on:** February 27, 2009, 05:00:48 PM »

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and when you finally beat the boss fucking edge tells faiz that he wants to scout more, for fuck sakes give ME the option, not EDGE.

That was pretty stupid. Especially since "scouting around" equating to finding the path that takes you back to the cave that brought you there in the first place.

A question for anyone who's gotten past the Cardianon space station: In the power core room [the last room you get to on the base], the map shows another set of rooms with two treasure chests that seem to be inaccessible from the power core room. How am I supposed to get to that area? I want da loot!

Error2k4 · « **Reply #204 on:** February 27, 2009, 05:19:36 PM »

Star Ocean 4 battles

I got Synthesis and the amount of customization possible increased by like 300%

You don't need synthesis materials anymore
each weapon has 7 slots for synthesizing
You can synthesize ANY item

tri-Ace

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I think it's pointless to talk about which of the two is more "complex". They're both pretty much mashers in battle and the only depth is in setting up your characters pre-battle.

not true actually, the way the bosses are designed in the game. if you don't attack the weak spot you'll be hacking at it for like 15 minutes wondering what the hell is happening.

Himu · « **Reply #205 on:** February 27, 2009, 05:21:52 PM »

Quote from: Error2k4 on February 27, 2009, 05:19:36 PM

Star Ocean 4 battles

I got Synthesis and the amount of customization possible increased by like 300%

You don't need synthesis materials anymore
each weapon has 7 slots for synthesizing
You can synthesize ANY item

tri-Ace

you're trying to make me get this aren't you

Himu · « **Reply #206 on:** February 27, 2009, 05:23:21 PM »

Quote from: tiesto on February 27, 2009, 08:56:22 AM

This is much better than Vesperia's battle system, it's a lot faster-paced, and enemies (at least as of now) aren't the HP sinks they were in Vesperia.

I look at the videos for SO4 and the battles don't look interesting at all. Wish there was a demo.

Error2k4 · « **Reply #207 on:** February 27, 2009, 05:25:03 PM »

Vesperia battles don't look interesting in videos either, just sayin'!

I modified Edge's sword to shoot fire whenever he attacks and also to hit twice per hit. :O

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #208 on:** February 27, 2009, 05:31:45 PM »

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I got Synthesis and the amount of customization possible increased by like 300%

You don't need synthesis materials anymore
each weapon has 7 slots for synthesizing
You can synthesize ANY item

Gotta get me some Synthesis!!

The Sceneman · « **Reply #209 on:** February 27, 2009, 05:34:10 PM »

I need to play the Last Remnant still.

And shit is 50 Cent out? Im going to rent it as soon as my 360 gets back. The trailer was so funny

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #210 on:** February 27, 2009, 05:48:55 PM »

I just got my money, holy fuck I'm gonna jerk it werk it to this fucking game.

ferrarimanf355 · « **Reply #211 on:** February 28, 2009, 11:40:13 AM »

Quote from: distantmantra on February 26, 2009, 02:27:02 PM

Quote from: InfectedGib on February 26, 2009, 12:55:54 PM
6. Cole Trickle
(Tom Cruise - Days Of Thunder
It might be just us, but the Cruiser's character in this testosterone-fuelled racing flick sounds like a euphemism for pissing oneself - "I would have pulled over to use the toilet, but instead I settled for a Cole Trickle in the car.")

That's nothing. There's a real NASCAR driver named Dick Trickle.

Also, there's a character in that film named Rowdy Burns. Now, I think Rowdy is a nickname- an awesome nickname- but still...

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #212 on:** February 28, 2009, 12:06:30 PM »

spoiler (click to show/hide)

"Wah, wah! I accidentally helped alternate 1950's Earth destroy itself because I thought I was helping them but they betrayed us instead! I'm a horrible person that deserves to die! Someone find me a razor blade so I can cut my wrists! But first I'll be rude to my friends and random strangers or sulk in the corner like a crybaby!"

Emo Edge

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TVC15 · « **Reply #213 on:** February 28, 2009, 01:27:38 PM »

Ugh, this game is terrible. I'm not even impressed witht he battle system that much. The dialogue and writing is horrendous. This game is Xeno-bad.

MCD · « **Reply #214 on:** February 28, 2009, 01:34:28 PM »

BLINDSIDE BLINDSIDE BLINDSIDE

GEE I WONDER WHEN I WILL GET SOMETHING NEW

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #215 on:** February 28, 2009, 01:45:08 PM »

The past four hours have been almost nothing but talking, talking, talking. There've been a few fights sprinkled here and there, but it's just been running around town talking to people and trying to figure out where to go next and cutscene after cutscene of talking and more talking. $:-\$

Just get back to the fighting and dungeon-crawling already!!

Jansen · « **Reply #216 on:** February 28, 2009, 01:51:23 PM »

if there's one thing that will ruin this game for me it will be the shitty shit shit cutscenes

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

so awful

at the railgun sound effects

MCD · « **Reply #217 on:** February 28, 2009, 01:52:17 PM »

I'm only at the 2nd planet (got that distinguished mentally-challenged girl Lyme) but goddamn, this game feels empty.

distinguished mentally-challenged cutscenes --> HUGE field for no goddamn reason --> some ugly looking village on the center --> ugly dungeon.

at least with Vesperia you have skits which keeps game "alive" you know, here they only chat during cutscenes or in the ship also lots of art combinations and an overlimit which is actually more fun and useful than rushfucking mode.

edit: actually, with that voice acting i should be grateful for less talking.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #218 on:** February 28, 2009, 02:51:54 PM »

The one thing that SO4 does right with cutscenes, and which every JRPG from now on shop copy, is that after every cutscene you skip you are provided with a brief summary of what happened in that cutscene.

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #219 on:** February 28, 2009, 03:11:55 PM »

Quote from: Jansen on February 28, 2009, 01:51:23 PM

if there's one thing that will ruin this game for me it will be the shitty shit shit cutscenes

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

so awful

at the railgun sound effects

Japanese just can't be well translated to other languages. Seriously. I mean look at it, they just have this weird ass, uncomfortable pauses between dialog, there's no flow.

MGS4 suffers from it in multiple cases too, it's already rather weird in japanese, but when you have English voices then it becomes even worse.

MCD · « **Reply #220 on:** February 28, 2009, 03:29:36 PM »

I thought Vesperia and Lost Odyssey US voice acting were well done.

Square-Enix US this gen isn't trying anymore.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #221 on:** February 28, 2009, 05:12:47 PM »

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Square-Enix US this gen isn't trying anymore.

I really doubt it's the localization that's to blame here.

MCD · « **Reply #222 on:** February 28, 2009, 05:18:43 PM »

Fine, it's all himu's fault.

tiesto · « **Reply #223 on:** February 28, 2009, 05:28:55 PM »

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on February 28, 2009, 05:12:47 PM

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Square-Enix US this gen isn't trying anymore.

I really doubt it's the localization that's to blame here.

Their localizations have gone a bit downhill lately... too gung-ho about adding shitty accents to everything.

Greatness Gone · « **Reply #224 on:** February 28, 2009, 07:23:19 PM »

This game is horrible. Graphics suck, writing sucks, cutscenes suck, VA sucks. battle system is currently yawn inducing. Trading this in for Resident evil 4.5 next month.

Greatness Gone · « **Reply #225 on:** February 28, 2009, 07:28:32 PM »

Forgot to mention that Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, and even fucking Blue Dragon are better than this wreck.

Shoulda bought Street Fighter IV.

rubber feathers · « **Reply #226 on:** February 28, 2009, 07:47:51 PM »

Quote from: Green Man on February 28, 2009, 05:42:19 PM

Nobody believes me that this game is ugly. Everyone actually thinks it looks like this all the time:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3d/SO4TLH.jpg

Hahaha. I've literally seen nothing from this game except the initial screenshots, and after seeing what the game looks like now I can't help but laugh.

Codemasters has competition, lol

demi · « **Reply #227 on:** February 28, 2009, 08:19:35 PM »

I hear that 50 Cent game is pure adrenaline based fun

Bebpo · « **Reply #228 on:** February 28, 2009, 08:21:17 PM »

Quote from: Green Man on February 28, 2009, 05:42:19 PM

Nobody believes me that this game is ugly. Everyone actually thinks it looks like this all the time:

(Image removed from quote.)

Yeah, I thought the game was going to look like a CG movie with perfect lighting and stuff

...lol

It still looks sorta good. About as good as IU. Just not very well rounded and definitely not a showpiece like SO3/Radiata/VP2 were on PS2. I do think Tri-ace programmers probably feel pretty ashamed that they didn't waste the competition with their l33t skills this gen. Then again Level 5 used to be showoff PS2 graphic guys and WKS is lolz. Next up...Team ICO.

At least Team Kojima made a pretty good looking game even if it was sub-720p.

demi · « **Reply #229 on:** February 28, 2009, 08:26:08 PM »

Capcom came in and said "JRPGs lol" and was all YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH dmc4 goty

demi · « **Reply #230 on:** February 28, 2009, 08:26:47 PM »

Oh and those Mistwalker games

The gooch

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #231 on:** February 28, 2009, 08:40:11 PM »

Quote from: WrikaWrek on February 28, 2009, 03:11:55 PM

Japanese just can't be well translated to other languages. Seriously. I mean look at it, they just have this weird ass, uncomfortable pauses between dialog, there's no flow.

MGS4 suffers from it in multiple cases too, it's already rather weird in japanese, but when you have English voices then it becomes even worse.

Believe you me, I live in Japan and there's not a single human being here who talks like a person in a JRPG cutscene

I mean....

....the pauses....

....they kind of ruin the pacing............

..................................don't you think?

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #232 on:** February 28, 2009, 10:21:57 PM »

Playing through SO4 has got me to the point where I'm about to give up on JRPGs entirely. There's just no excuse for a lot of things that it seems like every single JRPG does now. The cutscenes that drag on forever, the ridiculously stupid clothes, the complete lack of choice, the mind-numbing characters, the overly-dramatic and utterly saccharine dialog, the shoddy graphics, the janky controls, and on and on. Well, I say JRPGs, but I'm probably more referring to tri-Ace JRPGs. They went downhill hard and fast and I don't see them ever recovering. Lost Odyssey was pretty good, for the few hours that I played it, and seemed to avoid at least some of these problems.

If FXIII doesn't deliver, I may not buy another JRPG again unless it's a port of 16/32-bit game. $:-\$

Greatness Gone · « **Reply #233 on:** February 28, 2009, 10:50:13 PM »

SMT4 will be amazing.

Bebpo · « **Reply #234 on:** February 28, 2009, 11:41:07 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 28, 2009, 10:21:57 PM

Playing through SO4 has got me to the point where I'm about to give up on JRPGs entirely. There's just no excuse for a lot of things that it seems like every single JRPG does now. The cutscenes that drag on forever, the ridiculously stupid clothes, the complete lack of choice, the mind-numbing characters, the overly-dramatic and utterly saccharine dialog, the shoddy graphics, the janky controls, and on and on. Well, I say JRPGs, but I'm probably more referring to tri-Ace JRPGs. They went downhill hard and fast and I don't see them ever recovering. Lost Odyssey was pretty good, for the few hours that I played it, and seemed to avoid at least some of these problems.

If FXIII doesn't deliver, I may not buy another JRPG again unless it's a port of 16/32-bit game. $:-\$

The long terrible cutscenes are a Tri-ace staple though, so it's more their problem than the genre.

treythemovie · « **Reply #235 on:** March 01, 2009, 12:41:01 AM »

Star Ocean Producer "Really" Wants To Make Erotic Games

That explains so much. $:-\$

Ughh, the dialogue, story, character designs and voice acting are so horrid. I can't play this shit anymore

Jansen · « **Reply #236 on:** March 01, 2009, 01:22:47 AM »

dammit why am i not learning anymore chain combos? i'm at level 18 and edge only knows 2 for fucks sake. this shit is getting boring and i'm still on the second planet

and whomever came up with the character llymle should diaf

so sad that we'll never get a lost odyssey 2

does the 360 even have anymore jrpgs in the pipeline? i can't think of any

treythemovie · « **Reply #237 on:** March 01, 2009, 01:59:51 AM »

Quote from: Jansen on March 01, 2009, 01:22:47 AM

does the 360 even have anymore jrpgs in the pipeline? i can't think of any

FFXIII and something from Atlus (obviously SMT but its not official)

Jansen · « **Reply #238 on:** March 01, 2009, 07:02:50 AM »

Himu · « **Reply #239 on:** March 01, 2009, 07:15:46 AM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 28, 2009, 10:21:57 PM

Playing through SO4 has got me to the point where I'm about to give up on JRPGs entirely. There's just no excuse for a lot of things that it seems like every single JRPG does now. The cutscenes that drag on forever, the ridiculously stupid clothes, the complete lack of choice, the mind-numbing characters, the overly-dramatic and utterly saccharine dialog, the shoddy graphics, the janky controls, and on and on. Well, I say JRPGs, but I'm probably more referring to tri-Ace JRPGs. They went downhill hard and fast and I don't see them ever recovering. Lost Odyssey was pretty good, for the few hours that I played it, and seemed to avoid at least some of these problems.

If FXIII doesn't deliver, I may not buy another JRPG again unless it's a port of 16/32-bit game. $:-\$

Word. I'm at the point where FF, SMT, DQ are the only jrpgs I care about. I'm just tired of rpgs in general.

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Author Topic: Let's talk about Star Ocean 4: The Last Hope (for xbox in japan lololol) OFFCIAL (Read 60357 times)