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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #300 on: December 17, 2009, 07:28:24 PM »
 :lol

Willco: "How was Avatar?"
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #301 on: December 17, 2009, 07:30:19 PM »
DANCES WITH UNOBTAINIUM
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #302 on: December 17, 2009, 07:32:44 PM »
I can't wait for the sequel where they search for "cantfuckinggetitanium".
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #303 on: December 17, 2009, 10:38:41 PM »
when is this going to be in theaters anyway?

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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #304 on: December 17, 2009, 10:40:01 PM »
20 minutes from now

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« Reply #305 on: December 18, 2009, 01:33:35 AM »
yeah, you even like king kong :yuck
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #306 on: December 18, 2009, 02:00:14 AM »
JFK was the best 3 hours I ever spent. I might one day pop in ROTK EE and check it out. Had it since release never watched.
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #307 on: December 18, 2009, 02:06:25 AM »
I was just thinking about the King Kong remake and totally forgot that there were scenes not in the jungle.  And this is King Kong, so you know there is a scene with him climbing buildings and stuff.  I was totally out of the movie by then.

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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #308 on: December 18, 2009, 02:06:26 AM »
Obviously, you don't understand the intricacies of Peter Jackson's adaptation of a '30s B-movie.
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #309 on: December 18, 2009, 02:07:24 AM »
I call for the removal of any scene that does not involve giant monsters.
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #310 on: December 18, 2009, 02:10:33 AM »
It was so quick, that when you quoted it, it said '30s? ???
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #311 on: December 18, 2009, 02:13:31 AM »
If I edit, it'll show you. Watch, I'll show you.

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« Reply #312 on: December 18, 2009, 02:20:25 AM »
Quote from: Green Shinobi
I can't stand the fact that not every critic will give James Cameron a free pass because the film looks pretty. :'(

You should probably go watch King Kong to prepare yourself.
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #313 on: December 18, 2009, 02:21:47 AM »
... by the way, I'm sure Cohen and Triumph will laugh at the fact that you called me pompous when it comes to film. If anything, this forum has given me grief - Transformers aside - on being too lenient with popcorn fare.
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #314 on: December 18, 2009, 03:33:19 AM »
Just got back from Avatar, and here are my thoughts without spoiling or really rating the film.

Visually, the film is amazing. It was awesome in 3D and actually helped the film. If it was just on the basis of visuals, I would give this film ten out of ten stars. Probably the best CG I've ever seen, and if it's transferred well, Avatar will be one hell of a Blu-ray purchase.

My problem is with the story. Not that it isn't good or anything, but I just couldn't connect to the film at all. Especially towards the ending. Unfortunately, without seeing the film, you won't really understand.

The film isn't straight up Fern Gully, but that message is there too. It's more than that. I just couldn't latch on to the plot or the story at all. I read a review where the story felt cold. Yeah, that's where I'm at. Not to mention that the villains are very flat, one sided, and predictable throughout the film.

I'm on the fence. I will probably give it another watch. I may even buy it. But it's definitely not the film of the year and it definitely doesn't deserve an Academy Award other than one for the visuals.
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #315 on: December 18, 2009, 03:43:40 AM »
fern gully :bow2

i rode that movies dick hard when i was a kiddy
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #316 on: December 18, 2009, 03:48:18 AM »
Man, the action scenes in the movie lived up to the hype though. Holy fucking shit. James Cameron didn't lose a step between T2/True Lies and Avatar. Again, enough for me to say the movie was good.
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #317 on: December 18, 2009, 04:31:29 AM »
Just got back from an East Coast showing at midnight.  Theatre was pretty well-populated....anyone arriving 10 minutes prior to showtime would probably have been stuck sitting alone or sitting in the first few rows.  Why do I always feel sorry for these people?  :lol

I think the problem with the super generic story is the same problem that King Kong had -- the ending is such a forgone conclusion that length becomes a consideration.  Oftentimes it feels like you are tapping your foot waiting for things to come to a head.  This wouldn't be a problem though if the characters were empathetic or interesting, but they are mostly just flat.  If I were going to see the movie again it would almost certainly be for the last 20 minutes, which would make all the stuff that comes before it even more difficult to sit through.  The Na'vi are never really humanized and their society never really explored....if the prelude had to be so long, it would have be nice to get a sequence like the Hobbiton part in Fellowship of the Ring - some section where we see more about how they live and play.  They are just stoic mystics and hunters....more like Tolkein's stuffy joyless Elves than the Hobbits.

I was much more impressed with all the CG than I thought I would be, and much less impressed by the 3D.  The 3D didn't seem any better or worse than other stuff I have seen in 3D, though I suppose there is less of that pop-up-book effect.  A lot of times you cease to notice it at all.....I wasn't sure if my glasses stopped working at times.  I had a headache through the last 45 minutes of the film, though I am still not sure if it was due to the glasses that pinch your head like a pair of tweezers or the 3D itself.  I wouldn't say I felt particularly immersed, and there are still plenty of shots of stuff coming at the camera (though less obvious and gimmicky).  A lot of the problems I had with RealD continue to exist with IMAX 3D.....things can look kinda flickery, or sometimes hazy and semi-translucent (like when you hold your hand about 5 inches from your face and it looks as if you can see through it).

CG looks very good, though I'd still say it mostly looks like CG whenever there is anything other than an inanimate object on screen.  To WETA's credit though, there are still of shots of that look like humans in prosthetics rather than CG furries.  Mostly I think this is a step forward in animation and getting the movements down right.

If you live in the boonies and can't get to a 3D theatre, I wouldn't sweat it too much.  The 3D isn't a gimmick, but it isn't really what makes the film.  The technology still has a long way to go, especially if it's going to hike ticket prices by 50%.

I dunno how the movie will play with normal audiences.  My friend is a pretty average moviegoer and he liked it, but certainly wasn't wild about it.  He said military/human scenes were on par with "that shitty videogame that Mark Hamill was in with the giant tigers" :lol  But he really enjoyed all the Pandora stuff.  He said Sigourney Weaver was terrible - I merely thought she was phoning it in.  I feel like they could have gotten somebody much better and much more into it. 

Overall I'd say it was just okay -- mostly worth seeing just to have something to talk about with everyone else.  And I'm hoping it will bring us out the "Shrek"-era of CG films and towards something a little more serious.  It doesn't feel like a game-changer or a leap forward or whatever, but it is hard to hate if you take it on its own merits and not the hype.  I'd rank it below almost all of Cameron's other films....maybe better than The Terminator (my least favorite).

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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: Best Picture & Best Direction of 2009
« Reply #318 on: December 18, 2009, 04:41:12 AM »
AV Club comes with the real talk: C

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Look past the New Age beauty of Cameron’s Pandora—and whenever the camera swoops through its verdant, psychedelic wonders, that isn’t easy to do—and Avatar is a weak patchwork of his other films: the leaden voiceover from Terminator 2 here, the military/civilian conflict from Aliens there, even a Jack-and-Rose-style forbidden love story cued to adult-contempo soundtrack. And if that weren’t enough, Cameron tacks on ham-handed environmental messages and a one-size-fits-all anti-war metaphor that references Native Americans, Vietnam, and the current oil-fueled quagmires. In the past, charismatic actors (Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sigourney Weaver, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Kate Winslet) have usually covered for Cameron’s weaknesses as a screenwriter, but Worthington can do nothing to animate his stock warrior. On a story level, Cameron has invested the bare minimum necessary to call Avatar into existence, and while there’s no doubting his meticulousness, the film is more demo than drama.

Paragraph says what needs to be said, especially that last sentence. It's a glorified tech demo
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #319 on: December 18, 2009, 05:07:41 AM »
Was Sam Worthington's acting good?

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Does he become an avatar for good like Ive always assumed?
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I'd say he was barely adequate. He hasn't got the gravitas to pull off a charismatic lead guy. He's just a bit plain.

In answer to your question (spoiler):

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yes, he does. right at the end.
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #320 on: December 18, 2009, 05:17:53 AM »
AV Club comes with the real talk: C

Quote from: AV Club
Look past the New Age beauty of Cameron’s Pandora—and whenever the camera swoops through its verdant, psychedelic wonders, that isn’t easy to do—and Avatar is a weak patchwork of his other films: the leaden voiceover from Terminator 2 here, the military/civilian conflict from Aliens there, even a Jack-and-Rose-style forbidden love story cued to adult-contempo soundtrack. And if that weren’t enough, Cameron tacks on ham-handed environmental messages and a one-size-fits-all anti-war metaphor that references Native Americans, Vietnam, and the current oil-fueled quagmires. In the past, charismatic actors (Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sigourney Weaver, Leonardo DiCaprio, and Kate Winslet) have usually covered for Cameron’s weaknesses as a screenwriter, but Worthington can do nothing to animate his stock warrior. On a story level, Cameron has invested the bare minimum necessary to call Avatar into existence, and while there’s no doubting his meticulousness, the film is more demo than drama.

Paragraph says what needs to be said, especially that last sentence. It's a glorified tech demo


This is all a test bed for Battle Angel Alita :punch

Fortunately with Battle Angel its a no frills anime/manga about a cyborg girl who tears shit up. None of this Ferngully shit.
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #321 on: December 18, 2009, 05:27:00 AM »
Cameron isnt making Battle Angel, though. He has said as much in recent interviews.

Anyways, about 11 hours from THE CINEMATIC EVENT OF OUR TIME (TM).

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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #322 on: December 18, 2009, 05:28:08 AM »
Cameron isnt making Battle Angel, though. He has said as much in recent interviews.

Anyways, about 11 hours from THE CINEMATIC EVENT OF OUR TIME (TM).

Someone posted a vid on GAF of him talking about Battle Angel (hmmm, didn't bother to check if it was recent though). I'mma search for the link.
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #323 on: December 18, 2009, 05:31:09 AM »
Here it is, the article and video were posted on the 14th

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/12/14/avatar-director-offers-update-on-battle-angel-alita-adaptation/

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As for where the film stands, Cameron seemed to indicate that "Alita" is still on his radar — though he hasn't progressed to the point of casting the film thus far.

"We're not that far down the line," he said. "We have a very good script and we've done a lot of production design. We've done about a year of production design and we've put together an art reel that shows the arc of the film."

Edit: Read a comment at the bottom, Cameron probably did give an update after that interview was taped. Though I'm reading it as along of the lines of "The Dive first, Alita after" (hopefully)
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #324 on: December 18, 2009, 09:32:35 AM »
Most of the negative reviewers seem to be the pompous Willco types, which means I'll probably disagree with them.

But Willco liked Transformers, so he should be going wild for Avatar. It's a strange world we live in.
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #325 on: December 18, 2009, 09:33:59 AM »
Was Sam Worthington's acting good?

Also (spoiler):

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Does he become an avatar for good like Ive always assumed?
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I'd say he was barely adequate. He hasn't got the gravitas to pull off a charismatic lead guy. He's just a bit plain.

In answer to your question (spoiler):

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yes, he does. right at the end.
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This happens in the game too. Does the movie have to do with collecting "harmonies" or something called Well of Souls?
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #326 on: December 18, 2009, 10:44:29 AM »
9 hours! I'm ready man! I'm ready to GET IT ON!
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #327 on: December 18, 2009, 10:49:07 AM »
12 HOURS AND 29 MINUTES

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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: C (B- adjusted to Transformers scale)
« Reply #328 on: December 18, 2009, 11:04:52 AM »
This happens in the game too. Does the movie have to do with collecting "harmonies" or something called Well of Souls?

eh no. but those things are referenced. like I said, Final Fantasy-esque backstory lol.

do the giant blue animals fuck in this


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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #329 on: December 18, 2009, 11:32:07 AM »
Anyway, the film is down to 81% on RT. Below The Princess and the Frog now.

At least it's getting better reviews than Sherlock Holmes.  :teehee
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #330 on: December 18, 2009, 11:36:11 AM »
I'd imagine they'd be about the same, if Cameron's name wasn't attached to Avatar.
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #331 on: December 18, 2009, 12:34:21 PM »
Saw it at the midnight showing. Some annoying similarities with Ferngully (seriously) but a pretty fucking whip ass movie.

Recommend seeing it in 2D first. It's just too fast in 3D and hard to focus on what's going on during some of the epic battles.

Best CG facial articulation EVER by the way. It's the first time I ever forgot I was watching CG characters.

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« Reply #332 on: December 18, 2009, 12:53:07 PM »
Under 4 hours away now!

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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #333 on: December 18, 2009, 12:58:28 PM »
The acting wasn't bad, but it wasn't spectacular either. It was strong enough to do what it needed to do.

It was worth the 20 bucks because it was ridiculously pretty and the action scenes were breathtaking.
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« Reply #335 on: December 18, 2009, 01:48:41 PM »
That comic looks pretty awesome.
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« Reply #336 on: December 18, 2009, 02:07:06 PM »
It rips off Ben Bova almost word for word. But will Cameron give credit? Not until someone takes him to court. The problem is that Ben Bova is not Harlan Ellison and seems to have no desire to pursue it.
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« Reply #337 on: December 18, 2009, 02:12:49 PM »
It rips off Ben Bova almost word for word. But will Cameron give credit? Not until someone takes him to court. The problem is that Ben Bova is not Harlan Ellison and seems to have no desire to pursue it.

Only in that they're both about "guys that transfer their consciousness to an alien body and run around on another planet".

Here's the synopsis of "Call Me Joe" and you can judge for yourself:

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Joe is awakened in his den, when a pack of predators is attacking him. Using his great strength, and weapons made from sculpted ice, he kills the animals and, exultant, bays at the moon above him. A vital component shorts out, and "Joe" reverts to being a human, Ed Anglesey, wearing a special headset on a space station orbiting Jupiter. Anglesey furiously repairs the equipment to restore the connection.

It transpires that such equipment failures are happening more and more often. All technical attempts at repair have failed, and instead a psionics expert, Cornelius, is brought to the station to determine if Anglesey himself is the problem.

Anglesey uses a wheelchair and is bad-tempered. He dislikes all his colleagues and is disliked in return. He is allowed to stay on the station only because of his ability to establish a telepathic connection with and thereby control Joe, a creature designed to survive the hostile conditions on the Jovian surface. Cornelius conjectures that something in Anglesey's mind rejects or fears Jupiter, and the resulting feedback keeps destroying the delicate equipment.

Eventually Cornelius is allowed to share a session with Anglesey during an important part of the mission. A set of autonomous female Jovians, similar to Joe but lacking a human controller such as Anglesey, has been launched from the satellite and will soon land on Jupiter. Joe, still controlled by Anglesey, is to be the leader, and father, of a new race that will live on the planet. During this session, Cornelius becomes aware of a third mind – that of Joe himself. Anglesey's mind has been steadily transforming itself into Joe and shrinking in the process. Cornelius was looking at the problem from the wrong end – it was not Anglesey's fear of going to Jupiter and becoming sublimated into Joe's stronger character which was causing the blowouts, but his fear of leaving Jupiter and the freedom Joe's whole and healthy, though non-human, body allows him. Anglesey's existence is poor and constricted compared to Joe's, and the environment has shaped a personality that no longer wants to be human.

Seeing himself from Cornelius's perspective, Joe becomes fully self-aware. He ejects Cornelius from the loop and shuts down what is left of Anglesey.

Cornelius revives on the station next to the hollow shell of Anglesey's body. Far from being dismayed, Cornelius realizes that this is the way of the future. From now on people with diseased bodies and even the aged can be recruited for the Jovian program if they have the necessary talents. Eventually they will leave their bodies behind and become Jovians in the flesh, functioning as the priesthood of the new race.
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #338 on: December 18, 2009, 02:21:20 PM »
I was not talking about Call Me Joe.

I was talking about Winds of Altair.

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The classic SciFi novel tells the story of humans trying to terraform the planet of Altair IV, where they cannot breath the air. The natives of this planet are a cat-like race (hmm, the Na'vi in Avatar look a little like cats) and Humans are able to transfer their minds into these cats in order to explore the planet safely. Throughout the course of the novel, the main character inhabits the body of one of these cats (just like in Avatar) and grows to side with the natives against the Military in the story.
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« Reply #339 on: December 18, 2009, 02:32:12 PM »
I was not talking about Call Me Joe.

I was talking about Winds of Altair.

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The classic SciFi novel tells the story of humans trying to terraform the planet of Altair IV, where they cannot breath the air. The natives of this planet are a cat-like race (hmm, the Na'vi in Avatar look a little like cats) and Humans are able to transfer their minds into these cats in order to explore the planet safely. Throughout the course of the novel, the main character inhabits the body of one of these cats (just like in Avatar) and grows to side with the natives against the Military in the story.

Ben Bova ripped off Poul Anderson! What a hack! :maf
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #340 on: December 18, 2009, 02:40:12 PM »
James Cameron utterly but not unexpectedly annihilated!!! 

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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #341 on: December 18, 2009, 02:50:57 PM »
the videogame adaptation came out in 2001

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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #342 on: December 18, 2009, 02:59:23 PM »
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The classic SciFi novel tells the story of humans trying to terraform the planet of Altair IV, where they cannot breath the air. The natives of this planet are a cat-like race (hmm, the Na'vi in Avatar look a little like cats) and Humans are able to transfer their minds into these cats in order to explore the planet safely. Throughout the course of the novel, the main character inhabits the body of one of these cats (just like in Avatar) and grows to side with the natives against the Military in the story.
It rips off Ben Bova almost word for word. But will Cameron give credit? Not until someone takes him to court. The problem is that Ben Bova is not Harlan Ellison and seems to have no desire to pursue it.
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Joe is awakened in his den, when a pack of predators is attacking him. Using his great strength, and weapons made from sculpted ice, he kills the animals and, exultant, bays at the moon above him. A vital component shorts out, and "Joe" reverts to being a human, Ed Anglesey, wearing a special headset on a space station orbiting Jupiter. Anglesey furiously repairs the equipment to restore the connection.

It transpires that such equipment failures are happening more and more often. All technical attempts at repair have failed, and instead a psionics expert, Cornelius, is brought to the station to determine if Anglesey himself is the problem.

Anglesey uses a wheelchair and is bad-tempered. He dislikes all his colleagues and is disliked in return. He is allowed to stay on the station only because of his ability to establish a telepathic connection with and thereby control Joe, a creature designed to survive the hostile conditions on the Jovian surface. Cornelius conjectures that something in Anglesey's mind rejects or fears Jupiter, and the resulting feedback keeps destroying the delicate equipment.

Eventually Cornelius is allowed to share a session with Anglesey during an important part of the mission. A set of autonomous female Jovians, similar to Joe but lacking a human controller such as Anglesey, has been launched from the satellite and will soon land on Jupiter. Joe, still controlled by Anglesey, is to be the leader, and father, of a new race that will live on the planet. During this session, Cornelius becomes aware of a third mind – that of Joe himself. Anglesey's mind has been steadily transforming itself into Joe and shrinking in the process. Cornelius was looking at the problem from the wrong end – it was not Anglesey's fear of going to Jupiter and becoming sublimated into Joe's stronger character which was causing the blowouts, but his fear of leaving Jupiter and the freedom Joe's whole and healthy, though non-human, body allows him. Anglesey's existence is poor and constricted compared to Joe's, and the environment has shaped a personality that no longer wants to be human.

Seeing himself from Cornelius's perspective, Joe becomes fully self-aware. He ejects Cornelius from the loop and shuts down what is left of Anglesey.

Cornelius revives on the station next to the hollow shell of Anglesey's body. Far from being dismayed, Cornelius realizes that this is the way of the future. From now on people with diseased bodies and even the aged can be recruited for the Jovian program if they have the necessary talents. Eventually they will leave their bodies behind and become Jovians in the flesh, functioning as the priesthood of the new race.
"Hey asshole, it was my shitty cliche-ridden story first!"

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Seeing this tonight because my friends suck. I'll happily eat crow if it turns out to be decent, but somehow I doubt that will happen
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #343 on: December 18, 2009, 03:15:42 PM »
Mark Kermode said "In its worst moments, this [Avatar] does turn into the Star Wars prequels"

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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #344 on: December 18, 2009, 05:34:00 PM »
It's too bad noble savages never preach against the dangers of over-reliance on narrative cliches. You'd think they'd have a line about that in their myths somewhere.
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« Reply #345 on: December 18, 2009, 05:36:00 PM »
 :lol

... So does Cameron just look for a lot of obscure stuff no longer in print or out of circulation, and blatantly steals ideas, hoping that we never catch on because Americans don't read?
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« Reply #346 on: December 18, 2009, 06:21:36 PM »
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FRIDAY 12:15 AM UPDATE: Twas the weekend before Christmas, but I refused to wax poetic about whether James Cameron's long awaited, much discussed, big budget technopic would be a gigantic hit, giant hit, or modest hit until I saw some actual numbers. That's because 20th Century Fox's Avatar finally hit theaters last night in North America and 106 countries overseas after years of fan curiosity, followed by recent months of negative buzz, followed by the past two weeks of mostly strong reviews (82% positive on Rotten Tomatoes). No one is predicting disaster for the film. Especially not after I can reveal what Steven Spielberg said after screening it on the Fox lot: "The last time I came out of a movie feeling that way it was the first time I saw Star Wars."

Rival studios reported to me this morning that midnight U.S. and Canada grosses were around $3 million with the 3D ticket premium. Now 20th Century Fox has announced its official midnight screening gross of $3,537,000, including the 3D ticket price premium, from approximately 2000 theatres.

I also just heard that internationally, Avatar is huge in Australia with $4.8 million from Thursday and Friday combined, and running double what 2012 which did not have a 3D premium did there, or $2.3 million. (By contrast, New Moon opened to $7.8M.) In Germany, Avatar debuted to $1.7 million, compared to 2012's $1.4M. (New Moon did $2.2M.) In Korea, Avatar opened to $1.4, behind 2012's $1.9M. (New Moon made only $800K.) But in the UK, opening day was hit by snow so grosses are running behind.

Meanwhile, a giant snowstorm is expected on the America's East Coast, with 20 inches predicted for Washington DC.

I've learned that today's matinees are running about 10% better than this summer's Star Trek. But with 3D films, matinees are normally higher because a larger portion of the business is done via presales. Then again, Fox is warning that the weekend before Christmas can be dicey for moviegoing because everyone is more focused on shopping and partying. And weather is already a factor. But movies which open the weekend before Christmas tend to do better multiples than normal from opening box office to lifetime. While in the summer tentpoles tend to have lifetime grosses of 3 to 3.5 times opening weekend. Whereas movies that open the weekend before Christmas can do 4, 5 or even 6 times the opening weekend. So if Avatar were to do $75M to $85M this weekend, it could still get to a $300M-$400M lifetime total which is what the movie's negative cost is thought to be.

Right now, Hollywood has refined its original unfocused $60M-$75M prediction upwards to $85 million for the 3-day domestic weekend -- better than the all-time December opening of I Am Legend at $77,211,321 but only because of Avatar's 3D ticket price premium.

Remember, this is the biggest 3D release in movie history, spurred by the excitement surrounding Cameron's creation of the Fusion Camera System technology for photo-realistic computer-generated characters through motion capture animation. His film is playing in 3,542 total theaters domestic (including 2,038 3D locations and 3,129 3D screens and 179 all 3D IMAX), and into 17,222 screens overseas (including a total 3D and 3D Imax screens of 5,360, and a total IMAX 3D screens of 81).

Now, that's a wide 2D release but by no means the widest. And yet last night there weren't the usual reports pouring in to me of long lines and sold-out theaters after midnight, except for the IMAX 3D venues. Instead, Internet chatter and anecdotal accounts indicate moviehouses showing Avatar were not playing to packed houses -- at least not yet. MORE

Disclaimer: Spielberg also loved the prequels.

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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #348 on: December 18, 2009, 08:21:25 PM »
Fucking loved it. Yes, all the problems youve heard are true. No, they dont seem to matter when watching.

*bow*Cameron*bow*

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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #349 on: December 18, 2009, 08:25:33 PM »
 they will soon

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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #350 on: December 18, 2009, 08:27:41 PM »
This opens here next week, so I may go see it next weekend.  I'm cautiously optimistic about it.
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #351 on: December 18, 2009, 08:41:05 PM »
they will soon

:lol

I look forward to Solo's review after he rewatches this at home, after the high of watching it with an anxious opening night crowd wears off.
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #352 on: December 18, 2009, 08:41:33 PM »
Its a spectacle/blockbuster movie that delivers majorly on the spectacle. Expect that and you wont be disappointed. If you expect anything deeper than that, you will.

EDIT: I wont watch this at home, Feder. It would be a completely gimped experience, since I have no intent of buying a 3D TV. Ill see this once more in theatres, then that will be it.

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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #353 on: December 18, 2009, 08:42:47 PM »
To be fair, I don't think we should have to lower our expectations considering the director. Cameron has been able to pull off compelling stories and spectacle before, why should not expect the same now?
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #354 on: December 18, 2009, 08:45:08 PM »
To be fair, I don't think we should have to lower our expectations considering the director. Cameron has been able to pull off compelling stories and spectacle before, why should not expect the same now?

I think he will.....in Avatar 2  :lol
Its quite obvious that after 12 years on the sidelines he was more concerned with revolutionizing tech and showing the Michael Bays of the world what action really is.

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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #355 on: December 18, 2009, 08:49:16 PM »
Okay, Solo's review is reasonable. Yours is useless nerd drivel.

This is why we named this emoticon after you:

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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #356 on: December 18, 2009, 08:51:47 PM »
 :lol

Don't forget, Cohen - it's "the biggest film of all-time!"
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #357 on: December 18, 2009, 08:52:27 PM »
Sounds like Cameron was personally handing out $100 bills at that showing.
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #358 on: December 18, 2009, 08:52:59 PM »
"Some people say that the film isn't original, but there is more creativity in one minute on the surface of Pandora than in any dozen plot-twisting dramas or thrillers." :greenshinobi
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Re: Early consensus on Avatar: May be too awesome for some.
« Reply #359 on: December 18, 2009, 08:56:05 PM »
:greenshinobi   "Better than some weird comics!"
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