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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #180 on: April 08, 2010, 12:51:24 PM »
Geometry Wars 2 is 5 bucks this week.
Is it worth it? I liked the first one alright, but am never compelled to play it.

It's terrific but if you didn't like the first this isn't going to change your opinion.
it might, there is a lot more variety. I have the 2nd but not the first.
I think it's worth $50 but I looooooved the first one.

Purchased. Awesome game is awesome. It varies the gameplay but uses the same classic mechanics. It's like Pacman CE is to the original. Faboo.  :heartbeat

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #181 on: April 10, 2010, 05:46:58 PM »
DJ Hero is going to be $50 at Toys R Us starting tomorrow  8)
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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #182 on: April 10, 2010, 06:01:36 PM »
DJ Hero is going to be $50 at Toys R Us starting tomorrow  8)

Good deal for apparently a good game. 
But I don't have room for any more giant controllers >_< 

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #183 on: April 11, 2010, 03:06:46 PM »
If you're a person who must have new instead of used, Left 4 Dead 2 is $27 on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Left-4-Dead-2-Xbox-360/dp/B002BRZ852/ref=pd_ts_vg_36?ie=UTF8&s=videogames

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #184 on: April 11, 2010, 03:33:45 PM »
I played L4D1 + 2 for a bit on the 360 and they're good games, but they have that lifelessness and floaty-ness that I've come to expect from PC games. They feel out of place on the 360.

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« Reply #185 on: April 11, 2010, 03:42:26 PM »
I played L4D1 + 2 for a bit on the 360 and they're good games, but they have that lifelessness and floaty-ness that I've come to expect from PC games. They feel out of place on the 360.

I actually agree about the floaty-ness and lifelessness of the source engine.

They are both very popular games on the 360. Probably sold more on that platform than the PC.

But I'm personally not really a fan of the series. But then there are lots of games that are popular or well reviewed that I'm not that really into.

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #186 on: April 15, 2010, 01:53:37 AM »
Free BING! shirt for 360 Avatars, requires Windows Live sign-in, and using the USA portal:
http://www.bing.com/search?q=xbox+avatar+bing+shirt&FORM=W0FD&setplang=en-US
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I'm a marketing whore for substandard search engines, sure, but it's FREE AVATAR SWAG. :hyper

I see the IR goggles for Modern Warfare 2 were free the other day, but are 240 spacebux now. I missed out!  :-\

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #187 on: April 16, 2010, 02:22:51 AM »
The best racing game this gen, Wipeout HD, is $10 this week on PSN as part of their "Spring Fever" sale.
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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #188 on: April 16, 2010, 02:32:08 AM »
Wipeout is overrated.  Sure, it's pretty but I've yet to see anyone be able to drive properly. 

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #189 on: April 16, 2010, 03:31:50 AM »
I played L4D1 + 2 for a bit on the 360 and they're good games, but they have that lifelessness and floaty-ness that I've come to expect from PC games. They feel out of place on the 360.

I actually agree about the floaty-ness and lifelessness of the source engine.

They are both very popular games on the 360. Probably sold more on that platform than the PC.

But I'm personally not really a fan of the series. But then there are lots of games that are popular or well reviewed that I'm not that really into.

:lol :lol

Carry on.

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #190 on: April 16, 2010, 04:34:38 AM »
Wipeout is overrated.  Sure, it's pretty but I've yet to see anyone be able to drive properly. 

It just depends which speed class you're playing on. The highest one (phantom? can't remember) is so god damn fast that I'm always crashing into something. The ones below it are very manageable.
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« Reply #191 on: April 30, 2010, 03:40:27 PM »
there are some big deals happening on gamestop and amazon.  it seems like they're both trying to match and outdo each other.  Bioshock is $24 with $10 credit.  Same with Episodes from Liberty City on PC.

http://www.gamestop.com/browse/ProductMerch.aspx?groupid=847

those games

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« Reply #192 on: May 04, 2010, 12:58:52 PM »
Humble Indie Bundle
http://www.wolfire.com/humble

Some good indie games in there.  Pay what you feel like and feel good about supporting charities and developers :)

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #193 on: May 04, 2010, 01:14:18 PM »
Thanks. Just spent $0. Nobody actually buys PC games
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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #194 on: May 04, 2010, 01:18:11 PM »
I can pay 0$ for all those games, and I still don't want them.

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« Reply #195 on: May 04, 2010, 01:26:23 PM »
wasn't Gish popular back in 2004 or something? that is the only thing that looks interesting.  that or that first person horror game.

I bought world of goo for a $1 before and it's one of those games where the all the hype is confusing.  It was really boring.

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« Reply #196 on: May 04, 2010, 03:23:02 PM »
Yeah, Gish was what Sony ripped off to make Locoroco.
Aquaria is supposed to be a really good metroidvania
Goo is Goo
Penumbra is creepy horror adventure
No idea about the bunny man one

The only game I owned of those already was Penumbra so I thought it was a good pack.

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #197 on: June 10, 2010, 06:09:25 PM »
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Microsoft is giving you plenty of reason to hop on the old Xbox 360 and try out a few Xbox Live Arcade games during the week of E3. All of last year's Summer of Arcade games will be on sale as the Xbox Live Deal of the Week. The company will also be running an Inventory Blowout Sale on nearly 20 other titles.

The Xbox Live Deal of the Week discounts are only available to Xbox Live Gold Members. It begins June 14. Here is that set of deals:

Shadow Complex
Normal Price: 1200
DOTW Price: 560

Trials HD
Normal Price: 1200
DOTW Price: 560

Marvel vs Capcom 2
Normal Price:1200
DOTW Price: 560

TMNT Turtles in Time HD
Normal Price: 800
DOTW Price: 400

Splosion Man
Normal Price: 800
DOTW Price: 400

Also running from June 16 to June 22 is the Blowout Sale. Here is that set of discounts:

A Kingdom for Keflings
Normal Price: 800
Blow out Price: 400

Alien Hominid HD
Normal Price: 800
Blow out Price: 400

Banjo Tooie
Normal Price: 1200
Blow out Price: 800

Bionic Commando Rearmed
Normal Price: 800
Blow out Price: 400

Bomberman LIVE
Normal Price: 800
Blow out Price: 400

Braid
Normal Price: 1200
Blow out Price: 800

Castle Crashers
Normal Price: 1200
Blow out Price: 800

Castlevania Symphony of the Night
Normal Price: 800
Blow out Price: 400

Contra
Normal Price: 400
Blow out Price: 240

Crystal Defenders
Normal Price: 800
Blow out Price: 400

Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 2
Normal Price: 800
Blow out Price: 400

Magic the Gathering
Normal Price: 800
Blow out Price: 400

N+
Normal Price: 800
Blow out Price: 400

Panzer General
Normal Price: 800
Blow out Price: 400

Portal
Normal Price: 1200
Blow out Price: 800

TMNT: 1989 Arcade
Normal Price: 400
Blow out Price: 240

Uno Rush
Normal Price: 800
Blow out Price: 400

Vandal Hearts: Flames of Judgment
Normal Price: 1200
Blow out Price: 800

Zombie Apocalypse
Normal Price: 800
Blow out Price: 400

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #198 on: June 10, 2010, 06:39:18 PM »
Good deal, but I already have almost all of those games. Guess I will buy Vandal Hearts finally, the demo seemed good enough.
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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #199 on: June 10, 2010, 06:52:17 PM »
I might finally buy Trials HD.
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« Reply #200 on: June 10, 2010, 07:07:31 PM »
I might finally buy Trials HD.
same

Already have Shadow Complex, MvC2, Splosion Man, BC: Rearmed, Castle Crashers, GeoWars2, and N+. Not interested in playing SOTN or Crystal Defenders on my TV with borders. Turtles in Time remake and Braid are trash. Don't know about the rest.

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #201 on: June 10, 2010, 07:16:52 PM »
Kind of interested in Shadow Complex but something about the feel of that game always turns me off. It's too floaty or something.
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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #202 on: June 10, 2010, 08:27:30 PM »
Gold member discounts :rock
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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #203 on: June 13, 2010, 08:05:30 PM »
Might get Alien Hominid. Could finally get rid of my PS2 version.
If you figure out how to get 5000km in Soviet Missile Strike minigame, let me know.  :'(

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #204 on: June 13, 2010, 08:10:46 PM »
You get it by dodging the things. Not difficult
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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #205 on: June 14, 2010, 02:51:34 AM »
You get it by dodging the things. Not difficult
You'd think.
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« Reply #206 on: June 14, 2010, 03:17:36 AM »
You get it by dodging the things. Not difficult
You'd think.
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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #207 on: June 29, 2010, 01:24:40 AM »
Xbox LIVE Deal of the Week:

Critic’s Choice: Next weeks Xbox LIVE Deals of the week are some Arcade favorites:

Defense Grid, 400 Points

PB Winterbottom, 400 Points

Rocket Riot, 400 Points

Darwinia+, 800 Points

Chime, 240 Points

Poker Smash, 400 Points

You must be an Xbox LIVE Gold member to access this special DOTW pricing which will start Monday, June 28, 2010.

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« Reply #208 on: June 30, 2010, 12:21:04 PM »
Poker Smash rocks. I always try to pimp that game when I can.

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« Reply #209 on: July 01, 2010, 04:01:10 AM »
Xbox LIVE Deal of the Week:

Critic’s Choice: Next weeks Xbox LIVE Deals of the week are some Arcade favorites:

Defense Grid, 400 Points

PB Winterbottom, 400 Points

Rocket Riot, 400 Points

Darwinia+, 800 Points

Chime, 240 Points

Poker Smash, 400 Points

You must be an Xbox LIVE Gold member to access this special DOTW pricing which will start Monday, June 28, 2010.
Any opinions on Winterbottom or Darwinia?

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« Reply #210 on: July 01, 2010, 07:14:16 AM »
Winterbottom is pretty neat.  It is sort of like Braid with less of the pretentious "oh look at me I'm art" aspect.

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« Reply #211 on: July 01, 2010, 08:47:35 AM »
Winterbottom is pretty good. I'm not saying its a better game than Braid but they do a better job of explaining the concept and how to play where as Braid just throws you to the wolves when you start playing.

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« Reply #212 on: July 01, 2010, 08:48:39 AM »
I might finally buy Trials HD.

I'm mulling it. Motocross Maniacs was pretty badass back in the day.

Decided to go with Joe Danger instead. It's better than Trials HD.

From the videos I've seen Joe Danger is also more my speed rather than Trials HD which is a neat game but just too difficult for me. But if someone likes brutally hard games then Trials HD fits that bill very well.

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« Reply #213 on: July 01, 2010, 03:32:46 PM »

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« Reply #214 on: July 01, 2010, 03:58:04 PM »
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/events/liveapalooza/default.htm

Bunch of music game DLC is on sale.

I need to get a point card and get Ten and the Nirvana 01 pack.

Oh wait, it doesn't start until the 6th.
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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #215 on: July 01, 2010, 05:32:44 PM »
I didn't even notice that, lol.

I own most of the Rock Band songs on that list anyway. :'(

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #216 on: July 01, 2010, 07:57:42 PM »
Any opinions on Winterbottom or Darwinia?
Darwinia seems like a good game, but it was obviously designed for the PC. Playing the demo on the Xbox controller was annoying.

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« Reply #217 on: July 05, 2010, 01:06:32 AM »
Cool, thanks for the opinions. I'll demo Darwinia, but I think I'll likely pass on the XBLA stuff and grab some of that DLC music then/

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #218 on: July 13, 2010, 07:27:22 PM »
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-dw-49-en-70-3i6y.html

Asia version (no region lock) of Supreme Commander 2 is 13.90USD (1240 yenz). I am a big, big fan of Total Annihilation, but didn't pick up SC1 because the controls were crap on 360 and the PC version was way, way  outside my Windows machine's spec. I think I'll pick this up though. Anyone know if it's good or bad?

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #219 on: July 13, 2010, 07:33:19 PM »
Late I know, but my opinion of Winterbottom is: average

Seemed kinda clever, and the Pies had some pretty sweet DSL's, but I could tell the trial and error gameplay combined with annoying controls and movement would get frustrating very fast. Graphics werent bad, but the faux-old timey music and cringe worthy limericks between levels really grated on me.

Probably was worth 400pts if you were bored, though.
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« Reply #220 on: July 13, 2010, 08:09:55 PM »
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-dw-49-en-70-3i6y.html

Asia version (no region lock) of Supreme Commander 2 is 13.90USD (1240 yenz). I am a big, big fan of Total Annihilation, but didn't pick up SC1 because the controls were crap on 360 and the PC version was way, way  outside my Windows machine's spec. I think I'll pick this up though. Anyone know if it's good or bad?

All I heard was that SupCom 1 had craaaaaaaaaaaaazy amount of micromanagement and people loved/hated it.

SupCom 2 was like "screw being complex.  Let's make an rts for dummies!" and got rid of all the micro-management and totally mainstreamed it and fans of the first game were up in arms against it.

I loved TA back in the day, but never played either.  RTS games just don't do anything for me anymore :X

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #221 on: July 16, 2010, 01:21:37 AM »
Late I know, but my opinion of Winterbottom is: average
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Probably was worth 400pts if you were bored, though.
I am honestly almost never bored. Way too much to do, enjoy, battle, destroy, or appreciate in the real world. Already hard enough to make time for games and noninteractive crap like tv and movies.


http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-dw-49-en-70-3i6y.html

Asia version (no region lock) of Supreme Commander 2 is 13.90USD (1240 yenz). I am a big, big fan of Total Annihilation, but didn't pick up SC1 because the controls were crap on 360 and the PC version was way, way  outside my Windows machine's spec. I think I'll pick this up though. Anyone know if it's good or bad?

All I heard was that SupCom 1 had craaaaaaaaaaaaazy amount of micromanagement and people loved/hated it.

SupCom 2 was like "screw being complex.  Let's make an rts for dummies!" and got rid of all the micro-management and totally mainstreamed it and fans of the first game were up in arms against it.

I loved TA back in the day, but never played either.  RTS games just don't do anything for me anymore :X
Hm. I honestly don't even remember exactly why I was so into TA. Seems like everyone was busy fellating Warcraft 1 and 2, overlooking their simplicity and lack of endgame balance, and every other company in the world was trying to make a clone of that, but when TA came out it had better game balance, more interesting strategies, clever means of displaying 3D objects and terrain... IIRC you could even add units to your build queue and have them immediately join a group on a waypoint-laden patrol path from the instant they were created. So cool -- and this was like 15 years ago!

Basically everything was improved over StarCraft except the game flavor, the personality of the characters and the feeling of the world.

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #222 on: July 17, 2010, 01:30:08 PM »
http://store.thq.com/store/thq/en_US/list&parentCategoryID=&categoryID=39206600&resultsPerPage=42

THQ Sale

Metro 2033 - $12.50
Dawn of War II: Chaos Rising - $7.50
Dawn of War II - $7.50
Supreme Commander Gold Edition - $7.50
Saints Row 2 - $5


Metro 2033 & Dawn of War II serial numbers can be activated on steam


I picked up Metro.  Was waiting for it to hit $10, but that's close enough.

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #223 on: July 17, 2010, 01:34:31 PM »
Being a better RTS then StarCraft 1 or 2 isn't exactly an accomplishment though. SC2 is practically a retro remake in the RTS landscape considering all the improvements the genre has gone through.
I meant that at the time, WarCraft 2 was what people got worked up about, and it seemed like Total Annihilation should have swept the rug out from under it. Instead, it had a decent niche crowd, and Blizzard went on to voltron with Activision and become the game industry's version of Galactus.

I'm going to bed, see if I can edit any more mixed metaphors into this when I wake up. I shouldn't gargle with whisky.

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #224 on: July 17, 2010, 01:42:57 PM »
SupCom 2 is awful awful awful. I guess it's worth $8, but I'd just as soon play Forged Alliance instead

edit: Oh I saw the SupCom 2 talk above and thought that's what was being sold for $8. Guess it would have been weird for a game that's only 4 months old
« Last Edit: July 17, 2010, 07:46:53 PM by OptimoPeach »
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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #225 on: July 17, 2010, 03:24:36 PM »
I picked up Metro 2033, that's a great price.  Heads-up, I read where it takes upwards of an hour to receive the key code email, and they don't send any kind of confirmation email first, so don't panic if you don't get the email straight away after purchase.
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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #226 on: July 17, 2010, 03:31:18 PM »
Yeah it's been half an hour since I bought Chaos Rising and I haven't received anything yet.

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« Reply #227 on: July 17, 2010, 03:42:52 PM »
Just got mine, took about 15 minutes, guess the time varies wildly.
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« Reply #228 on: July 22, 2010, 12:20:03 AM »
SupCom 2 is awful awful awful. I guess it's worth $8, but I'd just as soon play Forged Alliance instead

edit: Oh I saw the SupCom 2 talk above and thought that's what was being sold for $8. Guess it would have been weird for a game that's only 4 months old
Actually, SupCom2 was on sale for like 1100 yenz, so I dropped that and Crackdown 2 in my Play-Asia cart, then spent 20 minutes trying to figure out to what new location or step they'd moved the "Redeem Coupon." It would have been like 3200 yen for both, but I couldn't use my coupon so I ended up thinking about it too much and realized I don't really have time to play either of them right now. NO SALE.

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #229 on: July 22, 2010, 03:45:14 AM »
Copy-paste from Kinect thread

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Kinect...$89


Microsoft's Kinect was just confirmed to be priced at $149.99, some believe the price is a tad bit high for what the Xbox 360 ad-on does. If you pre-order Kinect today you will set your purchase price at just $89 dollars. To acquire this super deal do as follows:

Head To Toys-R-US And Add Kinect To Your Cart
Apply the code: 939418 In The Cart
It's that simple.
Hurry before it expires or taken down.

http://www.ironstarmovement.com/profiles/blogs/kinect-reasonably-priced-at-89

Apparently it's save 40% on all videogame accessories
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« Reply #230 on: July 22, 2010, 07:52:36 AM »
Even 89 is too high.  :-\
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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #231 on: July 22, 2010, 09:08:35 AM »
Would do if they had announced a couple actual games for it. As it stands now I wouldn't pay $50 for it.

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« Reply #232 on: July 22, 2010, 09:19:59 AM »
Isn't MS offering a 299USD bundle in November? I thought about getting in on that, but with my RRoD it is more likely I'll buy a new unit before then and poop on Kinect for a year.

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« Reply #233 on: July 22, 2010, 09:37:34 AM »
Isn't MS offering a 299USD bundle in November? I thought about getting in on that, but with my RRoD it is more likely I'll buy a new unit before then and poop on Kinect for a year.

Yes,4GB Kinect Arcade.

Btw,that deal is dead now.
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« Reply #234 on: July 22, 2010, 09:52:21 AM »
That was a good fucking deal. 40% off anything is a good deal.

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« Reply #235 on: August 05, 2010, 03:42:06 PM »
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Week 1 RPG
Dragon Age: Origins $14.97
Dragon Age: Origins Digital Deluxe Edition $19.97
Mass Effect 2 14.97
The Witcher: Enhanced Edition Director's Cut $6.78
Beyond Divinity $3.39
Deus Ex Invisible War $3.39
Deus Ex: Game of the Year Edition $3.39
THQ Complete Collection $49.99
Titan Quest 3.73
Titan Quest Gold 4.97
Titan Quest Immortal Throne 3.73
Beyond Divinity $3.39
Mount & Blade 10.48
Mount & Blade Warband 20.06
Box art: The Great White Destroyer
The Great White Destroyer 2.99
Loki 3.39
King's Bounty The Legend 2.49
King's Bounty Gold Edition 9.98
King's Bounty: Armored Princess 7.48
Gothic Universe 14.97
Gothic III Gold Edition 7.48
Gothic III Forsaken Gods 9.47
Gothic III 7.47
Gothic II $4.95
Gothic II Gold Edition $4.97 (
Gothic II: Night of the Raven $4.97

http://www.gamersgate.com/summersale?aff=cag

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Re: Online or retail shopping gaming deals thread
« Reply #236 on: August 05, 2010, 04:13:10 PM »
I remember when I bought The Witcher Enhanced Edition for 40 bucks or something on Steam.

I've played it for maybe 20 minutes. :lol

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« Reply #238 on: August 06, 2010, 05:28:51 PM »
dead

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« Reply #239 on: August 06, 2010, 05:30:42 PM »
Check back... I thought it was dead too
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