Author Topic: FitnessBore - 2018 edition (Read 973125 times)

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #4860 on:** January 28, 2013, 10:57:55 PM »

Also, how you react to Carb nite is like how you react to any meal - entirely dependent on the quality of the food, regardless of macronutrients. Eat too much bad food and you won't feel good, even if it has the desired metabolic effect

Groogrux · « **Reply #4861 on:** January 28, 2013, 11:01:01 PM »

I've already discovered a late-in-life slight intolerance to lactose (I get a soured stomach if I eat too much dairy) and I've dealt with it.

If I'm gluten-intolerant too, I'm just going to be pissed.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #4862 on:** January 28, 2013, 11:17:21 PM »

well uh it sucks for sure but better to actually know for sure and be able to do something about it than just keep eating it and suffer all kinds of complications.

It's actually easier to tell people you are gluten-intolerant rather than trying to explain to them why you are choosing not to eat junk food, I find. It's like how no-one forces booze on someone who describes themselves as an alcoholic but if your friend just doesn't want to get drunk that night, you will wear him down with abuse until he gives in....some days it feels like everyone in the world wants me to eat their bread

Groogrux · « **Reply #4863 on:** January 28, 2013, 11:20:37 PM »

I won't lie, if it weren't for the whole "it makes me fat" thing, I would have felt comfortable living a life in ignorance!

But yeah, now that you put it that way, it will make it easier to say that I have an allergy to keep friends from wanting to shove shit down my throat.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #4864 on:** January 28, 2013, 11:40:29 PM »

it seems so, yes. Ultra low carb will work at first but the metabolism will slow and you'll be short on energy if you do anything in the glycolitic pathway (cardio, basically). The body uses the available food more efficiently and fat loss slows. CNS is pretty similar to Tim Ferriss' slow carb diet with the weekly cheat day on which anything goes in that respect. Neither works as advertised if you slack on the carb/cheat days. Although of course the dosage and timing and quality is always important

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #4865 on:** January 29, 2013, 09:19:38 AM »

Groogux, use those pork rinds as "breading" and make chicken nuggets / fried chicken. Pork rinds redeemed.

Groogrux · « **Reply #4866 on:** January 29, 2013, 09:56:44 AM »

OH YEAH! I do remember reading about them being used for that! I might give that a shot before I give them away.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #4867 on:** January 29, 2013, 10:01:35 AM »

Ive never had pork rinds before I heard they're disgusting but I wanted to try them for chicken nuggets.

I just bought the carb nite book, I want to try it and I want those recipes also.

Plus I also want to eat some chinese food in 10 days time

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #4868 on:** January 29, 2013, 10:54:07 AM »

I've only tried pork rinds a few times but found them to be pretty foul.

Why not use almond flour? Maybe like this: http://www.granolamom4god.com/2011/04/never-fail-almond-flour-chicken-fingers.html

Mupepe · « **Reply #4869 on:** January 29, 2013, 11:02:56 AM »

I think the quality of pork rinds varies pretty greatly (like most foods). The bagged ones are trash, but getting them from my local mexican market is

DCharlieJP · « **Reply #4870 on:** January 29, 2013, 11:04:55 AM »

got my fat ass back moving from my quagmire of redundancy - 32km walked, with 2 hours 30 of futsal at the end of it.

Fucking awesome.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #4871 on:** January 29, 2013, 12:13:49 PM »

what do you guys use for whey protein btw

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #4872 on:** January 29, 2013, 12:19:01 PM »

Quote from: The Business on January 29, 2013, 11:16:44 AM

Cormac, what's your opinion on paleo baking? I want to hate it because it seems indulgent and silly.

Almost as indulgent and silly as framing dietary choices in terms of moral virtue...

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #4873 on:** January 29, 2013, 12:27:40 PM »

Hitting a protein = weight in grams is a damn pain. In an effort to achieve this I've bought a whole rotisserie chicken and plan on eating half on one day. Also taking an extra scoop of whey protein. Even then its still cutting it close.

Groogrux · « **Reply #4874 on:** January 29, 2013, 12:29:23 PM »

Quote from: MyNameIsMethodis on January 29, 2013, 12:13:49 PM

what do you guys use for whey protein btw

I use ON 100% Gold Standard Whey. It tastes pretty good and it's only 4g carbs per scoop. The only drawback to it is that it costs anywhere from $65-75 for 5lbs of the stuff.

I did find some new stuff at NutriShop though that is only 2g carbs per scoop. It's ForzaPro and it's only $55 for 5lbs. I think I'll check it out here soon.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #4875 on:** January 29, 2013, 12:31:06 PM »

ya thats what I use although I highly reccomend against the rocky road flavor :puke

was wondering if there was other brands tho

also I found this cool recipe

No Carb Ice Cream
"
A Magic Bullet works great for this, but I believe a blender could work. Get ice cubes and fill it almost to the top. Then add water till pretty much filled. (If using MB Tall Cup) add a sweetener like Stevia and/or Splenda. I use DaVinci Sugar Free syrup (vanilla or chocolate) and BetterStevia. Blend and till mixed and bam! Ice cream
"

it ws on that forum http://dangerouslyhardcore.com/forum/index.php?topic=1970.0

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #4876 on:** January 29, 2013, 12:58:40 PM »

Quote from: MyNameIsMethodis on January 29, 2013, 12:13:49 PM

what do you guys use for whey protein btw

Sams Club sells a 5 lb sack for 35 dollars. It's not the best tasting, but it's not awful.

Although you need a membership to shop there.

Mupepe · « **Reply #4877 on:** January 29, 2013, 01:03:49 PM »

Quote from: BlueTsunami on January 29, 2013, 12:27:40 PM

Hitting a protein = weight in grams is a damn pain. In an effort to achieve this I've bought a whole rotisserie chicken and plan on eating half on one day. Also taking an extra scoop of whey protein. Even then its still cutting it close.

You guys are crazy. My fat ass weighs 200 lbs and I hit 220 grams of protein everyday pretty easily. More lean meats! I haven't touched protein supplements in over a year. When I stopped using them my lifts got better and I lost more weight. I'll probably never use it again.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #4878 on:** January 29, 2013, 01:11:18 PM »

Protein shakes are one of the few things that are guarenteed to give me intense nausea. $:-\$

Years ago I used to incorporate them into fruit smoothies and seemed to tolerate them much better - mixed straight with water fucks my shit up though

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #4879 on:** January 29, 2013, 01:13:00 PM »

the chocolate On one is pretty good, isucks that they cost so much money tho

Mupepe · « **Reply #4880 on:** January 29, 2013, 03:01:42 PM »

Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 29, 2013, 02:52:12 PM

I just started looking up the carbs in the foods I'm eating, and it's ridiculous. I rarely, if ever, ingest grains, and yet I'm still probably going over 50g a day. Fruit has carbs? Fucking soy milk has carbs? At this rate, my ULC days will be nothing but lean meat, green vegetables, and water.

Sounds about right.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #4881 on:** January 29, 2013, 03:33:16 PM »

Has any of you used FiveFingers shoes? If so can you recommend a model?

I've borrowed my roommate's ones, and I really dug them, but they were the classic model (and the wrong size).

Groogrux · « **Reply #4882 on:** January 29, 2013, 03:34:16 PM »

Quote from: The Business on January 29, 2013, 02:46:27 PM

You check the ingredients on this? I've been using ON Gold Standard for years but recently ideas the ingredients and they include soy and gluten. I wonder if whey is even necessary to build muscle considering our protein heavy diets.

Shit. Well, I guess it's back to the drawing board on proteins then. I don't know about whey specifically, but I still want it/use it for the days I work out on or if I need a quick filling drink. The protein powders provide that and they give a quickly absorbing source of protein too, which is good for post-workout.

Is it absolutely necessary on a diet like ours? Probably not, but it helps a lot.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #4883 on:** January 29, 2013, 03:41:36 PM »

Carb Night said to take it anyways as it's used for not exercising or w/e. He does reccomend the no carb version but I cna't find that anyweres.

Shaka get some Minimus Vibram Soled Shoes from New Balance instead. You won't look like a paedo and theyre extremely comfortable

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #4884 on:** January 29, 2013, 03:43:52 PM »

Also from a quick reading of Carb Night he didn't seem to say to stay away from gluten much. It wasn't as "paleo" as I was expecting if that makes sense. Granted Icould've missed it but it just seemed to me to be more "under 30gs of carbs a day" but not as much limits on to what you eat (except stay away from HFCS)_

Fifstar · « **Reply #4885 on:** January 29, 2013, 04:00:40 PM »

Why does that matter though? If you believe that Paleo is a healthy way to eat, you should still follow it's principles even if you combine it with carb night or whatever.

Groogrux · « **Reply #4886 on:** January 29, 2013, 04:07:49 PM »

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #4887 on:** January 29, 2013, 04:15:01 PM »

no no no i was saying that im not sure why a very small amount of gluten in the whey protein matters if youre doing like carb night since carb night doesnt seem to be as anti gluten as paleo is

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #4888 on:** January 29, 2013, 05:58:34 PM »

Quote from: The Business on January 29, 2013, 11:16:44 AM

Cormac, what's your opinion on paleo baking? I want to hate it because it seems indulgent and silly.

The endless attempts to make some kind of pizza out of paleo ingredients seems kind of pathetic to me but who am I to deny human creativity. The only real problems are that 1) it doesn't really ever work the way they want it to, 2) if it did, they'd then overeat it just like normal pizza, because it will inevitably be a very high calorie density food. Hyper-palatable, high food reward, whatever you want to call it.

I do use almond meal for breading pork chops, thickening sauces and so on though, works pretty well. Opens up a lot of different possibilities.

Awesome-O - as i said to Groogrux a page or so back, you subtract the fiber from the carb counts. You still won't be having any fruit on a ULC day though. Not sure what you were expecting...bananas ain't protein bars

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #4889 on:** January 29, 2013, 06:07:18 PM »

Quote from: MyNameIsMethodis on January 29, 2013, 03:43:52 PM

Also from a quick reading of Carb Night he didn't seem to say to stay away from gluten much. It wasn't as "paleo" as I was expecting if that makes sense. Granted Icould've missed it but it just seemed to me to be more "under 30gs of carbs a day" but not as much limits on to what you eat (except stay away from HFCS)_

Carb Nite was written in 2005. A lot of it is outdated. The recipes/food suggestions are TERRIBLE, the sort of shit that was getting recommended to Atkins dieters 15 years ago. We know a lot better now.

Mupepe · « **Reply #4890 on:** January 29, 2013, 06:15:14 PM »

Staying under 30g of carbs a day is easy even if you devour a shitton of vegetables. There's something like 4.1g of carbs in 10 oz's of spinach and only 65 calories. Fucking ridiculous. Eat up!

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #4891 on:** January 29, 2013, 06:28:28 PM »

Quote from: Shaka Khan on January 29, 2013, 03:33:16 PM

Has any of you used FiveFingers shoes? If so can you recommend a model?

I've borrowed my roommate's ones, and I really dug them, but they were the classic model (and the wrong size).

I have 5 pairs of 'em

Correct sizing is a must. The absolute best are what they now call the 'Classics' which are super simple. They're 'barely there' and once you break them in a bit they'll just feel like a thin sock.

Recently they've got more and more like regular sneakers, getting heavier and heavier - over-designed basically. OTOH, if you are going to run seriously in them, one of the specialist models is a good idea. I like the Komodo Sport (they seem to be calling it KMD Sport now) and the Sprint (these are pretty damn light). Bikila LS is also good but the lace tab attachment things are seriously fragile. The velcro straps will last longer. Basically the heavier and the more there is of the shoe, the better-suited they are to colder temps. So you might want to consider getting a light pair of Classics for spring and summer and one of the trail-running deals for colder months. As much as I like them though they are basically unwearable outside for 3-6 months of the year here in Japan, even with socks. In winter though, they are GREAT for wearing around the house....i keep a pair clean for this purpose.

If you get some, I HIGHLY recommend Tabio toe socks. They are so much better than the Injinji ones everyone seems to use in Crossfit circles. They literally absorb so much stink they are unwearable very quickly.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #4892 on:** January 29, 2013, 07:02:31 PM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 29, 2013, 06:07:18 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsMethodis on January 29, 2013, 03:43:52 PM
Also from a quick reading of Carb Night he didn't seem to say to stay away from gluten much. It wasn't as "paleo" as I was expecting if that makes sense. Granted Icould've missed it but it just seemed to me to be more "under 30gs of carbs a day" but not as much limits on to what you eat (except stay away from HFCS)_

Carb Nite was written in 2005. A lot of it is outdated. The recipes/food suggestions are TERRIBLE, the sort of shit that was getting recommended to Atkins dieters 15 years ago. We know a lot better now.

:doh

oh well was still a fun read. not worth $20 in content but I enjoyed it.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #4893 on:** January 29, 2013, 07:03:51 PM »

Also, is the advice of it only being a six month diet still credible? I mean I don't mind changing to a "higher carb diet" (what would classify this anyways? it's not identified in the book) when six months are over, but wouldn't mind styaing on past 6 months if I do enjoy it.

Groogrux · « **Reply #4894 on:** January 29, 2013, 07:06:53 PM »

Yeah, I have a pair of the Komodos that I've had for (I would have to check the thread to see when I actually bought them) almost 3 years. Other than being a little discolored from having them for so long, they're in great shape!

I wear mine EVERY time I go to the gym, and then when shorts season comes back I wear them on a daily basis. I didn't buy the classics right off because I didn't like how they looked. But I've been toying with the idea of getting a pair to wear around during the summer in lieu of flip-flops or sandals.

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #4895 on:** January 29, 2013, 07:34:42 PM »

Speaking of shoes, just saw these today:

For the person who likes to run in loose gravel?

Beezy · « **Reply #4896 on:** January 29, 2013, 07:37:18 PM »

Anti-ankle roll sneakers?

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #4897 on:** January 29, 2013, 07:43:12 PM »

I imagine those are for mountain runners since alot of mountain trials are very very very narrow and slanted

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #4898 on:** January 29, 2013, 08:12:19 PM »

On the whey protein thing - I have come around on it thanks to various new bits of info from Kiefer, Robb Wolf and Chris Kresser. It's gonna take me a while to get my thoughts together on it all but it is NOT just for mass gain. It is about the cheapest and easiest way of cleaning up free radicals (the product of oxidative stress) and therefore a no-brainer in terms of anti-aging, cancer prevention etc. As well as being 'protein insurance' to prevent catabolysis.

The CBL book has a nice concise piece on this but I'll have a dig around for anything in print from Kresser and Wolf. I am about as sensitive to gluten as you can get (i got spun out a few days back by eating a single tiny cookie that my daughter baked....) and I get no ill effects from whey. I take a brand that is something insane like 99.97% protein, no flavorings or additives. No gluten. It has some soy lecithin but that doesn't bother me in dark chocolate and Robb Wolf also seems to think it is not a big deal for most. (according to a recent podcast of his...).

Groogrux · « **Reply #4899 on:** January 29, 2013, 08:40:54 PM »

What's the name of the protein and how much does it cost?

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #4900 on:** January 29, 2013, 08:48:33 PM »

it's Japanese unfortunately - Kentai

but as always a few seconds of googling yields the bounty - http://www.theceliacdiva.com/gluten-free-protein-powder/

Groogrux · « **Reply #4901 on:** January 29, 2013, 09:28:39 PM »

So this Forza Pro protein is a blend of casein and whey protein. I posted about it on the DH forum and one guy seemed hesitant of it. Is it just because it is milk based?

I was thinking the casein would be good because it's slow-acting, which would make it last longer in my body. Am I wrong on this?

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #4902 on:** January 29, 2013, 09:39:43 PM »

all whey is milk based AFAIK

all protein is 'slow-acting' - it's gonna be 2-3hrs or so before even a shake is digested

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #4903 on:** January 29, 2013, 11:34:06 PM »

You're full blown celiac Cormac?

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #4904 on:** January 29, 2013, 11:37:48 PM »

Quote from: The Business on January 29, 2013, 11:30:57 PM

You eat dark chocolate with soy in it too? It's cheap filler. The whole concept pisses me off, but I've been hyper-aware of it since I was a kid and my mom developed a severe adult-onset soy allergy. These days she runs a soy-free blog and Twitter!

Yeah, for texture reasons. It doesn't seem to do me any harm, and avoiding soy in Japan is

levels of difficulty anyway. Mostly I only need to be careful about this stuff when I'm already sick, i.e. the immune system is already compromised.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #4905 on:** January 30, 2013, 12:57:20 AM »

Lost six pounds in two weeks from my newly disgusting semi-belly. Started to run two weeks ago and doing basic cardio at the apartment. I'm not really interested in going to a gym because I'm self conscious fuck you guys

So the weight loss is good, I'm at 168 now and I'm just trying to get this belly minimized while getting some tone.

tl;dr I suck at fitness and ignorant to all this shit you guys are talking about but I've started to enjoy running and its helped me lose a bit of weight

Beezy · « **Reply #4906 on:** January 30, 2013, 01:02:13 AM »

"That's just water weight.

Good luck losing more without changing your diet.

cardio " - Cormac

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #4907 on:** January 30, 2013, 01:11:12 AM »

holy shit

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #4908 on:** January 30, 2013, 01:11:39 AM »

UNLEASH THE ATTACK DOGS OF FITNESS BORE

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #4909 on:** January 30, 2013, 01:17:13 AM »

to be fair I have changed my diet the last month. Cut off a lot of dairy other than cheese on sandwiches and I've been eating lots more potatos. Oh and trying to have just one night of beer with friends, I was drinking too often last year.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #4910 on:** January 30, 2013, 01:17:49 AM »

oh and a mixed bowl of fruit for a snack at work

Beezy · « **Reply #4911 on:** January 30, 2013, 01:22:46 AM »

"Fruits have a lot of sugar.

Cut out the carbs if you wanna lose body fat.

MEAT AND VEGGIES ARE ALL YOU NEED" - Cormac

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #4912 on:** January 30, 2013, 01:26:28 AM »

fuck you I'll eat a kiwi and I'll love it and SO WILL YOU ASSHOLES

Beezy · « **Reply #4913 on:** January 30, 2013, 01:35:39 AM »

Keep coming into this thread and you'll be ridiculed into joining the cult of Cormac.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #4914 on:** January 30, 2013, 02:00:08 AM »

let's go with 'Cult' for alliterative purposes Beezy

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #4915 on:** January 30, 2013, 02:00:52 AM »

actually IIRC The Business made a post very much like yours ages ago and look at him now

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #4916 on:** January 30, 2013, 02:11:59 AM »

honestly the weight gain was mostly beer consumption

I don't know if that's better or just more sad

Beezy · « **Reply #4917 on:** January 30, 2013, 02:21:25 AM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 30, 2013, 02:00:08 AM

let's go with 'Cult' for alliterative purposes Beezy

It is done, my liege.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #4918 on:** January 30, 2013, 02:34:58 AM »

you're kind of an asshole.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #4919 on:** January 30, 2013, 02:47:36 AM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 29, 2013, 06:28:28 PM

Quote from: Shaka Khan on January 29, 2013, 03:33:16 PM
Has any of you used FiveFingers shoes? If so can you recommend a model?

I've borrowed my roommate's ones, and I really dug them, but they were the classic model (and the wrong size).

I have 5 pairs of 'em

Correct sizing is a must. The absolute best are what they now call the 'Classics' which are super simple. They're 'barely there' and once you break them in a bit they'll just feel like a thin sock.

(Image removed from quote.)

Recently they've got more and more like regular sneakers, getting heavier and heavier - over-designed basically. OTOH, if you are going to run seriously in them, one of the specialist models is a good idea. I like the Komodo Sport (they seem to be calling it KMD Sport now) and the Sprint (these are pretty damn light). Bikila LS is also good but the lace tab attachment things are seriously fragile. The velcro straps will last longer. Basically the heavier and the more there is of the shoe, the better-suited they are to colder temps. So you might want to consider getting a light pair of Classics for spring and summer and one of the trail-running deals for colder months. As much as I like them though they are basically unwearable outside for 3-6 months of the year here in Japan, even with socks. In winter though, they are GREAT for wearing around the house....i keep a pair clean for this purpose.

If you get some, I HIGHLY recommend Tabio toe socks. They are so much better than the Injinji ones everyone seems to use in Crossfit circles. They literally absorb so much stink they are unwearable very quickly.

This post.

Thanks buddy.

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Author Topic: FitnessBore - 2018 edition (Read 973125 times)