Your toughts on SNES&NES Final Fantasies?

[Mr. Gundam]

Those changes are never really monumental changes and almost never enough to win back or interest the old crowd.

I'm talking something big, here. RE1-3 -> RE4 big. And they should stick with it, too. Not just employ this drastic change for one game.

Because unless yer Dragon Quest, following the 20 year old traditional rpg model ain't gonna get you a new audience.

And yeah, I agree on the anime shit.

It's interesting how many DQ threads I go to on NeoGAF and I find so many people who are now completely enthralled in the series, from starting with 8 or 4/5 DS.

I have a similar story. 8 was my first. Fell in love with the series and played almost all the games just a few years back.

Now I feel really old. My first Final Fantasy was the first one on the NES when I was a wee lad. My first DQ was Dragon Warrior on the NES when I was also a wee lad.

 

Yup, remember reading about Dragon Warrior in Nintendo Power (the issue with Mega Man 2 on the cover), then saw the game available to rent soon after, at the local mom-and-pop video store I used to rent all my NES games from. So I picked it up, didn't really understand much about it (I was 7 at the time), but eventually got the hang of it. Enjoyed the game but it wasn't my favorite... FF1 was like "WHOA" though, was sooooo hyped for that game and I got it for my 8th birthday. I'm so fickle with music but I still enjoy the same games I did as a kid.

I remember when my buddy got FF2 (FF4) for his SNES for Christmas the year it came out. We did nothing but hole up in his room and play the shit out of that game over break.

[magus]

2. Grow up so it interests more than people outside of the animu and/or tween circle. Many of the people who helped build Square's empire are now tired of their shit, grew up, and moved on and while they're still popular with teenagers, I really wonder HOW popular.

And yeah, I agree on the anime shit.

Sounds like you're in denial. The argument isn't that lol Japanese sux

himu just do like oscar and say it straight

There's nothing wrong with Japanese. I'm merely criticizing the obvious parallels between anime and jrpg fandom and I feel the anime influences are harming the potential quality for jrpgs.

I have not once argued that lol Japan sux.

I'm lol'ing at Bebpo's insistence that NO! FINAL FANTASY IS *NOT* INSPIRED BY ANIME. Which is making me chuckle like a school girl who just saw her first penis.

saying that japanese rpg quality is swindling because they use japanese troupe which can be found on japanese anime seems to me like an elaborate way of saying "JAPAN SUX" especialy since a good chunk of these troupe are older than time itself and sometimes can even be found on things like freakin star wars



IT'S THE OLD MAN THAT TEACH STUFF TO THE HERO! CLEARLY A PRODUCT OF ANIME!

[Himu]

things like the energetic hero and the weak damsel existed in freakin final fantasy 4 which is a 1991 game,i'm not sure anime even existed in 1991
do i need to pull of "The Grand List of Console Role Playing Game Cliches"?

Cecil is not energetic.

The damsel in distress cliche goes beyond rpgs and anime, you're right. I should have said, the overly masculine female lead who somehow ends up falling for the main character, and emptying her bent up rage by game's end. She is a bag of emotions, think Asuka from Evangelion. Although I haven't beaten it, or played beyond 4 hours, I can tell that Lightning is a textbook case tsundere.

[demi]

desu desu desu

[Himu]

2. Grow up so it interests more than people outside of the animu and/or tween circle. Many of the people who helped build Square's empire are now tired of their shit, grew up, and moved on and while they're still popular with teenagers, I really wonder HOW popular.

And yeah, I agree on the anime shit.

Sounds like you're in denial. The argument isn't that lol Japanese sux

himu just do like oscar and say it straight

There's nothing wrong with Japanese. I'm merely criticizing the obvious parallels between anime and jrpg fandom and I feel the anime influences are harming the potential quality for jrpgs.

I have not once argued that lol Japan sux.

I'm lol'ing at Bebpo's insistence that NO! FINAL FANTASY IS *NOT* INSPIRED BY ANIME. Which is making me chuckle like a school girl who just saw her first penis.

saying that japanese rpg quality is swindling because they use japanese troupe which can be found on japanese anime seems to me like an elaborate way of saying "JAPAN SUX" especialy since a good chunk of these troupe are older than time itself and sometimes can even be found on things like freakin star wars

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IT'S THE OLD MAN THAT TEACH STUFF TO THE HERO! CLEARLY A PRODUCT OF ANIME!

The argument isn't that because an old man is in your party, that it's an anime cliche. The argument is the whole package:

- The energetic lead (this can, sometimes be interchanged), often naive to a fault (Fei, Zidane, Tidus, Vaan)
- The cautious female lead, who ends up falling for the main character. She's strong, and thinks she can do anything, and is naive to a point. If you have a female lead, make her tsundere or not know what love means. (Elly, Celes, Tifa, Terra, Garnet, Rinoa, Yuna, Ashe)
- The old man (who often doesn't even appear to be that old) who gives the main character advice. Sometimes will be sarcastic to a fault. (too many to list)
- The preppy girl who always shouts words of advice, often the kid in the party. (Yuffie, Selphie, Rikku, arguably Vanille)
- The furry. Often talks. (Kimahri, Red XIII, Freya)
- The "cool" guy. Either he has a shady past or throws zingers. (Vincent, Irvine, Amarant, Balthier)
- The guy who is completely hopeless, has doubts, low self-esteem, something like that (Zell, Wakka, Hope, Freya can kind of fit this category).
- The kid. (too many to list)

Sometimes games take these tropes and flip them though. For example, in FF9, Steiner.

Also, the word is tropes. A troupe is a group. I'm sure some of them are cultural Japanese tropes (for example, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I SEEN A FEMALE CHARACTER CUT HER HAIR BECAUSE SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED?!?!) but I've seen these same tropes so many times in anime, it's not even funny. All I did here was list the character tropes, and I'm missing many. I didn't even bother listing storyline or plot tropes. It has gotten to the point where I am able to predict what happens in whatever anime I watch or j-rpg I play before I get the game.

Show me many jrpgs that don't have this party makeup. Or rather, show me many FF's, 7 and up.

I'm not saying every element of FF has been influenced by anime, but an overwhelming amount of the storytelling has obviously been inspired by anime and it is apparent the older I get. Many of these tropes and cliche pervade other jrpgs, but also anime.

There's nothing wrong with that. Until you see it every game.

Few games such as Suikoden (which uses anime inspirations but not to a tee), Final Fantasy Tactics, Vagrant Story, Tactics Ogre, and an assortment of SMT games tend to be exceptions. Those are Japanese, and they aren't insulting or complete generic either.

[Himu]

To finalize my argument:

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Now. Convince me why j-drama influences FF, aside from romance.

Being anime inspired isn't bad. I've watched some really great anime in my time. But I still have yet to play the Now and Then, Here and There j-jrpg equivalent, or something in that area. That's because while many anime writers are hacks, they still have to devote much of their time to storyline because that's all it is: story. So you'll occasionally have great writing/storytelling in an anime. Whereas jrpg writers obviously just pick and choose what their favorite anime cliche at the moment is and fuse that into the plot.

[Bebpo]

Why do you keep bringing up mechanical designs, summon animations, and attacks.  I thought you were talking about stories?  When Lightning uses the Odin summon and cherry blossoms fall everywhere...that's not anime.  When lightning does Odin's finisher where she slashes through an enemy and pauses and waits and the enemy goes URGHH and dies....that's not anime.  These things are part of what makes up Japan.  Just like the shy girl who can't tell her feelings, or the overly enthusiastic lead who doesn't think of the consequences of their actions.  Or hey, the comic relief who guess what?  Is part of Western media as well! 

Yes FF draws inspirations from anime.  Anime is PART OF JAPANESE CULTURE.  Any form of art will draw inspiration from the culture the person making it has grown up in.  This includes: movies, dramas, anime, manga, novels, plays, sports, school, work, etc...you are trying to assign all the stereotypes/archetypes/tropes of Japan solely to anime and then go "lol, anime" as a reason why jrpg writing sucks.  Wouldn't it be easier to just admit that what does it for Japan doesn't do it for you anymore?  Some people like that stuff and that's why it's still being used.  I dig cherry blossoms and 1 hit pause kills and I like comic relief characters if they're funny or cute girls.  If you don't like that kind of stuff stick to blood orcs and elf sex.  That stuff doesn't do much for me but I don't try to talk it down as "lol, D&D" I just don't play those games because they don't fit with my tastes.

[MCD]

If you don't like that kind of stuff stick to blood orcs and elf sex.  That stuff doesn't do much for me but I don't try to talk it down as "lol, D&D" I just don't play those games because they don't fit with my tastes.

says the berserk cigarillo.

[Bebpo]

There is, but I don't see FF being about harems or catgirls or lolis or glasses girls, etc...  Like say:

[magus]

dude himuro one part of your argument is that one of the ffix summon is a robot,that's really distinguished mentally-challenged no matter what,would it have been better if it was a godzillesque monster or would that have been to much japanese too and you would go around saying that rpg are inspired by japanese kaiju movie?

it also seems awfull easy to generalize character like you do in that list,freya is a giant rat so she is "ZE FURRY" the rest doesn't matter and here's the shocker

tropes are not bad
it doesn't matter freya is a giant rat,she works as a character,that's all it matters

if anything we should do the other way around and i should ask you to show me an anime that features the kid,the old guy,the furry,the preppy girl,the cautious female lead and the energetic hero (apparently according to my sources anime these days only feature little girls) ALL AT ONCE

here is another funny thing,i searched for haircut tropes and i got an article and what was the pic allegated with it?



CLEARLY ANOTHER PRODUCT INSIPIRED BY ANIME!

to me it sounds like you just need a more original jrpg! you want a more original jrpg? try this one
http://agtp.romhack.net/project.php?id=mmr
or better yet the ps2 sequel

and lighting is clearly a Lady of war so you fail!

Yes FF draws inspirations from anime.  Anime is PART OF JAPANESE CULTURE.  Any form of art will draw inspiration from the culture the person making it has grown up in.  This includes: movies, dramas, anime, manga, novels, plays, sports, school, work, etc...you are trying to assign all the stereotypes/archetypes/tropes of Japan solely to anime and then go "lol, anime" as a reason why jrpg writing sucks

pretty much

TROPE NOT TROUPE

natel

[MCD]

i agree with bebpo, i've watched many animu and ff13 still feels like...an ff game?

[magus]

oh i forgot to add,i just got to the ultra grindtastic statue that give you 8 JP with a single lv 5 doom cast,i'm thinking of grinding at least long enough to get double wielding for butz and galuf so i can finaly quit the ninja class,maybe it's a good time to get rapid fire too... tough i guess it's not like i can combine the two unless i go bare...
should i?

[Nintendosbooger]

I don't think it has anything to do with anime, the Japanese culture, or Japan, to be honest.

The traditional jRPG story and character template borrow heavily from post-Tolkien fantasy literature, including the overzealous village-boy-turned-hero, the strong willed damsel, the mysterious rebel, and the overshadowing dark lord. It's not so much that some gamers hate the Japanese elements in these formulaic games but the fact that a majority of jRPGs have been reluctant to overhaul itself from an antiquated fantasy storytelling blueprint that is no longer utilized as much now in fantasy as it once did in the era of Tolkien, Robert E. Howard, C.S. Lewis, and Lloyd Alexander. In short, I don't believe some gamers hate jRPGs because of the anime elements; I just think they're tired of the extremely outdated scheme of fantasy storytelling and character development.

[OptimoPeach]

Confession time: I haven't played any of the DQ's aside from Dragon Warrior. Maybe I should spend a month or two on the series

[demi]

^ I'd definitely suggest to start straight at DQ3 SNES (translation). Skip 7 and go to 8. You're good to go, really.

[OptimoPeach]

I forgot that I actually downloaded the DS port for IV when it leaked but kinda lost interest. Seemed a tad generic, and those absurd accents were a turnoff. Maybe I'll warm up to it after a few of the others, though.

[magus]

i don't like 3,enemies come in huge groups and fights take forever and are frequent and really it's just like any other rpg you can find anywhere else on the nes/snes
i would give the DS remake of 4 another chance or if you don't want,give a spin to 5

anyway i grinded the statues a little and then got bored so decided to went on with the game tough i guess i really needed it since i was badly hurting for money

[Himu]

Why do you keep bringing up mechanical designs, summon animations, and attacks.  I thought you were talking about stories?  When Lightning uses the Odin summon and cherry blossoms fall everywhere...that's not anime.  When lightning does Odin's finisher where she slashes through an enemy and pauses and waits and the enemy goes URGHH and dies....that's not anime.  These things are part of what makes up Japan.  Just like the shy girl who can't tell her feelings, or the overly enthusiastic lead who doesn't think of the consequences of their actions.  Or hey, the comic relief who guess what?  Is part of Western media as well! 

Yes FF draws inspirations from anime.  Anime is PART OF JAPANESE CULTURE.  Any form of art will draw inspiration from the culture the person making it has grown up in.  This includes: movies, dramas, anime, manga, novels, plays, sports, school, work, etc...you are trying to assign all the stereotypes/archetypes/tropes of Japan solely to anime and then go "lol, anime" as a reason why jrpg writing sucks.  Wouldn't it be easier to just admit that what does it for Japan doesn't do it for you anymore?  Some people like that stuff and that's why it's still being used.  I dig cherry blossoms and 1 hit pause kills and I like comic relief characters if they're funny or cute girls.  If you don't like that kind of stuff stick to blood orcs and elf sex.  That stuff doesn't do much for me but I don't try to talk it down as "lol, D&D" I just don't play those games because they don't fit with my tastes.

Saying that Japan doesn't do it for me anymore would be a total lie, though. It has nothing to do blood and orcs. I don't think the majority of western rpgs have great writing either. But at least they aren't insulting or annoying as a grown adult.

Also, an overwhelming amount of my favorite Japanese properties are full of blood and death and have dark stories. So I don't get this "blood and orcs" thing.

[tiesto]

There is, but I don't see FF being about harems or catgirls or lolis or glasses girls, etc...  Like say:

Heh heh, is liking girls who wear glasses a fetish now or something? I guess I am a hardcore fetishist then, lots of my g/fs wear them

[magus]

There is, but I don't see FF being about harems or catgirls or lolis or glasses girls, etc...  Like say:

Heh heh, is liking girls who wear glasses a fetish now or something? I guess I am a hardcore fetishist then, lots of my g/fs wear them

actualy yea,it's called a meganeko (or maybe its nekko with two k)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=meganeko
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Meganekko

[tiesto]

Confession time: I haven't played any of the DQ's aside from Dragon Warrior. Maybe I should spend a month or two on the series

It's a fun series.  DQ1 is nothing but a pure grind but it's at least short.  DQ2 I can't even enjoy playing anymore.   DQ3 is where the series turns on the gas and you should definitely take demi's advice and play the translated SFC version.  DQ4 is awesome, play the DS version over the NES version though, because otherwise you are at the mercy of some interesting party AI.  DQ5 is one of the best in the series.  If you're playing it now, you should probably go with the DS version, but there's an English patch coming for the PS2 version, which is really the one to play.

DQ6 I can't say much about for another couple of weeks, as I'm yet to play it.  DQ7 is really damn long and it's a lot of fun but it is no fooling about a hundred hours to finish if you go at a fairly quick pace.  DQ8 is one of my least favourites, but it's definitely the most technically impressive of the series.  Great English voice acting, and the game is just beautiful to look at and explore the world in, but because of all that, the game has a bit of loading issues and overall feels pretty slow.  DQ9 is wicked but it isn't in English yet.

Yeah, I will echo a lot of Oscar's thoughts here... DQ1 is fun in a super-primitive way. It's very quick-paced, grind-heavy, but it's one of the most "pick up and play" RPGs ever. And it's pretty damn nonlinear, all things considering. DQ2 is by far my least favorite of the series, it's the most grind-heavy, and unless you have a guide, you're frequently confused as to where to go next. I spent hours looking for the boots to fly me over the dual towers, because I missed a small patch of shoreline I could travel to that would take me to the tower where they are stored in. The Cave to Rhone is one of the most frustratingly-designed RPG dungeons ever.

3 is considered Japan's favorite game in the series, I believe. It really plays like an oldskool western style RPG polished and balanced superbly - it's got awesome nonlinear elements, an FF style class system, the first introduction of the immigrant town, some neat-o dungeons, and an awesome endgame that gives nods to the series history.

I absolutely love 4, but I wasn't crazy at all about the accent-heavy translation on the DS version. 5 is the best in the series, bar none. Best storytelling, although it's a bit on the easy side. You play as a person from kid to adult, and you have a family during the course of the game, it really feels epic, though things seem a bit rushed towards the end. It's also not terribly long, at least compared to 3 and 4. Plus, the monster recruitment system is fun.

I haven't really played much of 6, I own the SFC cart, but it has lovely graphics and some of my fave music in the series. Also, it's very challenging, but that might just be b/c I played it in Japanese with not very much knowledge of the language. Plus, the storyline is very cool with its "parallel worlds" thing. 7 I am playing through now. It's certainly a great game if you can overlook the awful graphics, but the pacing is slower than molasses. It's also the most story-heavy, with lots of dialogue. The "mini-stories" in the game are probably the best in the series, and you can see how your actions to save each village affect every townsperson, and their relatives in the future. It's worth playing if you want to give up like 100 hours of your life to one game.

8 is the most production-value heavy game in the series, obviously. The storyline wasn't as interesting as 5-7s, but the overworld is second to none, and it has awesome voice acting.

Can't wait to play 9 when it comes to 'murkah. Overall, I would play them all except 2, and maybe 1, depending on how much you like primitive but addicting games.

Play:
1 and 2 - SFC + translation patch
3 - SFC + translation patch (I played on GBC right before the patch came out, and that's not too bad either)
4 - DS if you don't mind an overdone translation; NES if you don't mind crazy AI controlling your party
5 - DS
6 - I'd imagine DS when it comes to the US

[Himu]

dude himuro one part of your argument is that one of the ffix summon is a robot,that's really distinguished mentally-challenged no matter what,would it have been better if it was a godzillesque monster or would that have been to much japanese too and you would go around saying that rpg are inspired by japanese kaiju movie?

Because it's clearly an anime influence and here you and Bebpo are trying to argue that these games are not inspired by anime.

it also seems awfull easy to generalize character like you do in that list,freya is a giant rat so she is "ZE FURRY" the rest doesn't matter and here's the shocker

tropes are not bad
it doesn't matter freya is a giant rat,she works as a character,that's all it matters

It's not a generalization. It's a fact and a common cliche within jrpgs and anime.

She doesn't though. She's underdeveloped and is left to rot after her stint in disc 2.

here is another funny thing,i searched for haircut tropes and i got an article and what was the pic allegated with it?

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CLEARLY ANOTHER PRODUCT INSIPIRED BY ANIME!

You're grasping.

to me it sounds like you just need a more original jrpg! you want a more original jrpg? try this one
http://agtp.romhack.net/project.php?id=mmr
or better yet the ps2 sequel

A more original jrpg that actually has good writing ala SMT games would really go a long way for me, but we're talking about FF.

and lighting is clearly a Lady of war so you fail!

She's the type of character who is hardened and stoic at first, but eventually softens up, falls in love, and wants babies by the game's end. I am 100% sure this will happen.

[Himu]

if anything we should do the other way around and i should ask you to show me an anime that features the kid,the old guy,the furry,the preppy girl,the cautious female lead and the energetic hero (apparently according to my sources anime these days only feature little girls) ALL AT ONCE

Are you fuckin kidding me? Aight. This is easy.

Although it's inspired by Journey to the West, the personalities of the characters are completely different aside from Son Goku and Sun Wukong.

Dragon Ball

Energetic hero/the kid - Goku



The naive tomboy/kinda tsundere in that she's bi-polar - Bulma



The cool guy - Yamcha



The furry/talking animal - Oolong



The old man:



Now, I repeat. I heart (some) anime and I heart Dragon Ball. So these cliches and tropes aren't bad. But when you see this in almost every jrpg, it gets more than a little old.

And once again, I not yet ONCE touched on plot and story telling. Saving the world extends past anime, but that gets more than a little old as well.

Ya know whut? I'm gonna keep going with this. I'll keep posting more as I remember which ones fit the criteria. Once you've seen as much anime as I have, it becomes hard to remember WHAT HAD WHAT.

[Himu]

There is, but I don't see FF being about harems or catgirls or lolis or glasses girls, etc...  Like say:

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Loli - Eiko



Glasses girl - Jihl



Big titties childhood friend - Tifa

[Himu]

And despite all of this, jrpgs lack the storytelling diversity of anime, especially in regards to setting. wrpgs fail with the same thing.

modern settings
modern haircuts
modern fashion

fantasy
sci-fi

Where's my jrpg equivalent of Cowboy Bebop?



LOL

Even Cowboy Bebop fits the criteria. ENERGETIC LEAD, TOMBOY GIRL, OLD MAN WHO'S NOT REALLY ALL THAT OLD, LITTLE PREPPY KID, AND A DOG

Where's my Now and Then, Here and There jrpg equivalent?



Where's my Rurouni Kenshin: Trust and Betrayal equivalent?



This is why I lol when people propose games as art. Storytelling just isn't a priority (and in many cases shouldn't be). Games aren't even as varied as anime. Let that sink in: ANIME.

[Himu]

I would love DQ3 re-done on the DS. That's the penultimate NES RPG.

Oh well, the GBC one is pretty great.

So would I. Sux.

6 stands as the only DQ I haven't played aside from the unreleased 9.

I haven't beaten 3 or 7. 7 is too long and gets boring. 3, I just haven't beaten it yet.

[magus]

You're grasping.

i'm grasping because i find example that aren't set in anime stone?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FiveManBand
mmm this sounds like what you describe
ehy look! there are example for comic books and film
clearly everything is inspired by animes

dude i do agree that jrpg could use more variety but you are being distinguished mentally-challenged about it by using example such as "one of the character of a game i have even't played has glasses" and "one of the attack you use in final fantasy 9 is a giant robot" and "final fantasy 9 has a little girl who looks like a troll so IT'S CLEARLY THERE BECAUSE ANIME HAS LOLI"

reading what you are writing they should do a rpg featuring only tally muscle builder that way they don't have to touch any sort of trope

and really just to see how much force pushing you are doing,oolong barely matters in the plot after the first plot and they put in there because guess what? in the journey of the west plot there is a shape shifting pig! yamcha is the cool guy? really?

 

[Himu]

dude i do agree that jrpg could use more variety but you are being distinguished mentally-challenged about it by using example such as "one of the character of a game i have even't played has glasses" and "one of the attack you use in final fantasy 9 is a giant robot" and "final fantasy 9 has a little girl who looks like a troll so IT'S CLEARLY THERE BECAUSE ANIME HAS LOLI"

 

I'm trolling.

[magus]

dude i do agree that jrpg could use more variety but you are being distinguished mentally-challenged about it by using example such as "one of the character of a game i have even't played has glasses" and "one of the attack you use in final fantasy 9 is a giant robot" and "final fantasy 9 has a little girl who looks like a troll so IT'S CLEARLY THERE BECAUSE ANIME HAS LOLI"

 

I'm trolling.

 

[tiesto]

Holy shit, looking at the AGTP website, no idea that Mystic Ark was out. Anybody play it yet?

[magus]

Holy shit, looking at the AGTP website, no idea that Mystic Ark was out. Anybody play it yet?

i played it for a bit,basicaly you start on an empty island with random items on it and to each item is related a world,the first world is about two faction of pirate cats facing each other and the second is about

spoiler (click to show/hide)

people living inside giant vegetables and fruit

[close]

so basicaly it's dragon quest 7 plot without all the shard search
after clearing the first world you get 5 figurines and each figurine represent a party member which you can transform out of his figurine form by infusing him with a soul

i stopped playing after a while,it wasn't bad but it just didn't click with me

[magus]

well i'm off to fight gilgamesh for the second time but i'm not sure i want to continue,i feel like i've played long enough to realize if i was wrong or right about final fantasy v and i don't feel like continuing

[tiesto]

Holy shit, looking at the AGTP website, no idea that Mystic Ark was out. Anybody play it yet?

i played it for a bit,basicaly you start on an empty island with random items on it and to each item is related a world,the first world is about two faction of pirate cats facing each other and the second is about

spoiler (click to show/hide)

people living inside giant vegetables and fruit

[close]

so basicaly it's dragon quest 7 plot without all the shard search
after clearing the first world you get 5 figurines and each figurine represent a party member which you can transform out of his figurine form by infusing him with a soul

i stopped playing after a while,it wasn't bad but it just didn't click with me

Hmm, sounds like it could be pretty interesting. Color palette is pretty muted for a SFC RPG, I may have to give it a play.